tv Sunday Morning Futures With Maria Bartiromo FOX Business June 19, 2016 6:00pm-7:01pm EDT
>> happy father's day. ♪ good morning, all. it has been one week since the deadliest mass shooting in u.s. history. this morning we're learning more about the shooter. hi, everyone. happy father's day to you. i'm maria bartiromo. thanks for joining us on "sunday morning futures ". meanwhile, the senate is preparing to vote on several gun reform measures. will any of those bills reach the president's direct. the director of the cia with a blunt assessment on the fight against isis. senator jerry moran joins us with what's next in the battle to destroy the terrorist
network. a pivotal vote coming up in britain. will britain leave the european union? we'll discuss how it could impact the economy here in the united states as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures ". and we begin this morning with the latest on the orlando terrorist attack as we learn that omar mateen texted his wife during the massacre at the pulse nightclub. this is going to multiple reports claiming he asked her if she had seen the news. he wanted to know if it was trending. meanwhile, investigators are also looking into mateen's two trips to saudi arabia, which experts say may have been cover for terrorist training. let's bring in republican congressman peter king of new york. he's a member of the homeland security committee and the chairman of the subcommittee on counterterrorism and intelligence. also joining me is sebastien gorka and matthew horner,
distinguished chair at military marine university. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> congressman, what do we know about the shooter? what is new in terms of this investigation this morning? >> maria, i think he is the ideal profile for the type of person that isis has been trying to recruit for the last several years. he's probably psychotic, has some mental imbalance but he's drawn to terrorism. this is why the fbi needs to adjust their profile. they did not believe he should stay on part of an open investigation because they felt he was unbalanced. he didn't understand the difference between shiite and sun sunni. that is the type of person isis has managed to recruit. we had two police officers attack a year and a half ago with the man with a machete.
he was inspired by isis. isis has this unique ability to reach out to borderline psychoti psychotics, unbalanced people, in addition to the hard-core people they recruit. so when people dismiss this as a lone wolf. no, he's the mad man. >> we learned from testimony last week of john brennan that isis is preparing attacks, more attacks in the west, and trying to lure more through the internet and trying to infiltrate the refugee flow. >> absolutely. in fact, i'm surprised that didn't get more coverage. director brennan volunteered that, that isis is attempting to infiltrate the refuse geese coming into this country and they are accelerating their attempt to recruit people in the united states and europe. when i talk about the imbalance, that's only one part of it. they are also still very actively going after the committed hard core islamists to carry out the attacks. with ramadan here in the u.s.
overlapping with the fourth of july, we especially have to be on our guard. >> what does orlando tell us about the state of terrorism in america? how should the u.s. be responding? >> i think orlando proves isis is using a different strategy when it comes to picking their targets and how they execute them. look at the trend in jihadi violence in the last 18 months. in fact, since isis declared the caliphate. we've had paris attacked twice, the mass attack in brussels, san bernardino and now orlando. the spectacle of the large attack like 9/11 is not what they're interested in right now. right now they just want to take the fight to the infidel, that's us and take it to people where they can't protect themselves. whether it's a soccer stadium, a concert hall in paris, airport in brussels, christmas party in san bernardino or this gay club, they want to find as many people
as possible and slaughter them like lambs, maria. >> unbelievable. what do you think people should be doing? as the u.s. approaches isis and tries to re-establish what the policy is right now, what would you say is most important in terms of ensuring that we do not see terrorist attacks on the homeland? >> the biggest thing at the strategic level doesn't focus on the wrong things. it's not about guns. it's about jihadi ideology. you could ban every gun in america, but jihadis will still get them and still kill americans. let's focus on what the threat is. the see something, say something has to be real. people cannot be afraid of telling the police if they see something suspicious as they were in san bernardino, because if you can't tell people, you may not be able to save lives. jihadis surveil, they test-run. you need to be able to report those suspicious activities. lastly, every american, maria,
every american, you, your staff, your relatives, have to understand, you are on the front line of this war. you have to be aware, cognizant of your surroundings. if you get into this kind of situation, if you can't run away, if you can't hide, you fight. there were hundreds of people in that club. you have to attack him with whatever you have, chairs, fire extinguishers. everyone is on the front line. >> this is a sad statement gorka made about guns. we know what's about to happen next week. we have republicans and democrats accepting four separate proposals to curb gun sales for people on terrorism watch lists. will this go forward or are they destined to fail, given the fac impacting their constitutional right? >> i agree, this is terror attack. you know, the gun issue is a side issue.
