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new hampshire and really make it a live-free state. then maybe the rest of america will learn from that. that's our show, seew show "fox & friends".com. see you tomorrow, erin. >> aw. presidential candidates working to win over new hampshire. while more americans are working to get a decent job. hi everyone, i'm jerry willis, and this is "bulls and bears." the economy adding only 151,000 jobs last month, even though the jobless rate ticked down. it's the quality of the job that's got some folks worried. which one of the 2016 hopefuls has the best plan to do the job? the bulls and leifield along with susie welch and john hannah. that mixed bag on the report, which party has the best plan to get the right kind of jobs back? >> well, i'm not a big fan of
the republicans front runners, but if you're going to go with one party or the other, look, the democrats have already said, the ones running, they're going to go after cooperate america. and when you talk about these job numbers, the middle class is absolutely disappeared. going after corporate america with cap expending the lowest in five years is not going to help very much. if the job picture is that great, why is gdp continuing to slide downward? adding jobs is fantastic, remember, the middle class is destroyed. 9 million jobs added under president obama, we've added two people for every job. 51 become the of americans are making under $30,000 a year, 74% under $54,000 a year. >> it's tragic. everybody knows we have a big problem here. so susie, look to the jobs created in this report, it's
vacuum and jump in and talk about job growth. >> mark, you say it's all about hillary clinton. >> oh yeah. look the republican party is philosophically opposed to the government getting involved in the economy. they want to deregulate, they want to pull back, there's some goofy proposals being put forward about abolishing the irs and they're wildly popular, but republicans don't have a serious plan. hillary clinton put together a five year $275 million plan to get manufacturing back on track. to rebuild america's infrastructure, those create manufacturing jobs, good jobs, pay typically 8% to 20% more than these bar tending or, you know, table-waiting jobs that you mentioned. >> look, the democrats, are they going to build out the manufacturing part of the economy or are they just going to make more government jobs? >> yeah, you can't magically build out manufacturing with government policy. look, the democrats, i'm going to disagree, i would say bernie.
bernie sanders wants to transition to go european-style economy, single payers -- look, you offer free education to everybody, you're going to create jobs. i'm not saying it's a good economic policy, but that will create more jobs than hillary clinton's mr. chairman which is to not move to a european-style economy. >> are you telling me you like bernie sanders? what are you saying here, explain. >> targeting jobs as a policy, you want jobs to be an indirect beneficiary of good policy. now on the republican side, they all got tax cut plans, they're not going to happen because they can't pay for the extreme tax cuts, but i have to go with trump. trump wants to build a giant wall. that is fdr straight up. if you don't think that's not going to create hundreds of thousands of construction jobs, the sheer amount of work that is going to be -- so that alone puts him ahead of all the other tax guys. >> let's bring in gary b. here, i'm relying on you to say something superintelligent, harry. >> wow. >> the pressure's really on now.
okay. a couple points in review, mark said that the republicans had no serious plan, my gosh, all you need to go to is tedcruz.org. marco rubio's website, there's plenty of plans to grow the economy. mark seems to think -- sorry, the left seems to think that growing the government is a good idea. look, i'm not, honestly, jerry, to go through all these plans and dissect them. just reading through ted cruz's tax plan was mind boggling. i went to the tax foundation, they ran through all the plans and all the economic numbers. on the left side, they looked at a number of different factors. ten year gdp growth for every republican candidate was positive. for both sanders and clinton, it was negative. same with job growth. negative under anyone on the left, positive under anyone on the right. wage growth, negative under both sanders and clinton. so look, the tax foundation, all
their interested in is what is going to be the affect of their economic policy on the economy, on jobs, on wages and things like that. it's decidedly skewed toward the republicans. if you have some kind of, you know, fais that the government's going to do it, it just doesn't add up to what the number's say. >> come on -- >> all you have to do is look at the last several administrations to wonder under which public policies do jobs and does the economy do better? clinton is synonymous as a word with -- >> recession we've ever had. how can you say that's a good policy? >> we were hemorrhaging 800,000 jobs a month when barack obama took a office and in a year, he steered the economy back to job growth. month by month for the remaining six years. >> after we got through the bump of $800 billion was stimulus that was taken out of the pocket, what's the job growth been there? its been terrible. the economy is sinking now.
