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♪ good morning, everyone. i'm maria bartiromo. welcome to "sunday morning futures". the race for the white house shaping up as a nail-biter. polls show donald trump and hillary clinton are neck and neck. what numberings are saying about the electorate right now and the challenges both candidates are facing. plus, will interest rates go up? where are the jobs? all eyes on the federal reserve as we await their decision. we're speaking with the president of the san fran fed live. long lines at tsa security checkpoints across the country with the summer travel season fast approaching. we're looking ahead on "sunday
morning futures." the general election looking like it could be a nail-biter. donald trump becoming the presumptive republican nominee earlier this month allowing him to consolidate support. hillary clinton is still battling bernie sanders for the democratic nomination even as she looks ahead to the general election. a new poll this morning shows she may have her hands full with donald trump. it finds the two candidates are in a statistical dead heat among registered voters with trump favored by 46% and clinton favored by 44%. newt gingrich joins us right now. mr. speaker, always great to see you. thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> look at the democratic side of the race and it's getting even more interesting. and close than the republicans were over the last few months. what do you make of these new polls? >> well, first of all, i don't think they signal a really close race by november. i think if you look at the trend
line, they signal that trump will probably consolidate and hillary will probably continue to stag nature and the odds are pretty good trump will win, like 1980, by a surprisingly big number. this country's had a long, long time to get to know hillary clinton. she cannot build a base that works. people don't believe her. that's actually getting worse, not better. of course, she has a real civil war. everybody said republicans were going to have a problem. bernie sanders just endorsed the primary opponent of the chair. sanders is committed to going all the way to the convention in a really bitter fight. i think the democrats will be shambles by the end of the summer. i think younger reform-oriented democrats either won't vote or vote for trump and that poses a huge problem for hillary. >> there were some pretty good op-eds this weekend and peggy noonan's op-ed in "the journal" said hillary clinton/bernie
sanders ticket. could you ever seen that ticket? >> i don't know what that would get you. bernie in the send, what's he going to say, i didn't mean all these nasty things about how corrupt she is and dishonest she is? jack kennedy picking lyndon johnson in 1960 could be an example. my hunch is she's looking for a latino, looking for the next generation, a younger person. but she's in a real problem because sanders turns out to be serious about his values. and i think he's getting angrier and angrier and he has nothing to lose. i think the fact he just went into a congressional district in florida to endorse the opponent of the democratic national committee chair, he's playing for keeps. he's not playing for second place. >> isn't it extraordinary we know the number one issue for voters is economy and yet hillary clinton is talking about everything but that. even last week when she basically said, i'm going to put
my husband in charge of the economy because he knows how to do that was such a -- was such a window into the fact that she really does not know what to do. if we go back to the '90s and we remember you, newt gingrich, and your contract with america and we know what that led to, including a balanced budget, including huge job creation, she's basically admitting, i have no idea but bill did it, and he led it, and he'll do it again, even though she's all the way to the left and she has already told us what she wants to do. >> that's a problem if you're a liberal. you can be a liberal in a really hot economy because there's enough wealth, enough income, enough jobs. but if you get a weak economy and you look at what liberals stand for, the fact their tax policy keeps money outside the united states, the facts their trade policy allows jobs to be exported, their belief in big bureaucracy, even if it kills small business, you look at all those things together, there's not much she can say in detail
about the economy and, frankly, when you have someone like donald trump who has made billions of dollars because he understands business, getting in a brawl with him on the economy would be hopeless. i don't quite get what she's saying about bill. does this mean she's going to go to funerals and play the vice president? i thought that was one of those weird moments she had a throwaway line she couldn't resist. >> i think so, too. i thought she was trying so hard to keep attached to him when it comes to leadership on the economy, even though she's talking about raising $1.1 trillion in new taxes, talking about building on obamacare, which is one of the key reasons businesses are not hiring and she's talking about reigning in business and raising taxes. but she's slamming trump's foreign policy in a new ad, newt. what do you think that will do in terms of confidence in his foreign policy? >> i think all trump has to do is say, she wanted to get rid of
