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minutes away. ♪ announcer: this is fox business network coverage of the second presidential debate. live from washington university in st. louis, here is neil cavuto. 1999 all right, bill cnton and chelsea clinton were briefed donald trump upped ante. if you were going to talk about what donald trump said 11 years ago he would bring out accusers said far worse about bill clinton. it added mightily what will go down on the stage three minutes from now. kennedy with me. lou dobbs with me. trish regan with me. kennedy, as folks get ready to
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talk to the folks in the room, ground rules, this changed everything. >> in race as dynamic as anything we've seen in modern politics it changes only minutes before the debate kicks off. you have to wonder, you and i talked about in the break, whether or not the participants, undecided voters on stage, 38 of them have no idea about the trump press conference with the four accusers. neil: if they're locked down in there, they might hear word-of-mouth. trish regan. it has got to come up in questioning now. and change the tone of questions? >> absolutely the onus on the moderators to make sure it does come up. one would anticipate it absolutely would. it should and it does change the story somewhat. in other words, it is more difficult now for the moderators to sweep under the rug what happened years ago with bill clinton. the fact that hillary clinton stood by his side but not just stood by his side, neil. was willing to trash and destroy any woman who accusedded her husband of these acts.
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and so this will come up tonight. these are questions she is going to have to answer. he has threatened to do so. here we are. neil: all right. you know you think about this, lou dobbs, you're bill clinton and looking at this. his wife could come off still a sympathetic figure or cut the other way, right? >> yeah, i think, what we have here is an opportunity for the national liberal media to mature a bit. we have seen and heard words over the course of the past 48 hours, the audience of this country and its mainstream media using words would be banned in classrooms or libraries 40 or 50 years ago. this is a time to look at what the greater offense is to the interest of the nation, which is a greater offense against morality. is it lying in private or public, take your choice? is it the awful words and language, the vulgarity that
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donald trump spoke 11 years ago, not new news in point of fact. and just about the same age as many of the charges of sexual assault or harrassment against bill clinton. the, make no mistake about it, both candidates are in combat and so is the mainstream liberal media because it has much to answer for now, now that donald trump is engaged them. neil: he certainly has. martha raddatz, anderson cooper going through the final ground rules. they will ask half the questions divided between them, studio audience, part of this panel discussion will be allowed to ask remainder. i have a feeling there have been some changes. now to the debate. moderator: food evening i'm martha raddatz from abc news. moderator: i'm anderson cooper. we want to welcome you to
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washington university in st. louis. tonight's debate is town hall format which gives voters directly a chance to ask the candidates question. martha and i will ask follow-up questions. the night belongs to people in this room and people across the country that submitted questions online. moderator: the people on stage were chosen by the gallup organization. they told gallup they have not committed to a a candidate. we saw those questions first time this morning. anderson and i and our team from abc and cnn are the only ones who have seen them. both candidates will have two minutes to answer each audience and online question. we hope to get to as many questions as we can. so we asked the audience here not to slow things down with any applause. except for now. ladies and gentlemen. the republican nominee for president, donald j. trump, and the democratic nominee for
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president hillary clinton. [applause] moderator: thank you very much for being here. we're going to begin with a question from one of the members in our town hall. each of you will have two minutes to respond to this question. secretary clinton, you won the coin toss. so you will go first. our first question comes from patrice brock. patrice. >> thank you and good evening. the last presidential debate could have been rated as ma, mature audiences per tv parental guidelines. knowing educators assigned to viewing the presidential debates as student's homework do you feel you're modeling appropriate
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and positive behavior for today's youth. clinton: thank you. are you a teacher? yes. i think that is a very good question because i have heard from lots of teachers and parents about some of their concerns about some of the things that are being said and done in this campaign. and i think it is very important for us to make clear to our children that our country really is great because we're good, and we are going to respect one another, lift each other up. we are going to be looking for ways to celebrate our diversity. and we are going to try to reach out to every boy and girl as well as every adult to bring them in to working on behalf of our country. i have a very positive and optimistic view about what we can do together. that's why the slogan of my campaign is, stronger together. because i think if we work
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together, if we overcome the divisiveness that sometimes sets americans against one another, and instead we make some big goals and i have set forth some big goals, getting the economy to work for everyone, not just those at the top, making sure that we have the best education system from pre-school through college and making it affordable and so much else, we set those goals and we go together to try to achieve them. there is nothing in my opinion, that america can't do. so that is why i hope that we will come together in this campaign. obviously i'm hoping to earn your vote. i'm hoping to be elected in november. and i can promise you i will work with every american. i want to be the president for all americans. regardless of your political beliefs, where you come from, what you look like, your religion, i want us to heal our country and bring it together. because that is i think the best way for us to get the future that our children and our grandchildren deserve.
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moderator: secretary clinton. thank you. mr. trump, you have two minutes. trump: i agree with that. i agree with everything she said. i began this campaign because i was so tired of seeing such foolish things happen to our country. this is a great country, this is a great land, i have gotten to know the people of the country over the last year-and-a-half that i have been been doing this as a politician. i can not believe i'm saying that about myself because i guess i have been a politician. my whole concept was to make america great defend. when i watch the deals being made, when i watch what's happening some horrible things like obamacare where your health insurance and health care is going up by numbers that are astronomical, 68%, 59%, 71%. when i look at the iran deal and how bad a deal it is for us. it is one-sided transaction where we're giving back
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$150 billion to a terrorist state. really number one terrorist state. we made them a strong country from a very weak country three years ago. when i look at all of the things that i see and potential our country has, we have such tremendous potential whether it is in business and trade, where we're doing so badly. last year we had an almost 800 billion-dollar trade deficit. in other words, trading with other countries. we had an $800 billion deficit. that is hard to believe. inconceivable. you say who is making these deals? we'll make great trade deals. we'll have a strong border. we'll bring back law and order. just today policeman was shot, two killed and this is happening on a weekly basis. we have to bring back respect to law enforcement. at same time we have to take care of people on all sides. we need justice. but i want to do things that haven't been done including fixing and making our
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inner-cities better for the african-american citizens that are so great and for the latinos and hispanics. moderator: mr. trump. trump: i look forward to doing it, it is called make america great again. moderator: thank you, mr. trump. the question from patrice are you both modeling positive and appropriate behaviors for today's youth. we received a lot of question online, mr. trump about the tape released on friday. you called what you said locker room banter. talked about kissing women without their consent. grabbing genitals. that is sex all assault. you bragged you sexually assaulted women? trump: i didn't say that at all. i don't think what you said. this is locker room talked. i am not proud of it. i apologized to my family and i apologized to the american people. i am not proud of it. this is locker room talk. when you have a world where isis is chopping off heads. frankly drowning people in steel cages, where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all
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over, where you have so many bad things happening this is like medieval times. we haven't seen anything like this. the carnage you will over the world, and look and see, can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us, with isis, and they look at our country and they see what is going on. yes i'm very embarrassed by it, i hate it, it is locker room talk. it is one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. we'll defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left because of bad judgment. and i will tell you, i will take care of isis. get on too much more important things and much bigger things. moderator: just for the record are you saying what you said on the bus 11 years ago, you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent. trump: i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. moderator: for record you never did that? trump: you hear these things are
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said. and i was embarrassed by it. but i have tremendous respect for women. moderator: have you ever done those things? trump: no i have not. and i will tell you that i'm going to make our country safe. we're going to have borders in our country which we don't have now. people are pouring into our country and coming in from the middle east and other places. we're going to make america safe again. we'll make america great again but make america safe again and we're going to make america wealthy again. if you don't do that, it just, it sound harsh to say but we have to build up the well of our nation right now other nations are taking our jobs and they're taking our wealth. moderator: thank you, mr. trump. trump: that is what i want to talk about. moderator: secretary clinton, do you want to respond? clinton: like everyone else i spent a lot of time thinking over last 48 hours about what we heard and saw. you know with prior republican nominees for president, i disagreed with them on politics,
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policies, politics, principles but i never questioned their fitness to serve. donald trump is different. i said starting back in june that he was not fit to be president and commander-in-chief. and many republicans and independents have said the same thing. what we all saw and heard on friday was donald talking about women, what he thinks about women, what he does to women, and he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is. but, i think it's clear to anyone who heard it that it represents exactly who he is. because we've seen this throughout the campaign. we have seen him insult women. we've seen him rate women on their appearance, ranking them from one to 10.