>> somebody just said $9 million were created under obama. that's not chump change. nobody else does. john, to you. what has done? what should one of the republican or democratic candidates do? people desperately need to see better median income. >> we haven't had grown-ups in d.c. in many years. this goes way back before president obama, believe me, the small business fairness act put together in the mid-90s by president clinton who also, when you talk about deregulation, president clinton was the one who spurred the economy through deregulation. that helped, that small business fairness act helped because of the right and the left actually
worked together. and when you talk about jobs, it's not fair to cherry pick numbers like that. 40 million jobs were created between 1980 and 2000. between reagan, bush, and clinton. you've had nine million created under president obama. there's no comparison right now. by the way, remember those jobs being created. gdp is trending at about 2.4% under president obama last five years. that's way under 3.1% average. >> let me ask you quickly. john is saying hey, everybody get together, kumbaya, baya mom
i'm not sure. job growth, maybe that's happening. >> gary b., last word. >> to mark's point, too much faith in government and what has it gotten? it's gotten the worst economy, the worst comeback from a recession in the history of the united states. i think that says it all. >> ting says it all too. thanks guys. and cavuto on business in about 20 minutes from now. hey neil, what have you got? >> with the new hampshire primary just three days out, democrats are calling for more government handouts and republicans all but ignoring the money we're already handing out. so with the national debt now grossing 19 trillion bucks, is it time we finally stop passing them up? we'll see you at the bottom of the hour. >> thanks, neil. we can't wait. but up here first, don't get used to low gas prices while driving to the polls. the president's pushing a new oil tax. that could soon be taxing your wallet.
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that's the worry to the consumer down the road. >> i feel like this is the big deal, and maybe only 25 cents a gallon, but that's not meaningful to many. many consumers. what do you say? >> yeah, at a point where consumers are being stretched right now. the problem is where does this money go? if this money went towards a d.c. supergrid like we need to upgrade our grid, they would create some jobs that would lost in the oil field that he's talked about, the problem is you cannot trust congress with money, look at the gas tax, medicaid, medicare, its been used for education, 1990, congress took half of it. 1993 they did it again, said they were going to use it for education in the south, general fund. this money will not go where it's supposed to go and attacked that'll be there permanently. >> it's another gas tax. mark, you have pretty strong feelings on this. what do you think this is going to mean to kmurs, to people, do you think this is important to have another tax on consumers?
>> sure, it will. let's establish it's not a tax on consumer, it's a tax on oil companies. >> i don't know about that. it's going to get passed right through. passed along. >> that's what people say, and the way heather acknowledged that that's a possibility. >> or a likelihood. >> or, maybe one or two oil companies will absorb this cost as part of doing business. >> whoa. >> or, i'm going to bloelt minds of everybody here, maybe they'll just cut into their grotesque profits a little bit. i'm telling you, if one company does that and keeps the price of gas low, there's going to be competitive pressure -- >> who wants to answer that? >> john hit the nalt on the head with this -- >> wait, we've got to get to, out of the kindness of their own heart, go ahead. >> if the profits were so grotesque, they wouldn't be default on the debt right now. it's not a lucrative business to be in. the tax is not going to pass on to the consumers absurd. what i want to say, this is a
brave policy, any politician can say oh -- remember when hillary clinton said let's get rid of the gas tax for a while, that is a policy. doing this, raising money this way, you remove all the moronic policies like the miles per gallon and incentives for solar, we wouldn't need any of that. had a simple tax that's easy to collect that raises the prices of energy and get rid of the bureaucracy. that's a good way. >> chicken in every pot and everybody gets a free car. >> okay, gary b., to you, really? so consumers aren't going to end up getting -- we just spent 20 minutes talking about how lousy the jobs market is. and now, no, let's give these people another tax, that would be a great idea. >> couple points, jerry, asking a liberal physical he's in favor of a tax is like asking a golden retriever if they want another tennis ball thrown at them. i mean for crying out loud, they love spending another people's money because they think they're