gadhafi, look at the mess libya has, she wanted to reset the foign policy, they took russia and crimea and now in syria. that was a disaster. her policies have consistently failed. this is one of her real challenges. she can't go back and tell you it was a great success because it wasn't. you could say, yes, she has a lot of experience but it's experience of losing. it would be like taking the last coach for the atlanta braves who got fired and say, at least he's got experience of leading a losing team. her policies have failed. and i think trump -- i listened to him on "fox & friends," i think trump is very prepared to debate whoever is ready for foreign policy. >> that 15% tax rate he's talk willing about, you have to believe that will create a boom for the stock market and, perhaps, move needle on economic growth. 15% corporate tax rate, newt. i know there are questions about how he pays for it, but he says
once he moves the needle on economic growth, that partly pays for it. >> it clearly does. that's what happened with reagan, and that's what happened with us when we cut capital gains tax that led to a boom in 1990, by the way, against most democrats. if he gets down to 15%, you have about $2 trillion locked up overseas that's going to come rushing home to be invested. that's an enormous boone for the american economy. trump will be as tough on regulation as taxeses and regulations kills more small businesses today than taxes do. i think you'd have a very small business renaissance under a donald trump presidency. >> now we see that the republicans are coalescing around him. as a result partly because of that. real quick on the vp search. he's got a meeting with bob corker as this decision is looming. who do you think is on the short list, newt? i know we've spoken about you as well. >> i think bob corker would be
terrific. he certainly knows foreign policy as chairman of the international relations committee. he came out and praised trump's speech on foreign policy. he's a very good former mayor, very successful businessman. he'd bring a lot to the ticket. i think they should look at tim scott, the senator from south carolina, who is very, very popular, very widely liked in the senate has a real possibility. i think the governor of oklahoma, mary fallon would be, again, be a possibility. trump has a lot of people to look to. truth s he is going to win the election. he needs to look at who will help him govern because the vice president won't be key to wing the elections, donald trump is. i think he's looking widely. i think he ought to be careful and go slow because this is his first really big decision now that he's a nominee. >> for sure. newt, always a pleasure to speak with you. thanks much. newt gingrich is the former speaker of the house and author of the new book "rediscovering god in new america."
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>> united states welcomes aagreement today for cease-fire in gaza. >> it will when it's appropriate. >> fox east middle east terrorism and adviser to donald trump's campaign. sir, thanks for joining us. >> morning, maria. >> what did you think of that ad? >> that ad is fantastic. it's going to open the path for mr. trump to respond and his campaign about what reset button in russia. crimea was open. what has happened in syria, in libya, in egypt and iraq. if you have the whole hour i'll be here to name all these countries. >> so you're saying, sure, she has experience but she has a long list of visits and meetings and activities in terms of
foreign policy that were failures. >> if the list is what counts, then senator mccain would have won over senator obama in 2008, right? and/or president clinton was the one who won in 1992 over somebody who was eight years in the white house, president bush 41. what you have done with that time and what others are talking about today. >> how will that resonate for people? what do you think donald trump needs to do to make the case that he, in fact, would be better on foreign policy? >> number one, obviously, he is moving from the primaries very quickly. quicker than what we saw to the national election. there will be statement, there will be speeches. he had a speech. in that speech he had many points to be clear. frampbl, the arab muslim world reaching out during the time they collapsed during two terms of the obama administration. during time, there will be debates.
i'm looking guard to those debates over the summer. >> what about the temporary ban on muslims. what about his commentary on mexicans. is this going to hurt with those groups going into the general election? >> well, look, when we talk about an interim ban on muslims or a community that is a suggestion and told the bureaucracy would find an answer to simpree hadjihadi, and those syria and those who are refugees in sinjar mountain or darfur, when we make that comparison, believe me, most arab muslims say, we understand the united states needs to take care of themselves but we need foreign policy that will take care of us here at home. >> you think it will resonate with americans of all strifes because his words are fighting for americans? >> look, americans today are not like 25 years ago, 30 years ago.
