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david: more attacking you get like this, better off he is. like jeff bezos. not only fall off of him, all these charges but he uses it and is energized by it. >> that does it. "risk & reward" starts right now. >> i'm calling very simply for a shutdown of muslims entering the united states. i have no doubt that we have no choice but to do exactly what i said, until our country he's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. we don't know what is going on. you had the world trade center, remember this world trade center was knocked down. they tried to knock it down a number of years before that. it is not unconstitutional keeping peep out. deirdre: donald trump is doubling down on defending his brand, dueing numerous interviews after call fog for a temporary ban on u.s. muslim
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immigration. this is "risk & reward." i'm deirdre bolton. a national debate is happening now. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. [applause] [cheers and applause] you have no choice. we have no choice. deirdre: billionaire backer and bach enterprises ceo, ernie bach is with me. welcome back to "risk & reward." >> thank you. >> you're a donor to trump's campaign. we love to have you here. do these recent comment make you rethink your support? >> no. no. because, i don't, from what i understand, if he really wants to do this, it has to be
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legislated in and you know that probably won't happen but he is starting a debate. he is starting a debate and he is getting, getting people listening to him. it is, i don't agree with everything he says but i don't agree with everything anybody says so. deirdre: sound from your point much you, ernie, he is doing a service to citizens -- okay, fine going way out on a limb but at least he is getting people talking about issues important to our society? >> yes he is. he is getting people talking and i think he should be "time" magazine's man of the year by the way because of what he has done to the political system and how he has people talking. he's extreme but, he's, i like him. deirdre: i take your point. you are not alone. he is comparing himself to other leaders. this comment comes from earlier this morning where he compares himself to fdr. >> what i'm doing is no different than what fdr -- fdr's
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solution for germans, italians, japanese many years ago. >> you're for internment camps. >> this is president highly respected by all. he did the same thing. if you look at what he was doing, it was far worse. deirdre: so, ernie, trump as you know is facing backlash from both parties. jeb bush is calling him unhinged. do you think that, as we said, he is just extreme, do you think he will have to run as an independent. >> no, i don't think he will have to run as an independent. this is one of the many crazy things that he says that gets people talking, that gets people listening, that gets the conversation going. people concentrating, making awareness. we're in times i have never seen before. and i'm somewhat of a history buff and i have never seen these times before in the united states. so, something has to be done whether it's this, i don't know, probably not. but something has to be done.
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deirdre: ernie, because he tweeted out himself, i'm going to read, that a new poll indicates that 68% of my supporters would vote for me if i departed gop and ran as an independent. do you think he is doing this because he just wants to throw it back at what he feels like is not support, the opposite of support from his party? or do you think he is testing the waters? >> i think he is just, if anything, testing the waters but i don't think he will run as an independent. i'm not an expert on mr. trump but i don't think he will run as an independent. i think he is going to win the gop nomination. deirdre: all right. let's listen to some of the gop candidates who at least today do not share your particular view on that subject. >> that overreaction is as dangerous as barack obama's underreaction. so let's see, we're now going to violate the constitutional rights of citizens because of donald trump? he is mobilizing anti-muslim sentiment.
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he is preying on fears of the american people. it is called rabble rousing. >> this is the kind of thing that people say when they have no experience and don't know what they're talking about. we do not need to resort to that type of activity, nor should we. >> he is a raise-bating, xenophobic religious bigot. he doesn't represent my party. he doesn't represent the values men and women who wear the uniform are fighting for. you know how you great america great again? tell donald trump to go to hell. deirdre: he started conversation for sure. in fact "philadelphia daily news" this, is the headline, you may have seen this, donald trump, compare him to hitler with the new four remember on the front page. did the paper go overboard? that is big stretch from there to "time" magazine? >> i think everybody is going overboard. i think this is, way, way, crazy. he is getting people talking. he is doing what he should be
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doing, making people aware of him, what he wants to do. maybe not like this but he definitely wants to help the united states handle this major problem that we have. i think they're doing a lot to derail him and derail him and, you know, they're not doing a great job doing it. deirdre: his son obviously remains loyal saying that muslims support his father. >> the driver that you said this, is not someone i ever met before, very personable guy, i just wanted to introduce myself, mr. trump. i'm a muslim. oh, boy, this is interesting. honestly i'm so for everything your father is saying. i went back two years ago to my country, my brother-in-law, came with us on vacation was kidnapped held for ransom. i don't want to see that here. deirdre: you're a businessman. i looked into his golf properties in dubai, his partner like you is defending trump. at least not going for boycotting saying we are going
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to leave american politics out of business agreements. at least as far as his business goes, even in dubai, he is not facing any consequence. what do you make of that? >> i think that's good. i think that's very good. deirdre: ernie, thank you. glad to have you with us. ernie boch joining me there. we'll continue because some lawmakers are calling for donald trump to quit the presidential race such as republican congressman david jolly. outspoken congressman will be joining charles payne this evening in 50, five zero minutes, 6:00 p.m. eastern time. you will not want to miss that. critics are blasting donald trump that his proposal banning muslims violates u.s. and international law and never would be allowed by the courts. you heard one of his supporters and donors, ernie boch saying same thing. my legal panel is here.