so smart they can spend it better than us. second to your point, you know, susie said it would like putting a face over the oil companies, like the face of the consumer out there. 25 cents, you know that'll be there in perpetuity only to be added to. what do we do when they're back at $4 a gallon, oh well, you know, what do we care? >> first of all, for people that are in favor of this, i then, i go back and say, wait a second, what happened to the $800 billion we spent on all those shovel-ready projects? those seem to have vanished, now mass transit, and we're going to spend it on smart cars. they'll do a great job. >> i feel good about it the. all right. thanks guys. cashing in just over an hour from now, eric, what do you guys have coming up. >> hi jerry, donald doing something with his billions that some here say could be a game-changer in the election. plus the news, yearning for the bern. why sanders message is resinating with young americans
and what it means for our future. cashing in, we'll see you at 11:30. >> thanks eric, we'll be watching. up here first, catch him and you're fired. forget the debate over deporting illegals on the campaign trail, the top border guys he'll be fired if he doesn't let them go. >> what do you think are the consequences for agents who are unwilling to comply with these policies? >> they'll be terminated. >> so for wanting to enforce the law, that is in the books, they are going to be terminated from their jobs. >> absolutely. ♪ ♪ he has a sharp wit.
government agencyings are allowed to bypass congress by legitimating through policy, we might as well abolish our immigration laws altogether. the policy does not require the person to prove they've been here, which is the sachl burden placed on them during deportation proceedings. instead, it simply requires them to claim to have been here since january of 2014. not only do we release these individuals, by law are subject to removal proceedings, we do it without any means of tracking their whereabouts. >> we're not tracking illegal immigrants after border agents release them. another reminder why illegal immigration is such a major issue on the campaign trail. gary b., does something need to be done about this and fast? >> absolutely, jerry, let me be very brief on this. we're on the cusp of world war iii, instead of shoring up our bordersing with figuring out what to do, we're basically putting the sign out there
saying, welcome isis, please come and destroy us. it's a travesty, and i blame it squarely on this nefarious doesn't come under the border under the jesus christ of the american way. >> john. >> every president's since reagan has said the same thing, they're going to fix the border and deal with them, but nobody has been successful on doing both. you can call it a kumbaya moment, but we need congress to enact a full immigration reform, otherwise, we'll never deal with it. >> jonah. >> i think the keyword was tracking. bureaucracy and kicking people out, we just track people technology is there to start doing that. it wouldn't matter where they were, as long as we knew they weren't getting benefits, as
long as anybody with a visa or tourist, we know where they are, how long they're here, we could get a rid of a lot of the costly ways of getting rid of them. >> i agree with john. immigration laws are completely broken. congress has an obligation to fix them and federal government establishes immigration policy, congress passes laws, so these, with any direction from congress, these poor border agents don't know what they're doing. at least marco rubio has tried to be part of the a solution. i don't see any other serious immigration proposals coming out of the candidates. >> if we're not enforcing the laws that are on the books right now, how can we have any hope of getting our arms around this problem? >> absolutely right, gerri. maybe the real proposal is to move all the lawmakers out of the cocoon of washington, d.c. and move them along one of the towns where the immigrants come into. in california or texas, and then, we'll see things sol guys. and thanks to susie and mark for
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she was critical of my adele pickation, but i love julie, so i let it go. and adam, who are all critical of my adele fixuation are not here today. zblpz aerosmith. >> yeah. >> we agreed. that's one. >> right. >> charles, you're looking at this and saying, spending graveyard. >> and it's absolutely amazing how this has sort of drifted to sort of not being a major topic in this political cycle when grassroots anger at the establishment, tea party stuff, all threw out this in the beginning, 19 trillion and counting. bernie and hillary want to give away the store, but on the republican side, i haven't heard anything yet that really gives me a lot of confidence that they have the result that it takes. and i know it's a political third realm, but if you double the size of the military, there's no way you in the world
you do without making adjustments to social security. again, i know it's third realm, but always dance around and never do anything around it. >> what i notice, we're very critical of ways to get more revenue. not at all creative with at least attempting to, i don't know, save on it. >> well, as you pointed out public you're going to save revenue, you have to really slash entitlements and you're going to get grandma to have to give up her medicare. you're going to have to get people -- >> no, no, no, you are, i'm sorry. or even you. fine, fine. the future generation have already paid into the system. listen, i paid my taxes on this stuff, i expect -- >> you're paying what you're going to get out are two different numbers. >> people feel like it's not an entitlement when you've been paying taxes on it your entire working life. >> that's why it never gets down. >> until then, stop explaining. nobody's going to do it. >> you're very angry.