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we've seen him embarass women on tv and on twitter. we saw him after the first debate spend nearly a week denigrating a former miss universe in the harshest, most personal terms. so yes, this is who donald trump is. but it is not only women and it is not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. because he has also targeted immigrants, african-americans, latinos, people with disabilities, p.o.w.s, muslims, and so many others. so this is who donald trump is. the question for us, the question our country must answer, is that this is not who we are. that's why to go back to your question, i want to send a message. we all should, to every boy and
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girl and indeed to the entire world, that america already is great but we are great because we are good. and we will respect one another and we will work with one another, and we will celebrate our diversity. these are very important values to me because this is the america that i know and love. and i can pledge to you tonight that this is the america that i will serve if i'm so fortunate enough to become your president. moderator: we want to get to some questions. trump: am i allowed to respond to that? i assume i am? moderator: you can respond to that. trump: it is just words, folks. those words i've been hearing them for many words. i heard them when they were running for the senate in new york where hillary was going to bring back jobs to upstate new york and she failed. i have heard them where hillary is constantly talking about the inner cities of our country which are a disaster
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educationwise, jobwise, safetywise, in every way possible. i'm going to help the african-americans. i'm going to help the latinos, hispanics. i am going to help the inner cities. she has done a terrible job for the african-americans. she wants their vote and she does nothing and then she comes back four years later. we saw that first-hand when she was united states senator. she campaigned where the -- moderator: mr. trump. mr. trump, i want to get to audience online questions. trump: she is allowed to do that but i'm not allowed to respond. moderator: you will get a chance to respond now. this tape is generating intense interest. in 48 hours it has become the single most-talked about story of the entire 2016 election on facebook, with millions and millions of people discussing it on the social network. as we said moment ago we do want to bring in questions from voters around the country via social media and our first stays on this topic, just be yes from
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ohio, asks on facebook, trump says campaigned changed him. when did that happen? when you walked off that bus at age 59, were awe different man or did that behavior continue until just recently? and you have two minutes. trump: i told you that was locker room talk. i am not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country, and certainly i'm not proud of it but that was something that happened. if you look at bill clinton, far worse, mine are words and his was action. what he has done to women. there has never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that has been so abusive to women. so, you can say anyway you want to say it but bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women and attacked them
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viciously. four of them here tonight. one of the women who is a wonderful woman at 12 years old was raped at 12. her client, she represented got him off and she is seen laughing on two separate occasions laughing at the girl who was raped. cathy shelton, that young woman is here with us tonight. so, don't tell me about words. i am absolutely, i apologized for those words. but it is things that people say. but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. he had to pay an 850,000-dollar fine to one of the women. paula jones, who is also here tonight. and i will tell you that, when hillary brings up a point like that, and she talks about words that i said 11 years ago, i think it is disgraceful and i think she should be ashamed of
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herself if you want to know the truth. [applause] moderator: please hold the applause. secretary clinton, you have two minutes. clinton: first, let me start by saying that so much of what he just said is not right but he gets to run his campaign anyway he chooses. he gets to decide what he wants to talk about, instead of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda, laying out plans that we have we think camake a better life and a better country. that is his choice. when i hear something like that i am reminded of what my friend michelle obama advised us all. when they go low, you go high. [applause] and, look, if this were just about one video, maybe what he is saying tonight would be understandable.
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but everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point about whether or not the man in the video or the man on the stage respects women. but he never apologized for anything to anyone. he never apologized to mr. and mrs. khan, the gold star family, whose son, captain khan died in the line of duty in iraq and donald insulted and attacked them for weeks over their religion. he never apologized to the distinguished federal judge who was born in indiana, but donald said he couldn't be trusted to be a judge because his parents were quote, mexican. he never apologized to the reporter that he mimicked and mocked on national television and our children were watching. and he never apologized for the racist lie that president obama
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was not born in the united states of america. he owes the president an apology. he owes our country an apology and he needs to take responsibility for his actions and his words. trump: well you owe the president an apology, as you know, your own campaign, sidney blumenthal he is another real winner you have that got this started along with your campaign manager and they were on television just two weeks ago, she was saying exactly that. so you really owe him an apology. you're the one that sent pictures around your campaign. sent pictures around with president obama in a certain garb. that was long before i ever involved. so you actually owe an apology. number two, michelle obama, i have gotten to see the commercials that they did on you. and i got to sigh some of the most vicious commercials i have ever seen of michelle obama talking about you, hillary.
