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he posted an online sex tape. let's start, lis, 50 cent, i'm sure it' paper money. >> of course it's paper money. the thing about bankruptcy is you are supposed to have transparency. you don't have to pay your creditors off. this is bad for him. and he could look at some criminal time. you mess with bankruptcy and you could do some criminal time. >> 50 cent loves to show off. he might just be worth 50 cent after this judge is done with him. when you list your assets and what you owe.
you are saying it's true and accurate under oath. lou: he may have thought he was overthink liquid. 50 cent and bill gates, you don't get to say those two names very often. bill gates and breaking with his buddies in silicon valley saying the f.b.i. has the right to know in its dispute with apple. first your view on this. should apple be cooperating with the f.b.i.? >> this is a tough issue. there has to be a balance between protecting people's rights to privacy and also securing and keeping us safe. but with regards to what the f.b.i. is asking apple to do, maybe something that is unreasonable. they have a search warrant. but is it reasonable in executing that search warrant? he have a constitutional right
to our privacy. this takes us down a slippery slope. >> i disagree. this is a narrow thing the f.b.i. is asking for. they are asking for one iphone of the terrorists who are dead. the iphone was given to the terrorists by san bernardino county who have given their consent to say you can look at whatever you want from this iphone. and you go back to the 1789 act which says to a judge, you can asked a third party. if there is no other way you can get to that account, you can gift ability to that third party to execute that search warrant. you have to. lou: i hesitate to do this. i don't see why it's a matter of law. when this country is at war as we are with radical islamist
jihadists, there is an obligation, a duty as a citizen to do what you can for the country and the agencies serving the country in that specific interest. a guy like tim cook as far as i'm concerned is over the top. he's in love with his idea of something that doesn't exist. >> he may be looking at prison time. the clock is ticking until march 22 due date. and here is why. the judge will hold him and apple in contempt. but they have to wait until march 22 until the judge can hold apple and tim cook under contempt. the lawyers have to file the briefs. march 22, another month has to go by? lou: imagine this. tim cook is supposedly doing this for p.r. reasons for his company's brand image. but he has 700,000 employ glees china.
50,000 in this country tops. and it begins to look like he thinks he's a citizen of globalization or u.s. multi-national because he not responding as an american citizen should and certainly as corporate leadership. >> doesn't he have a right? >> i'm not disputing his right. this is about duty as a citizen. >> doesn't the government have a duty to protect us. >> lou: december 7, 1941, we can't convert to wartime production. we have rights. what kinds of mindless nonsense would that be and ways the difference between then and now, and with that i have got to say thank you both. lirks s, thank you.
-- lis, thank you. 89% of you say giving non-certain seasons the right to vote diseven fran choose is citizens who have a right to vote. kennedy: i'm conducting your personal symphony with these. a caucus in nevada, turnout is lower than jeb bush's energy. in an unpredictable state, pollsters and pun did and prostitutes are giving donald trump the nod. marco lived in never for some time. it's sort of his lost period. we can only imagine what he was doing while was sateen aged boy.
he was even mormon when he was there. now that jeb is gone, the establishment could flock to marco. and why are nevadans so hard to track? it's hard to pull someone dancing on polls. and to the unorganized caucus chaos the grounds game has to be sharp to get people to cast votes. rubio and cruz dwarf trump. but his long game may put number the sand trap. but i think the wheels are about to come off the cruiser as ted is in for a third place finish. he seize his nevada chances like this, smooth and handsome while
more of the country sees him like this. the good doctor thinks presidential politics is a fun lark. he sees his campaign like this. >> this is unbelievable. >> you are unbelievable. i want to get if you that room and tear the bedspread off. can i get a room? >> in reality his night will end something like this. [shouting [bleep]] kennedy: get ready for a long one. hope you brought lady luck because we are about to make it rain as we split twos. dana perino has the dos and don'ts of how to get ahead when you are a lagging presidential candidate.
the president is proposing a plan to close down guantanamo bay. and presidential candidate gary johnson is here. he just lost a big libertarian endorsement in the presidential race to ted cruz. i'm kennedy. put on some coffee, it's getting rough, with cruz still on the ropes after firing his communications director. so what's going to happen tonight? let's ask the party panel. michael malice is here. he's the author of dear reader. megyn mccain joins us tonight. and michael moynihan, look at
that face. thank you for being here. megyn, i'll start with you. i look at this race it was so populated at one point, but you still have a couple of stragglers. you have went in middle of these situations. what is it about people who stay in who have no chance in hell of winning? >> they want to sell books, they want their own tv shows. ben carson especially when i was watching his speech after the south carolina primary, i was so angry watching it. i think he's doing it for money and publicity and he doesn't care about the party and thinking of things as a whole. i know he thinks there is divine intervention and god is somehow involved. if you are an anti-trump voter which i am, when have to narrow out the field. for ted cruz, he's not helping.
kennedy: if ben is going to get -- if he's going to beat the republican nominee, how dose do it? >> am i mike murphy? i can't tell you. this man couldn't run for student council. the thing is. in the past people stay on. ben carson. the longer he stays in the more money he loses. not just for his donors but for himself. like president obama, now everyone thinks he's a dope. before he was an impressive guy. healing hands. nobody i know would ever let that man near them in an operating table. he's losing money. >> i don't think nevada is all that relevant.
i'm amazed ben carson inspired emotion in anyone. i think you are the first person to have been moved by ben carson. if the anti-trump people fall away, i think many people will just stay home. one of the reasons they are staying in, they are being personally attacked and humiliated. no man who is an alpha neal which is all these politicians are, including hillary, would want to admit defeat on national television. kennedy: maybe it will be marco rubio or john kasich. he has been on the defense after stirring up a call drofn d a caf feminist anger. >> we have an army of people and
many women who left their kitchens to go outdoor to door and put yard signs up for me all the way back when things were different. kennedy: they were different and women were in the kitchen. wasn't he trying to say women should go back in the kitchen? >> he was saying back in the kitchen, don't vote for me. they shouldn't have the vote. come on. i know what he's saying. i'm going to cut him slack because in a month no one is going to remember who he is. second of all, he kind of misspoke. but at the same time if you ask feminists what the 1970s were like, women were confined to the kitchen. maybe he's making a point women should agree with, that it was a crappy time in the 70s. kennedy: maybe women who made
that choice dayed home with their kids. i don't know why that's such an insult to people. to michael's point, in 1978. all the moms i knew, they were daying at home. >> trump has gotten himself immune to this gotcha politic. trump doubles down, he gives the finger and team rolls people. regardless of what you think about him. the republicans should take a page from his book. kennedy: the art of the deal? they should take a page from his book because the democrats will always play the race card and gender card. kennedy: should he have apologized? >> i understand what he's saying. i don't understand why it's such an insult. he has said earlier that would even were only coming to his
rallies to get taylor swift tickets. then we have the gloria steinem would even are only coming out to vote because they want to date men. people need to stop quantifying women. i'm done with yawn kasich in a lot of different ways. he need to get out of the race and he's not going to simply because of ego. kennedy: and ohio. he's running behind trump in ohio. kennedy: as a person from indiana -- >> i should like him, though, he's more moderate. kennedy: and he has tender hand. any neil cavuto will be anchoring fbn's live coverage. and i'll be there. don't miss a moment of it later
kennedy: this week in an interview bernie sanders chiepped in on pope francis and where he fits in politically. >> do you think he's a socialist. >> yes. >> what does it mean to be a socialist. >> what it means in the sense of what the pope is talking about and what i'm talking about, we have got to do our best and live our lives in the way that alleviates human suffering. that does not accelerate the disparities of income and wealth. kennedy: bernie, you are talk about buddhism. he's pick up more celebrity endorsement. deck vandyke is swing -- dick vandyke is swinging for the bern and spike lee.
tonight's letter is the letter "m" apparently. so is an endorsement from the pope far behind? >> in all seriousness the pope delving into american politics makes me wildly uncomfortable. people are saying his comment was taken out of context. i read the whole thing. he was talking about trump. bernie saying if you have faith and give to charity you are a socialist. he's rebranding socialist and brain wash an entire generation. >> the pope is socialist. he thinks every soul is as important as anybody else. and having medieval idea of the culture is kind of socialist and
religious at the same time. i don't think -- i think that bernie sanders isn't brainwashing people. they have been brainwashed by colleges and universities. >> he's right. kennedy: when he sells it so i am policd --so simply it's doina disservice. >> conrad bane for his support of john kasich. this culture killed him. the greed -- by the way, bernie, i have read the quote and seen the clip. he's subcarson amendent level.
kennedy: he's 94 years old. >> he was just asleep. but the pope is socialist. that's fine. the second thing is -- i have to also -- in the cold war he got involved in the country of poland. i don't mind it so much. it's not going to sway anyone if the pope says we shouldn't build a wall. kennedy: poland is a great developer of free market thinkers. >> the other thing to point out, bernie has been rebranding his own brand of socialism. he points out at every opportunity i'm a democratic socialist. when in 1980s, the thing about bernie, he has been consistent. he was praising nicaraguaal
every opportunity and he had a lot of converts to say cuba. and the other thing with sanders. miss forrically communists and social its are not in favor of religious. kennedy: there is news the government wants to get into more i phones than just that one in san bernardino. more on apple versus the f.b.i. judge napolitano with the latest on president obama closing guantanamo bay. what's he doing? pet moments are beautiful, unless you have allergies. then your eyes may see it differently. only flonase is approved to relieve both your itchy, watery eyes and congestion.