they have social media. if you see what the debate happening there, how people are reacting with people, multiple communities, people are very smart. they understand. they look at the results, partnering with muslim brotherhood was not a good idea. the iran deal that was an important part of achievement is a disaster. the iranian people were abandoned in 2009. the gulf is not very happy with our foreign policy. if we go over that list after achievements, i think there trump will have an edge. >> it's really interesting. certainly the iran deal was pretty much most americans were against it. and here we have a deal that most people are saying needs to be either restructured or done away with. let me ask you about the international reaction, the communities away from the united states. who wins on that? >> well, of course, those who are supportive of the clinton/obama foreign policy are going to be supporting and we see it in their media worldwide.
the left movement in europe that's supportive of it. everybody else, ask majority of russians or people in the balkans or majority of egyptians, the largest arab sund sunni country, ask them about what they think, just translate that and you have your answer. >> we haven't really heard donald trump talk about that reset in russia. is is he going to be using this on the campaign trail given that she's now pushing her experience as one of the reasons that she believes she'll win? >> well, let's remember that mr. trump is finishing the primary. he finished the primaries and getting ready for the national election for the convention on the one hand. on the other hand, you have a secretary of state, of course, with all her travels and meetings, but then when the debate will begin, it has to be about the subjects. not about if i had tea with the queen of england or not. it has to be, what did we do in
syria, not 20 years ago? >> i think he's ready for that? >> just by naming all these crisis and proposing, then you'll see a major difference between the achievements of the past and plans for the future. >> good to see you on the program this hoerng. walid phares joining us. where are the jobs? we watch the federal reserve and their decision on whether or not to raise the interest rate. the president of the san francisco federal reserve is with me, john williams, next, live. we're looking aheat on the "sunday morning furttures" righ now.
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growth number one issue for voters and whether or not we'll see interest rates go up as a result of strength that we have been seeing in the economy recently. we're joined by the president and ceo of the federal reserve bank of san francisco, john williams, to talk more about that. an upcoming meeting the fed is having in june. thank you for joining us. >> great to be here. >> the june meeting is upon us from the federal reserve and a lot of people are saying, look, the economy has done better. maybe we'll see rates go higher. how do you characterize things right now? >> i think the economy has done better. we're still adding jobs at a pace more than 2 million jobs this month, unemployment is under 5%. i think the economy overall is looking good. we will, in my view, be appropriate to start raising rates again later this year, whether it's june or later meeting, will depend on the data. we have another month to go. we'll look at that data carefully and see what it tell us us. >> would you encourage your
colleagues to raise rates in june? >> i think it's a balancing act. i think the economic data is encouraging, however we have to take into account the uncertainties, especially around europe, asia, and our own economy. have you to balance those two sides of the coin. that's what we'll be doing when we meet in june. >> you have a big primary in california coming up, june 6th. in san francisco you're seeing things largely from, perhaps, a different window that we are in the northeast because you have a big boom in technology. is that part of your sort of vision that things are booming? >> well, you know, as -- i got nine western states in my district so it's not just the bay area, which is booming and doing really well, but it does represent a mix of what's happening in the economy. we see unemployment down to 4% or below. other areas are struggling. overall things are looking good in my part of the world. >> what are you seeing in your part of the world? health care, technology or -- >> sure. >> where are the jobs?