having said that, i do believe if you are on a terror watch list, you shouldn't be able to purchase a weapon. we have to find a way to put that list together. having said that, 90% or 95% would go forward. i think we can do both at the same time. i think it's important to make it more difficult for terrorists to get guns. maybe they would leave more signs or send more signals if they are stopped in their attempt to get a weapon. on the other hand, though, we have to be much more aggressive against isis. here in this country, i think the fbi, they have to realize now, is if they don't feel there's enough smoke to say there's a fire and they can't keep an investigation open, make sure the local police are fully advised of all the information they have on these possible suspects because it's the local police who have the sources. they have the informers. they have the undercovers. they can get access the fbi can't get. these cops live lifetimes in these communities. the fbi agents are in and out. there's no reflection on them. it's a different type of
policing. if the fbi feels they don't have enough or still some question marks, make sure the local police are fully apprised of that. >> there have been no major restrictions on gun control since 1984 when congress imposed a ban on semi-automatic, but that expired. what do you expect next week? we know susan collins is making a new push to try to have a tailored new effort and considering, obviously, preventing the sale of guns to terrorism suspects, whose names are on that government list. >> i would hope the senate can find a way to make it work. what might be the wild card is not just susan collins who is thoughtful and trying to work something out, but a wild card could be donald trump. he has said he does not believe terrorists should be able to purchase weapons. again, he's going to be talking to the nra. the impact he can have, i don't
know. i wish both sides would come out of their corners and try to work this out. i think it can be worked out. i agree with dr. gorka to this extent, even if we get a ban of terrorists getting guns, the threat is still going to be there, 95% is still going to be there, but it's a step. >> dr. gorka, last week we saw 50 u.s. ambassadors write a letter to obama, u.s. ambassadors saying, we are not tough enough on syria and taking down the assad regime. really interesting to see 50 u.s. ambassadors pushing back on president obama. similarly with john brennan. last week the cia director completely going in a different direction. the president has been saying isis is contained and isis is being controlled and brennan comes out and says, no, unfortunately, we have been unable to rein in isis at this point and they are actually ramping up. >> yes, maria, this is
fascinating. 50 state department employees at the same time last year, you have 60 intelligence saying their analysis on isis is being deep-sixed by the administration, or censored. and then the cia director coming out in unclassified testimony and saying, isis is as strong as it ever was. it has global reach. it's continued to do these attacks. he says this, this is what people missed in the testimony, he said, in my 30-year career as an intelligence professional, i have never seen the world so unstable. that is a direct indictment of president obama and hillary clinton, who was secretary of state. finally, the narrative, the bubble that everything's okay is starting to shatter and people at the highest level are like rats jumping the sinking ship, maria. >> really extraordinary events last week. dprchlt gorka, good see you. congressman king, we appreciate your time this morning. always great value from you. we'll see you soon, gentleman. thank you very much dr. gorka,
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exploring a variety of means for infiltrating into the west. >> want to bring in republican senator jerry moran from kansas, member of the banking committee as well as subcommittee on state and foreign relations. thank you for joining us. >> i'm pleased to be back on your program. happy father's day. particularly those military fathers who may not be home this weekend, our law enforcement and first responders. >> i second that, to all the great men and women who are serving our wonderful country. let me ask you about the john brennan comments last week. he basically admitted, no, we are nowhere near victor and, in fact, isis has gotten stronger. >> maria, it was very discourage i ing. we have witnesses in front of committee on a regular basis, particularly administration witnesses, seem to speak just as