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kennedy: president obama released a plan for congress do shut down the detention facility at guantanamo bay. >> for many years it' been clear the detention facility at guantanamo bay does not advance our national security. it undermines it. kennedy: some of the gop are pouncing. >> don't shut down gitmo, expand it and let's have some new terrorists there. kennedy: here to react it's fox news senior judicial analyst judge napolitano. should the president shut down gitmo? >> i agree with the president's argument that it doesn't advance our national security or the constitution. it doesn't advance military or judicial objective whatsoever. it continues animosity and the representation in good and bad
parts of the world that it's a devil's island where people who are never prosecuted can never escape. in six challenges the bush administration lost 5 and the 6th one was dismissed. under the constitution the president is the chief jailer of anybody confined by the justice department and the defense department. he can move people around from jail to jail. he doesn't need congress' permission to do so. kennedy: this is different here. >> i think the president can close gitmo undercover of darkness. there would be tremendous fallout. you just saw senator cruz. i don't know if he meant what he said. it's probably a sentiment that
most republicans and some democrats experience. that it has saved us, it kept us safe. these people are not americans so they are not entitled to due process. for that view, history and the law are to the contrary. kennedy: for that view, what is considered to be the global war on terror is so vague it will be unending. that could be used as the justification for keeping guantanamo open indefinitely. judge napolitano: justice o'connor wrote nothing is more antithetical to the rule of law that a person be confined against their will, never see the evidence against them or charged with a crime or have the ability to be set free. law and treaties are to the contrary. i agree with the president.
this an observable fact, the federal courts in new york city specifically the joint terrorism task force which is a part of the nypd and the united states attorney's office has a stellar superb, extraordinary record of prosecuting people for kriepts of terror with respect to fairness and with respect to the outcome. far better record than some hard-working but frustrated military prosecutors have had at gitmo. kennedy: sitting in on these hearings that are constantly delayed, they are frustrating. attorneys are involved in the process. judge napolitano: 9/11 was nearly 15 years ago. khalid sheikh mohammad's trial has yet to begin.
a civil lawsuit by judicial watch against against the state department. this is the one that started it out. judicial watch is the reason we are learning so much about hillary. kennedy: they figured out she had the home brewed server. judge napolitano: correct. today a federal judge said i'm going to order testimony under oath from huma abedin. he said from the bench, pane african-american appoint yeef her husband to the bench, i want to know if these people have avoid and frustrated the slaw wit comes to the public records act. kennedy: he said he might compel those two. we have yet learned the fast it
those deleted emails. judge napolitano: if those testimony was in public you could do it at metlife stadium and there would be a line to buy the tickets. kennedy: let's get some box seats. very good. coming up. meet the world's biggest voting fish. it's not fat. and ace in space. clever hoax or dawn of the beginning of planet of the apes. seven. i just wish one of those people could have been mrs. johnson. [dog bark] trust me, we're dealing with a higher intelligence here. ♪ the all-new audi q7 is here. ♪
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some day he will be your doctor. thank you, obamacare. as tow naught mark kelly posted incredible footage today. we have been unable to confirm whether this is an actual gorilla or a space prank. was that costume just randomly lying around or does nasa randomly send up gorilla costumes? my guess is it's not a real ape. but an astronaut just monkeying around. let's see who is in there when they took the gorilla costume off. >> a fashion shoot in that airplane. another model towed away into space.
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it make me a horrible person to laugh. i accept that. if you would like to accept my invitation to send me weird stories, topical store, there it is. a new poll says a majority of americans side with the f.b.i. in it fight with apple over encryption. get ready to have your mind blown, america. dana perino is here with the dos and don'ts of boosting a lagging campaign. gary johnson just lost a biga libertarian endorsement. [ beep ] but you'll be glad to see it here. fidelity -- where smarter investors will always be. if only the signs were as obvious when you trade.
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welcome back. am and the f.b.i. locked in a battle over encryption. apple is fighting a court order to assist the f.b.i. in cracking even kripg programming. we learned today the justice department requested apple help investigators getting data from locked apple devices in 12 other unknown cases throughout the country. a new pew research poll says 51% of americans side with the f.b.i. 38% say apple should protect its code. so let's talk about the public. they are so wrong on this issue. >> i think the idea that this is to prevent terrorism, this trade-off of liberty for safety is something you can reliably count the american people to be
on the side of tradeoffs for safety. it's the idea, but the feeling of it. the interesting thing about this, i have the kind of per accepting that government could read and see everything. the fact that they can get into this iphone and reset the password is unbelievable to me that they are going to apple and saying we can't do this. kennedy: it's as though my mom is heading the f.b.i. investigation saying i think i locked myself out of the phone. i can't get in, what should i do. >> does your mom talk like that? >> no, she doesn't and she hates it when i do that. it doesn't represent her at all. >> my problem when it comes to terrorism in general is i don't think the youth is doing enough to prevent cyber-security and cyber terrorism. the american government should
put pressure on the geniuses in silicon valley. can you help us and put up a fire wall and track these people in a more sufficient way. part of the problem is we disagree on almost everything having to do with foreign policy so bear with me. there is an impression that the silicon valley doesn't care about national security and they are making so much money having their companies in america. i would like them to come up and step forward, mark zuckerberg and people from apple saying we understand your anxiety. if there i some secret code you can get into everyone's phone. i don't crust the government to handle my mail in the post office anymore. kennedy: i don't believe them when they say we just want to get into this one phone. there are 12 active cases where they are trying to compel apple to get into these locked phones.
>> they do see that there is a national security problem. it's the federal government. they want to get into he single phone. they are used to having that power. to watch the f.b.i. on tv say there is nothing we dock is beautiful. it's not that we are going to vote or rand paul who will make us free. it will allow people to have control over their own information, and according to roe versus wade it's a constitutionally protected right. >> if the government somehow gets a golden key to all apple products, all you have to do is encrypt it in a different way. there is plenty of third party encryption software not made in the united states that the government has no control over. the on thing you do, you do an end run around. the second this is publicized
apple is giving it key to the kingdom, you move to a different platform. kennedy: they don't want to set the precedent. terrorists know they are being surveilled. they know they are watching them. they won't even use the term "encryption," and the law will never be ahead of that curve. >> i think silicon valley could do more to quell my fears. kennedy: edward snowden shows how many times big companies like google, facebook and apple have complied with the warrants we know about. the number of times they complied are astronomical. when people learned about that they realized the their personal security was compromised. that's why apple was forced to
create more robust encryption. >> i don't understand why it can be that simple to just hack toib that one phone. if you want to read my emails and look in my phone 2367 i know you well enough. we disagree on that. it's not the same priority. kennedy: just because you give the federal government access to your emails, it doesn't mean it will negate the threat of terrorism. >> i'm not a terrorist. if you want your data to be public put your password up on twitter. i think the government reading my emails ... kennedy: thank you. we have dana perino here with the dos and don'ts of boost a lagging campaign.