>> where you expect them. both in technology, i would say health care and services more broadly. the strong dollar has weakened export industry so we're seeing most john job gains really in the service sector, including those you just mentioned. >> do you think when people go to the polls on june 6th, that's going to be top of mind, this is going to be the subject that drives their vote? >> well, i can't speak to what voters will be thinking, but my perspective of the fed, we're basically getting closer and closer to the mission of getting full employment and inflation back to 1%. voters are concerned about longer term issues and growth. those are things outside the fed's ability to control them. >> let me ask you about that, because the reason we have such an unconventional election this year is because people are so angry, their wages haven't moved, costs for health care have gone up. it's tougher for them to get a mortgage and the lending they need. to what do you attribute that
stall in wages? >> i think this is a longer run phenomenon. we've seen this go on for decades. i think it represents changes in technology, changes in demand with different types of labor. my answer is we need to invest more in the economy for long run, invest more in human and capital. i think these are longer run issues. i think as economists we know long-run investments in physical capital are things that will ignite faster growth. >> a lot of people are debating whether or not we'll see a recession in 2017. do you expect a recession in 2017? >> no, i don't. first of all, economists are not good at forecasting recessions a year off in the future. i see the fundamentals as very solid. i see growth as being good. the fed, we're going to try to get this smooth landing, bring the plane exactly onto the runway as best we can. i think growth will be 2%.
i think risks of recession are modest. >> a lot of people are saying whoever the next president is going to oversee a recession. >> again, you know, recession -- expactions don't die of old age. they happen because some kind of unforeseen event happens. we've had very long expansions in our last few decades. i don't see any reason to expect a recession. >> you said at some point you think it's appropriate rates go higher. but will the fed be looking at the calendar saying, look, the elections is in november. we don't to want get political so we're going to stay away from that in september. >> no, we've proven over and over again we can act in presidential likz years, taking controversial policy decisions. we've done that before. we'll do it again. we're as apolitical as you can can imagine. >> you could see rates going higher in september, right before the election? >> sure. >> or october? >> it will be based on the data, based on our analysis. we're really focused on the economy, what the data is telling us and how best to
achieve our goal. >> people believe this was all about the fed, monetary policy staying where it was and being stimulative in terms of rock bottom interest rates. what would you like to see on the fiscal side? what would you like to see away from monetary policy that is out of your hands coming from government in terms of some other economic stimulus? >> i think in terms of the long run, we obviously have unsustainable fiscal position at the federal level. i think every expert agrees on that, and i think that's something that needs to be tackled in upcoming years. the other thing i'm worried about is i would like to see us thinking ahead to the time when we have the next recession and having fiscal policy be more of a partner to bring the economy back when we have a recession, a partner of monetary policy. this time the fiscal policy has gone back and forth between stimulus and contraction and that's made it harder for to us do our job. i think we should be head to the next recession and how can we strengthen the ability of fiscal policy to strengthen the
economy. >> i think you would like to work on the entitlements because you said long-term fiscal preparation and, number two, i think i hear you saying you'd like to see something on tax reform and regulation. >> basically having fiscal policy will support long-run growth and how can fiscal policy when we're in a recession help the economy get back on track. >> what's one policy that fits the bill that you're talking about. >> on the latter, sure. one thing is to strengthen what are often called the automatic stabilizers so automatically when the economy weakens, you people get unemployment insurance, taxes go down and strengthen those kind of processes that basically boost the economy when it's weak and help us get out of a recession. you know, there's a lot of proposals of how we could strengthen those in terms of -- instead of having these things happen automatically, instead of having them happen because congress makes a specific decision to stimulate the economy or not during a recession. >> great to speak with you. thanks so much. john williams is president of
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. welcome back. the search for the black box is under way in the deadly egypt jair plane crash that killed 66 people. the doomed paris-to-to cairo flight raising security concerns as investigators work to find out the crash, including any potential ties to terrorism. it comes as the tsa is facing growing criticism for long lines at the airports here at home. the agency caught between its need to effectively screen passengers and getting them through in a timely matter. joining us is lee zeldin. congressman, good to see you. first, we heard from egyptair and they basically said, looked like based on what we can see from the black box and our investigation, that an explosion tore through the plane, which would indicate terrorism. now they're saying, oh, we didn't find the black boxes.