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so, you talk about friend, go back and take a look at those commercials. a race where you lost. fair and square unlike the bernie sanders race where you won but not fair and square in my opinion. and all you have to do is take a look at wikileaks see what they said about bernie sanders and see what debbie wasserman schultz had in mind because bernie sanders between superdelegates and debbie wasserman schultz, he never had a chan. i was so surprised to see him sign on with the devil. but when you talk about apology, i think the one that you should be apologizing for and the thing that you should be apologizing for are the 33,000 emails that you deleted and that you acid washed and then the two boxes of emails and other things last week, that were taken from an office and are now missing. and i'll tell you what. i didn't think i would say this but i'm going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win, i am going to
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instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor, to look into your situation. because there has never been so many lies, so much deception, there has never been anything like this are it. and we're going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where emails and you get a subpoena, you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena, you delete 33,000 emails. and then you acid wash them or bleach them as you would say, very expensive process. so we're going to get a special prosecutor and we're going to look into it, because you know what? people have been, their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of with what you have done. it is disgrace. honestly you awed to be ashamed of yourself. moderator: i will let you follow
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up. clinton: everything he just said is absolutely false. trump: really? moderator: audience needs -- clinton: i was told it would be impossible to fact-checking donald all the time. i would never get talking about anything i want to do and how we really make lives bitter for people. once again go so hillary we have trump and fact check him in real time. last time at the first debate we had millions of people fact-checking. so i expect we'll have millions more fact-checking because you know, it is, it is just awfully good that someone with the temperment of donald trump is not in charge of the law. trump: because you would be in jail. [shouting] moderator: secretary clinton -- moderator: we want to remind the audience please not talk out loud. please not applaud.
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you're wasting time. moderator: secretary clinton i want to follow up on emails. you said handling of e-mails was a mistake. you disagreed with fbi director james comey calling your handling of classified information quote, extremely careless. the fbi said there were 110 classified emails exchanged. eight of which were top secret and possible hostile actors gained access to those emails. you don't call that extremely careless? clinton: martha, first let me say, i said it before, but i will repeat it because i want everyone to hear it. that was a mistake and i take responsibility for using a personal email account. obviously if i were to do it over again i would not. i'm not making any excuses. it was a mistake. and i am very sorry about that but i think it is also important to point out where there are some misleading accusations from critics and others. after a year-long investigation,
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there is no evidence that anyone hacked the server i was using, and there is no evidence that anyone can point to at all, anyone who says otherwise has no basis, that any classified material ended up in the wrong hands. i take classified material very seriously. and, always have when i was on the senate armed services committee. i was privy to a lot of classified material. obviously as secretary of state. i had some of the most important secrets that we possess such as going after bin laden. so i am very committed to taking classified information seriously and as i said. there is no evidence that any classified information ended up in the wrong hands. moderator: we'll move on. trump: and yet she didn't know the word, the letter "c" on a document, right. she didn't even know what that word, what that letter meant. you know it is amazing i'm
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watching hillary go over facts and going affect affect because she is lying again because she said, what she did with the emails was fine. you think it was fine to delete 33,000 emails? i don't think so. she said 33,000 emails had to do with our daughter's wedding number one and yoga class. maybe we'll give three or four or five something. 33,000 emails deleted and now she is saying there wasn't anything wrong. and more importantly that was after getting a subpoena. that wasn't before. that was after. she go states congress. i'll be honest i am so disappointed in congressmen. trump: including republicans for allowing this to happen. our justice department where her husband goes on to the back of an airplane for 39 minutes talks to the attorney general days before a ruling will be made on her case. but for you to say that there was nothing wrong with you deleting 39,000 emails, again you should be ashamed of
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yourself. what you did and this is after getting a subpoena from the united states congress. moderator: we have to move on. secretary clinton we want to move on. moderator: we want audience a chance. trump: let alone getting subpoena from the united states con. moderator: secretary clinton, you can move on. clinton: it is not true. trump: you did not he delete them. clinton: they were personal emails not official -- trump: no. clinton: we turned over 35,000. trump: what about the other 15,000? moderator: please allow her to respond. she didn't talk when you talked. clinton: i didn't. trump: because you have nothing to say. clinton: i will try not to do this debate. i like to get questions to people that brought here tonight. trump: then get off this question. clinton: okay. donald. i know you're into big diversion tonight. anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it is exploding and way republicans are leaving you. trump: let's see what happens.
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moderator: allow her to respond. clinton: issues that people care about tonight. get to their questions. moderator: we have question from kin. he has a question about health care. ken. trump: i like to know, anderson, why aren't you bringing up emails. moderator: we brought up emails. trump: it hasn't and not finished at all. moderator: ken has question. trump: trump: nice one on three. >> affordable care act, known as obama care it is not affordable. premiums have gone up. deductibles have gone up. co-pays have gone up. prescriptions have gone up and coverage has gone down. what will you do to bring the cost down and make coverage better. moderator: that first one goes to secretary clinton because you started out last one to the audience. clinton: he wants to start, he can start. trump: go ahead, hillary. clinton: go ahead, donald. trump: i'm a gentleman. go ahead. [laughter]. moderator: secretary clinton. clinton: i think donald was about to say he will solve it by
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repealing it and getting rid of the affordable care act. and i'm going to fix it. i agree with you, premiums have gotten too high, co-pays, deductibles. prescription drug costs. i have laid out a series of actions we can take to get the costs down. here is what i don't want people to forget. when we're talking about raining in the costs, which has to be, highest priority of the next president. when the affordable care act passed, it wasn't just that 20 million people got insurance who didn't have it before. but that in of itself is good thing. i meet the people all the time. they tell me what a difference having that insurance meant to them and their families. but everybody else, 170 million of us who get health insurance through our employers got big benefits. number one, insurance companies can't deny you coverage because of a preexisting condition. number two, no lifetime limits, which is a big deal if you have
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serious health problems. number three, women can't be charged more than men for our health insurance which is the way it used to be, before the affordable care act. number four, if you're under 26 and your parents have a policy, you can be on that policy until the age of 26, something that didn't happen before. so i want very much to save what works and is good about the affordable care act. but we've got to get costs down. we have to provide some additional help to small businesses so they can afford to provide health insurance. but if we repeal it as donald has proposed, and start over again, all of those benefits i just mentioned are lost to everybody, not just people who get their health insurance on the exchange. and then we would have to start all over again. right now we are at 90% health insurance coverage. that is highest we've ever been in our country. moderator: secretary clinton, time up.
