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$1500, to $1800 per trip. melissa: they say it's good for the regular folks too, we don't want to be slowed down while they are taking pictures of beyonce. "risk & reward" right now. deirdre: belgium is charging one unnamed suspect in connection with the paris attacks as brussels stays on lockdown, this is "risk & reward," i am deirdre bolton in the global fight against terrorism, bul bull -- belgium prosecutors hole three people custody after raid. salah abdeslam is still at large, ashley webster is with me on the latest in paris. what is the latest on what police have found in the overnight raids? >> reporter: it has been interesting, 4 people arrested in belgium, connected, we don't know how to attacks in
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paris. they did not discover any weapons or salah abdeslam, he is the main suspect, probably the most wanted map man in europe now, investigators did discover, an explosive vest that was dumped in a trash can south of the city center in a community called mont rouge . we told it contained the same bolts as those used in the stadium the stade de france that was attacked. the theory, is that perhaps, salah abdeslam decided not to
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go ahead with a target he had been assigned. he ended up driving through paris, through down to mont mont rouge, where he dumped his belt into trash can be called his friends in belgium who came, picked him up took him back to brussels. there is a lot of nightclubs up there it would have been a nice soft target for the terrorists, but, at least the theory goes, he decided not to go through with it bottom line they cannot find him. they believe he could be in germany. but, they really at this hour have no clue. deirdre: ashley webster thank you so much joining us live from paris, france and belgium in emergency mode, civil
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liberties have been suspended for three months. police can go into any home, at any time for any reason until the end of february. belgium police ceased chemicals from an apartment outside of brussels. in paris, police increased security at key site water sites retire up teligent officer, intelligence officer with ni now, a french government official said, no need to fool ourselves, what we have in front of us is a failure, he is referencing the inability to link the terrorists who attacked paris. do you think a nonhackable info sharing system should be top priority. >> it has to be, right here had united states too, we have get into the systems and break
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them down, but out there in commercial sector those company that have a tight well done encryption systems or are not prepared how to get into the systems, we have a battle here until they open up. deirdre: they seem to be able to connection the woulder terrorists, speak of when fbi, released a video from moldova where criminals were trying to sell nuclear material to terrorists, how much dangerous nuclear or chemical material do you think is available, that is use inin the underground market? >> the nuclear side, radioactive material has limited use unless it is with bomb.
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it is pretty difficult to move large quantities of that without being caught or putting the person who is caring it at -- carrying it at huge risk. we already know that isis has mustard gas, we believe they also have chlorine gas, we also know that there is a university in mosul and in raqqa that were upscale universities, a lot of smart chemists, and biologists there. there is always an opportunity for isis to get their hands on thing they don't have or may have and use it in europe or u.s. >> speaking of europe and u.s., comparing them, france has '260 million citizens, the country declared war on isis, some of critical of u.s. wondering why the u.s. with 320 million citizens has not spoke confident stronger terms.
