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"strange inheritance." thanks so much for watching, and remember -- you can't take it with you. [ bat cracks, crowd cheers ] there because lou dobbs has the first-ever fox business network poll coming right up. . lou: good evening, everybody, i'm lou dobbs. speculation running rampant tonight after donald trump held a surprise sitdown with the republican national committee chairman. that meeting comes two days after trump abandoned the rnc pledge to support whoever is to be the nominee, by both accounts. the meeting went well. trump tweeted, quote -- the chairman and mr. trump had
a productive conversation about the state of the race. meeting and phone conversations with candidates and their campaigns are common, and will increase as we get closer to november. i just bet they do get more common. but the rnc is also signaling it may be preparing for a brokered convention. they've launched a new website, it's called convention facts dot gop, it lays out the party's rules for nominating a presidential candidate. also tonight, brand new fox business polls on the state of the race in wisconsin. i'll have the numbers for you here in just moments. and we'll take a deep dive into trump's campaign schedule. trump promised to campaign in wisconsin every day until next tuesday's primary. >> wisconsin is very important. it's becoming more and more important. we can get there, we have a movement going on this. is so important what's happening now, and i'm here for the week, and i've got a lot of
stops. lou: a lot of stops and one of them out of town. trump spent the day in washington meeting with the rnc as i said, and his foreign policy advisers, other private meetings as well. in fact, trump won't return to wisconsin until saturday. we'll talk about whether that's too little too late with former reagan white house political director ed rollins. former presidential candidate governor mike huckabee are guests here tonight. also fox news military analyst general jack keane will be joining us. breaking news, brand new fox business news poll out on the state of the race in wisconsin. ted cruz holding a strong lead in wisconsin, holding 42% of likely republican voters. and in the fox business network poll, trump trails at 32%, kasich in third place, 19%. donald trump struggling to win over female conservatives, he's
a full 19 points behind ted cruz, but he's also well ahead of kasich. trump does best with independent voters in wisconsin. he holds an 11-point lead over cruz and kasich who tie at 26%. and trump holds a huge advantage in states voting after wisconsin. in his home state of new york, the republican front-runner leads kasich by 37 points. that, the real clear politics average. trump holding a strong lead in pennsylvania and connecticut ahead of their primaries, april 26. joining me now to go through some of these numbers and more, former reagan white house political director, republican strategist ed rollins, nice to have you. >> nice to be with you. >> what do you make of the numbers first in wisconsin. >> wisconsin is key, winner take all in the sense that you win each congressional district, eight congressional districts, three delegates, you win the district, you win that.
so his campaigning in all -- lou: winner take most. >> ends up winner taking each congressional district, 24 and another 18, whoever takes the state takes those. you could blank trump if you do it correctly or he could pick up a congressional district or two. lou: you seem to be discounting him as possibly winning? . >> i don't think he's going to win, this poll matches several other polls. that doesn't mean he's not going to win in new york and plenty of other places. >> just wisconsin? >> this may deny him the majority at this point in time. if cruz runs the table here, trump and cruz have a majority of the delegates combined. lou: right. >> a majority of the delegates can block any rules, and the rules are chosen by a rules committee two, from each state, put rules out, vote the rules up or down, and the rules can be as presently states if you don't get a majority in eight states you can't be nominated.
john kasich would not be nominated. lou: you think they can prevent the so-called rule 40 b eliminated by the rules committee. >> prevent it or put it in. if they're smart, if they have a majority of the delegates, they should control that process, i would be very surprised if they didn't attempt to do that right from the beginning. lou: what about the idea this is all orchestrated by the republican national committee, the gop elites and establishment to move everyone into these increasingly narrow channels where they can't get a majority, can't get the 1237 delegates, and open the opportunity for congressman paul ryan of wisconsin to step in. >> if they do that, not only blow up the party, probably lose the senate. definitely lose the presidency and paul ryan loses speakership. so my sense is that would be a very foolish strategy. lou: foolish? we got you, but now want to go to the next level. is there anything in their behavior that suggests that foolish would stop them?