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emily says the proposal is constitutional. alex ogle says it is not. emily, on what ground is the plan or anything at that looks like it constitutional? >> i would like to clarify, on technicality the constitution here does not directly apply and here's why. concept aside of what donald trump just proposed constitution applies to every citizen here in the united states and by the bill of rights it also protects even illegal immigrants. here donald trump's plan is actually about those not yet on our soil which the united states constitution does not affect. and secondly, immigration is a matter of foreign policy and national security. what that means is, that the supreme court an all the courts have long upheld it is immune from judicial review, meaning it is matter of administrative law so does not go through the courts. when we talk about the constitutionality of something, like us to be specific. here it actually does not apply. deirdre: fair points made. alex, do you see what emily is saying?
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that is to say the constitution protects religious freedom for citizens. it does not say anything about refugees, immigrants, people who are in the process of being naturalized? >> i disagree because it does affect individuals in the u.s. now, the first amendment of the u.s. constitution talks about freedom of religion. and that basically says if there is a law that discriminates against religion, then therefore that law is unconstitutional. now i understand the argument that it is not directly affecting individuals but you have to consider this. what if someone has a lawful visa, someone else coming in from another country, a spouse. now they can't come in because they're a muslim. that affects an american citizen. what if it's a family? what if someone has a job? what if employer is waiting for individual to come in on a job? this does affect america. deirdre: that is different visa with all due respect. that is not h1b visa. that is not l category which is
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skilled, unskilled labor entirely different process. >> donald trump says this is blanket. he will not let any muslims in no matter what. he wasn't going to let muslims in. he didn't make exceptions for employment or family visas. he is talking about all-out ban. he is not talking about asylum, or anything like that. he is saying these individuals can't come in. deirdre: emily, legally are we allowed to question someone's religious stance when they come here? >> well, legally things are set up where actually their religious beliefs are the reason that they're here. that is why we offer asylum to those who are persecuted for their religion in other countries including certain muslims. alex, i understand all of your points you said, and they're absolutely fair points, here again the technicality it doesn't apply. so what we're talking about is something before they get here and effect much on a present muslim citizen or present naturalized citizen here who is muslim that is not enough to warrant what we're talking about legally in the courts. deirdre: all right.
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thank you both, glad to have you here. emily, alex, glad for your input. we want to get you right now to another legal matter. it is breaking news. it affects health care. gerri willis is with me now. gerri, what is going on with cigna? >> questions being asked tonight about cigna's commitment to the obamacare exchanges. cigna ceo tells kaiser health news that the company was committed to participating in the exchanges next year, 2016, but beyond that the matter is in question. this came days after unitedhealthcare said it may pull out around being involved in obamacare was a mistake that cost the company hundreds of millions of dollars. cordani telling kaiser health news, that is not a political organization. it is a health news reporter. told them we didn't make money on aca exchanges in 2014 and we're not making money in 2015.
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i should also note that cigna is not a big player in the marketplace, 236,000 customers in the obamacare marketplace. soon be acquired by anthem. core dhani will stay on as president in that company but now beginning to look a little like a pile-on with more companies starting to say we may not stay in the exchanges. big questions tonight about how obamacare continues. deirdre: gerri willis thank you as always. joining me there with the very latest development with cigna. fox news also learning that investigators are focusing on the possibility that tashfeen malik, the female shooter in san bernardino, was quote, unquote, an operative. we'll bring you more details on that. also when we come back, a silicon valley lender may behind a california terrorist's 28,000-dollar bank account deposit. we'll bring you everything we know after this. >> we have to find out who gave this guy $28,000, put it into
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his account. how many other $28,000 checks were made? are there thousands all over the country. when you say you are afraid, you should be afraid of the other side, not my side.