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kennedy: republican hopefuls are getting palm beliefers from shake so many hands in nevada. what is the path to victory for the people lagging behind donald trump in the race. let's dive into the dozen and don'ts with dana perino, co-host of "the five" and former white house press secretary. your first do, you have got to
keep your team enthusiastic. when you have had second, third and fourth place finishes how do you do that? >> you heard rumors before the south carolina vote that some of the staff members on the jeb bush campaign were starting to get an andto -- get antsy. you are probably living paycheck to paycheck. so that kind of thing can sap energy out of a campaign. one of the ways marco rubio did that in new hampshire after his disappointing debate and came in fifth in the primary. he didn't blame anybody but himself. that makes a big difference for your team. if you are not going to be blamed, then you are more likely to feel enthusiastic. kennedy: and you have got to get your voters to turn out. there is a lot of territory to get to.
they didn't keep the rules of who voted in 2012. they have to start from scratch. >> campaign carolina reported typically turnout in a caucus in nevada is 10% which is dismal. i think it will be higher this time because there is more enthusiasm. millennials are enthusiastic to an extent. they might show up to the caucus and say what is this all about. donald trump has energized new voters, people who have never been to this process before. they did in iowa. kennedy: there are rural conservative voters senator cruz riled up. if those people turn out in droves, maybe 11% this year. >> i think what rubio and cruz will try to do, i don't think any of them will come in first in nevada. but i think they want to be closer to donald trump than they
have in the past. if you are cruz you don't want to see any distance between riewb ohio and yourself going into super tuesday. kennedy: getting third place even if it's within a percentage point, that's still a big loss. you say don't take unnecessary risks. is that an attractive thing for candidates to do when they are starting to fall from the pack? >> i think the cruz campaign moved too quickly putting out that stupid video and retweeting the video saying marco rubio made fun of the bible. instead of thinking for a second, they moved quickly which ended up causing a huge turmoil. to have your communications director fired the night before your caucus in nevada, not good. that's an unnecessary risk. kennedy: a lot of these people, they don't realize we have only
seen voting in three states so far. you want to remind people, don't forget that bill clinton. >> let's go back to bill clinton in 1992. he did not win a primary until mid-march. he came in second in new hampshire, and i remember deedee mires, the first woman ever to be press secretary. she told me how early on she decided to join his campaign. and she said her friends said rough crazy in he can't win anything. the path does look more difficult for candidates, especially carson and case. i talk to his guys and they have this theory. they have a path and it's an interesting one. kennedy: it will be a busy night, you will be up very late.
kennedy: welcome back. argue bit most libertarian member of congress endorsed ted cruz for president. it's a boon for ted, but not for gary johnson. governor johnson, 2016, libertarian presidential candidate. >> i don't take it as a snub. there are a lot of members of congress who are half libertarian. but they have a social agenda that prevents them from making
it the full monti. kennedy: do you think you will get some republican endorsements? >> i think donald trump will be the nominee. and i think he all naits more than half of republicans. so where do they come? the libertarian nominee will be on the ballot in all 50 states. kennedy: you have a process to go through. you have to be official think coronated. so how do we get you in the debates? >> we are suing the presidential debate commission. the contention is that they are a business. and that politics is a business and republicans and democrats have a monopoly and they collude with one another to exclude everybody else. the presidential debate
commission came into existence after ross perot did so well, and the league of woman voters said that this is a fraud being perpetuated on the american people and backed out of the presidential debates. that's the contention. what are the chances of us winning? they are zero if we didn't file. the contention being if you be garner enough electoral votes, 270 to be elected president, then you should be included in the national debates. in 2012 that would have included the libertarian party and green party. kennedy: i would like to see everyone on stage. this came up a lot during new hampshire. there is one mayor who was the mayor of ithaca in upstate new york and he endorsed the plan for needle supervision where heroin addicts can shoot up in
front of a nurse. they can get clean syringes and counseling and rehab. how do you feel about programs like that? >> bravo. when i was governor we had a conference in albuquerque. they say they when they catch up out with this program in zurich, he said i could not have been more opposed to it. he said i'm here at this conference to say that it worked. all these statistics got better. zurich is a much better place to live today and they voted to reup on this. it's harm reduction. kennedy: thank you for being here. now you have got a short with
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the white house. >> could that be? the white house does have a colorful past. it's nearly completed at the end of john adams' presidency. he moves in in november 1800, but stays only a few months. thomas jefferson spends two terms there before handing the keys to james madison. then british troops set it ablaze in the war of 1812. [ indistinct shouting ]mbol
of survival. >> by 1817, the renovation is almost complete and our fifth president, james monroe, moves in. a dozen years later, the seventh, andrew jackson, lets a drunken mob trash the place during his inaugural ball. maybe this poor piece of wood was part of the collateral damage. who knows? over the years, presidents come and presidents go, redecorating, repainting, and renovating to suit their individual tastes. then, in 1902, theodore roosevelt begins the first wholesale restoration of the mansion that he officially names "the white house." it's time to pick up the thread of this strange inheritance
story. according to mike meister, in 1902, his great-uncle, joseph williamson jr., is a law student at georgetown university in d.c. one day, he strolls down pennsylvania avenue, spots the piece of wood in a junk pile, and thinks, "it's pretty neat." >> joseph jr. picked it up. >> like a yard sale? did they buy it? >> no, it was scrap. i mean, it was things that were gonna be eventually hauled off to landfills, burned, whatever. >> he brings it home to illinois from law school and gives it to his father as a memento. his dad inscribes his name and writes the date on the back. the piece is handed down in the family to mike's dad, wayne meister, in the 1930s. where was it kept? >> it was in the basement of our house out in illinois -- a farm that my parents bought after world war ii. and it was hanging on a wall. i can remember being a little kid and asking my father what it was. and he would say, "that's a
piece of the white house." >> did you believe him? you're a farm kid in illinois, and your parents have a piece of a white house? >> when he said something, it meant he wasn't making things up. >> pretty cool, though it's just one conversation piece in a house that wayne and his wife, ann, pack with all sorts of gewgaws, knickknacks, and odd antiques. >> one of their hobbies was going to auctions and tag sales and finding things of value, and then, if they needed refinishing, they would refinish them. >> did they ever consider taking sandpaper or a paintbrush to that mysterious hunk of wood in the cellar? mike shudders to think. >> what if she decided, "this ugly old thing, i'm gonna strip the paint"? but she certainly never did. >> are you kidding? that could have happened? >> well, it didn't. >> in 1964, the meisters -- and a moving van full of antiques -- relocate to massachusetts. it's there, during christmastime in 1988, that mike, all grown
up, announces he's getting married. >> we had a family dinner to meet the in-laws. and my brother-in-law, larry forrest, was there. >> that night, mike brings larry into the attic. >> i said to larry, "i want to show you something," and i took him upstairs, and i showed him. it was in a moving box from 1964. >> they didn't even unpack it. >> no, no. >> mike pulled out a piece out of the box, and he said, "it's from the white house." and i go, "talking about d.c. white house?" he goes, "yeah." i was just stunned. if you asked somebody what's the most important building in our history, they're gonna say the white house. and here it was, sitting right next to me. >> did mike ask you to learn more about it for him? >> the more we got talking about it, we said, "let's find out where this came from." >> but it's just talk, and it will be for years. mike's dad dies in 1996, and his mom in 2001. only then do the meister kids
begin to deal with any of the old stuff their parents accumulated. did your parents leave a will? >> we had a trust. >> did they specify? >> not in that particular case, no. to clean the house out, to send things to auction, and sell it, it was probably a good three months. but we kept a lot of the things, too, that meant something to each one of us. >> one of the things they keep is that distressed hunk of wood. >> there was no way we were gonna sell that, because we didn't even know what it was. >> what you think it was? >> an architectural element from the white house. but we had no idea what. >> it's not until 2007 that brother-in-law larry forrest convinces the meister family they need to get some answers. and he takes on the role of lead investigator. his first line of inquiry -- the white house itself. >> i spoke to a gentleman, and i told him about what the family had. and after the laughter and telling me that that wasn't possible, i said, "we're pretty sure, it's written on the back,"
and so forth. and he goes, "it's probably from some other old building or whatever." >> but larry persists. his letters, his calls turn up nothing. then after two solid years, his search leads him to historian and author bill seale. >> i said, "can i just send you pictures?" so when he received them, he called me back and he goes, "i swear i've seen it." >> was it a eureka moment? that's next. >> but first, our "strange inheritance" quiz question. the current oval office was not built until 1934, when f.d.r. was president. the answer when we return.