>> yes, i think at this point in time, they know they've got a bronco by the horns and going to get bucked bigtime if they're not careful here. i think trump, kasich and cruz control this process because they're still in it. the only guy who may play a little bit is rubio who has delegates. lou: i love the fact he's asking to keep control of his delegates. why would they accede to that request? >> you get on control your delegates until they release them for the first ballot. if the state where he won says they have to stick with him for one ballot or two ballots, he gets to keep them. lou: he gets to keep them through one? what can he do with that? >> keep somebody else or make a deal. the truth of the matter is if this goes to a second ballot, goes to a third ballot, they are all opened up and anybody can win after that. >> as we look at numbers to see how well trump is doing with independents, it's striking.
and it really does speak to his ability, if he can get to the general to be an attractive candidate against hillary clinton. >> we don't want presidential contests unless we take a majority of independents. the history of george w. bush, the history of any of our candidates. what you have to have is 90%+ of the republicans, and his problem right now is republican women, 47% say they'll never vote for him under any circumstances. he somehow has to get the base back, and he's losing among women in wisconsin. lou: you know, one of the people who has big problems is paul ryan himself. he's got net, net unfavorables. we also look at mitch mcconnell. he's got terrible net unfavorables. i don't see why, since we witnessed trump correct his unfavorables to a margin, a significant margin. but, nonetheless, just a
margin, why could he not do that with women or whatever. >> he has to work on it. he needs to focus how do i bring women back into the fold. lou: your question whether he can focus, adapt and change his direction. >> he better, that has to be a strategy. strategy every day has to be how do you solidify the base and get people back into the game. lou: you know what people didn't notice today? people didn't notice that donald trump wasn't out talking. we'll show you more images, he's in big old black suvs, running around town, meeting with the national security, his national security advisers, meeting with the rnc. this is good stuff. >> good stuff. that's the positive stuff. seven, eight months into a campaign, you expect a candidate to be pretty up on substance, and he needs to do that, work on that. lou: reload as they say. >> right. lou: thanks so much. ed rollins, as always, great to have you here. the fbi today announced it will help an arkansas prosecutor unlock an iphone 6
and ipod that may contain evidence in a murder case. those devices belong to two teenagers accused of killing a couple in conway, arkansas. this development comes two days after the fbi acknowledged publicly it had cracked the iphone of one -- used by one of the san bernardino terrorists, what we don't know is whether the fbi will try to get into the devices in arkansas the same way the device from san bernardino. either way, it's not good public relations for apple to have the federal government easily cracking their clients' iphones, while apple is begging the fbi to tell them how they did it. not a good day for tim cook and apple and their iphones, which seemingly, the whole world uses. turning back to presidential politics, we've noticed a double standard when it comes to how senator ted cruz and donald trump are
covered by the mainstream media. apparently it's okay for cruz to joke about violence against donald trump, listen to this cruz on jimmy kimmel last night. >> i dislike obama's policies more. >> i see. >> but donald is a unique individual. [laughter] >> will say i was watching the early part of the show, and if i were in my car and getting ready to reverse and saw donald in the backup camera -- [laughter] >> i'm not confident which pedal i would push. lou: cruz's comments haven't generated an iota of controversy or outrage, but these did. >> the people, my people are so smart, and you know what else they say about my people, the polls, they say i have the most loyal people. did you see that? where i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot people and wouldn't lose people. it's incredible. lou: both men obviously joking.
two very different reactions by the mainstream media. did i say mainstream liberal media? we're coming right back with much more, stay with us. donald trump moving on from his abortion comments to supporters standing strong. >> i don't think he was prepared, i don't think he saw that one coming. it was a messup but to say he hasn't thought through the abortion issue is a stretch. lou: governor mike huckabee on trump's latest comments, meeting with the rnc and the campaign ahead here next.. and this stuntman's fearless cliff dive leaves little room for error. little room for error. we'll have the exhilarating at ally bank, no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like bill splitting equals nitpicking. but i only had a salad. it was a buffalo chicken salad. salad. you can't breathed. through your nose. suddenly, you're a mouthbreather.
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have your job if you weren't beautiful. >> do you believe in punishment for abortion? yes or no, is it principleed? >> has to be some form of punishment.