if they're trying to sanitize the information they would want congress to hear or the american people to see, hear in the news. i appreciate this cia director brennan really laying it on the line and saying things many of us believed, certainly felt, but have been rarely said by those who work in this administration. we have president obama, who is clearly interested in trying to diminish the believe there's a serious threat, downplaying the circumstances we find ourselves in. it was very refreshing, though very discouraging and disillusioning to hear how little if any progress we made in our battle against terror, particularly as the cia director indicated, against isis. >> i don't understand why -- i mean, i guess the president wants to be optimistic, but why is he trying to show a good face on isis when we know they've
only gotten stronger? we've watched sympathizers in the united states try to take cues from this terrorist group. why isn't the president telling us the way it is? interesting to see john brennan go against what the president has been trying to sell the american people. >> we would like to see all witnesses come and tell us their point of view in the congressional hearing. that ought not matter whether you serve an administration. i can't speak for president obama and his motives, but what i would guess, again, just trying to analyze where we are, president obama ran on office for presidency on a couple of occasions in which his goal was to get us out of the role we had been playing in the world to diminish the necessity for america to have military people around the world. isis is contrary, the need for those, that military effort,
that intelligence effort, the idea the world is safe and secure doesn't fit with the narrative we see from these terrorists on an ongoing basis. >> i mean, we want to ask you about policy and what you think should be done now. here's another sound bite from john brennan last week when he was asked about the status, where are we in the fight against isis? >> unfortunately, despite all our progress against isil on the battlefield and financial realm, our efforts have not reduced the group's terrorism capability and global reach. >> what will reduce their capability and global reach, senator? >> well, i mean, i can talk about the mistakes that have been made and they're hard to rectify. some of those mistakes -- iraq, for example. the goal seemed to override the circumstances we placed iraq in because of our military sacrifice were not lost by an early departure, lack of
presence of the u.s. and stability, feckless policy in syria, which is hard to determine how anything we're doing lends to stability in syria. our intrusion in libya created another environment. look, i'm just a few miles here this morning in the neighborhood of ft. riley. we don't -- our soldiers here, their families have paid significant sacrifice in multiple deployments. it's not easy we would ever say we want to deploy again, although i know our soldiers and families will respond to an order. but this is about putting a policy -- policies in place, a state department diplomacy in which our friends around the world would once again respect us and our enemies fear us. and it seems to me we're in the worst possible circumstance now in which exactly the opposite is the case. >> senator, let me switch gears real quick because i know janet yellen is speaking to the banking committee next week.
she's going to speak to the house on monday, senate on tuesday in her semiannual address. the fed can't raise interest rates because the economy is too weak. what are you expecting out of this testimony? >> i'm always anxious to hear the federal reserve and their testimony. my impression is the conversation will be a lot about interest rates. that's been a significant political topic. i think what the truth is, the reality is as we saw from the jobs report for may, is this economy is having a very difficult time in its recovery. in kansas, in my conversations, people are looking for the belief their jobs are secure, they have a chance for increase in their pay, that there may be a better job down the road their kids when they graduate will get from -- from college will get a job and they can pay back their student loans. and i think how fragile the economy is lends itself to a very timid policy at the federal
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million votes. 14 million votes in the primary system. badly defeated and e of guys they're trying to organization maybe like a little bit of a delegate revolt. >> joining me is barry bennett. thanks for joining me here. >> thanks for having me. >> you still have this grounds movement to come up with nominee. what is donald trump going to do about it? >> it's a very, very small self-interested group. if you look at what happened in the primary, not only did he win by more than it 2 million votes, more than anybody has ever gotten, period, but in 45 of the 50 states we had record republican turnout. so, i think there are some folks, primarily based in washington, but a few outside, who still wish they had won, but they didn't. you know, outside of -- a little bit of noise in cleveland, they're going to get squashed.