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clinton: i want 100%, get costs down, keep quality up. moderator: mr. trump, you have two minutes. trump: it is such a great question. maybe the question i get almost more than anything else outside of defense. obamacare is a disaster, you know it, we all know it. it is going up at numbers that nobody has ever seen worldwide. nobody has ever seen numbers like this for health care. it is only getting worse. in '17 it implodes by itself. their method of fixing it to go back and ask congress for more money, more and more money. we have almost $20 trillion in debt. obamacare will never work. it is very bad, very bad health insurance. far too expensive and not only expensive for the person that has it, unbelievably expensive for our country. it is going to be one of the biggest line items very shortly. we have to repeal it and replace it with something absolutely
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much less expensive and something that works where your plan can actually be tailored. we have to get rid of the lines around the state, artificial lines where we stop insurance companies coming in and competing because they wanted, president obama and whoever was working on it, they want to leave those lines because that i was got insurance companies essentially monopolies. we want competition. you will have the finest health care plan there is. she wants to go to single-payer plan which would be disaster, somewhat similar to canada. if you ever notice, canadians when they need a big operation, when something happens they come into the united states in many cases. because their system is so slow it is, it is catastrophic in certain ways. but she wants to go to single-payer which means the government basically rules everything. hillary clinton has been after this for years. obamacare was the first step. obamacare is a total disaster. and not only are your rates
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going up by numbers that nobody has ever believed, but your deductibles are going up. so that unless you get hit by a truck, you're never going to be able to use it. moderator: mr. trump, time. trump: disasterous plan and has to be repealed and replaced. moderator: secretary clinton, followed follow up with, your husband called obamacare craziest thing in the world. small business owners are getting killed, premiums double, coverage cut in half. was he mistaken or is his mistake telling truth? clinton: no he clarified what he meant. look, we're in a situation in our country where we were to start all over again we might come up with a different system but we have employer-based system. that is where the vast majority of people get their health care and the affordable care act was meant to try to fill the gap between people who were too poor and couldn't put together any resources to afford health care, namely people on medicaid. obviously medicare, which is a single-payer system which takes
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care of our elderly and does a great job doing it, by the way, then all the people who were employed but people who were working but didn't have the money to afford insurance and didn't have anybody, an employer, anybody else to help them. that was swath the obamacare approach was to take. 20 million people now have health insurance. so if we just rip it up and throw it away, what donald is not telling you we turn it back to the insurance companies the way it used to be. insurance companies get to do pretty much whatever they want, including i'm sorry, you have diabetes, you had cancer, your child has asthma. moderator: your time is up. clinton: you might not have insurance and you can't afford it. fix what is broken bit and not throw it all away to give back to the insurance companies. that is not going to work. moderator: mr. trump on this -- trump: just one thing. hillary everything is broken about it. number two, bernie sanders said
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that hillary clinton has very bad judgment. this is a perfect example of it. trying to save obamacare which is -- moderator: you said you want to end obamacare. you said you want to end obamacare and make coverage accessible for people with preexisting conditions. how do you force insurance companies to do that if you're no longer mandating -- trump: you will be able to. moderator: what does that mean? trump: i'll tell you what that means. you will have plans that are so good, because you have so much competition in the insurance industry, once we break out the lines and allow competition to come. moderator: are you going to have mandate that americans have to have health insurance? trump: excuse me. president obama, by keeping those lines, the boundary lines around each state, it was almost gone until just very toward the end of passage of obamacare. which by the way was a fraud. you know that. because jonathan gruber, the architect of obamacare, was said, he said it was a great lie. it was a big lie. president obama said you keep your doctor, keep your plan.
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the whole thing was a fraud and it doesn't work. when we get rid of those lines you will have competition and we will be able to keep preexisting. we'll be able to help people that can't get, don't have money because we are going to have people protected. and republicans feel this way. believe it or not and strongly this way. we'll block grant into the states, we'll block grant into medicaid, and into the states so that we will be able to take care of people without the necessary funds to take care of themselves. moderator: thank you, mr. trump. moderator: we go to gorba ahmed with a question for both candidates. >> hi. there are 3.3 million muslims in the united states and i am one of them. you mentioned working with muslim nations but with islamophobia on the rise, how will you help people like me deal with the consequences of being labeled as a threat to the country after the election is over? moderator: mr. trump, you're first. trump: well, you're right about islam maybe yaw, that is a --
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islamophobia, that is a shame. one thing we have to do is make sure, because there is a problem. i mean whether we like it or not, we can be very politically correct but whether we like it or not there is a problem. we have to be sure that muslims come in and report when they see something going on, when they see hatred going on have to report it. as for example, in san bernanadino many people saw bombs all over the apartment of two people that killed 14 and wounded manying many, people, horribly wounded they will never be the same. muslims have to report the problems when they see them. and you know, there is always a reason for everything. if they don't do that, it is very difficult situation for our country. because you look at orlando, and you look at san bernanadino and you look at world trade center. go outside, you look at paris, look at that horrible -- these are radical islamic terrorists and she won't even mention the word, nor will president obama.
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he won't use the term, radical islamic terrorism. now to solve a problem you have to be able to state what the problem is or at least say the name. she won't say the name and president obama won't say the name but the name is there. it is radical islamic terror. and before you solve it you have to say the name. moderator: secretary clinton. clinton: thank you for asking your question and i have heard this question from a lot of muslim-americans across our country. because unfortunately there has been a lot of very divisive dark things said about muslims. someone like captain khan, the young man sacrificed himself defending our country in the united states army has been subject to attack by donald. i want to say just a couple of things. first, we had muslims in america since george washington and we
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have had many successful muslims. we just lost a particularly well-known one with mohammed ali. my vision of america is an america where everyone has a place, if you're willing to work hard, you do your part, you contribute to the community. that is what america is. that is what we want america to be for our children and our grandchildren. it is also very short-sighted and even dangerous to be engaging in the kind of demagogic rhetoric that donald has about muslims. we need american-muslims to be part of our eyes and ears on our front lines. i have worked with a lot of different muslim groups around america. i have met with a lot of them and i have heard how important it is for them to feel that they are wanted and included and part of oountry, part of our homeland security. and that's what i want to see. it is also important, i intend
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to defeat isis, to do so in a coalition with majority muslim nations. right now a lot of those nations are hearing what donald says and wondering, why should we cooperate with the americans? and this is a gift to isis and the terrorists. violent jihadist terrorists. we are not at war with islam. and it is a mistake and it plays into the hands of the terrorists to act as though we are. so i want a country where citizens like you, and your family, are just as welcome as anyone else. moderator: thank you, secretary clinton. mr. trump in december you said this, donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut-down of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. we have no choice. we have no choice. your running mate said this week the muslim ban is no longer your position. is that correct?