>> for the woman? >> yes, has to be some form. lou: i'm guessing donald trump may take back some of the nice things he said about the services of planned parenthood. the ad will be running in swing states such
as florida and ohio as well as the nation's capital. next guest says trump's remarks on abortion were terrible but the media made the issue much bigger than it truly is. joining us former governor of arkansas, former republican presidential candidate mike huckabee. governor, great to have you here. what's your reaction when you watch that planned parenthood ad, attack ad, that we just put up? >> it's just exactly what you would expect them to do, they're going to go after something trump said that he later walked back, and as i said, when he first said that, well, yeah there should be punishment for the woman. it was terrible he said that, but he fixed it, he recanted from that, and yet, you would never believe that he made a
mistake and fixed it. a democrat can say something ridiculous and it may take them weeks or maybe they never fix it and never get the kind of attention that donald trump has received. it's very unique. lou: contrast that to the treatment in the media, for example, hillary clinton, i mean, it's extraordinary. think about president obama talking about 57 states. hardly a mention by the national media. so with the double standard, he's waging a battle against all, all quarters in our society and our body politic, isn't he? >> well, he really is. and it's interesting that chris matthews will just press donald trump to the wall over that part of abortion. i want to know when is he going to ask hillary does she really believe that late term partial-birth abortion is morally okay?
that right up until the very moment of birth, it would be okay to abort the baby. that is a position that is way to the left of most of the people who consider themselves to be pro-abortion. they don't go as far as hillary. why hasn't anyone pressed her on that? i'm waiting to see chris matthews have that conversation with hillary. lou: that's going to be quite a wait, as you well know. trump naming his national security team, moving chris collins and congressman duncan hunter into his legislative co-chairs. what more does he need to do to get himself on the, if you will, the path to righteousness, show people he is leading now and not being reactive to -- first of all, i don't understand why he sits down and bothers to talk with the matthews and all of these left-wing hosts who are going
to do him absolutely nothing fair? >> you've made a very important point, lou. donald trump has been willing to take on whether it's msnbc, or any of the networks, he will sit down, talk to people that he knows aren't friendly to him. he went on the wisconsin radio station with a host who had nothing good to say about him, but he went on anyway. he never gets credit for that. hillary clinton goes 117 days without holding a news conference and she never gets in trouble for it. so you asked the question, what could he do? frankly, not a thing, because there are people who aren't interested in what he says or does. they're just scared to death he might be the nominee and might win, and for those in the washington political inner circle, that means that their unabashed play party would be over. lou: your best counsel to donald trump at this point, a
few days away now from wisconsin, getting ready to move into far more friendly trump country, if you will, new york, all of the eastern states, nearly all of them. >> well, he hasn't called and asked for it, my advice to him would simply be talk about your vision for the country. don't let people get you down into the tit for tat stuff. there's no winning there. but focus on what caused people to support you, and that is your focus on immigration and jobs and the way the economy has mistreated a lot of the working class people of this country, and when he sticks to that, you know, it doesn't matter what people say about him. lou: and, you know, his use of america first, that resonates with me. how about you, governor? >> it does. look, i wished it didn't resonate so well with people. i'd like to have been the front-runner, instead of sitting in a chair talking to
you tonight. lou: you'd have still been talking to me, i'm sure, governor. >> i would have, absolutely. not as somebody commenting on other people running. lou: i got you. >> i have to hand it to him, he's done a masterful job of connecting with the frustration in america because they say the orthodox conservatives, the orthodox republicans, and what that has done for them, it's taken their paychecks, pensions, futures, and everything, their hopes and dreams for their children, and they're ready for something completely different, and you really can't blame them when you look at what's happened at the hands of the political establishment. lou: governor, always good to have you with us, appreciate it. governor mike huckabee. >> thank you, lou. lou: good to see you. breaking news now, california governor jerry brown will sign a bill creating the nation's highest statewide minimum wage, $15 an hour by 2022. california lawmakers today approved the hike, that will happen over the course of the