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>> they are a bunch of killers with good social media. and they are dangerous. they have caused great hardship to people. deirdre: in your view, does this downplay the threat or is the president trying to manage the situation, that is to say not flow fi the barbarians? >> i think he downplays the threat, i don't think he personaly or those around him have taken the threat seriously, i believe that we have a lot of people in pentagon that have taken it seriously, but until the u.s. is struck as hard add paris was struck i don't believe we'll see a lot of action. deirdre: we had 9/11. >> that is true, under a different administration. you know between then and now things are quiet, people are complacent, our law enforcement and intelligence personnel are working as hard
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as ever but i think from the white house itself there is still a sense it is not as serious as it seems, on this side, but i dare say it will get there. deirdre: having been in paris, i can attest to fact it very much touched soul of the people living in that city, in some cases friends and family. western leaders,a agreeing, to tend sanctions against russia. by 6 more months, how do you see this strag strategically since in some ways love him or hate him, putin is seen in the world as one person who can gettis ican get isis under control. >> you just said it love him or hate him, putin is showing himself much more a leader, against isis than we have at-this-point. we have to pat him on the back
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prop him up a little bit, forge relationships with him, particularly when we see our military forces and his military forcing operating in the same area. we have to forge relationships we would never under other circumstances consider forming. in syria, he has different alterior motives than we do. a lot of conflict. at the same time a lot of necessity to find ways to work together to defeat the common enemy. deirdre: when i was in paris last week, speaking with very old-timers, they said nobody liked stall ineither, but -- stalin either but he was the one person who helped to check hitler. staying on russia, in some ways blaming u.s. for creating
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isis, strengthening of isis became possible partialo tru due to irresponsible policies of u.s., instead of concentrates joint effort on fighting terrorismthey decided to fight against the a lawfully elected president of bashar al-asad. have you just referenced that we have the opposing view. but what the u.s. invasion of iraq in 2003 to blame? i heard people say it was like taking the garbage can lid off of the trash can when saddam hussein was taken out of his position. >> you know, unfortunately from my perspective, sad an -- saddam kept iran in check, now iran turns out to be strongest nation in middle east. we had an opportunity the united states with this administration, an opportunity to identify isis for the
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problem it was, the president and chain of command was getting warnings into the intelligence committee, in effect we can nothing until isis popped up, two years ago, right now almost, they were nothing then day own a good large portion of territory over there there is a credible argument that u.s. failed totally in frying to thwart isis, we could go back and debate a little bit if we're responsible for assad regime, for syria falling apart. we may bear some responsibility, remember that red line, chemical weapons, president saying that we'll do something about it, he did use them, and continues to use them, nothing has been done. most people in world looking ought us say we're weak. deirdre: including syrians from what i understand are disappointed. after the red line was crossed we did nothing. as far as potential attack in
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u.s., homeland security secretary jay johnson said there is no credible threat. >> we have no specific credible intelligence about a threat of the pairs-type directed at the homeland. deirdre: mike disagrees. >> there is a sing layerty here -- similarity here that a bit frightening to me, have you a group that says they want to attack us, just as bin laden said, have you them building that capability, just as bin laden built it. deirdre: colonel in your view, with your military experience, where are we? one person saying no credible threats, someone elyseing that is not what he sees. >> i agree with the secretary we should continue to go about life the way we always do. having said that, i think
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former cia director is just a little bit different, it may look a likely did pre9/11 day with respect to threats, that isal quieza versus isis. but our law enforcement and our intelligence professionals over last 15 years have done an unbelievable job in putting programs and systems together, we may have threats, you know in new york you have done a great job up there thwarting. >> we'll take that silver lining thank you, for the time retired lieutenant colonel cowen. >> thank you. >> donald trump is surging in the polls accords to the latest fox numbers now at 28%, he is full of extreme ideas, including create a muss lip database. deirdre: new hillary clinton
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>> there should be a lot of systems beyond database, today you can do it. i would imimplement that. >> donald trump clarifying his comments. trump also say he heard something up usual on 9/11.
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>> i watched when the world trade center came tumbling down, i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering, as that building was coming down. thousands of people cheering. so something is going on. we got to find out what it is. i do want surveillance. i will absolutely take database on the people coming in from syria, if we can't stop it. but we're going to. >> republican strategist mcconnell with me, and rich fowler, ford, first and foremost donald trump receiving a lot of push back, including from police in new jersey saying there were no such cheers, why would he say this. >> you want to know what he -- it doesn't matter he says, it spliit -- grounded in fact,
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91% of republicans do not think that president obama is being aggressive enough with isis, given we 83% of americans think it is likely we'll have a terrorist act act on u.s. soil. this is great news for donald trump. he is choking the emotional cord of fear among republicans. deirdre: why would donald trump say, president obama is not being strong enough, if i were president, i would be different here is how. versus creating the event. >> that is what a person with common sense said, here is problem, barack obama is not on ballot, this type of rhetoric promotes fever, and what we may need not to do. we should live our constitution, be free, go
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about, treat freedom of expression, donald trump is stoking fears. >> rich, let me say one thing about trump's brash rhetoric, it can be interpreted by membership different wins of the -- winging of the republican party in so many ways. let me tell you how this is translated trump is saying, technology and terror tactics have changed, we have to rethink how we fight the war on terror, i'm going to change it since barack obama has not. >> no policy. deirdre: ford, to me, to a future citizen and voter, a lot more sense. i want to just play for you right now his comments on surveillance. >> i want survey lent of certain mosques, okay.