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press conference that the two terror suspects were talking to people local i under investigation bit fbi. i have that element along with international component as you mentioned. they are telling us that tashfeen was radicalized overseas, not a huge leap. telling us in a press conference they feel she was radicalized for same time. that she was radicalized overseas and looking into her family was radicalize ad and possibility she could be a operative. when i pressed them on that, of course they would not go any further. there is a lot of ways that can go. that is the investigation into her family overseas, whether they're radicalized. whether there is operative type status for tashfeen. they also insist that syed, her husband was at least partly radicalized here. here. put the dots together and the dots do include information locally, deirdre, about the case here and about individuals looked at very closely bit fbi. deirdre? deirdre: thank you very much.
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adam housley joining us there from california. there are new details emerging as you heard my colleague say on the california killers in various ways. in this sense how they may have funded the attack. bank records show that shooter syed farook got 28 1/2 thousand dollar loan from online lender called prosper. we reached out to prosper. we e-mailed them, asking for a statement. they are prohibited they said by law, disclosing non-public personal identifying information regarding any loan originated to our platform. all loans originated through the prosper platform are subject to all identity verification and screening. with me is the head of the council of global security. so, katy, how can this happen? >> well, this just goes to show this enemy is very adaptive. we saw that in paris, the fact
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they were able to carry on communications without being detected. thought might be they were using playstation. this enemy is very adept and very adaptive. it means we have to be adaptive in our response. deirdre: because we do have in the u.s. anti-money laundering, anti-terrorism of the banking system in theory is heavily regulated. >> it is indeed. it is a little bit, raises questions how this could happen, when you think about how much scrutiny there is now, post-9/11 of all financial transactions. anybody who applied for a mortgage knows that. but again just reinforces even if we have some mechanisms in place to monitor, which also have to be aware of the fact that this enemy will constantly find new ways to get around our rules. deirdre: as far as the banks, what role do you see them in? i mean what role should they be playing? i know for a fact that some of them are going through, they are trying to flag certain
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transactions but volume is intense. >> yeah, that's right. again i think they should be held to the same standard as the rest of us, see something, say something. let's use our common sense here. i hope this does alert banks. they're operating under tough circumstances as well because the restrictions have become so great it also has become difficult for them to carry out their day-to-day business. deirdre: katie, we've been speak about financial issues. donald trump earlier questioning terror checks in general. >> we have to find out who gave this guy $28,000, put it into his account. how many other $28,000 checks were made? are there thousands all over the country? when you say you're afraid, you should be afraid. you should be afraid of the other side, not my side. deirdre: katie, going forward, what can be done whether from the banking sector or the tech sector? if there is one thing to improve
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our system, improve our security, what is it? >> well i think there's a bigger issue. we need to erase distinction between domestic and international terrorism. that is the single big thing holding us up. that distinction doesn't hold true anymore. that is what is preventing a lot more effective intelligence being carried out in this country. deirdre: katie, thank you so much. we'll continue the conversation. she will be back with us. the white house says, it will be speaking to big tech companies about taking a more active role in fighting terrorism. a congressman will be joining us saying he is ready to crack down on silicon valley right now. ♪ >> malik, the female, pledged her allegiance to al baghdadi and isis in a facebook posting. we have the computers. we have the devices. we are currently going through the forensics. they tried to destroy those
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♪ . deirdre: we want to bring you some breaking news right now. the house approving a bill to bolster the visa ware program, from 14 to 19, all came from democrats, republican strategist artificial pratt, democratic strategist jessica with me now. so first and foremost, ashley, will this make the u.s. safer? >> i mean at this point i think what we're looking for are more restrictions when it comes to visas. when we saw with what happened with tashfeen malik in san bernardino, that was exactly with one of the problems with the k-1 visas, which was probably one of the
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most extensive visas program and she was still able to use a fake address, still traveled to these countries. so i think in placing these restrictions, i think that we will see an outcome that is safer for americans, but i do think we need to look at a more comprehensive strategy overall. deirdre: okay. to ashley's point, malik passed three of four interviews. what do you think of this visa program that the filter will become finer? >> i think this is a great thing. i think this is the discussion we should be having, a more nuanced discussion about looking at specific countries rather than blanketing on all countries, or rand paul proposed a bill that would prohibit coming from countries or having to wait 30 days to come here, which i believe to be very un-american and attitude in how we treat other nations and many of them are allies. >> i think you and i can both