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. lou: a few thoughts now on donald trump's campaign, five days until voters in wisconsin go to the polls. 42 delegates up for grabs, and trump is trailing cruz now by ten point, according to the two most recent polls. the latest the new "fox business network poll." just yesterday. the donald stressed the importance of the state at a town hall meeting. >> wisconsin is very important. it's becoming more and more important. we can get there, we have a movement going on, it's an incredible movement. this is so important what's
happening now, and i'm here for the week, and i've got a lot of stops. lou: today trump was in washington, d.c., won't be back in wisconsin until saturday. he announced his house leadership committee chairs and held private meetings today, first with recently announced foreign policy team, and headed over to the republican national committee for an unscheduled meeting with chairman reince priebus, that meeting lasted just under an hour, after which trump tweeted -- the rnc described the meeting as a, quote, productive conversation about the state of the race. isn't that exciting language? productive meetings. it's unclear what exactly the two men talked about, but the meeting is curious, it comes after what it been a bad week for his campaign, the national
liberal media and opponents, trump is moving on from correction gaffe and still in the campaign narrative. can you imagine? still in command of it. not one of his opponents has been able to seize the campaign agenda. trump owns it from international trade, illegal immigration, radical islamist terrorism, infrastructure, middle class jobs, outsourcing, the wall and, of course, foreign policy, which trump has branded as america first. today, a hopeful day for his supporters. they saw trump going into action, talking less in the videos of his power conviews of black suvs rolling through washington, giving mr. trump the image of a leader in motion. one who's refreshed, refocused and one hopes reloaded, leading the gop national agenda. these are the perfect optics for the candidate who must project himself as the leader
from here on in this campaign. our quotation from the evening from thomas hucksly on the rough-and-tumble of presidential politics, demonstrations and raucous rallies, in defense of truth, if you will, justice and the american way. he said this -- and in this campaign, we are watching the very life of truth. we're coming right back. . a new attack ad by a governor kasich super pac calls ted cruz lyin' ted. where did we hear that before? kasich going back on pledge for a more civil tone, will the rougher rhetoric help his flagging campaign. we take it up with rebecca berg and mark simone here next.
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rebecca, fbn, the most recent poll, cruz with another ten-point lead, what do you make of it? >> well, it's shaping up to be fertile territory for ted cruz in wisconsin, and i think we're seeing a few things happening here, lou, first of all anti-trump forces starting to have an opportunity to coalesce around ted cruz and john kasich. what we've seen for example in this "marquette university poll" in wisconsin they had a poll that showed donald trump at 30%. the poll this week showing him still at 30%, and the 31% in february who supported candidates who are no longer in the race, divided now between ted cruz and john kasich. anti-trump forces are coalescing and seen the results of a series of missteps for donald trump this week. looks like that is starting to chip away at his support there. lou: one of the missteps that rebecca is referring to as the abortion comment he made
yesterday. the campaign immediately corrected it, and i was fascinated to listen to the liberal media in particular today just try to regurgitate it, keep it going, whatever desperately hold it over until the end of the week. mark, what do you think? >> first thing i did, i checked the new york penal code. in new york, if women is involved with illegal abortion, it's a year in prison. that's already a law in the books. trump is in the opposite situation of hillary. hillary says the right things and prays you don't find out the truth. trump stumbles but as the truth that comes out, this is a man that does not hate women, he's not for putting anybody in prison. more the truth comes out, the better he does. why every time he gets hit like this, he ends up going up ten points in the end. lou: do you agree with mark, rebecca? >> i don't think we're seeing that anymore, that he is now finding more support when there is controversy necessarily.
that the stage, we're seeing his support is definitely sustainable. that he has what you could call a floor of support no matter what he says or does. but we're at a point in the race where there are so few candidates that it actually does matter for trump in terms of growing support, when he says these things that are controversial, perhaps offensive. >> he's doing so well, it's a major news story that he might lose a state, wisconsin, you're supposed to lose one once in a while. lou: i'll be honest with you guys, i never understood how he is supposed to win in wisconsin. it is a liberal state. scott walker has unique politics, the speaker of the house hails from wisconsin, he is by some hailed as a conservative, for the life of me, i can't figure out how he is worthy of the label conservative. reince priebus, the head of the republican national committee hails from there, but the state itself is liberal, is it not? >> yeah.