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if that is okay. i want survey lens. you know what we had is before, we'll have it again. deirdre: ford want is this comment mean to you after 9/11, president bush went to a mosque and stood there and spoke to people, spoke to the community, is that what is needed now? or more donald trump? >> remember, donald trump is still trying to win the republican presidential nomination. sometimes it sort of rhetoric, saying i'm not discounting doing anything to keep america safe is what resonated. if you become a general elect nominee you have to take an approach more like george w. bush go out in muslim communities and make sure that everyone know we're on the same page. >> that is part of the problem, the fact that you have one position when you run in republican primary then shake it up, act like that
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never happened then a new position, which candidate is he going to be. donald trump justifies is japanese internment camps this is un-american. deirdre: all right, speaking of beliefs, he is releasing a new instagram add that attacks hillary clinton here it is [ laughter ] including fbi -- [ laughter ] i don't know why that's funny. deirdre: is the big take away that trump is working with serious campaigners. on instagram, and reaching a younger population? >> absolutely, this is a smart play for donald trump, he knows if he is republican nominee and this election
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comes down to the war on terror and isis. i am going to be watering the grapes atlanta white house at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> in republicans' donald trump, you can can him. >> all right ford oconnel, rich fowler. love different perspectives, rich fowler joining me there ford oconnel. after this.
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. deirdre: we do have some breaking news for you. the u.s. state department alerting u.s. citizens to possible risks of travel due to increased terrorists threats. so current information is
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suggesting that a group of terrorists if you like the whole isis al-qaeda, other groups continue to plan terrorists attacks in multiple regions. so that is just to be on your personal radar screen if you are making travel plans. in the meantime, american islamic president with me now, the forum for democracy extremely with me now. zudi, great to have you with me. a french muslim, social media post is going viral. we're going to show it in a minute, but he is calling on his peers to stand up against extremists, and i'll quote him here. he is i am addressing all of the french muslims, let's protect our beautiful religion, let's go and track these imposters who pretend to be muslims who kill people. it is not the authorities who are going to get rid of them. it is us. so, zudi, first and foremost, what do you think about this
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cry for lack of a better term to a peer group? >> that's what you have to love about social media. amen. i watch that, i was cheering, i was in applause saying this is -- these are the muslims that i know that i love that are part of our community that love france, that love america, that realize that we have a problem that want to take ownership that want to take responsibility for what's happening and, you know, for any of those who are sloppy nativists, this is the response. they see muslims like this and they'll say wait a minute. muslims are not part of the solution, they'll leave the solution. that's why these messages have to get out and he's not the only one. i also remind you, diedre, it's not coming from leaders, it's going to come from young muslims on the ground in the grassroots because we're being -- deirdre: well, zuhdi, i believe you because that's how the extremists are recruiting a lot of people in france tell me it is through social media and just looking at the numbers, there's about 1,150
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citizens in france who are committed to the extremists or sympathetic to extremists but there are 8 million muslims in france. and when i was there in paris last week talking to people, you had average citizens just telling me as you just said the extremists are that long god still a minority. but what is the best way to lead a cultural and social media incentive? >> diedre, we need to stop looking just at the violence and the end point, which is right before they're going to kill somebody. he said in the video we need to slidden indicate our republican. do they want to die for the islamic state or do they want to die for french liberty for their nationalism, for their french flag? that's the battle. and until we american muslims, western muslims start holding the flags of our country and saying our constitution is ours, we reject any and all islamic states, and we are going to declare that the isis muslims are our enemies. there's another video that
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went viral from a scholar in london who now actually is getting death threats because of the isis young folk. he said the british muslims are now sending me death threats because i declared war on isis. i declared that i'm a french, i'm a british citizen first. this is the battle. we need to support muslims like us that have been doing this for years because we can't do this alone. we need protection. deirdre: zuhdi, great to have you here. >> thank you. deirdre: in a new report, the treasury inspector general for tax administration saying the irs should spend less time auditing the rich and more time focusing on the super rich. which could earn the agency about $4,000 -- $4,500 an hour. we want to underline that rate. radio host tea party advocate to david web is with me now. david, great to see you. i want to ask you a cynical question even though i love when you're here.