is egypt jair and egyptair and egypt lying? >> it's possible. the fact is, there is a track record with egyptair where they do hire employees that have a certain ideology and political affiliations and leanings where employees have been fired for connections to muslim brotherhood for writing words on this plane, we will take this plane down. >> there was graffiti on this plane that said, we will bring this plane down. >> there is flaws in security, specifically at charles de gaulle airport. they need to tighten their act up. you have a plane headed toward the middle east with passengers from the middle east, so we're talking about egypt here. there's a lot of indications this might be terrorism added up, and egyptair, if they have the black boxes and they're not admitting to it, at some point
it will catch up to them pretty badly. >> we have to wait for any transparency because we're not getting it. so, we're covering that and waiting. let me bring you back home to the u.s. and what's going on with the tsa right now. what's behind all of these security issues? >> a management failure, a resource allocation issue, a deficiency of common sense. tsa needs to get away from law enforcement duties and just focus on screening. they need to work with airlines, airport managers to predict when peak times are going to be. if you have eight lines and only using four, open up another line. plan ahead for when it's supposed to happen. >> people are waiting two and three hours. then there's the bags. that's another issue. all the airlines are raising prices and saying, look, we're going to charge you for more bags. >> airlines with these hidden baggage fees leads to customers deciding just to bring more baggage through. tsa is stopping the 80-year-old granny in a wheelchair or u.s.
military service member, this happened to me, in uniform, military i.d., and they want to take my too fast paste. when i was going to iraq, i was with infantry battalion, our plane was killed with rifles and machine guns. when we went out of baltimore airport on the way in, they were taking our knives. it's like, listen, our plane is full of machine guns. maybe we should at tsa should have common sense. they asked for $7.3 billion last year. congress gave them over a million more than they asked for. >> is this money being allocated in the wrong way? should the tsa be privatized in. >> if tsa was privatized what we would see as a benefit -- and tsa really needs to get their act together or they'll face this threat more, we see an
official getting $90,000 bonus while 95% of fake bombs and explosives went through security checkpoints undetected. when it's -- when you have private entities with accountability responsible for these tasks, you don't give them a bonus. you get fired. that's the trend of where this is going if tsa doesn't get their act together. >> this is common sense. >> it would get tsa a lot further than where they've been and working with congress, too. >> representative lee zeldin here in the studio with us. look what's coming up with howie kurtz. >> we have an all-star lineup. bob woodward on the 20-person investigation of donald trump. what about hillary clinton? tucker carlson on his meeting with facebook's mark zuckerberg. also, trump versus "the new york times," trump versus the megyn kelly, the democratic party disarray, and all that and a tribute to morley safer coming
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we want to show you these live pictures. president obama arriving in hanoi earlier this morning. getting live pictures right now. officially kicking off his three-day visit to vietnam. after that he'll fly to japan for the g-7 summit. he'll become the first sitting u.s. president to visit hiroshima. he'll meet with survivors of the that tom atomic bombing that ended world war ii.
more voters express unfavorable opinions of both front-runners. a fox news poll asks voters whether they consider hillary clinton and donald trump to be honest and trustworthy. look at these numbers. 40% of voters say trump is honest. just 31% feel same way about hillary clinton. we bring in our panel, ed rollins, former principle adviser to ronald reagan. former political virt and fox news contributor and tony is executive vice president of jamestown associates and fox news contributor. good to see everybody. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> these polls on trustworthiness and honesty. >> she's still struggling there to get there. he's kind of solidified his base. the difference s he's got a strong campaign structure in place, all the money, but she's still a lagging candidate.