>> but you also have, look at michigan, lou, where trump did very well, because he was able to appeal to the white working class voters who propelled his campaign through many of the states, and if you look at politicians in michigan on the republican side, rick snyder is certainly not someone i would think of as being in the trump mold but trump was able to nevertheless to happen to the voters of that state. lou: minnesota is a better analog to wisconsin. mark, what do you expect to see trump do from here? >> well, he's going to get 500 delegates to wrap up this. i think he'll do it. he's great at the rust belt states, won michigan and new york, he'll be huge in new york. cruz doesn't have a shot at second place in new york right now. lou: rebecca, you get the last word here? >> i agree new york is great for donald trump. i don't want to only go by public polling, because that can be a little unreliable, if you look at public polling
through the right now, and if you look at the demographics in new york, donald trump is going to do very, very well there. >> if you make it here, you can make it anywhere. >> that's what i hear. lou: rebecca berg, mark simone, thank you so much. breaking news, the chicago police department just confirmed that eight people were shot this afternoon in the span of just seven minutes. that was in three separate incidents. more than 700 people have been shot in chicago so far this year. that is a 71% increase from this time a year ago. and 135 people have been killed in chicago. a 71% increase over last year. what is going on in chicago? be sure to vote in tonight's poll. the question is --
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a u.s. official tells fox that two terrorist prisoners will be transferred this weekend to an undisclosed country somewhere in africa. last month, president obama promised again to eventually close the prison. 91 detainees are being held there. joining us former army vice chief of staff, fox news military analyst, general jack keane. it is great to see you here in no, always great to see you, even greater to have you here in person. good to see you. >> good to be here, my hometown. lou: let's start with guantanamo. is this president trying to turn it over to cuba? >> well, i think he probably has that in the back of his mind as the final coup de grace giving a military base to them that they desperately want back, and certainly the detainee situation itself. he's obviously emptying out gitmo to get down to a small number and likely will try to federally transfer those to
prisons or military prisons in the united states, against the law that congress has passed that forbids that activity. lou: is -- i just shake my head, even after 7 1/2 years of experiencing this, thinking that this is the commander in chief, the president of the united states who ignores laws, doesn't enforce laws, does precisely what he wants when it comes to showing executive fiat as if he were some sort of dictator in a third-world country. it's truly remarkable and look at 4200 troops being now moved to the quote, unquote eastern front of -- not yet a front, but the eastern frontier of europe, to bolster our presence, military presence against the ambitions of vladimir putin. they don't even square up, tell us what you think. >> strategically it's a step in the right direction, putin is very assertive, very aggressive.
i think he has a strategic aim to break the back of nato and would likely start with the baltic nations which are pretty vulnerable, they have russian-speaking minorities there. he has pushed up to his border, lou, a lot of forward-deployed combat troops. what we have there right now is one combat brigade and another combat brigade is what the other 4200 represent. it's only what i said, a step in the right direction, this is far from what i actually need to have a deterrence. lou: i have to say to you, donald trump his thoughts about nato resonate with me because the alignment here is peculiar. nato made up principally of u.s. troops, mostly u.s. money supporting it, and the european nations are not reacting to the threat posed by vladimir putin and we are the ones again moving to the point in this
case on the eastern border of europe. >> europe does need u.s. leadership. make no mistake about it, mainly because the europeans have been feckless for almost 30 years now, and the other problem i have with them in terms of the nato response, we obviously have terrorism that's spreading across europe, and nato is not stepping up to deal with terrorism in the whole sense that it's an act of war against a nation state. they are accepting it in pre-9/11 status that we did in this country, where it is a criminal activity where people are brought to justice. if they used all of nato's resources, all the intelligence apparatus, i think we can get a much better response. lou: and at this juncture, can, as you look across the entire globe at the threats, the challenges of this country, militarily, geopolitically, that can be moved militarily, do you think that we're going to succeed in getting through the remainder of this
president's term without significant conflict? >> i just don't know, lou, all i do know is we've been in the most dangerous situation that i've seen in a generation, and the reality is we've got three revisionist powers, iran, russia and china are seeking some form of regional domination in succeeding and radical islam is a global jihad movement and expanding rapidly, violence is increasing, the frequency of the attacks are increasing, deadlier, they've gone from 3,000 in 2010 killed to close to 30,000 in 2015, absolutely remarkable, and we're looking at radical islam is not an existential threat against the united states or against our allies in europe, and obviously, it is because they want to acquire wmd, and if they did, we know for a fact they would use it, and we're not doing anything to push back on that global expansion of
radical islam. lou: at this point, we can pray, cross our fingers and hope. that's about where we are. general, great as always to see you in person, here in your hometown. good to see you, general. >> good seeing you. lou: up next, five female soccer superstars who aren't getting paid what they think, they think it's wage they think it's wage di at ally bank, no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like grandkids equals free tech support. oh, look at you, so great to see you! none of this works. come on in.