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you pictures?" >> what was your initial reaction? >> well, i thought it looked suspicious. [ laughs ] and so, i didn't tell them much until i researched it. >> did you say, "ah, just leave it in the attic another 50 years. it'll be fine"? >> no. no, i was too curious for that. >> in fact, the meisters' photos have bill scratching his head. >> he called me back, and he goes, "i swear i've seen it." >> bill is remembering a particular photo from 1898, during the mckinley administration, that he used in one of his books about the white house. the photo shows a hallway called the cross hall. >> this is the cross hall. it's used a lot now.
started by president george w. bush. >> there it is. >> and this is that march to the east room. in those days, you had a grand staircase here. >> and then, suddenly, bill spots it -- off in the corner, between a chair and a potted plant. right there -- see it? look familiar? sure looks like mike's strange inheritance. and there it is, in the white house, in 1898, when william mckinley is president. >> and there is the plinth. it's the only one it could be because it's for that side. >> i'd never heard of a plinth. what is a plinth? >> it's a base of a column that runs up the wall. >> how many were there? >> well, there were four. they were in niches in the hall where originally built for stoves. >> do we know where the other three are? >> no, nobody does. >> never been seen. so now i'm wondering, how does the plinth get from that cozy corner in the white house to the meister's attic? well, in september 1901,
president mckinley is in buffalo, new york, at the pan-american exposition. he's shaking hands with the public, when an anarchist named leon czolgosz assassinates him. suddenly, vice president teddy roosevelt is sworn in. among his many big ambitions is a gut rehab of the executive mansion. >> 1902 was a major reshaping of the symbol of the white house into a more worldly time. america became more international, and the white house was redone to be compatible with that. >> t.r.'s goal is to return it to its original federalist incarnation, while clearing it out to accommodate a brood of six children and a pony. it also means separating the living quarters from our nation's most important executive offices. >> he moved the offices out of the family floor and built the west wing.
he reorganized the place so it wasn't just an old plantation house. >> to that end, roosevelt's architects rearrange the entrance, removing this stairway and these victorian tiffany panels from the cross hall -- as well as all that old ornamental woodwork, like the plinths. the workers pile loads of rubbish outside, and souvenir hunters snatch it up. >> there is one letter from theodore roosevelt, and he said, "people are scattering around for souvenirs." >> so bill seale is beginning to believe that the meister family lore about great-uncle joseph must be true. and that this hunk of wood really is a relic of the white house, going all the way back to 1817, when president monroe moved in after that nasty business with the british. were you interested in it? >> very. i was stricken by it, to tell you the truth. >> so, something that looks like wood or plaster is actually a
whole story, in and of itself? >> it's like dna. and the object has many, many things to say. >> and the next step is very much like a dna test. what they discover was that this strange inheritance was a lot more important and valuable an artifact than even bill seale had imagined. you're smiling. that's next. >> here's another quiz question for you. which amenity was added during the obama administration? was it the white house... the answer when we return. pet moments are beautiful, unless you have allergies. then your eyes may see it differently. only flonase is approved to relieve both your itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. complete allergy relief or incomplete. let your eyes decide.
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the family to have the paint analyzed. so mike and his brother-in-law, larry forrest, drive from boston to bryn mawr, pennsylvania, to meet with this guy, historic paint analyst frank welsh. >> he said, "you guys go out for a little while, i'm gonna do analysis on it, and see what i think." >> frank studies the paint layers with a magnifying glass, and then a stereo microscope, as he scrapes away each layer with an x-acto knife.
>> then i start recording, starting with the layer closest to the wood numbering layers -- one, two, three, four -- all the way up to the most recent. >> well, we got a call in about half-hour, and he goes, "this is spot-on." there's 17 layers of paint on this, there's three layers of gold leaf on it. he said, "there's absolutely, 100%, exactly what it should be for that time period." >> everything seemed to line up very, very well. i felt very comfortable that the paints that i was looking at could easily be as old as they felt the plinth was. it is very unique. >> as t.r. would say, "that's bully!" in identifying those 17 layers of paint, frank may be the first person to open the door to a previously unknown decorative history of the white house. author bill seale matches each paint layer with a chapter in presidential history. >> if you want accuracy in history, here's the real thing.
this is our only touch with those periods. >> bill does the math. there were 21 administrations between presidents james madison and teddy roosevelt. but three of them -- harrison, taylor, and garfield -- were exceptionally short due to death from illness or assassination. if the hallway isn't repainted during those presidencies, and maybe one president lacks the inclination to repaint, you've got your 17 layers right there. after generations of repeating their family legend, the meisters now know they spoke the truth all along. you went from rejection to respect. how'd that feel? >> we had solved a mystery. >> bill seale encourages them to donate the plinth on the spot to the white house historical association. they say they're inclined to, but first they need to find out what it's worth. did you have a number in mind that you thought it would be?
>> no. >> what about you, larry? you did all the running around. >> you could shoot real high on this one, just from the fact of how much historical value it has. >> and when the meisters get the appraisal, they'll have some thinking to do. that's next. what's your "strange inheritance" story? we'd love to tell it. send me an e-mail or go to our website -- strangeinheritance.com. ♪ i don't want to live with the uncertainties of hep c. or wonder whether i should seek treatment. i am ready. because today there's harvoni. a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. harvoni is proven to cure up to 99% of patients who've had no prior treatment. it's the one and only cure that's one pill, once a day for 12 weeks. certain patients... can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni. with harvoni, there's no interferon and there are no complex regimens. tell your doctor if you have other liver or kidney problems,
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>> someone with the money to buy it, or someone that wants to buy it and give it to a museum or presidential library. >> historian bill seale is hoping the meister family will cut out the middleman, donate the plinth to the white house historical association themselves, and take a tax write-off. but that's a lot to ask of mike and his three siblings, who could be looking at walking away with $125,000 apiece. are you gonna sell? >> we're having it put up for auction. i think in the long run, and i'm hoping, that it'll be appreciated by many more people than might have been with the white house historical association. >> the meisters reach out to bobby livingston at rr auction in amherst, new hampshire. >> when i first laid eyes on the plinth, i was like, "wow! it's spectacular." as someone who handles a lot of historic items, when you see something like 17 layers of paint, it tells a story.
>> he joins us live from new hampshire. >> next thing you know, the story is getting big media coverage, including on fox news. >> we've never, in 30 years, offered any pieces of the 1817 white house. because there's no, you know, photography from that era, it's incredibly important. we've had registrations from all over the world, so we expect the bidding to be quite lively. >> number 22 -- architectural ornament from the main hall of the white house. >> the meister family is on hand for the auction in boston in september 2015. >> $100,000, $100,000, $110,000. >> here we go. >> $120,000. looking for $120,000. >> the bidding starts to pick up a little momentum. >> $120,000, $130,000, $140,000. >> but then it just fizzles. >> $160,000 once, $160,000 twice. sold, $150,000. fantastic. >> it's nowhere near the half-million dollar appraisal,
though a $150,000 is nothing to sneeze at. and mike reminds us that it wasn't only about the money but sharing a neat piece of america's past -- just like his ancestor, who wandered by the white house one day in 1902 and thought to snatch up a souvenir to send back home. is this the best case of being in the right place at the right time? >> i believe it is, i really do. i think from what we've learned of it and what hopefully other people can learn from it, i think it's a living piece of history. >> so, who bought mike meister's strange inheritance? well, we know this much -- a fox viewer. all bobby livingston would say is that one of those watching him on fox news before the auction was so intrigued, he phoned in and plunked down 150 grand. if you're watching now, enjoy your piece of history. and, remember -- you can't take
it with you. i'm jamie colby. thanks for watching "strange inheritance." >> it stands in the way. >> it's just her house in the middle of the block. >> she won't sell out. >> the 84-year-old seen here turned down $1 million payout. >> he's caught in the middle. >> i promised her that i wouldn't let them take her away. >> that's a really big promise. >> what's "up" with that? >> people from all over the country and even around the world have stopped by this house. >> they put balloons on the andd
is one man's strange inheritance and a story with a hollywood ending. >> my name's barry martin. i inherited a tiny, hundred-year-old house from a little old lady. if there ever was a real-estate niche, this is one. >> hi, barry. i'm jamie. >> hi, jamie. nice to meet you. >> i meet barry in front of this little house. yep, this is it -- his strange inheritance. it's just 600 square feet, and it's now surrounded by a huge shopping mall -- a mall that the unlikely heir in this story helped build. >> who leaves this to somebody? >> well, edith left it to me. >> edith? >> yep. >> love to learn more. >> okay. come on. >> barry explains that when this house was built over a hundred years ago, ballard, washington,
was the shingle-mill capital of the world, with 20 mills producing 3 million shingles a day. >> there was fishing on elliot bay there, and the shingle-mill industry, all along shilshole avenue here. >> cass o'callaghan from the ballard historical society tells me more. did the neighborhood really change over the years? >> in about the late '30s, early '40s, the commercial district moved north and businesses moved out. nobody wanted to be here anymore. >> with the exception, that is, of edith macefield and her retired single mother, alice wilson. edith's early life is a bit mysterious. we know she was born in august 1921, and that her parents divorced shortly thereafter. during her 20s, edith disappears -- to england, she says, where she seems to have gotten married once or thrice. but, again, it's hard to tell fact from fiction. [ camera shutter clicks ]
by the 1950s, she's back in ballard, single, and working as a store manager for spic 'n span dry cleaners. edith buys this house for her mother and the two name it whitewood cottage. edith is able to pay off the $3,700 mortgage in just a few years. in her off hours, she babysits for next-door neighbor gayle holland. hi, gayle. you know why i'm here -- to hear about edith. >> i've got a lot to tell you. come on in. our street was very quiet and edith would play games with us. >> so she was older, but she loved to hang out with children? >> oh, yes. everybody liked edith. she would play her saxophone or her trumpet outside. we would sit and listen to her, and she'd let us blow on her instruments. >> what a character! they ask her about her past, and, oh, the stories she tells. >> i know she had a son who died of meningitis.