>> i'm all love. >> ben, your views on this. great opportunities for the parties to frame the debate in a constructive way, and they're not. >> they're not going to frame in a constructive way, and in fact, i hate to say this, but bear in mind, i do love adele, the republicans are the ones to blame for the deficits because they cut taxes. we're rolling along with surp s surpluses and rolling along on a powerful economy with surplus surpluses -- >> what happened to the other 7.3? >> that got piled on, but bev had the same clinton era tax rates, would not have been anywhere near it. we cut taxes recklessly, that was our entitlement in terms to give to the rich and upper middle class, and now i don't think we republicans can complain. >> neither side did anything. neither side did anything to address some of the fundamental large spending -- >> neil -- >> god bless you, god bless you, god bless adele, but we just
can't do it. >> you're right on that. i think you're right on it. >> gary, this is not about taxes, it's one day, market's going to wake up and see all this. and i watch my president yesterday come out and take victory laps and not one question was asked about the 8.4 trillion in new debt under his watch that's been accumulated. all he talked about this, that, and the other that does not matter. debt is going to kill, it is going to crush, and and you may be seeing in in the markets as
we speak right now. >> what i'm seeing is the hillary, bernie, and they're talking about more ways to raise tax the rich. republicans, no way to at least reign in this entitlement issue. or large government tom that point, we never hear it anyway. i don't know. it's not encouraging. >> gary makes a fantastic point. because it does seem like -- >> with more. >> a little bit more. >> but, with the thing is that if we take in three trillion and government spends four trillion, take in four trillion, the government spends five trillion. it's amazing. ultimately it's up to the american people to stop voting these people in. maybe that's going to happen this time in. we'll see. ultimately, we hate everybody else, but the person that brings home the bacon for us, then we never get it. >> voting what people in? again, you have medicare part d that was under a republican president, reagan and bush the debt was higher than under obama
or clinton. the point is -- >> no, no, no. >> who are you voting in? >> continue to spend money that we don't have. >> on both sides. >> and listen, here's the thing, okay, i've got to tell you, it's like this week, general motors gives a bonus up to $4,000 to all workers, but the american public, lost 11 billion ant bailout. you know, these sort of redistribution schemes, imagine that with every corporation because that's what we would get with a bernie sanders or hillary clinton kind of administration. >> under bush. >> both to blame, but both sides are also refusing to take action here. gary, continue. >> i hear nobody talking about when government takes in a dollar, they don't spend a #.10e. what scared the living daylights out of me, there are people in the public that actually think bernie sanders matters and is going to do something for this country.
these millennials need to take a trip down and see what socialism has done to that country in venezuela. it is absolutely destroyed it. and for him, his message is just absolutely horror show for anybody to think that can do anything for anybody going forward -- >> and why is he so popular because he's tapping where people feel they're getting the short end of the stick. i'm not a big backer of a lot of his programs an ideas and taxing of the yin-yang, but the fact is, it's resinating with a lot '07 and '08 and say wait a minute, 19 trillion in debt and ka bloom, i'm keeping my fingers crossed that never happens -- >> it's going to happen one day. >> we've been hearing since the '80s. it's not going to happen.