>> i recognize donald trump has gotten those 14 million votes in the primary and what he said and what you're just saying as well, but how important is it for donald trump to have the republican party behind him, going into the convention? how important is it to unify this party, from your standpoint? >> well, you know, typically these campaigns, you start with the establishment and then you try to get to the 2 of 4 voter, people that vote about half of the time around the country. donald trump started with those people. in youngstown, ohio, they have 38,000 registered voters. he's doing well in target states but not on "k" street. that's okay. we'll take that. >> so you don't think it's important to have the party unified going into the convention? how important is it to unify it the party? >> we want unity but there's never going to be unanimous. and, you know, there are a lot
of people, you know, who are skeptics about everything. you know, i was not a huge fan, for instance, of john mccain. i said i'd never vote for him. i did. i wrote him a check. it just took some time. >> i see. you think over time, in the next couple of weeks, the next couple of months, the republican party will come around and support donald trump then? >> yeah, absolutely. >> what does donald trump need to do to resonate with those skeptics out there still in terms of policy? do you think he needs to get a little more specific in terms of his policy, how he will defeat isis, how will he create jobs, when he will, in fact, implement tax reform? >> this is something you hear them squawk about. it's quite clear how you create jobs. it's not very difficult. you undo the one-two punch the obama administration has put on our economy. you know, incredibly noncompetitive taxation and ridiculously burdensome regulation. you roll those back and suddenly america starts to roar again.
it's not that complicated. you don't need a ph.d. in economics to figure that out. >> don't you have to communicate that to the american people, communicate that -- >> absolutely. >> -- to those skeptics out there so everybody understands how simple and that it's not brain surgery, like you say? >> absolutely. we've got a long campaign. we've got -- you know, we've got several months to do that, and we will have -- there will be entire chunks of the campaign just devoted to that. >> we're just four months away from an election. let me ask you about the gun control measures, because last week donald trump suggested he can work with gun rights lobbyists to bring about change. what kind of change is donald trump interested in as it relates to guns? >> well, you know, the issue is, how do we keep gun as way from terrorists or potential terrorists? you know, the government has a series of lists of, you know, people that they either want to watch all the way down to a much more specific list, but even those are not very high quality. unfortunately, the systems that were put in place by the bush
administration, some of them have just been left to wilt. and, unfortunately, we don't have very good lists. so, we need a high-quality list. nobody wants bad people or mentally ill people to get guns. but, unfortunately, our ability to create these lists is just ridiculous. >> so, you want to make sure that there's -- there's an approach to make sure those lists, the terrorism watch lists, are accurate? >> yeah. i mean, you know, they -- they can't just be people have, unfortunately, a name that sounds like somebody else which is -- there's, what, 800,000 people on the watch list. well, there aren't 800,000 potential terrorists in america. >> once those watch lists are fixed, you're saying donald trump will make sure that anybody on that watch list cannot get a gun. >> i think if we had a good, solid, high-quality list of bad people, of course we wouldn't want them to have guns. >> barry, good to have you on the program this morning. thank you very much. barry bennett joining us there. to stay or not to stay.
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♪ welcome back. voters in the uk are preparing to make an historic decision this upcoming week. britain is holding a referendum to decide whether the country should stay in the european union or leave. british prime minister david cameron writing in an editorial today, quote, we face an existential choice on thursday, so ask yourself, have i really heard anything, anything at all, to convince me that leaving would be the best thing for the economic security of my family? joining me right now is lord john taylor, a member of britain's house of lords. lord john taylor, good to have you on the program. welco welcome. >> morning, maria. it's great to be with you from sunny london. >> thank you so much. it's sunny in new york stas wel. let me ask you about the implications of a leave vote. if the uk decides to leave the eu, what are the practical
changes that the uk and the eu will see as it relates to trade, regulation and anything else that's most important? >> if britain leaves the eu, it would be bad for britain and bad for the rest of the world because the markets would get shaken. it would affect britain, america and the rest of the world. we are one world. we have to work together. we either pull together or be pulled apart. >> but in terms of markets, what are markets reacting to? you say they'll be shaken. why? because people are worried about new trade deals the uk will have to do? what are the practical implications that come out of a leave vote? >> markets don't like uncertainty. if britain decides to leave, it has two years to renegotiate the trade deals. what happens during that time? people won't want to invest. it's the shakiness that destroy confidence, jobs and investment, maria. >> i see.