>> edith shares only a few sketchy details -- that the boy was born out of wedlock, that his father was jewish, that james macefield, a much older englishman, married her to help save the boy from the nazis. it's all very complicated. you see, edith was spying on hitler for britain at the time. is it all true? who knows? gayle just loves hanging out with her eccentric neighbor, until her family, like so many others, abandons the area. so, you left and edith stayed. >> yes. it was the early '60s when we moved away. >> in 1976, edith's mother, alice, passes away on the couch in the front room. not long after, edith retires and spends her days watching greta garbo videos and listening to big bands on vinyl. more and more, whitewood cottage stands apart -- her oasis amid
urban blight. by the '90s, homeless -- living in parked cars -- provide an edgy backdrop for the grunge-rock scene. but all the while, developers are slowly gobbling up edith's neighborhood, says real-estate broker paul thomas. >> each time a parcel came up on the market, they'd just quietly acquire it and let it sit in an llc, and they assembled the whole entire block, except for her house. >> it's in early 2006 when edith gets the knock at her door. it's a representative of kg investment management, which wants to put up a shopping mall. the developer makes a proposal they think the 84-year-old can't refuse -- $750,000! what do you think the house was worth? >> $150,000. [ chuckles ] it wasn't worth very much. >> edith could buy five whitewood cottages. even so, she does refuse the offer. and the bulldozers roll around
her. >> i have a picture when they tore everything down in the whole block and it was just her house in the middle of the block. >> reporters catch wind of the story and turn edith into a local folk hero -- a steadfast champion against yuppification, standing up for seattle's old neighborhoods, defying the encroaching chain boutiques, food courts, and those $6 lattes. that's how they portray edith. and that's exactly who barry martin expects when he becomes construction manager of the mall. how did you meet edith? >> i always go visit the neighbors and give them my card so that if they have any problems, they know who to get ahold of, and i walked past her yard and introduced myself. she was actually very pleasant and said she was looking forward to the activity. >> turns out, edith wasn't watching garbo flicks because she "vanted to be alone." that becomes clear with edith's
beauty-shop appointment. she needs a ride, so she calls barry. not exactly what he was thinking when he dropped off his card, but what the heck? he drives her. they get to talking. >> a lot of people thought that she was against development, and that wasn't the case at all. it was more she just didn't want to go through the exercise of having to move. >> indeed, edith actually makes fun of the anti-development types, who, among other things, are trying to get landmark status for the local denny's. edith's view -- things get built, things get torn down. that's the way of the world. it wouldn't be their last car talk. soon, barry's co-workers call him "driving miss daisy." could you rattle off for me some of the errands you were asked to do for her? >> i would take her laundry out to be done. we would go get her lunch. i would take her to all of her doctor's appointments. >> she didn't pay you. >> no. she just needed it. >> you're not a saint.
>> nope. >> but his wife and two high-school-age children surely have the patience of job, when barry spends more and more time at edith's. >> i made her meals three times a day, seven days a week. on the weekends, basically, i'd stay there, and if not, then i had made sure that somebody else was there. >> barry isn't there one night when edith falls and lands in the hospital with broken ribs and a platoon of social workers insisting she should no longer live alone. then tag-teaming executives from the development company show up again with a deed ready to sign and another big fat check. >> they offered her $1 million and actually offered to buy a house for her in ballard and she refused that, also. >> $1 million for a little old granny and a new house in her neighborhood, and she says no. >> yes. >> what would you have done? >> i would have probably taken
the money and had somebody fanning me with big feathers and feeding me figs. >> the 84-year-old seen here turned down $1 million payout. >> it just adds to the edith macefield legend -- a story that can't help but go national. what's infuriating barry is that he believes he's cast as one of the black hats, trying to manipulate old edith into selling out. the truth, he says, is just the opposite. >> i promised her that, um, i wouldn't let them take her away and that she could stay there and die in her house. >> that's a really big promise. >> it is. and it became a lot bigger deal than, you know, i had originally anticipated. >> that's next. >> but first, our "strange inheritance" quiz question -- where was america's first indoor shopping mall built? the answer in a moment.
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>> she had a lot of stories to tell and she never really finished a story. >> but, boy, the way she drops names, you'd think she's forrest gump. like hitler -- she met him several times, ended up in a concentration camp, and was sprung by the fuhrer himself. benny goodman -- her cousin, she claimed -- he gave her her clarinet. tommy dorsey, the band leader -- once, when he was short on cash, she bought his sax. mickey rooney -- she taught him dance steps. and so on. barry has one thought -- edith's a wack job. >> i was thinking "crazy old lady" for a while.
>> but in the winter of 2007, edith's health suddenly declines. just as suddenly, the construction manager finds himself doing things he really never signed up for -- helping edith shower, use the bathroom, take her medicine, including insulin shots. a big question occurs to barry -- what happens when the mall is done and he moves to another job? what happens if edith lives to 100? that won't happen. in april 2008, edith is diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. she declines treatment and, knowing she'll soon need someone else to make her decisions, gives barry her power of attorney. it's a big responsibility. did you really want it? >> i didn't really want it, and i didn't really understand exactly what all it meant. >> uh-oh. >> yeah, uh-oh. i said, "do you understand the power you're giving me?" and she said, "why do you think i chose you?" >> did you know all along that you were going to get that house? >> no. i didn't know until after she
asked me to become her power of attorney. then she said that she wanted to redo her will at that same time. >> barry's a bit sheepish, knowing many suspect him of angling for the house from the beginning. but that's her wish -- like her desire to die on the same couch as her mother three decades earlier. and on june 15, 2008, death does come -- as a friend -- to whitewood cottage. >> i promised her that i wouldn't let them take her away and that she could stay there and die in her house. >> does it make you emotional? >> it does. >> why? >> um... because i got to help her end her life the way she wanted to. >> the little house in the big mall is now barry's.
but soon he'll discover that, thanks to a hollywood blockbuster, edith macefield fans will claim it as their own. >> there were people out on the sidewalk taking pictures and leaving little notes and putting up balloons with messages on them. >> that's next. >> here's another quiz question for you. you've met barry martin, the construction manager in this story. the answer after the break. pet moments are beautiful, unless you have allergies. then your eyes may see it differently. only flonase is approved to relieve both your itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. complete allergy relief or incomplete. let your eyes decide. flonase changes everything.
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okay with you selling it? >> oh, yeah, and she told me to hold out until i got my price. >> what did you sell it for? >> i sold it for $310,000. [ cash register dings ] >> what did you do with the money, may i ask? >> paid for my kids to go to school. i invested the money and got money back monthly, and it made my house payment. >> that's not nothing. plus, barry says the new owners planned -- in the spirit of "up" -- to raise edith's house 20 feet off the ground and make a public tribute to her below. but they run out of money, and the house falls into foreclosure. >> what was your role in all this? >> i was hired by the bank to sell the house for them. >> the bank includes a provision in the face of pressure from local community groups who want an homage to their folk hero. >> one of the terms of the sale was that each person was required to memorialize edith in some way. >> 38 offers come in, but it's the 39th that wins --
at $450,000. [ cash register dings ] the buyer? the same folks who offered edith $1 million years before -- kg investments, now the manager of the shopping mall. they plan to knock the house down, eventually. so, ultimately, edith's house went to the organization that wanted to buy it all along. >> well, it's kind of neat in a way because she got what she wished for and the shopping center ended up being able to buy the property at a lot lower price than they originally had offered. >> will they do anything to remember edith? >> the ownership has committed that they'll put up a brass plaque that memorializes edith. >> it will be just one more way the ballard community pays tribute to its folk hero. there's also an annual edith macefield music festival. ♪ you can even get a tattoo of edith's house with the legend underneath -- "steadfast." for the heir in this "strange inheritance" episode, that's further proof edith was
misunderstood. maybe even, he'd discover, by himself. >> you must have learned an awful lot about edith once you started to go through her things. >> i learned a lot more than she had let me know. that's next. what's your "strange inheritance" story? we'd love to tell it. send me an e-mail or go to our website -- strangeinheritance.com.