>> the markets don't respond to debt. they don't care. >> take it for instance, greece db. >> after greece had a military coup, are the public, the politicians who came in after that knew they always had to appease the public and gave away the store. and they finally hit that brick wall. we're larger, so our journey -- >> wait, wait, this is why the greece comparison drives me crazy. >> their monetary policy was out of their hands. >> i'm talking about -- >> no. >> no, no, but listen to me. even know, embassy greece comparisons, they have no -- it's -- >> spent more money -- >> the only reason why we're better, we can print money. >> we have all the control of our monetary policy. >> now they should -- >> reporter: bring money -- [ overlapping speakers ]
>> any final thoughts? >> yeah, we're going to go evolve at some point, it won't be that far in the future. >> i'm still looking at wednesday, but you never know. rumor has it. >> oh, i see what you're saying. you're rolling in deep. >> there you go. okay. by the way, these are the issues that will come up, live coverage of the new hampshire primary. next tuesday on fox business network, we start at 7:55 p.m. i can't say the number of people are saying why 7:55? to which i say, why not? all right. can someone please, please, just slap him silly. just slap him silly. why this guy is getting, not only capitalism of the name, but anyone in the business community a bad name? we stick a syringe in it, then you decide. today, donald trump and ben
carson accusing ted cruz of using unfair campaign tactics, but are their complaints warranted or not? now some here say you want the answer, then look at the private sector. i think it landed last tuesday. one second it's there. then, woosh, it's gone. i swear i saw it swallow seven people. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we're dealing with a higher intelligence here. ♪ the all-new audi q7 is here. ♪
self-incrimination and respectfully decline to answer your question. >> you are welcome to answer questions and not all of your answers are going to subject you to incrimination. do you understand that, don't you? >> i intend to follow the advice of my council, not yours. >> you know, the movie, and they want someone to play this guy, who can we get? slimy, kind of, you know, loose and fast and disingenuous, well, they'd come up with the guy himself. pharmaceutical, martin shkreli. all right. you're a great lawyer, did he legally did he get himself in hot water? he's been just jacking up the price of a lot of life-saving drugs, maybe compromising a lot of folks, but maybe resulting in folks getting very sick and not dying as a selfish, greedy ways. did he hurt himself on the stand? >> i don't know if he hurt himself.
i think someone's going to find a way to put him in prison. he's an incredibly hateful and foolish person. i don't know why he's smirking and smiling. i don't know what he was smiling about. what the hell does he think is going to happen to him now? >> you were saying, looking at that now, he's in more trouble wl his hedge fund, nothing to do with the pharmaceutical company, but tweeting people after the fact. i think he said after the hearing, hard to accept that these imbeciles represent the people in our government. what a fox alert, you agree. >> well, both these -- you know, look, i don't know who was more despeckleable here, he or these people who are grand standing not only proposing solutions, but just trying to get ink out of him. ben might know the answer, trey gowdy, i think he answered some questions, he was actually giving up the immunity.