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agree on that too, jessica. >> great. good news. deirdre: it seems as if the white house wants silicon valley to take a more aggressive stance. in other words, if pro isis, pro terrorist material is out there, here's the latest comment. >> i will urge high-tech and law enforcement leaders to make it harder for terrorists to use technology to escape from justice. deirdre: as far as tech companies, what can they really do, ashley? >> i mean i'm not sure what they can really do, but there's got to be something. within minutes of that san bernardino shooting, we did see tashfeen malik pledge her to isis on facebook. so if there's any information sharing going on, i believe at this point the islamic state both the fact that they're treating or posting or any social media accounts about 90,000 times or posts a day. that's a huge amount and that's where they're primarily doing all of their recruiting
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to mainly a younger audience. so that's where we're seeing a lot of these instances, middle aged men sometimes women and women are more susceptible to a lot of the radicalization. so i think when we're looking at this, we have to see how significant the role of social media is and what silicon valley can do to put some sort of restriction in place or program in place to really filter out what is going on between communication for these -- deirdre: and sometimes twitter is not that strong, for example, if you have terrorist o1 and that gets shut down and somebody creates terrorist 02, that keeps running to the extent that some pro terrorists are taunting twitter, i should also mention making death threats to the current ceo dorsey. but some responding to the president saying violent threats, the promotion of terrorism deserve no place on twitter, our rules make that clear. we have teams around the world actively investigating reports
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of rule violation, they work with law enforcement entities around the world when appropriate. but, jessica, even if twitter, facebook, all the ones that we know begin to be more aggressive, don't we see more encrypted properties? what i want to know is why some silicon valley brain kids are not going on and working with the government for six months to a year and saying we're here to help. what do you need? >> well, that might be coming. that's a great idea and also the government perhaps all too often has things going on that we don't know about. and i want to have confidence in the fact that they're taking this threat seriously, and i know is that this is going to open up the conversation again about the nsa and metadata surveillance, i know it has been an issue in the campaign, it will continue to be but with 68% of americans feeling uneasy with the strategy on isis and 80% have the feeling there could be an incident on u.s. soil. this is before the san bernardino attacks, i'm sure that has already increased.
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i think that a lot more people are going to feel all right. about their social media accounts being checked and more vigilance over what's going on on the internet. deirdre: thank you, both, ashley and jessica glad to have you here. >> thank you. deirdre: we're going to stay on the terror trail because documents have revealed in a terrorists have tried to enter the u.s. with syrian refugees. my next guest is wondering why the white house is silence on the subject >> this makes no sense. we should not be bringing in refugees where our fbi tells us we cannot ascertain whether or not they're isis terrorists wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new language for machines so planes, trains, even hospitals can work better. oh! sorry, i was trying to put it away... got it on the cake. so you're going to work on a train? not on a train...on "trains"!
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terrorists.? deirdre: the house just approved legislation to make the filter stronger for the federal visa waiver program. the overhall bans people from iraq, syria, and those who have traveled to those countries in the last five years from traveling to the u.s. without a visa. terrorism expert kyle is with me now. so, kyle, is this a step in the right direction to protect americans? >> it's absolutely a good step, but it's really a band-aid on a wound we need a tourniquet for, i'm afraid. the visa waiver program has issues, everyone admitted that, that's why we saw such bipartisan support to pass this. but it's not going to raise any -- it's not going to lift anyone's concerns about refugee screening, for
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instance, screening on things like k-1 visas, which we saw with the san bernardino shooting. these are all still issues in place. so if -- you know, if this is a view people thank we can do this, and we're done, it's not the case. this is a good start, we need to keep working. deirdre: kyle, homeland security chairman mike mccall revealed that documents, you just mentioned this, tried to enter our country as refugees. >> tied to terrorist groups in syria have already attempted to gain access to our country through the u.s. refugee program. deirdre: so does this surprise you that we haven't heard more about this? >> it's no surprise that they're trying, it's a little bit surprising we haven't heard more about this. there was a desire i think by the administration to paint the refugee resettlement process as beyond approach, vetting was going to be 100%. couldn't possibly go wrong, anyone that was trying to
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seriously look at vetting for syrian or other refugees was playing into islamic state hand and now what we're really learning is that islamic state very much wishes for the refugee flow in order to move operatives into the united states and other countries. deirdre: kyle, when you talk about playing into the hands of the terrorists, it seems like they have one goal; right? which is to destroy. so anything that goes against that, is not in their hands. am i missing something? >> their goal is to wage jihad in order to establish and maintain their. so anything that helps them on their effort, they will do, including the refugee flow in order to strike at the west. deirdre: we know that utah at this point is a signing, a state police detective to monitor refugees. do you see that as an appropriate precaution? >> if i had limited resources, it may not be the way i would use my detectives.