>> now back to "strange inheritance." >> barry martin doesn't just inherit edith macefield's home, but everything else she owned. >> wow, you must have learned an awful lot about edith, once you started to go through her things. >> i learned a lot more than she had let me know. >> and enough to question whether all her stories were as wacko as he once thought. >> did she have a vivid imagination, or do you think most of it was real?
meeting hitler or being a spy. still, it dawns on barry that the most valuable thing edith bequeathed to him could be her story -- now his. >> i had an agent contact me about writing a book, and she actually talked me into doing it. >> you ever write a book before? >> no, never written a book before, and she got me a ghostwriter, and we did it that way. >> what's the story? >> the story is basically about edith and myself and our little adventure and then the lessons that i learned. >> "under one roof" gets barry a
$75,000 advance from the publisher. and that's not all. >> actually in the process of making a deal with fox searchlight. >> did you ever think you'd be making a book and a movie about all this? >> no. i just about fall down on the floor laughing because it's hysterical to me. >> i think it could work. i'm picturing a "driving miss daisy" type of guy meets a female forrest gump and they go on a real-life "up" adventure. and definitely got to give john ratzenberger the lead. there's a scene in the movie "up" that sounds exactly like one edith might have had with barry. carl fredricksen, the man whose house the real-estate company wants to buy, says to the construction foreman, "tell your boss he can have my house." "really?" asks the foreman. "yeah, when i'm dead," growls carl and slams the door. i'm jamie colby for
>> my name is florence sasso. my great-great-uncle archibald mcmahon was a member of the 1860s atlantic nine baseball team. i inherited this card from my mother when she passed away. >> hi. i'm jamie. >> hi. i'm florence. >> heard you have a great story and a very strange inheritance. also heard you're a new york girl. >> yes. >> i'm from queens. >> i'm a brooklyn girl. >> uh-oh. 75-year-old flo lives alone and runs an electrolysis business from her house. what a lovely home. she explains that fate has handed her a very unusual inheritance in the form
of a 2 1/2-by-4-inch antique baseball card. oh, my goodness. is this what i think it is, florence? may i touch it? >> sure. >> look at the players. 1860. >> before the civil war. >> and a relative of yours is in here? >> my great-great-uncle archibald mcmahon is in here. >> which one is he? >> we don't know. it hasn't been identified. >> well, can you make a guess on which one he might be? is there any resemblance to you or your parents? >> no. i couldn't figure it out. i was just looking at the ears, because that side of the family had big ears. >> who were the brooklyn atlantics? >> i think it's the oldest baseball team in history in brooklyn. ♪ >> at least one of the oldest, says ed elmore, captain of today's incarnation of the brooklyn atlantics. so brooklyn atlantics started when? >> they played a long time. they were recognized
as the best team of the 1860s. >> baseball before the civil war? you can look it up. the first officially recorded game is actually played in 1846. and within 15 years, the sport is on the verge of a boom. these guys practicing today in long island, new york, use the same rules and equipment as old archibald did back then. was pitching different? >> the first 40 years, actually, of baseball was underhand pitching. for the first 20 years, if a ball was caught on a bounce it was an out. it was thought of as a gentlemen's game at the very beginning just by who was playing, not necessarily by how they played. >> so who is archie mcmahon? a butcher in brooklyn is about all flo knows. that's a sign of how organized baseball is evolving and becoming more democratic. it's no longer just a game played by wealthier men -- doctors, lawyers, and bankers.
and although flo can't identify which one of these gentlemen is that great-great-uncle on her father's side, we can i.d. couple of his teammates. at far left is chris smith. two men to the right is shortstop dickey pearce, who's credited with inventing the bunt. looks like a straitjacket. baseball uniforms have really changed over the years. i can see why. got to love this cap, though. take me out to the ballgame. so this is the bat. i see they're not playing with gloves. what about the balls? >> well, i have just the man to talk to for that. wild horse. >> wait. wild horse? >> that's his nickname. he runs the bases with wild abandon. >> you make those? >> i start with a rubber center, two cords of yarn. everything was handmade. >> ready?
>> all right. >> really? oh, no. no gloves. aah! oh. it didn't hurt that bad. have you heard of the name archibald mcmahon? >> he's listed in the roster of the 1860 atlantics. actually, he played center field, and he batted third. so that's an indication that he was one of the better hitters. >> after the 1860 season, however, he becomes a bit of an enigma. he may have played for a pro team in manhattan, but census records after the civil war show him working as a butcher in san francisco. after that, his only appearance in the public record is a mention in the 1928 obituary of his younger brother, john, a civil war veteran. >> in the obituary, it talks about his brother, how he loved baseball. >> the obituary reads, "he had a picture in his home of the original atlantics team,
of which his brother, archibald mcmahon, was a member." when they mention it in an obit, you know the card is a true family heirloom. flo's father, joseph, is 17 years old when his uncle john dies. it becomes his strange inheritance. but it's his wife, mildred, who keeps it safe in their brooklyn home. >> my mother had had it in a fanny farmer box in a secret drawer in a piece of our furniture. >> when florence grows up, she moves to massachusetts, gets married, and then divorced. over time, the family is drawn back together by old age and illness. eventually, flo convinces her parents to move up to massachusetts and live with her. >> the fellow i was dating at the time was an architect, and he designed an addition for us. >> how much did that cost? >> $125,000. >> did you have that money? >> no. i had to remortgage the house. >> flo's dad dies in 1995.
her mom, mildred, inherits the card. mildred is well aware flo has gone into debt and wishes she could help. but it never strikes her that she has the means until great-great-uncle archibald comes up in a genealogy class at the senior center. so he suggested that that card could be worth what? that's next. >> but first, our "strange inheritance" quiz question. who in 1888 declared baseball "the american game"? queen victoria of england, indian chief sitting bull, or poet walt whitman? the answer in a moment. was engineered... ...to help sense danger before you do.
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in a candy box and takes it with her when she moves into flo's house in great barrington, massachusetts. but neither she nor her daughter knows which guy in the picture is uncle archie. what'd she tell you about it? >> she said, "put this in with your genealogy." >> in the spring of 2015, flo's been digging into their family background at the free genealogy program at the local senior center. so do you bring the card to show the class? >> i brought the card to the senior center. he said, "oh, my god. it's perfect." >> "he" is volunteer steve strommer, who runs the class. >> my interest in genealogy started a long time ago. but it's taken on a life of its own, and it's pretty much an obsession. we couldn't find too much on archibald. but that was a very old card. and she said, "how much is this?" and i said, "well, i'll see
if i can find out." >> are you thinking to yourself, "i really have something valuable here"? >> yes, i did. >> especially after steve spots on the internet an 1865 brooklyn atlantics card. it had gone for $92,000 at auction in 2013. florence's card is five years older and may be even more valuable. >> i used to wonder, "why do people jump up and down when something exciting happens?" and here i was doing that. >> pushing 101, flo's mother, mildred, isn't quite jumping up and down. but if she can help pay off the addition flo built for her, she's definitely up for some moneyball. florence, who has no children to pass the card on to, is game as well. that's when steve strommer suggests contacting an auction house. on your behalf? >> yes. he made the connection. >> i was just, you know, doing my job, just trying to facilitate getting this card in the right hands.
>> strommer takes the photo home, scans it, and sends it to chris ivy, who specializes in sports memorabilia at heritage auctions in dallas. >> when the first e-mail came in with images, i showed it to one of my other experts. and we thought, "it looks right from the images, and we are looking at a very significant piece of baseball history here." the photo was in good shape. and the overall condition of the card is very strong. >> of course, it's not exactly the kind of card later generations will collect with bubble gum and wax packs. >> there was no bubble gum involved with this card, no. i don't think bubble gum was around, actually, until the early 1900s. it's considered a carte de visite, a cdv. >> a carte de visite, or cdv, was more like a business card or a souvenir handout at a time when photography was still a novelty. >> i think it was because they were the champions of the league and were proud of that and wanted something to commemorate it. >> while chris and his team
evaluate the card, florence feels steve's way off base. he's taken control not only of the process but the card itself. i think this next part of the story goes under the heading "don't mess with a girl from brooklyn." >> was he looking for a piece of the action? >> he was looking for piece of the action, but i didn't know that. i went down to his house, and i said, "my mother would like to have the photograph back." and he said, "oh, it's safe with me." and i said, "no, and i'd like to give you some money for the work that you did at home." and he said no. >> if there was any disconnect, it was with flo, who, i guess, wanted to know if i was going to charge her anything. and she kept asking me quite often, you know, "keep track of your hours." >> i said, "just give me back the picture." >> and then, she would say, "i have to talk to my lawyer," and all of that. and i said, "fine with me." >> you had to get that card back. >> yes. >> that's next.