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and if it is was it a mistake to have a religious test? trump: first of all captain khan is an american hero, if i were president at that time he would be alive today, but unlike her who voted for the war knowing what she was doing i would not have had our people in iraq. iraq was a disaster. so you woe have been alive today. the muslim ban is something that in some form has morphed into a extreme vetting from certain areas of the world. hillary clinton wants to allow -- moderator: why did it morph into that? no, answer the question. do you still believe. trump: why do you interrupt her. you interresult me all the time? moderator: explain whether or not the muslim ban still stands? trump: it calls extreme vetting, we're going to areas like syria, where they're coming in by the tens of thousands because of
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barack obama and hillary clinton wants to allow a 550% increase over obama. people are coming into our country like we have no idea who they are, where they're from, what their feelings about our country is, and she wants 550% more. this is going to be the great trojan horse of all time. we have enough problems in this country. i believe in building safe zones. i believe in having other people pay for them as an example, gulf states who are not carrying their weight but they have nothing but money. and take care of people. but i don't want to have with all the problems this country has, and all the of the problems that you see going on, hundreds of thousands of people coming in from syria when we know nothing about them. we know nothing about their values. we know nothing about their love for our country. moderator: secretary clinton, let me ask you about that. because you have asked for an increase from 10 to 65,000 syrian refugees.
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we know you want tougher vetting. that is not a perfect system. so why take the risk of having those refugees come into the country? clinton: well, first of all i will not let anyone into our country i think poses a risk to us but there are a lot of refugees, women and children, think of that picture we all saw that 4-year-old boy with the blood on his forehead because he had been bombed by the russian and syrian air forces. there are children suffering in this catastrophic war, largely i believe because of russian aggression. and we need to do our part. we by no means are carrying anywhere near the load that europe and others are. but we will have vetting that is as tough as it needs to be from our professionals, from our intelligence experts and others. but it is important for us as a
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policy, you know, not to say as donald has said, we're going to ban people based on a religion. how do you do that? we are a country founded on religious freedom and liberty. how do we do what he has advocated without causing great distress within our own country? are we going to have religious tests when people fly into our country? and how do we expect to be able implement those? so i thought that what he said was extremely unwise, and even dangerous. and indeed you can look at the propaganda on a lot of the terrorist sites and what donald trump says about muslims is used to recruit fighters because they want to create a war between us. and the final thing i would say,
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this is 10th or 12th time he denied being for the war in iraq. we have it on tape. the entire press corps has looked at it. it has been debunked him from saying. trump: has not been debunked. >> go to you can see it. trump: i was against the war in iraq and it has not been debunked. you voted for it and shouldn't have. moderator: i want to get online question. trump: she went 25 seconds overtime. can i respond. moderator: she did not. trump: can i respond? moderator: please. trump: we have many criminal illegal aliens. when we want to send them back to their country, their country says we don't want them. some cases murderers, drug lords, drug problems. they don't want them. hillary clinton when she was secretary of state. that is okay. we can't force it into their country. i will force them right back into their country. and there are murderers and very bad people. i will tell you very strongly
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when bernie sanders said she had bad judgment. she has really bad judgment. we are letting people into this country that are going to cause problems and crime like you have never seen. we're also letting drugs pour through our southern border at a record clip. at a record clip. and it shouldn't be allowed to happen. i.c.e. just endorsed me. they have never endorsed a presidential candidate. border patrol agents, 16,500 recently endorsed me. they endorsed me because i understand the border. she doesn't. she wants amnesty for everybody, come right in, come right over. it is a horrible thing she is doing. she has got bad judgment and honestly. so bad that she should never be president of the united states. that i can tell you. moderator: thank you, mr. trump. i want to move on. this next question comes from the public through the bipartisan open debate coalition's online forum where americans submitted questions that generated millions of votes. this question involves wikileaks
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releases purported excerpts of secretary clinton's paid speeches she refused to release and one line in particular, you, secretary clinton, purportedly say you need both a public and private position on certain issues. so too, from virginia asks, is it okay for politicians to be two-faced? is it anticipatable for a politician to have private stance on issues? secretary clinton, your two minutes. clinton: right, as i recall, that was something i said about abraham lincoln after having seen the wonderful steven spielberg movie called lincoln. it was a master class watching president lincoln get the congress to approve the 13th amendment. it was principled and it was strategic. and i was making the point that
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it is hard sometimes to get the congress to do what you want to do and you have to keep working at it. and yes, president lincoln was trying to convince some people, he used some arguments, corn vinceing other people he used other arguments. that is was a great, i thought a great display of presidential leadership. but you know, let's talk about what is really going on here, martha, because, our intelligence community just came out and said in the last few days that the kremlin, meaning putin and russian government, are directing the attacks, the hacking on american accounts to influence our election, and wikileaks is part of that as are other sites where the russians hack information. we don't even know if it is accurate information and than they put it out. we have never in the history of
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our country been in a situation where an adversary, a foreign power, is working so hard to influence the outcome of the election, and believe me, they're not doing it to get me elected. they're doing it to try to influence the election for donald trump. now maybe because he has praised putin. maybe because he says he agrees with a lot of what putin wants to do, maybe because he wants to do business in moscow, i don't know the reasons but we deserve answers and we should demand that donald release all of his tax returns so that people can see what are the entanglements and financial relationships -- moderator: we'll get to that later. secretary clinton, you're out of time. trump: i think i should respond so ridiculous. look, now she is blaming, she got caught in a total lie. her papers went out to all her friends at banks, goldman sachs, everybody else and she said things through wikileaks just came out and she lied.
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now she is blaming the lie on the late great, abraham lincoln. that is one that i -- okay. honest abe, never lied. that is the big difference between abraham lincoln and you. that is a big, big difference. we're talking about some difference. but, as far as other elements of what she was saying. i don't know putin. i think great we get along with russia fight isis as exam example. she doesn't know if the russians is doing hacking. the reason they blame russia because they think they're trying to tarnish me with russia. i know nothing about russia. i know about russia but i know nothing about the inner works of russia. i have no businesses. i have no loans from russia. i have a very grat balance sheet, so great when i did the old post office on pennsylvania avenue the united states government, because of
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balance sheet they know very well to do the old post office between the white house and congress. chose me to do the old post offices. one of the primary things, perhaps the primary thing was balance sheet. but i have no loans with russia. you could go to the united states government and they would probably tell you that. because they know my sheet very well in order to get that development. i had to v now the taxes are very simple thing. as soon as, first of all i pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. many of her friends took bigger deductions. warren buffett took a massive deduction. soros who is friend of hers, took a massive deduction. many of people giving her all this money she can do many more commercials than me take massive deductions. i pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes but, but, soon as my routine audit finished i will release my returns. i will be very proud to.