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what about the super rich just being more capable of hiding their money where else? >> well, that's a part of it. everybody uses it left or right. but this isn't really about the super rich. and i don't want any bureaucracy weaponized against the american people. this is about compliance. there are more people making less than $200,000, which the areas there are more audits, going after the more per hour. but if you tax the rich, you get enough to make what they would take. this is an inspector's general report that makes no sense and in the end, this makes the argument for a flat tax. you want fairness, you want people really painted, look at the fair tax, the flat tax, look at the consumption-based system. deirdre: although, unfortunately, i have to agree with you, unfortunately, the flat tax is probably politically unfeasible. is there any one candidate that you see whether it's jeb bush, the three levels, are there any candidates that you feel okay. even if the flat tax is what's desirable, probably not going to happen. here's the next best are things.
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>> see, it's not up to one candidate. it's up to the cowards in congress and that's what most of them are on both sides the tax code has been polluted on both sides by republicans and democrats. and it's been polluted by lobbyists. it is going to take a president that's a leader. it's going to take working with a congress or more compliant congress to begin. it's not going to happen overnight. start cleaning up the tax code and for everyone watching. if you were upset about the target tea party groups and then okay with them targeting the super rich or any other form, when is your turn? because then we have a literally a weaponized bureaucracy and that is not the role of the federal government or any of its bureaucracies. deirdre: well, said. david web joining me there. another company is doing the old irish exit. my next guest is saying a mass could soon happen if we don't fix the corporate tax code. >> a mass exodos so ask
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yourself why should a company pay taxes over here when they can get other countries?
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>> many companies are leaving the united states, they're leaving our shores to go and collect their money. they're going dash actually moving out of the united states for two reasons. the taxes are too high, and because they have tremendous amounts of money that they can't bring back into this country. deirdre: pfizer is moving its
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headquarters by merging with irish-based allergen, it is the biggest pharmaceutical deal in history. the take over allows pfizer to escape the u.s.' high corporate tax rate, markets panel with me now. bull and mark and bear max, so is this creative or should the u.s. be sincerely, mark, examining its tax codes? >> well, i think both, diedre. the fact of the matter i think it's a good deal for both pfizer and allergen, i think the synergy is going to for both companies, but that they're losing the tax headquarters for the other company and moving its effective tax rate from right now paying a 25% tax approximately in thetous basically because of the combine companies effective tax rate dropping to 17 or 18%
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saving billion dollars along the way and in the meantime that money is not going to the u.s. so this is one of many that's already occurred and likely more to follow. deirdre: more to follow. jonas, to what extent will this hurt if at all our industries here on u.s. soil? >> well, it hurts our revenue. these companies -- pfizer's an american story, started in 1850 in brooklyn and now ireland is going to get to tax them and sure, there are some reasons for this marriage some in the wall street journal that are not tax dodging reasons, you've got viagra and botox in the same company but the reason you have ireland that's steeping our ip, our intellectual property, whether it's google or adobe, that's our number one industry and say we're going to book that licensing through this 12.5 tax rate dodging company that's basically steeling revenues from other company whether it be in europe or here. you can be mad about it all day but we have to go to
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essentially a no corporate tax system, because if we had a 5%, ireland would go to 2.5% and steal our revenue. so we have a sales tax system or flat tax that we mandated across all of these countries that would charge the same thing and you can't cheat or you get penalized with tariffs or something like that. deirdre: retail is in focus ahead of black friday. if you look at three of the big winners, looking at stocks right now, amazon, home depot, lowe's, all trading at lifetime highs. i want to know what you both think. mark, i'm going to start with you with retailers not waiting for cyber monday. we just learned earlier that there's a few who are starting on sunday. walmart in particular instead of offering 500 items door buster or -- i don't know internet buster, 2,000. should we be worried about the u.s. consumer market? >> absolutely not. we're very bullish on the consumer, so the three stocks you mentioned are all benefiting from being in
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industries as it relates to retailing, e-commerce continues to grow, even a stock like nordstrom, for instance, which has its share price locked off by 20% after it announced and earnings missed estimates now seeing e-commerce 20% of all sales. so i suspect amazon will report good reports as well. and housing stocks, home depot and lowe's once again benefiting from the consumers. so the consumer strength is the one thing that's the backbone of the u.s. economy. . deirdre: all right, mark, thank you. jonas, thank you. glad to have you here. we do want to repeat this breaking news. the state department alerting u.s. citizens to possible risks of travel due to increased terrorist threats. if you are traveling for thanksgiving, we will update you, give you more details as we have them from this notice from the u.s. state department. we're back in just a minute can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future.