trump is basically a good candidate, doesn't have the candidate in the apparatus. i think there's plenty of room for improvement. it's in a dead even poll. it's going to be a dog fight. >> even with these numbers, trump beats her. >> in this poll he does, others he doesn't. the problem with donald trump is he's solidified -- solidified the republican base after getting the primary. you always get a bump after you get the nominee. she has not yet gotten her bump. she'll get it in three weeks or so. then we'll see where the polls are. >> you think bernie sanders will give into her? >> i think bernie sanders has no choice to give into her at the convention. if bernie sanders is serious, he has no choice but to give into her. >> i think julie is right on the consolidation point. hillary clinton was beating donald trump in the same fox news poll by eight points a
month ago. it's not as if bernie sanders leaves she's going to inherent this large bump. she already has the opportunity with sanders in the race. washington post came out today. trump is leading her by three points. in the abc -- rather, the nbc news/wall tre"wall street journs leading by. the trajectory is different and affirmative is moving toward donald trump. this is trouble for hillary because as you talk about honesty and trustworthy numbers being so unfavorable. this fox news poll was the first time her unfavorable was higher than donald trump. this is one thing hillary clinton campaign has been relying on. donald trump can't fix his reliability. people think she lied about the e-mails, her clinton foundation, things about her political career that span 30 years. people don't like what trump
says, derrogatory comments about women. >> let's talk about, i mean, you pointed out, you talked about momentum. math is the most important key in any election. when you look at a poll that has turnout that is predicated on 25% non-white turnout when in reality it will be a third of the electorate, then you have to look and suspect the fact that obviously her favorability may not be as high as his if you're predicating this on the fact that only a quarter of non-white people will turn out. it will be a third. if you look at those and base is on mathematical numbers, the models is there for her. mathematically it will be almost impossible for her to lose the election regardless of what donald trump does in the favorability rating. >> wow. >> i disagree with that. i just think this is a different election. traditionally any democrat has advantage because of the demographics that are changing. i think trump has changed that
dimension. this is about leadership. about change. these a policy wonk. she has not been attacked in a campaign the way she'll be attacked in the fall. bernie sanders has given her a free ride. trump will hammer her every single day and make her look weaker and weaker. this is a contest about who can lead the country effectively. you may not like what he's going to say but to a certain extent -- >> i think that's a reach where to say it's almost impossible for her not to win the election. >> we do this every election cycle, lurch from poll to poll. ma mathematically, based on demographics and those who turn out, if for some reason the growing african-american community or latino community says, we stay home, they're still turning out. >> there's still a campaign to go. we don't just do it mathematical
model that's different. this is a campaign about leadership, where we're going to take the country -- >> oon -- >> make no mistake that nate silver and others who have done well in prognosticating because these the use these models on demographics have gone wrong because trump has expanded the base of which republicans are getting votes. if you look at these polls, independents, white working class men, people talk about his problems with women voters. how about hillary's enormous gap, which is greater than trump's gap with men and white voters and other states now that formally were not in the cards. julie is right when you project the 2008 model, the 2012 model. the 20167 model is not the same. trump's going to compete in pennsylvania. >> i'm sorry. i have to -- >> he could take new york. he could take new york. >> listen, let me come back to this. first of all, hillary -- you're talking about her losing independents, losing white
voters. obama lost both those demographics ask he still won. she's competitive in georgia -- >> she's not going to get the turnout from her own base. >> of course she is. >> she's not barack obama. >> barack obama when he first got elected, was very popular, was going to be the agent of change. obviously he wasn't. he lost because of a weak candidate. my sense is we have a strong candidate. >> did you see the op-ed in the journal this weekend, how does obama get away with it? wages are done. health care costs are up. it's hard to get a mortgage in lending today. hillary wants to build on obamacare. it's been a failure if you look at what it's done for business because business is not creating jobs. if you want -- it's been a failure. and yet -- >> i'll tell you how. i look at polls on this almost every day. the reason he's doing well, he's over 50% now, is because he's being contrasted with the alternative. when the alternative is the alternative, he starts to look great. >> one variable obama has always
had regardless of his actual job performance is empathy. people think he's on their side. he rhetorically says things that make -- he's standing up for them, even though he's detached himself from any improvement or solution to fix this economy for the last eight years. >> first time we haven't seen 3% economic growth under any president for eight years. >> unbelievable. >> and we won't. there will be no growth the rest of this administration. >> and the gdp -- >> the debt will be greater. >> meanwhile, this bitter back and forth between bernie sanders and the dnc. how will that impact the democratic race? we're back with the panel just on head on "sunday morning futures." here's the plan. you're a financial company that cares, but your logo is old and a little pointy. so you evolve. you simplify. you haven't changed. you still help people live their best lives. and finally your new logo is ready, and you decide the perfect time to show the world is right... now.