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moderator: turn to topic of taxes. question from spencer moss. spencer? >> good evening. my question is, what specific tax provisions will you change to insure the wealthiest americans pay their fair share in taxes? moderator: mr. trump, you have two minutes. trump: first thing i do is get rid of carried interest, one of the greatest provisions for people like me, to be honest with you, i give up a lot when i run, i knock out the tax code. she could have done this years ago. she was a united states senator. she complains donald trump took advantage of the tax code. why didn't she change it? why didn't you change it as a senator? the reason you didn't because all your friends take same advantage i do. you have provisions in the tax code we could frankly change. you couldn't change it because all of these people give you money so you can take negative ads on donald trump. but and i say that about a lot of things. i have heard hillary complaining about so many different things
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over the years, i wish you had done that she has been there for 30 years. she has been doing this stuff. she never changed and she never will change. we're getting rid of carried interest provisions. i'm lowering taxes actually because i think it is so important for corporations because we have corporations leaving, massive corporations, and little ones, little ones can't form. we're getting rid of regulations which goes hand in hand with lowering of taxes but we're bringing tax rate down from 35% to 15%. we're cutting taxes for the middle class. i will tell you, we are cutting them big league for the middle class. and i will tell you hillary clinton is raising your taxes folks. you can look at me. she is raising your taxes. really high. and what that is going to do is a disaster for the country. but she is raising your taxes and i'm lowering your taxes. that in itself the big difference. we're going to be thriving again. we have no growth in this country. there is no growth. if china has gdp of 7%, it is like national catastrophe, we're
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down to 1% and that is like no growth. we're going lower in my opinion. and a lot of it has to do with the fact that our taxes are so high. just about the highest in the world. and i'm bringing them down to one of lower in the world. and i think it is so important. one of the most important things we can do. but she is raising everybody's taxes massive live. moderator: secretary clinton you have two minutes. question what specific tax provisions to change to insure wealthiest americans pay fair share of taxes? clinton: everything you heard from donald is not true. i'm sorry i have to keep saying this. he lives in alternative reality. and it is sort of amusing to hear somebody who hasn't paid federal income taxes in maybe 20 years talking about what he is boeing to do. i tell you what he is going to do. his plan will give the wealthy and corporations the biggest tax cuts they have ever had. more than the bush tax cuts by at least a factor of two.
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donald always takes care of donald and people like donald and this would be a massive gift. and indeed, the way that he talks about his tax cuts would end up raising taxes on middle class families, millions of middle class families. here is what i want to do. i have said nobody who makes less than $250,000 a year, and that is the vast majority of americans as you know will have their taxes raised because i think we've got to go where the money is. the money is with people who have taken advantage of every single break in the tax code. yes, when i was a senator i did vote to close corporate loopholes. i voted to close, i think one of the loopholes he took advantage of when he claim ad billion dollar loss that enabled him to avoid paying taxes. i want to have a tax on people who are making a million dollars. it is called the "buffett rule." yes, warren buffett is one who has gone out somebody like him should not pay a lower tax rate
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than his secretary. i want to have a surcharge on incomes above 5 million. we have to make up for lost time because i want to invest in you. i want to invest in hard-working families. and i think it's been unfortunate but it's happened since the great recession the gains have gone all to the top. and we need to reverse that. people like donald who paid zero in taxes, zero for our vets, zero for our military, zero for health and education, that is wrong. moderator: thank you. >> we'll make sure maybe, no corporation and no individual can get away without paying his fair share for our country. moderator: mr. trump, give you a chance to respond. tell viewers what she is riverring to, taxes were number one on issue in facebook first time in the campaign. "new york times" published three pages of your 1995 tax returns. they showed you claim ad $965 million loss, you could have avoided paying personal
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federal income taxes for years. you pay state taxes employee taxes, property taxes, you have nod answered simple question. did you lose 965 million-dollar loss to avoid paying personal income taxes. trump: of course i do. so do her donors. her donors did a lot of writeoffs. miriest office are personal depreciation they allowed. i understand the tax code better than anybody ever run for president. hillary clinton and extremely complex, hillary clinton has friends that want all of these provisions including, they want carried interest provision which is very important to wall street people. they really want the carried interest provision which i believe hillary is leaving. very interesting why she is leaving carried interest. number one i pay tremendous numbers about taxes. i absolutely used it.
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so did warren buffett and so did george soros and so did many of the other people that hillary is getting money from. now, i won't mention their names, because they're rich but they're not famous. so we won't make them famous. moderator: can you say how many years you have avoided paying personal federal income taxes. trump: no, but i pay federal tax too. i have a lot of writeoff. a writeoff of depreciation. that is wonderful charge. she has given it to us. if she had a problem for 30 years she has been doing this anderson, i say it all the time. talks about health care. why didn't she do something about it? she talks about taxes why didn't she do something about it? she doesn't do anything about anything other than talk. with her it is all talk and no action. and again, bernie sanders, it is really bad judgment. she has made bad judgment and not only on taxes, she has made bad judgments on libya, syria, iraq. her and obama, whether you like it or not, the way they got out
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of iraq, the vacuum they have left that is why isis formed in the first place. they started from that little area and now they're in 32 different nations hillary. congratulations. great job. . moderator: want you to be able to respond, secretary clinton. clinton: well, here we go again, i've been in favor of getting rid of carried interest for years, starting when i was a senator from new york. but that's not the point here. trump: why didn't you do that? moderator: let her respond. clinton: because i was a senator with a republican president. trump: really? you could have done it. if you were an effective senator, you could have done it. if you were an effective senator, you could have done it. moderator: she's allowed to respond, she didn't interrupt you. clinton: under our constitution, presidents have something called veto power. look, he has said repeatedly 30 years this, 30 years that. let me talk about my 30 years in public service. i'm very glad to do so.