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and given it to steve. it may be the oldest baseball card in existence. and he's researching its value. but it appears to florence that he doesn't want to give it back. >> you went yourself to the gentleman's house to get it? >> yes. he really wanted to hold on to it. but i didn't trust him with it. >> so essentially, he was trying to help you. he just wanted to be paid. >> yes. >> i may have half tongue-in-cheek, half joking, said, "well, i'm your agent. 10%." but i wasn't really gonna charge her with that. >> you didn't want to pay him. >> i was going to give him a generous gift. but you're not allowed to give them even five cents if they're a volunteer of the town.
>> at this point, both steve and florence learned that town employees may not receive additional income from their official duties. >> the interaction that was going on about being reimbursed was prior to my knowledge about the ethics of town employees taking money. >> so steve gives the photo back to florence. having benched steve, she reaches out herself to heritage auctions. a representative flies to massachusetts to bring the card in for authentication. heritage shows up at your house. >> within 24 hours. >> but while the auction house gets to work, flo's mother is admitted to the hospital with pneumonia. >> may 13th. she was 100 and sound of mind right till the end. and every night, she would just say, "thank you for taking care of me," and then a big smile, and she'd say, "did we get the money yet?" >> later that day, mildred sasso passes on. and what may be the world's oldest baseball card is now
florence's strange inheritance. it doesn't take long to confirm the card is real. >> given the fact that it was in florence's family for nearly 160 years, that's great provenance. and provenance is always key. >> the 1928 obituary of archibald's brother, john, provides a crucial piece of evidence of the card's authenticity. >> that newspaper obituary noted that john was an ardent fan of baseball and he had an original photo of the brooklyn atlantics. so that obituary was referring to this very card. >> remember the 1865 brooklyn atlantics card that sold for $92,000? that kind of money would go a long way to paying off the debt flo incurred when she took in her parents. is her card in that ballpark? chris ivy thinks it is and knows exactly where to find out. >> one of the big ones. this was a family heirloom.
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recently went for $92,000. an extra 40 grand would really help. in july 2015, enthusiasts from around the country gather in chicago for the national sports collectors convention. >> $9,500. now to $10,000. where are my cubs fans now? >> the highlight of the auction -- flo's 2 1/2-by-4-inch strange inheritance featuring the pre-civil war brooklyn atlantics. >> one of the big ones. this was a family heirloom. >> how proud are you when you see your family card in a catalog? >> everybody was so excited because they didn't know about baseball before the civil war. >> and it was a bit of brooklyn that you could bring to this town. >> that's right. >> you can follow the auction online, but florence is having computer problems. even so, she feels the same nervous anticipation palpable in that room. >> earliest known team card that we're aware of. what do we have for lot 009?
>> $70,000. >> $70,000. this is gonna go big. $70,000. now to go to $75,000. >> from the start, the bidding is fierce. >> we've got captains of industry and people that are millionaires, billionaires. it's just people that have a passion to collect things. >> $85,000. now to bid $90,000. $95,000 to you, sir. i go you. $100,000. now to $110,000. >> like a sandy koufax fastball, the bidding quickly blows away the $50,000 estimate. >> $110,000. now to $120,000. this is really a smithsonian-type piece here. $120,000. now to $130,000. >> most collectors go into a live auction with a game plan. but you can get enthralled with the moment. so, you know, throw caution to the wind and start bidding. >> $130,000. now to $140,000. $150,000. now to $160,000. you want $155,000? you gonna walk away for five grand? $150,000. i've got it right here. who's gonna beat him? $150,000. anyone else? $150,000. bid $160,000? who's gonna beat him? anyone else now? anyone else?
to white. $150,000. [ applause ] thanks very much. >> after the auction house commission is added, it brings the total to $179,000. and the winning bidder? >> a well-known 19th-century collector, but he didn't want to be revealed. >> the good news comes to florence from a surprising source. >> how'd you learn about it selling? >> steve, the genealogist, was following it on the internet. >> i saw the very end of the bidding for the card. and i called up flo right away and said, "this is great." >> and he called to say it was sold for $179,000. >> that beats flo's wildest expectations. >> i was just hoping to clear my mortgage, actually. >> so basically, the money that you'll get from your family card will help you defer the cost of taking care of mom and dad. >> almost to the penny. >> are you resolved now that whatever happened
in the past is the past? >> absolutely. >> it worked out okay? >> i'm very happy. >> so is steve strommer, that he and flo are friends again. >> we're like brother and sister, basically. you know, she comes in. we'll go through a little bit of genealogy, find what happened to archibald mcmahon. >> and maybe someday they'll even figure out which one of these guys really is old uncle archie. so what ever became of the old brooklyn atlantic dynasty? up until 1869, all the players were amateurs. two years later, the national association of professional base ball players was formed. but the atlantics couldn't afford the cost of the new league, so they didn't join. some of their best players took a walk and signed up with pro teams. i don't get to walk. i got to hit the ball. all right. let's send one down the pike. let's see what you got.
oh. i'm jamie colby for "strange inheritance." and remember -- you can't take it with you. >> a brilliant young architect designs this gem... >> tony! oh, my gosh, look at all this light! >> ...long before he's a legend of design. >> pietro belluschi. innovative architectural designs. they evoke the grandeur of this land. >> his kid becomes an architect, too. >> i didn't want to be "the son of." >> it's a blessing and a curse. >> and that's what i went through for 40 years. >> will he let his father's masterpiece face the wrecking ball? >> did your heart stop? >> absolutely, my heart stopped. >> or breathe new life into it after he's gone? >> before your dad died, did he tell you he was proud of you? [ door creaks ] [ wind howls ] [ thunder rumbles ]
[ bird caws ] >> i'm jamie >> tony's asked me to meet him here in downtown portland. >> hi, jamie. how are you? >> i usually meet people in their homes. why have you brought me here? >> i'd like to show you a building my father designed. >> that building is the 12-story equitable, one of america's first glass box towers,
built back in 1948. >> it became one of the most iconic buildings not only in portland, but in the country. >> tony's father pietro would go on to design and work on hundreds of landmark buildings, including new york's pan am building, the bank of america tower, and st. mary's cathedral in san francisco, new york's juilliard school of music, and the zion lutheran church here in portland. and like so many american success stories, this one begins with an immigrant determined to make the big time. a native of rome, pietro belluschi arrives in portland in 1925. three years later, at age 28, he's already the chief designer at the a.e. doyle architecture firm. >> he of course would work for 15 hours a day in order to prove himself. and he just kept getting raised and raised and raised.
>> in the late 1930s, pietro begins designing homes around portland featuring locally sourced materials, such as spruce, fir, cedar, and stone. his twist on regional modern architecture -- structures that harmonize with their natural settings -- is instantly acclaimed. >> i was very much impressed by the woods and the wildness of the surroundings. >> he became almost like a pioneer that knew more about the local materials than the people who were there and took them for granted. >> in 1948, the same year pietro finishes the equitable building, he completes this house in portland for the well-to-do burkes family. >> how innovative was that design for the time architecturally? >> very innovative. the combination of the use of woods, the overhangs, woven wood ceilings,
cork floors, large floor-to-ceiling windows -- he was applauded in many magazines, including ones from italy. >> pietro considers the home his favorite residential work. soon enough, the talented architect, now a husband and father of two sons, is on the map. in 1951, m.i.t. in cambridge, massachusetts, appoints him its dean of architecture. around the same time, he begins grooming tony in the craft. >> he was my mentor, and therefore i got to know his architectural vocabulary and philosophy better than anyone. >> pietro retires from m.i.t. in 1965, but he's still in demand. boston's one financial center, the meyerhoff symphony hall in baltimore, and many more.