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remember when i told everyone to stop talking about your damn e-mails? what a schmuck. >> i know. oh, my god, and remember all those states like wyoming where you beat me by a lot but then i still got most of the delegates. i don't really like people. i only talk to them because i want to be the president so bad. don't tell. don't tell. >> i think they know. >> i'll lead. >> never. "saturday night live" injecting a little levity into the heated democratic race, but the war of words between senator bernie sanders and leaders of the democratic party no laughing matter. sanders is accusing the dnc of favor hillary clinton, particularly debbie wasserman schultz. he's saying if he's elected president he will not reappoint the committee's chairwoman,
congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. the panel back on that sneechb more fundamental he is endorsing her opponent in a primary. >> that's right. >> here is the most popular democrat in the country, which he is at this point in time. she may be the nominee but he is the most popular democrat in the country and he is sh' going to struggle all the way to the bitter end, may lose california before going into the convention. she's going to get the nomination but she's going to be wounded and wounded pretty severely. >> you think she could lose california. >> lose california. >> i somehow recall 2008 that this was going on in the democratic side as well. barack obama, hillary clinton, took it all the way to the convention then. >> true. >> the question for bernie sanders is he going to do what she did eight years ago, is he going to have a hard fought ran and stand up and say i did my best and now i'm going to join the democratic party and make sure we will be strong as we can be against trump. everything he's doing now makes me suspect she has a long way to go to get him to do that. >> i think he will basically coalesce in the end to get these young supporters, first time and
very much the energy of your party, you need them back. >> if you look at the u.gov that came out, 45% of bernie sanders supporters saying they won't vote for hillary clinton. granted only 15% say they will vote for donald trump but the others who are nontraditional voters, younger voters, millennials say they will stay home. that's a big problem for hillary clinton. in that exact same poll a majority of bernie sanders supporters don't like hillary clinton, they don't find her likeable at all. she's inherenting a a lot of these flaws into the general election. obama was a historic has piration nl candidate who beat a very strong candidate in hillary clinton. hillary clinton has fundamental flaws and she's struggling against probably one of the most flawed other opponents she could have had in bernie sanders. he is not joe biden, he is not elizabeth warren. he was the c team, not even the b team of the democratic party and she can't put him away. >> tony, you're pretending that donald trump has consolidated his votes, 40% of republicans
are saying they are not going to get behind him, either. >> i've been very candid about that problem. >> ultimately when she is the nominee i suspect they will come home, everybody goes to their basis for the most part. he has to do his job the way that ted cruz ultimately and marco rubio and others will have to. >> some democrats are upset with the choice. >> of course. >> as i open this up -- >> so are some republicans -- >> she has a campaign ready to go for the fall, she's not ready to go for the fall. she has to basically get rid of sanders before she can start a full scale attack on him. he is free to put his campaign together, raise money and attack her every single day. >> we haven't even heard from the fbi yet. >> that's right. what also comes into this is the stink of unfairness, the fact that the democrats have this rigged system and now the establishment, the ruling class of their party is likely going to have their candidate, even though those same charges were made on the republican side, the people, the grass roots, ultimately got the candidate they want. that's going to have a lot more strength. >> what rigged system when she's
beating him among pledged delegates. >> that's an argument he is making. >> i agree that the super delegate system is disgusting and we need to get rid of it. >> the perception among his voters is that it is rigged. voters is that it is rigged. >> ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
lou dobbs and let's begin with a political earthquake. for the first time donald trump has pulled ahead of hillary clinton in the fox news poll. clinton has led trump in the head to head polling ever since he entered the race on june 16th of last year, but now trump tops her in a general election head to head match up. 45 to 42%. a 10 point swing from last month when clinton was ahead of trump by seven points. trump has not only pulled ahead of clinton but has done so with higher favorables and lower negatives than hers. a record 61% of