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deirdre: many of you are getting ready to travel. but we do want to let you know the state department alerting u.s. citizens to possible risks of travel due to increased terrorist threats. so current information is suggesting that isis, al-qaeda, other terrorist groups continue to plan terrorist attacks in multiple regions of the world. earlier we did hear from the department of homeland security saying we should not worry domestically. >> we have no specific credible intelligence about a threat of the paris-type directed at the homeland here . deirdre: with me now, our political panel is back. republican strategist ford o'connell, democratic strategist rich fouler. so welcome back to you both. i'm glad you're still there. i'm just going through the statement from the u.s. state department, they do not specifically mention certain countries, but just putting this alert out there makes
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everybody anxious. but, ford, you heard as well from the homeland security they're saying don't worry too much. what is your take as a citizen? >> well, i'm always worried and it's not a political situation. look, i understand the government has a tight balance to walk between keeping people alert and also making sure that people don't go absolutely crazy, and we have a run over, but i do think on sunday before thanksgiving when we have folks in the homeland security coming out there saying no credible threat, i don't think that's very smart. remember, all it takes is one airplane to blow up, one building to go down and guess what? severing going to be a me lay in the u.s. >> we always have something to worry. we're dealing with an enemy that knows no borders. we go international but domestically, here's the most important, throughout the country working day and night to get the best intelligence and they keep the american
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people safe. the best thing we can do as americans is not live in fear, let's go out there, let's go to churches, parades -- >> but i think you have to be pragmatic here, richard. >> that is being pragmatic. if we sit there and hide under our mattress, and let the terrorists come, they're winning. >> their tactics are changing, their technology is changing. >> i agree. >> but that doesn't mean you don't go outside. but i agree with you. deirdre: i want to ask you about something else. ahmed muhammad the teen who was arrested for bringing this clock, our viewers are looking at a photo of it to school after he said he was going to bring a clock to school, he was obviously asked to leave school, and he is now suing for $15 million in damages from that event in september. attorneys claiming that the school district and the police
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department basically violated the child's rights, which led to a chain of events that forced the family to move out of the country. ford, what is your take on this event? that is to say his truthfully school and now the lawsuit? >> i want to be very careful here. i think we live in a very litigious is the society, i think there's a lot of open questions and the fact they've taken up residents in cutter, i think there's a lot of questions here. but, again, we live in a litigious society. but i will say on the totality of the circumstances if the burden come down to the school district, they might have to fork over some money. deirdre: as we understand it to be that this teenager said i'm coming tomorrow with this clock and identified it as a clock, what do you make of the lawsuit? >> i have said this over and over again. i think what ahmed shows us is that that's what american
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deirdre: replicating the human sense of touch is what these new robots can do. the company that builds them, founder and ceo dr. jarrold lobe with me now. dr. lobe, thank you so much for the time. what made you want to create these robots that would have have the human-like sense of touch? >> so if you've ever had your hands numb from the cold on a winter's day, you'll know that your hands are pretty much useless without a sense of touch. and right now robots and industry and prosthetic hands and used by patients have no sense of touch. so, no, matter how good you make the motors and the joints, they're really not going to be anymore useful than your hand on a cold day. deirdre: so we're watching incredible video. you already know your roberts can do this but our viewers, myself just learning, we're seeing the robot hands picking up eggs and styrofoam now, you received grant money from the u.s. department of defense.