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i would be very concerned about new refugees linking up with mosques in my area or islamic organizations in my area that i already knew had ties to terrorism or islamic movements. deirdre: well, actually speaking of these ties, gop presidential candidate ted cruz called earlier for new legislation that would actually ban refugees from settling in the states if they come from a country controlled by a foreign terrorist organization such as isis. >> that would be -- >> this makes no sense. we should not be bringing in refugees where our own fbi tells us we can ascertain whether or not they are isis terrorists. deirdre: although, kyle, what i'm assuming and what we are hearing and reading about the majority of syrian refugees is that that's the whole reason that they're leaving syria is because they don't want to live under an isis rule. how do we separate them out?
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>> well, we have to have law enforcement intelligence officers who understand this ideology, and they understand this enemy, they know how to ask people questions about their backgrounds, about their history, about their religious and ideological definitives in order to weed these people out. that training does not exist right now because it was removed from law enforcement and cdp and other officers have been forbidden from asking these very questions. so they cannot ask the kinds of questions they need in order to screen the bad from the good in this. deirdre: what did she that sounds like some questions worth bringing back, kyle, we thank you as always for your input. kyle shiedler joining me there. he is a terrorism expert. when we come back president obama's says the air campaign in syria is working. my next guest says these leaked documents shows the terrorists have logged some big wins and also building an
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empire. >> syria air strikes are taking out isil leaders, oil tankers, infrastructure, and since the attacks in paris, our closest allies, including france, germany, and the united kingdom have ramped up their contributions to our military campaign, which will help us accelerate our effort to destroy isil. >> nothing that happened tonight is going to -- first of all, we heard tonight that the same strategy that has brought us to this point is the strategy he's going to continue. he honestly believes there's a coalition fighting against isis, this is there is no such coalition n. n. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation company optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. so while the world keeps searching for healthier
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deirdre: san bernardino massacre is showing that rust counterterrorism strategy needs to improve. my next guest says the u.s. has treated terrorism as a law enforcement problem as opposed to a war. the president of the counsel of global security is back with me now. katie, thank you for staying
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with me. so 20 minutes after the attacks in paris the french president said we are at war. do we need to make a similar statement? >> yeah, i can't believe we didn't make it long before now. i mean this is so obvious. and, you know, we continue to treat these acts on american soil like they're isolated cases, we love to throw out the term loan wolf but, no, the enemy has adapted, we're not oking at those grand centrally operations anymore. this enemy has figured out it's better off working through the individuals who don't need that central direction. this is how they're carrying out their war on our soil. deirdre: so i want to ask you something. president obama did speak about the terrorist threat saying we will overcome it and some experts that i have spoke with says he's doing this on fourth place try to minimize where the french president somehow elevated the terrorist cause. what do you make of this war on words?
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>> yes. i think that's absolutely true. i think president obama believes that terrorism is a function of u.s. actions in the middle east and that now we have a much less bigger role in the middle east militarily that the terrorism will somehow eventually dissipate. but that just couldn't be farther from the truth. and i think it's also interesting that he made this distinction in his speech where he said so far, we don't think that these were centrally directed operations. but it doesn't matter because this enemy isn't working that way anymore. deirdre: your point is well taken. unfortunately, for all of us they have evolved in their tactics as you said. also the justice department is shifting, focusing more on rights than evaluating threats. listen in. >> here in the u.s. an incredibly disturbing rise in antimuslim rhetoric, the fear that you have just mentioned is, in fact, my greatest fear as a prosecutor. as someone who was sworn to
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the protection of all of the american people. which is that the rhetoric will be accompanied by acts of violence. >> in the current environment, the answer cannot be to vilify all american muslims or to drive them into hiding in this country. deirdre: katie, security expert, what is this right mix between security and freedom at this juncture? >> well, you know, it's interesting. george bush was apparently afraid of the same thing, he was afraid that there would be a backlash against muslims, it never happened, it hasn't happened, there isn't any backlash so this hyper concern with how americans are going to react or we're going to turn antimuslim, i think is just ill founded. deirdre: meaning if people want to attack us, they want to attack us no matter what we say. katie, thank you for being with us.