so, they have two years to do new trade deals. what about the regulatory environment? we've already heard a number of bankers in the u.s. even say, look, if the uk leaves, we're going to take money out of the uk. do you expect outflows out of the uk if we were to see that happen as well? >> i do. i mean, there are 75 main banks in london. that's our main advantage. but with this uncertainty, they're going to flee london. we don't want that. it will be bad for britain, but wad for the rest of the world, too. >> let's talk about the implications and why you think the uk should be in the european union. >> i'm not saying the eu is perfect, but we have to remain in to change it. there's a lot of red tape. i understand that. but if we are outside the group, it will just get worse. we have to renegotiate all the trade deals. that's going to take a long time, even longer than two years. >> yeah. let's talk about those trade deals because we have a graphic
here that shows the u.s. british trade in 2015. what are the most important trading relationships right now that britain will have to redo? >> it's at the small business level. you put a quarter of a million americans living and working in london alone. with that uncertainty they will not take a chance. they'll start to invest in other parts of the world. china. you know, we want people to come to london. we are one world. there's only one race, the human race. and leaving the eu is a disaster. it's plunging into the unknown. it's bad for the economy. not just the british economy, but the world economy. >> yeah. it was pretty extraordinary, obviously, my condolences after the murder of jo cox. this certainly impacted many people's thinking on this. and initially before this happened, this horrific
situation last week, there was a majority that wanted to leave. and now we see the polls have completely changed. do you think the murder had something to do with that change in sentiment? >> i do. before jo's death -- can i just say, jo cox was only 41 years of age. she had two little children, age 3 and 5. she was a rising star. she'll be sorely missed. now, before she died, the rhetoric was angry, people were hurling insults at each other. it was more heat lan light. now the rhetoric has calmed down. we have a service in her memory tomorrow. people are beginning to realize, we need to build bridges between people, not walls. >> part of the issue is the open borders throughout europe and the immigration reform, or lack of in europe. what would you like to see in europe in terms of immigration as a result of the upset coming out of britain? >> well, can i say immigration
is actually a good thing. if you took away the immigrant doctors from our national health service, we wouldn't have a national health service. britain is a country of immigrants. america is a country of immigrants. winston churchill 70 years ago that talked about the special relationship between britain and america. and if we leave the eu, that will put that very much in danger. now, i'm not saying we should have just open border immigration. but we do need immigrants with controls. you mentioned a lot of good points and important points to remember but this is a different sometime. we heard from john brennan, the head of the cia, say isis is trial to infiltrate the refugee flow. we see what's happening in terms of people wearing refugee clothes and, in fact, they could be isis operatives. are you saying nothing should be changed in terms of immigration in europe? >> well, let's learn the lessons
from history. the reason why the eu came into being was to protect our continent from further wars. it came into being after the second world war. since the eu came in to being, we haven't had war in europe. yes, of course, we have to be careful, have security checks but don't throw the baby out with the bath water and just leave europe. it's crazy. >> that's an important point. real quick, lord taylor, britain decided, what, 15, 20 years ago not to join the euro and stay with the british pound. was that a good idea? >> that was a good idea. but if you consider the debate we're talking about now, every independent authority is saying we should remain in europe. we should listen to them. >> lord taylor, good have you on the program this morning. thank you much. we'll see you soon. lorde taylor joining us there. let's see what's coming up on "media buzz," the top of the hour, howie kurtz.