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8 million kids, every year, have health insurance because when i was first lady, i worked with democrats and republicans to create the children's health insurance program. hundreds of thousands of kids now have a chance to be adopted because i worked to change our adoption and foster care system. after 9/11, i went to work with republican mayor, governor and president to rebuild new york and to get health care for our first responders who are suffering because they had run toward danger and gotten sickened by it. hundreds of thousands of national guard and reserve members have health care because of work they did, and children have safer medicines because i was able to pass a law required to have dosing more carefully done. when i was secretary of state, i went around the world, advocating for our country, but also advocating for women's rights, to make sure that women had a decent chance to have a
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better life, and negotiated a treaty with russia to lower nuclear weapons. 400 pieces of legislation have my name on it, as a sponsor or cosponsor when i was a senator for eight years. i worked very hard and was very proud to be re-elected in new york by an even bigger margin than elected the first time, and as president, i will take that work, that bipartisan work, that finding common ground because you have to be able to get along with people to get things done in washington. moderator: thank you, secretary. clinton: and i've proven they can. and for 30 years, i produced results for people. moderator: we're going to move onto syria. both of you mentioned that -- trump: she said a lot of things, i think we need to peel it out. it's a disaster. moderator: we are going to move on. the heart-breaking video of a five-year-old boy after being pulled from the rubble after airstrike in aleppo focused the
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world's attention on the horrors of the war in syria. with 136 million views on facebook alone. but there are much worse images coming out of aleppo every day now where in the past few weeks alone, 400 people have been killed, at least 100 of them children. just days ago, the state department called for a war crimes investigation of the syrian regime of bashar al-assad, and its ally, russia. for bombardment of aleppo. so this next question comes from social media through facebook. diane from pennsylvania asks, if you were president, what would you do about syria, and the humanitarian crisis in aleppo? isn't it a lot like the holocaust when the u.s. waited too long before we helped? secretary clinton, we will begin with your two minutes. clinton: well, the situation in syria is catastrophic, and every day that goes by, we see the results of the regime by
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assad in partnership with the iranians on the ground, the russians in the air. bombarding places, in particular, aleppo, where there are hundreds of thousands of people probably about 250,000 still left, and there is a determined effort by the russian air force to destroy aleppo, in order to eliminate the last of the syrian rebels who are really holding out against the assad regime. russia hasn't paid any attention to isis. they're interested in keeping assad in power. so i, when i was secretary of state, advocated and i advocate today a no-fly zone and safe zones. we need some leverage with the russians because they're not going to come to the negotiating table for a diplomatic resolution unless there is some leverage over them. and we have to work more
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closely with our partners and allies on the ground. but i want to emphasize that what is at stake here is the ambitions and the aggressiveness of russia. russia has decided that it's all-in, in syria, and they've also decided who they want to see become the president of the united states, and it's not me. i've stood up to russia, i've taken on putin and others, i would do that as president. i think wherever we can cooperate with russia, that's fine, and i did as secretary of state. that's how we got a treaty reducing nuclear weapons, it's how we got the sanctions on iran that put a lid on the iranian nuclear program without firing a single shot. so i would go to the negotiating table with more leverage than we have now. but i do support the effort to investigate for crimes, war crimes committed by the syrians and the russians and try to hold them accountable. moderator: thank you, secretary
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clinton. mr. trump. trump: first of all as secretary of state with the line in the sand. clinton: no, i wasn't, i was gone, i hate to interrupt you. trump: excuse me. excuse me, you were in total contact with the white house, and perhaps sadly obama probably still listened to you, i don't think i would listen to you very much anymore. obama draws the line in the sand. it was laughed at all over the world what happened. with that being said. she talks tough against russia, but our nuclear program has fallen way behind, and they've gone wild with their nuclear program, not good. our government shouldn't have allowed that to happen. russia is new in terms of nuclear. we're old, tired, exhausted in terms of nuclear. a very bad thing. she talk tough, she talks really tough against putin, and against assad. she talks in favor of the rebels. she doesn't even know who the rebels are. every time we take rebels,
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whether it's in iraq or anywhere else, we're arming people. and you know what happens? they end up being worse than the people. look at what she did in libya with gadhafi. gadhafi is out, it's a mess, by the way, isis has a good chunk of their oil, i'm sure you heard that. it was a disaster. the fact is almost everything she's done in foreign policy has been a mistake and a disaster. if luke at russia, just take a look at russia and look at what she did this week where, i agree she wasn't there but possibly consulted. we signed a peace treaty, everyone is excited. what russia did with assad, and iran who you made powerful with the dumbest deal, the iran deal with $150 billion, with the 1.7 billion in cash which is enough cash to fill up this room, but look at that deal, iran now and russia are now against us. so she wants to fight, she
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wants to fight for rebels. there's only one problem, you don't know who the rebels are. moderator: mr. trump, your two minutes is up. trump: i don't like assad at all, but assad is killing isis. russia is killing isis, and iran is killing isis, and those three have lined up because of our weak foreign policy. moderator: mr. trump, let me repeat the question. if you were president -- [laughter]. moderator: what would you do about syria and the humanitarian crisis in aleppo and i want to remind you what your running mate said. he said provocations by russia need to be met with american strength and that if russia continues to be involved in airstrikes along with the syrian government forces of assad, the united states of america should be prepared to use military force to strike the military targets of the assad regime. trump: okay, he and i haven't spoken, and i disagree. moderator: you disagree with your running mate. trump: i would knock out isis.
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right now syria is fighting isis. we have people that want to fight both at the same time. syria is no longer syria, it's russia and iran who she made strong and kerry and obama, made into a powerful and rich nation, very, very quickly, very, very quickly. i believe we have to get isis. we have to worry about isis before we can get too much more involved. she had a chance to do something with syria. they had a chance. and that was the line. moderator: what do you think will happen if aleppo falls? trump: i think aleppo is a disaster. moderator: what will you do if it falls? >> it basically has fallen. look at mosul. basic thing i have with the stupidity of mosul, we have announcements coming out of washington and iraq, we'll be attacking mosul in three or four week. all of the bad leaders from
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isis are leaving mosul. why can't they do it quietly? why can't they do the attack, make it a sneak attack and after the attack is made, informed american public that we've knocked out the leaders. we've had a tremendous success. people leave. why do they have to say we're going to be attacking mosul within the next four to six weeks, which is what they're saying. how stupid is our country? moderator: there are sometimes reason the military does that. trump: i can't think of any. i can't think of any. we had general flynn and we had -- look, i had 200 generals and admirals who endorsed me. i have 21 congressial medal of honor recipients who endorse me. we talk about it all the time. they understand. why can't they do something secretively? where they go in and they knock out the leadership? why would these people stay there? i've been reading there -- trump: tell me what your strategy is. trump: mosul is the harbor of
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where between raqaa and mosul, this is where they think the isis leaders are. why would they be staying? they're not staying there anymore, they're gone. because everybody is talking about how iraq, which is us with our leadership, goes into fight mosul. now, with the 200 admirals and generals, they can't believe it. all i say is this. general george patton, general douglas macarthur are spinning in their grave at the stupidity of the middle east. moderator: i'm going to go to secretary clinton. secretary clinton, you want assad to go, you advocated arming rebels but looks like it's too late for aleppo, you talk about diplomatic efforts, those have failed, cease-fires have failed. would you introduce the threat of u.s. military force beyond a no-fly zone against the assad regime to back up diplomacy? clinton: i would not use american ground forces in syria. i think that would be a very serious mistake.