>> even if you give your name. >> he can say his name. >> but not, but not the other questions, you can't just plead the fifth on some, but not all, is that right? >> anything having to do with the law. if they ask him his name and address, he can't plead the fifth about that. >> you know, neil, sometimes you can turn on a tv and leave the sound off, and just look at a pe all you saw was a smirking, condescending -- >> typical viewer.l those quest where -- >> he didn't make capitalism look good, he didn't make it look good. there are a lot of people who say, and i've had them come up to me, see, i knew it. takeover company, rights to a drug, they screw the little guy just to get some big bucks off of what is a proprietary drug and they just do this all the
time. and they see him as the norm, what do you think? >> he is an outlier, he's an outlier imbecile that will be forgotten about in a few months. >> i don't know, i don't know, he's going to become a campaign they're going to use him as a campaign issue. these are the dangers of capitalism. >> last night mt. most bitter television i've ever seen in my life, mr. next president, mr. sanders said the model for wall street is fraud. that's their basic business model is fraud. he is poster boy for this. if the democrats were paying him, they could not have asked for a better witness. >> there were six or seven pharmaceutical executives there. he is the poster boy for capitalism, and it's really appalling and a shame he bought an drug, jacked up the price. he didn't spend $3 billion
developing the drug on his own. he did something that was a sense despicable, and now, he will be the vehicle used for more government oversight and to the pharmaceutical industry. higher taxes. he will be used -- >> he is not the norm. >> we don't know that. >> because we got an fda that's got this, this, this, this. >> that's not the question. >> i'm telling you why it's too much. you keep adding government and it'll make thing -- >> that's not my question. you don't want regulation where he can jack it up? should he be allowed to do this? >> another company came out with a drug right after this. >> no,
he'll be selling chicklits on the corner. >> i guarantee you he boent. he'll be doing a reality show and rich. that's my prediction. all right. we'll see what happens here. by the way, i want to lead you this bad news to more bad news. world chaos thanks to ben stein and a prediction of what will happen now to vladimir putin, stick around. when you go the extra mile to help business owners save on commercial auto insurance, you tend to draw a following. [ brakes screech ] flo: unh...
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that's when brett is on. he has told me, dvr him, watch me. very understanding and that's the way he rolls. back to this world kris kris being on the brink and putin, he's running low on oil and his revenues from that. watch out in the meantime. you're worried about what? >> russia is primarily a commodities export, a country in terms of its earnings in foreign exchange and they are really in a bind now. the price of oil has fallen so much. their revenues are so much set than they were. they have so many obligations in so many different areas and the people love putin, they show putin's polls say and but at some point, there's got to be some dissatisfaction.
i hope and pray not by attacking the baltic states, but it could well be that and if i were in lithuania or estonia, i'd be nevis right now. zpl we see that in north korea. nothing distracts like military engagement. >> two things. there was a report out last week that nato cannot protect the baltic states. to ben's, what is happening. the siege of aleppo, it's carpet bombing, it's devastating, all russia. assad is retaking property land, whatever. throngs. hundreds of thousands of people fleeing. he's already playing this out. unfortunately, the world's not looking or ignoring it on goes
what he'll do next. i agree with the great american ben stein. it has to be watched going forward. >> do you think, hear all this, and we have seen leaders who do this, who are distressed, just distract them with a raid or invasion, something to get their minds off. >> let me tell you about my friend vladimir putin. he's fighting a two front war. propping up his part of the ukraine, propping up the insurgent. >> is he popular at home? >> he is, but it's the insurgent war. he is so far. but he's propping up eastern part of ukraine, the crimea, which by the way, is not a cheap proposition. he's propping up assad. got military in both places.
he doesn't have the cash right now to go into the baltic. in fact, the ruble crashing and the commodities market crashing, it's the best thing that could happen for the west because he will not have the money. >> running out of time, so we have to go. my thanks to julie, charles, he says win no matter who wins in at ally bank, no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like vacations equal getting carried away. more proactive selling. what do you think michal? i agree. let's get out there. let's meet these people.
>> i want to say defensive owned utilities, duke energy, 3%. >> all right. ben. >> my usual. the spiders hold on ar life. >> all right. we're not done. the talks are going to continue. if in fact senator cruz does not agree with the things that were done with the deceit that was carried out, that i would expect he would do something about it. >> i think what he did was a fraud. and what he did was a voter violation statement looking like it came from a government was a fraud. and it's a disgrace. to the lek tral process. >> trump and carson accusing rival ted cruz of using unfair tactics, but some here say complaining will not help you win. they have proof from the private sector. hi, everybody. welcome to forest on fox.