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lou: the producers of "hamilton" is under fire tonight. a casting call read "seeking non-white men and women 20s and 30s for broadway. " the words non-white. but it has critics claiming the ad is race it and illegally so as well. joining us, two of the best attorneys in the business. great to have you with us. what were they thinking on broadway? >> i don't think they consulted their lawyers. perhaps they don't have lawyers. maybe they don't have lawyers. let's look at this from a different perspective and from
the artistic integrity of the show. not from the color of the show. i thought possibly we would need to it the fact that writer had the idea to create the cast in non-traditional and non-white roles to make a certain point. if that is, that would have been the proper way to present the casting, saying as we respect the writer and we respect the home integrity. we want people to understand we are looking at all but we prefer people of color to join. for it only to be people of color -- lou: let's look at the women's soccer player because this is a critical issue in the midst of all that's going on in the world. the women's national team wants parity with the men's national team.
women draw a bigger fref knew, men have a bigger audience, slightly, it's not a lot. what the heck is going on? >> the projected revenue for 2016 is $23 million for the women and $21 million pore the men's team, and -- lou: attendance is 32,000 for the men and less than that for the women. lou: i can't find a pay scale that makes any sense because they have so many different metrics. i don't see in the suit a claim for specific parity. >> we haven't even gotten to the suit yet. they want to file the suit. lou: can you show me anywhere that they can articulate any metric that makes any sense about pay? >> they haven't had a chance to do that yet.
lou: then why are they suing? >> they make 40% less than the men, and that's they are sure of. lou: they are sure of that? then they are not reading the scale i am. i went through this with our producer on this segment. it doesn't make a lick of sense. it's the more arcane bunch of nonsense you have ever seen. both men and women. reporter: they are saying we are doing the same thing. lou: do you want them to sue or not. >> they need to go forward and look at what's going on here. lou: i'm moving on to am and the justice department. the f.b.i. cracked the iphone, now tim cook is having a little hissy fit.
he and the the f.b.i. to tell him how they did that. this is the same fella who wouldn't help our f.b.i. protect us against terrorists. what do you think? >> i think am doesn't have a monopoly on genius. too bad, tim cook. geniuses don't exist just inside the apple walls. they figured it out. they figured out how to crack the code because they want to help the f.b.i. prevent another terror attack. lou: tim cook needs to be told to go where? >> it's a family show so we can't say. but now the f.b.i. is helping in try to solve a double murder case and good for them. lou: tim cook will stand, i believe, there will be a bunch of of libertarians that will have a fit. but his irresponsible built as
the ceo of am is heinous in not helping protect americans. i find that case deplorable. >> in the san bernardino case the phone wasn't even owned by the terrorist. lou: it' never appropriate for a corporate citizen as well as any individual citizen to turn his or her back on the public interest. thank you very much. >> we have it all here. lou: our online poll. 464% say if donald trump is the nominee the republicans have no chance of winning in november.
that's it for us tonight. steve forbes among our guest tomorrow. thanks for being with us tonight. good night from new york. kennedy: it's our last show of the week. i'm watching vigilante billionaire fighter bernie sanders go from popular socialist outlier to worp shipped demi going. as he loses ground, his devout fors further lose their grasp on reality, and instead of giving into political depression, they are embracing sanders as a cult icon, their lust preserving him in the unrequited next after what could have been. bernie supporters put together a