>> he became an international celebrity. >> do you remember feeling that your dad was special? >> i kind of picked that up when i was in college, and he was the commencement speaker. and i said, "whoa." >> it's a blessing and a curse. >> and that's what i went through for 40 years. >> and therein lie tony's mixed emotions over his strange inheritance. he becomes destined to receive it when his father, probably sitting at his boston drafting table, gets a long-distance call from portland. it's mrs. burkes, owner of that home he'd designed 25 years ago and never forgot. the widow tells pietro she's putting it up for sale. >> he flew out and agreed to buy it on that spot. >> that's how much it meant to him. >> absolutely. >> it's 1973 when pietro and his second wife, marjorie, return to his beloved oregon
to live in the house he designed as a young man. but his son tony, who's just starting his own architecture career, wants nothing to do with it or portland. >> i said, "i need my own space, and i don't want to be within a thousand-mile radius of my father and his practice. >> why not just ride his coattails? >> because i had to make it on my own first. i wanted to earn it myself. i didn't want to be "the son of." >> in portland or boston, he's pietro's kid, so tony settles in chicago. with the last name belluschi, in the second city he's more likely to be confused with this guy than his own father. over time, tony builds up an impressive portfolio -- cleveland's galleria at erieview in 1987, and the american airlines terminal at o'hare airport in 1988. >> did you eventually establish yourself separate and apart from your dad's legacy and reputation?
>> that's, uh, been a lifelong pursuit of mine. >> but the son will soon come to think about his famous dad in a new light. >> for once, i was able to make the decisions without his input. >> and a father finally reveals his true feelings to his son. >> how'd it make you feel? >> um, sad, because he couldn't say that in person. >> a lot of dads can't. >> i understand. >> that's next. >> but first, our "strange inheritance" quiz question. in addition to being an architect, frank lloyd wright was also well known in what other field? was it... the answer when we return. my school reunion's coming fast.
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>> loved the house. absolutely, he did. >> and over the years, pietro and his son tony often discuss renovating it. >> he and i sat down and actually did some drawings together about how to add a second level onto this house. >> but the father/son project never materializes. son tony is too busy in chicago, expanding his portfolio, while pietro continues to receive high praise for his work, even into his 90s, including a national medal of the arts, bestowed by president george h.w. bush in 1991. >> pietro belluschi. innovative architectural designs. they evoke the grandeur of this land, particularly the pacific northwest. [ applause ]
>> in 1994, pietro passes away at the age of 94. his life's work includes over 1,000 buildings. his widow, second wife marjorie, tony's stepmom, continues to live in the architectural masterpiece in portland. but by the early 2000s, the home has fallen into considerable disrepair. that woven wood ceiling in the bedroom is coming apart. the roof is leaking. it's a mess. marjorie begs tony to come back to portland and fix it up. but portland, and being compared to his father, is exactly what tony has avoided for his entire adult life. >> i was always of the theory that you can never go home. >> tony agrees to fix the roof, but focuses mostly on his career, adding to his
impressive list of designs, in chicago and around the globe -- france, turkey, saudi arabia. after marjorie dies in 2009, tony and his brother peter inherit the house that meant so much to their father. but what to do with the old, neglected home? the brothers bring in some real estate agents for a market evaluation. >> were going through the house with several realtors, and one of them kind of said to me in a low tone, "you know, this house is a possible tear-down." >> did your heart stop? >> absolutely, my heart stopped. i looked at her in total disbelief, and in that moment i said, "over my dead body." >> you weren't gonna let it happen. >> absolutely not. >> so tony buys out his brother and dedicates himself to restoring their father's cherished home to its former glory. >> was it that special?
>> it was that special. and that's when i said, i must commit to it. >> but once word gets out, tony feels some unexpected heat. you might think local preservation types would rejoice that pietro belluschi's very own son was coming to the rescue of his work. not exactly. peggy moretti is executive director of restore oregon. >> there are a million things that can get mucked up when you tackle a historic renovation. you always worry about, good intentions don't always translate very well. >> tony's intention is to come up with a design that honors his late father but satisfies his own creative vision. it calls for some spiritual collaboration. >> i channeled him the entire time i was working on the house. what do i do, and what would he do? >> but guess what? after consulting with his father's spirit, tony recognizes who's boss.
>> and we had a meeting of the minds and did whatever i felt was the right -- for once, i was able to make the decisions without his input. >> by the spring of 2010, the restoration is in full swing. it's an exhausting process for both tony and his wife, marti. >> we lived and commuted from chicago. every two weeks i flew out here for two weeks and went back to chicago. >> in september 2012, after two long years and $935,000, the work is finally complete. >> i've put so much of my blood, sweat and tears into this house, probably more than he did to build the original house for the original client. >> coming up... >> oh, my gosh, look at all this light. >> i take the grand tour. and tony's career takes an unplanned turn. >> here's another quiz question for you. built in 1902, macy's flagship store in new york was the first
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adding a bedroom, garage, art gallery, and he replaces his father's shed with a new guesthouse. but god is in the details. and today, i get to see the final product. >> oh, my goodness, this is a kitchen i could make magic in. >> well, this is a completely reborn kitchen. everything had to go. the original one from the '40s ended right here, was only this little alcove here. >> and of course tony rehabs that woven wood ceiling in the master bedroom. >> no way! that's real wood? >> this is real wood. >> [ gasps ] >> it's made up of cedar, spruce, and hemlock, and it was woven together
very carefully in place. >> i want this. >> tony's updates dovetail with the timeless elements conceived by his father 65 years before. >> the fireplace is magnificent. >> this was part of the original design. it's the same stone my father used from this stone wall out here, and so he tied the outdoors to the indoors. >> it's so beautifully done. well, it looks to me like you own portland. this is some view. >> this is why we call this the magic place. you never get tired of looking at this. >> i wouldn't. what would your dad say if he saw this place today? >> he would like it a lot better than the way it was when i inherited it. >> really? >> i don't know anybody who doesn't love this house. >> count peggy moretti among local preservationists no longer worried about what tony might do to his dad's house. >> pietro left a mark here
in the northwest. he's a very special legacy, and tony added his own mark on the place in a perfect kind of way. >> her group even honors tony with an award for restoration excellence. >> how proud are you to own this house? >> well, it's a dream come true in many respects. >> it's a gift to see it. >> well, thank you. >> so that's the end of my tour and of tony's "strange inheritance" story, right? not so fast. for tony, as it turns out, this was just the beginning. >> i didn't plan to do this. i wanted to have my own quiet life. >> next, the surprising twist tony never saw coming. >> what's your "strange inheritance" story? we'd love to tell it. send me an e-mail or go to our website...
commutes from his chicago home to portland to renovate his strange inheritance, this beloved architectural gem designed by his father, pietro. he ends up in a good place, the one he never expected. >> i've sold my practice in chicago, i've moved here. >> you think you'll ever decide, "i made a mistake"? >> absolutely 110% no. this, all of a sudden, is not my father's house. it's our house. and to me, it's something that has become part of us. we don't want to sell it, and it's not going to be on the market as long as i'm breathing air. >> he won't likely be hurting for work anytime soon. turns out the owners of other homes his dad designed are now calling him. >> it's very, very important to sort of protect the legacy and the stewardship of these homes. >> beginning with aric wood,
who lives in the first house tony's father ever designed, back in the late 1930s. this one, too, falls into disrepair. >> we restored it to the new, just like it was in 1938. >> tony really was able to channel his father's thinking about the house. i wake up every morning just amazed at the solace of the place. >> the phone doesn't stop ringing. >> people come to me thinking maybe i can help them with their project, help them restore a house. i didn't plan to do this coming back to portland. i wanted to have my own quiet life. but it doesn't exist here. >> what's the next step? where do you go from here? >> now our big project is the pietro belluschi resource center. we hope it'll become a place where people will come to portland to study pacific northwest mid-century modern. >> that is a real, professional way of further enhancing
the legacy of my father. >> such a paradox, this "strange inheritance" tale. an architect, the son of one of the profession's dazzling stars, keeps far away from the long shadows his father cast. for only once he makes his own name can he turn to what may be his life's most rewarding work -- preserving the legacy of the legend now departed. >> before your dad died, did he tell you he was proud of you? >> he did. in fact, i have a letter he wrote. he expressed himself in writing a way he couldn't in words. "dear tony, i don't think i've ever told you how proud i am of you, how pleased of your obvious qualities of spiritual awareness, of your sensitive attitude towards people. your loving father."
>> how'd it make you feel? >> very happy. very fulfilling. um, sad because he couldn't say that in person. >> a lot of dads can't. >> i understand. but i also loved him and understood him. the older i got, the more i realized how valuable a mentor he was to my life. >> pietro once declined to build in a wooded area near m.i.t. called the pines. asked why, he replied, "we could never design a building as beautiful as the trees." that inspired the tribute tony designed for his dad after he died -- this bench along a trail not far from the house that became tony's strange inheritance. check out the plaque. "we never could design a building as beautiful as the trees." i'm jamie colby.
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