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what application are you most excited about? >> so actually this is an entirely new technology with many different application and in addition to putting it on a wide range of robots and prosthetic hands, it turns out having an objective way to know how materials feel is really important to the consumer products industry and that's an exciting new area that we've been working in for a couple of years that have a lot of interest from fortune 500 companies that make products based on how they feel. deirdre: so what was the biggest challenge to creating what i understand are these sensors that pick up architecture, that pick up temperature, that pick up force, vibration, how did you do it? >> so it took us a while to realize that what matters about the finger is not so much what you sense but the mechanical properties of the finger. it's -- you're having to collide with objects with your finger and so if you're going to feel something the same way a human, you have to have the same mechanical properties, soft, elastic skin over a
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squishy material underneath like your finger. things like fingerprints and finger natures have an affect on the interactions and the objects and therefore what you sense with the sensors we built into our fingers. deirdre: so, dr. lobe, i feel like for veterans prosthetics, these would be miracle pieces. >> so we've had a lot of improvement in function with some very simple forms of tactile sensing. it turns out more important than consciously feeling what you touch are all those reflexes that you rely on. so when you touch something and start to grab it, your spinal cords know that you've made contact and adjusts the contact force automatically. prosthetic hands don't do that now and we're working with one of the major manufacturers of prosthetic hands to add that kind of tactile sensing so it will stop on the object just as your hand will. deirdre: fascinating.
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glad you're leer, founder ceo, dr. jarrold lobe. and new strange inheritance tonight, colby is going to be stopping by in a few minutes to give you a preview. >> is there true there's a 40-pound bag of emeralds down there? >> actually it's 70 pounds of emeralds. >> should i tell you green is my favorite color? >> green emeralds popped right out at me. i couldn't believe it they come into this iworld ugly and messy. ideas are frightening because they threaten what is known. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are.
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>> but under the proper care, they become something beautiful.
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>> they not only inherited the fortune but the rights to anything else from the wreck site. >> how much is left. >> $250 million worth of ros treasure. deirdre: there are two brand-new episodes of fox business hit "strange
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inheritance" with me now host, jamie colby. you were on the road, you found these amazing stories, you met these amazing families, i know one interview, you did you found a screen inherited from a chinese emperor. >> true, a reals which em-- chinese emperor ordered this screen, 10 years later, two schoolteachers adopted a boy from tanzania. his father was a attorney, a country lawyer who got paid by this welcome with a screen. now their son, is going to get to go to college, but uncovering the letters,
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figures out what the story is, led to us an emperor named chin lon . it is very famous, one of the most prominent in culture. treasure off key west we found is real treasure, it is unbelievable what they found, coins, necklaces, here they are doing some diving, they took us out on a boat. deirdre: how do they know that the ship had crashed there? >> in history had documented it. this men, mel fisher, like jacques cousteau of treasure hunting he owned a dive shop, he ib venne -- invented dive equipment to allow people, for 12 years every day he told his family today is the day, then
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one day it was. deirdre: i cannot wait to see the rest, 9 p.m. eastern time, do not miss it, you will hear about those stories and more from charles payne, he is numbers me in 2 seconds. >> breaking news, belgium remains on lockdown as the man arrested in belgium raid has been charged in connection with the paris attack. paris police found a unexplosive vest in a trash can in paris. all this while they still certain for salah abdeslam. ashley is joining us live with the latest. >> reporter: good evening. u.s. state department putting out a world wide travel alert, saying due to increase terrorist threats, they go to mention isis, al qaeda. continued to planterrist

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