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deirdre: social media tools are used by terrorists and the people citing them. social flow is a company that collects and analyzes data that's being shared through twitter, facebook, and snapchat. jim anderson is the ceo, he's with me now. jim, great to see you. what percentage of social media flow, social media data
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is either terrorist related or sympathetic to terrorists? >> well, i don't know the exact number but it's small, the challenge of group for any audience whether you're a group for good or terrorism, you have to get the audience, we do a lot of monitoring, we don't see any significant quantity of that activity. deirdre: so where is the most traffic coming from? >> the traffic is coming from people talk about terrorism. so the media companies put stories out, there's plenty of commentary obviously after a terrorist incident there's a lot of traffic and commentary about isis. and then what we see over time that tends to taper off after an incident. deirdre: now, isis mentions when across to your point all kinds of platforms you see journalists, you see -- who's sharing the most? >> well, it's everybody. who's consuming the content and both for good and bad but in large with the terrorist incident it's lots of coverage about the tragedy of it and lots of commentary about how horrible it is. deirdre: so last night donald
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trump said he would keep muslims temporarily from entering the u.s. >> right. deirdre: and you sent us a chart, so we'll show that to our viewers so they can follow along, and it just shows as one of trump's supporters said he is certainly engaging the public, he wants to start a conversation so by your data, he's successful. >> he has taken over the conversation, his traffic was spiked five times alarming than any time in the previous 30 days, so he's gotten everybody's attention. deirdre: let me ask you, breaking news as far as polling goes, he had about 30% in iowa but essentially has a 32% generating as far as new hampshire goes, and you can see how he is, in fact, widening the lead for new hampshire and you can see maybe -- some people may be surprised, dr. carson not even on this first screen, he's down noticeably at 5%. >> yeah. we did see some interesting data from dr. carson. after thanksgiving the
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thanksgiving break for whatever reason his commentary, the comments about him. deirdre: ran out of steam. >> ran out of steam. there was not much activity, very noteful after the thanksgiving break. deirdre: if we can pull up that screen again, so you're not surprised i take it by trump being in that top spot. but it seems as if marco rubio is gaining and chris christy, although h endorsed by new hampshire's main paper. >> right. i think trump got a lot of attention with this statement yesterday, the question everybody seems to be asking and i'm asking as well, has he gone too far? just because people are talking about him, doesn't mean it's necessarily positive, although clearly your polling data shows there's a core group of people who like what he's saying. deirdre: well, he's certainly starting a conversation, jim anderson, thank you for the time. ceo of social flow. well, this is not fog that you're looking at right now. a 30-car pile up in beijing. red alert for smog. schools and businesses are completely shut. the capital city is issuing
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dierdre: china's capital city is more or less shut down because of a smog alert. the smog is so thick it caused a 33-car pileup killing at least three people. dr. marc siegel is here as is ashley pratt back with me. how is the smog this bad and what is it doing to people's health. >> i'm not a big fan of regulations but the coal is burning and the factories are
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spewing. asthma, long-term risks of emif emphysema. dierdre: maybe china is too unregulated. >> the good doctor took the words out of my mouth. the sad thing here is greenpeace was the one who had to say you guys should be issuing a red alert instead of orange because you are leaving people susceptible to the poisonous gas outside. the fact that we are allowing greenpeace to make those determinations should be concern together chinese government. this is poisonous. people are walking outside. schools were still open until they closed them.
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i have a friend in shopping congress working. she said china is pretty disgusting in the sense the air is never clean to breathe. we have seen the president say we are going to cut carbon emissions by 2030. but are they doing enough? dierdre: we are showing pictures of bikers with masks covering their noses and faces trying to protect themselves as much as possible. closer to home, at economy poett chipotle 80 boston college students got sick with potentially e. coli after eating at the restaurant.
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>> the norovirus is 21 million cases throughout the united states. it spreads like wild fire. and the culprit is usually a food handler. they say it's only the chipotle near boston college. but the people who go home from this will spread it through the community. we have to look at the food handlers and how they are preparing the food there. dierdre: it's basically people not washing their hand. >> and not being careful when they prepare the food. they should be wearing gloves when they prepare the food. >> i had chipotle for lunch today. but my hand were washed, let's hope they did, too.
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dierdre: living on the edge. thank you very much. we thank you for joining us on "risk and reward." republican david jolly calling on donald trump to quit the race. he's charles payne's guest starting now. charles: stocks continue to slip. the dow was down only 162 points. syrian refugees, there is more evidence isis has pondered ways to infiltrate that program. donald trump's ban on muslims coming into america. here is the donald trump call for ban all muslims entering this country. >> donald j. truck is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering


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