>> we'll have highlights of an intervieiew i did with donald trump. he says he's disappointed in republican leaders running away from, particularly mentioning mitch mcconnell. he also takes whacks at outlet from washington post, politico and msnbc's "morning joe" and our colleague bill hemmer on dealing with tragedy and terror when he was in orlando. >> we'll see you in about 20 minutes. thank you. up next, hillary clinton and bernie sanders holding a private meeting as gop delegates hatch a plan to stop a donald trump nomination. our panel next on the race for the white house as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." back in a moment. can a toothpaste do everything well?
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welcome back. donald trump hitting the campaign trail this weekend where hillary clinton is taking some time off. trump taking a swipe at clinton, though, suggesting there is a reason bernie sanders still has not bowed out of this race. listen. >> crazy bernie, he doesn't give up. he's waiting for, really, the fbi to do what everybody thinks they're going to do. i mean, i think that's -- right? i think he's sort of saying, look, let's hang in there because ultimately it's called the fbi convention. we'll see if the right thing happens. >> on that note let's bring in our panel, ed rollins, former principle adviser to president reagan and fox anl list. susan is chief congressional correspondent for "the washington examiner," and rick is the former adviser to four ambassadors to the united nations. thanks for joining us. do you think that's why bernie
sanders is not stepping down yet? >> no. i think he has a movement and he wants to keep that beyond the convention. he says repeatedly, beating trump is most important but keeping the movement alive. >> we don't know where this investigation goes, though. >> no. it could be an effective strategy for trump to do that because he throws these labels out and they stick. he can call her crooked hillary and it lowers the trust level in hillary clinton. it's a problem she already has in the polls. even though it's probably unlikely she'll be indicted this campaign season, for him to throw out that possibility, as a political strategy, probably not a bad one. >> yeah, but i mean, is he hurting hillary by staying in? what do you think? >> i think he's totally hurting hillary. with all due respect i disagree with both of those guys. i think hillary clinton will be indicted. >> you do? >> i think she absolutely has to be indicted. when you look at the information, when you look at the facts, there's no other conclusion. so, i believe she will be. and i think that bernie sanders and others, the reason why joe biden is throwing out names like, oh, elizabeth warren would
be my vp and you've got a whole bunch of talk about who biden would want to support and whether or not he's going to even go for hillary publicly or if he's going to keep flirting with this left part of the party, i think it's clear that they know something, that something is coming and hillary will be indicted. >> you also have the foundation portion of this story. i think a lot of the e-mail transactions or investigation, rather, has led the authorities to things about the foundation that are very troubling. >> foundation, i've always felt, is most vulnerable. saudi arabias give $20 million to the secretary of state husband's foundation, that she's certainly part of. i think the critical thing here -- and i'm a trump supporter, as you know. i think trump has stumbled the last couple of weeks. he has to forget the primary is over. he won that. he has to quit fighting with republicans. he wants the rnc to help him, they'll help him at the end of
the day. i think at the end of the day, he has to set up campaign, get on message, make it very, very important to stay consistent. he has three or four weeks before the convention. he has to bring his party together. it's about addition and be a very viable candidate coming out of that convention with momentum. >> and you would think the issues are so clear-cut. i mean, look at the last jokz number, 38,000 jobs created. obviously, a weak economy. look at what john brennan said this past week, rick, basically going 100% against what obama has been telling us that isis is contained. >> look, president obama's audience is the american people and we don't have access to the intelligence. but john brennan's audience are senators, who do have access to the intelligence. they know the facts. we are not beating isis. we haven't been able to take out their command and control center after four years. that's unbelievable. five years ago president obama said assad should go. four years ago he made a red line commitment. both of those, nothing has happened.
isis has grown under secretary of state hillary clinton and secretary of state john kerry. those are the facts. >> yeah. and it's interesting is that trump could actually use -- go after clinton on policy, but he tends to just go off on tangents when he's on the campaign trail. if he would stick to the script, as republican leaders have asked him to and kind of stayed with talking about his own ideas about foreign policy, maybe going after her on her record, i think that that's a path forward for him. >> let's take a short break. when we come back, i want to talk about the congressional committee voting to censor the irs commissioner over the agent's targeting of senators. as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." irs is next. innovative sonicare technology with up to 27% more brush movements versus oral b. get healthier gums in 2 weeks guaranteed. innovation and you. philips sonicare. save when you buy the most loved
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welcome back. a house panel voted on sense to censure irs commissioner john koskinen. some lawmakers are alleging koskinen obstructed the investigation into the targeting of conservative groups. the measure being approved along party lines. ed rollins, what do you think about this irs? >> i think the irs has run amok the last several years and the critical thing here is the commissioner obviously is the target at this point in time. he should be censured. the committee has already said that. i would expect the house to take it up. unless they decide there's too much on the plate. and i think this is very important symbolically. it's not going to change the dynamic. he's not going to resign. but they have to warn them that you cannot violate citizens' rights, conservative or any citizens. >> did he lie under oath? did he obstruct this investigation? >> that's the get. did he lie or did he just not know. his defense, there's the argument that he didn't realize that the e-mails were cried and then they could have been recovered. which they were later.
this is lois lerner's e-mails. she was in charge of the so-called targeting of conservative groups seeking tax exempt status. there's a sense to congress that they've been lied to. but on the koskinen said they're saying he misspoke or he didn't know and there was a lot of misinformation going around. >> but doesn't somebody have to take responsibility for what went on here? i mean shouldn't he step down? >> yeah, somebody should. i mean, look, he was unequivocal in saying it didn't happen. it's not like he just took the answer and said well i don't know, let me look into it. >> that's right. >> he was unequivocal on the other side. so i think he misled or lied on purpose, and what's taking so long with the house here? why are we still talking about this issue. why didn't they do this a year ago? >> yeah. >> the fact that we're here now and we're just censuring, i mean this is one of the problems that the house has. they don't bring it home and actually do action. >> there's no more important agency to be trusted than the irs. everybody has confidence -- >> agreed. >> it's very, very important. that the american public have a
trust, your stuff is being kept personally, that you basically are paying your proper taxes and all the rest of it. for this guy to basically mislead the congress as he did, i think is a tragedy and he deserves to be censured. >> the treasury department oversees the irs. >> right. >> should somebody in treasury be taking the fall here? >> mean while the inspector general is the one who discovered the targets and some of the other flaus as well. i think what you're seeing is reluctance on the part of the republican leadership to dedicate time to an impeachment process. >> is that what this is? too much on the plate? >> the republicans have this big, broad agenda. they want to put out for the voters to see before the november election. however, they know this issue was really important to the base. >> that's right. >> so they're trying to do both things. that's why i think you may see an impeachment vote. >> i think it's important to both republicans and democrats, because god forbid if a president trump appointed an irs commissioner who went in and had the same type of tactics that the democrats have done, suddenly then democrats become a target and the irs is completely
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time to look ahead with the panel. >> watching this week where they're going to exit the european union. >> you think they're going to leave the eu? >> i've watching the four gun control votes in the senate monday night. they're all going to fail. >> they're all going to fail? once again. rick? >> the fallout from the 51 career diplomats at the state department who signed a dissent cable saying that the syria and isis policy is a disaster. >> all right. we'll be watching that as well. i'll watch janet yellen monday and tuesday testifying in front of the house and senate.
that was a look at sunday morning futures. happy father's day to all of you. be sure to join mornings with maria on the fox business network tomorrow 6:00 to 9:00 a.m. eastern on the fox business network. media buzz begins right now with howard kurtz. good evening everybody, i am lou dobbs. shocking testimonies on capitol hill. john brendan contradicted of president obama, he also confirmed donald trump's warning about the radical islamic threat. len to brendan. the islamic state remains dangerous as ever despite repeated assurances to the contrary from mr. obama. >> unfortunately, despite our