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i don't think american troops should be holding territory which is what they would have to do as an occupying force. i don't think that is a smart strategy. i do the think the use of special forces, the use of enablers and trainers in iraq which has had some positive effect are very much in our interest. so i do support what is happening. moderator: what would you do differently than president obama is doing? clinton: martha, i hope that by the time -- trump: everything. clinton: i hope by the time i am president that we will have pushed isis out of iraq. i do think that there is a good chance that we can take mosul, and, you know, donald says he knows more about isis than the generals. no, he doesn't. there are a lot of very important planning going on, and some of it is to signal to the sunnis in the area as well
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as kurdish peshmerga fighters that we all need to be in this, that takes a lot of planning and preparation. i would go after baghdadi, i would specifically target baghdadi, i think our targeting of al qaeda leaders, and i was involved in a lot of those operations, highly classified ones, made a difference. so i think that could help. i would also consider arming the kurds. the kurds have been our best partners in syria as well as iraq, and i know there's a lot of concern about that in some circles, but i think they should have the equipment they need so kurdish and arab fighters on the ground are the principal way that we take raqaa after pushing isis out of iraq. moderator: thank you very much, we're going to move on. trump: she went over a minute over and you don't stop her. when i go over -- moderator: you had many answers. a question from james carter.
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mr. carter? >> my question is, do you believe you can be a devoted president to all the people in the united states? moderator: that question begins for mr. trump. trump: absolutely. i mean, she calls our people deplorable. a large group, and irredeemable. i will be a president for all of our people, a i will be a president that willurn our inner cities around, and will give strength to people, and will give economics to people, and will bring jobs back because nafta, signed by her husband is the greatest disaster, trade deal in the history of the world. not of this country. it stripped us of manufacturing jobs. we lost our jobs, we lost our money, we lost our plants. it is a disaster. now she wants to sign tpp, now
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she says she's for it, she called it the gold standard. at last debate she lied, turns out she did say the gold standard, and she said she didn't say it. they actually said she lied, and she lied, she's lied about a lot of things. i would be a president for all of the people, african-americans, the inner cities, devastating what's happening to our inner cities. she's been talking about it for years, as usual, she talks about, it nothing happens. she doesn't get it done. same with the latino-americans. the hispanic-americans, the same exact thing, they talks, they don't get it done. you go into the inner cities 45% poverty. african-americans now 45% poverty in the inner cities. the education is a disaster. jobs are essentially nonexistent. i mean, it's -- you know, and i've been saying big speeches where i have 20,000 and 30,000
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people, what do you have to lose? it can't get any worse. and she's been talking about the inner cities for 25 years. nothing is going to ever happen. let me tell you, if she's president of the united states, nothing is going to happen, it's going to be talk. and all of her friends, the taxes we are talking about. i would get it by osmosis, she's not doing me favors, by doing all the others favors, she's doing me favors. i will tell you she's all talk, it doesn't get done. take a look at her senate run, take a look at upstate new york. moderator: two minutes are up. secretary clinton, you have two minutes, secretary clinton. clinton: well, 67% of the people voted to re-elect meor my second term and i was proud and humbled by that. mr. carter, i have tried my entire life to do what i can to support children and families. you know, right out of law school, i went to work for the
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children's defense fund. and donald talks about the 30 years i've been in public service. i'm proud of that. i started off as a young lawyer, working against discrimination against african-american children and schools and in the criminal justice system. i worked to make sure that kids with disabilities could get a public education. something they care very much about. i have worked with latinos, one of my first jobs in politics was down in south texas, registering latino citizens to be able to vote. so i have a deep devotion to use your absolutely correct word, to making sure that every american feels like he or she has a place in our country, and i think when you look at the letters that i get, a lot of people are worried that maybe they wouldn't have a place in donald trump's america. they write me, and one woman wrote me about her son felix, she adopted him from ethiopia
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when he was a toddler. he's 10 years old now, the only country he's ever known, and listening to donald on tv and said to his mother, will he send me back to ethiopia when he's elected? children listen to what's being said, to go back to the very, very first question, and there's a lot of fear. in fact teachers and parents are calling it the trump effect. bullying is up, a lot of people are feeling uneasy. a lot of kids are expressing their concerns, so first and foremost, i will do everything i can to reach out to everybody, democrats, republicans, independents, people across our country. if you don't vote for me, i still want to be your president. moderator: your two minutes is up. clinton: the best president i can be for every american. moderator: two minutes is up. something donald trump said to you, a comment you made last month. you said half of donald trump's supporters are deplorables,
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racist, islamophobic, you didn't express regret for using the term deplorables, to mr. carter's question, how can you unite a country if you've written off tens of millions of americans? clinton: within half hour, i said i was sorry i talked about that, my argument is not with supporters, it's with him, and the hateful and divisive campaign he has run and the inciting of violence at his rallies, and the very brutal kinds of comments about not just women, but all americans, all kinds of americans. and what he has said about african-americans and latinos, about muslims, about p.o.w.'s, about immigrants, about people with disabilities, he's never apologized for. and so i do think that a lot of the tone and tenor that he has set, i'm proud of the campaign bernie sanders and i ran. we ran a campaign based on issues not insults, he is
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supporting me 100%, we talked about what we wanted to, do we might have had differences and had a lot of debate, but we believed we could make the country better, and i was proud of that. moderator: give you a minute. trump: we have a divided nation, we have a very divided nation, you look at charlotte, you look at baltimore, you look at violence taking place in the inner cities, chicago. you take a look at washington, d.c. we have an increase in murder with inner cities, the biggest in 45 years. we have a divided nation because people like her, and believe me, she has tremendous hate in her heart, and when she said deplorables, she meant it, and when she said irredeemable, they're irredeemable, you didn't mention that. when she said irredeemable, that might have been worse. moderator: she said some of them are irredeemable. trump: tremendous hatred, this
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country cannot take another four years of barack obama, that's what you're getting with her. moderator: mr. trump, follow up with you. you wrote in one of your books, the most important characteristic of a good leader is discipline, if a leader doesn't have it, quote, he or she won't be one very long. you sent out a series of tweets from 3:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. including one that told people to check out a sex tape. trump: no, it was looking at person she built up to be this wonderful girl scout, who was no girl scout. just so you understand, when she said 3:00 in the morning, take a look at benghazi, she said who's going to answer the call at 3:00 in the morning. she didn't answer because when ambassador stevens, 600 times, she said she was awake at 3:00 in the morning. she sent a tweet out at 3:00 in the morning, i won't mention that. guess what happened? ambassador stevens, ambassador
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stevens sent 600 requests for help, and the only one she talked to was sidney blumenthal, who's her friend, and not a good guy, by the so she shouldn't be talking about that. now, tweeting happens to be a modern-day form of communication. i mean you can like it or not like it. have between facebook and twitter, i have almost 25 million people, it's a very effective way of communication, so you can put it down but it is a very effective form of communication. i'm not unproud of it, to be honest with you. moderator: secretary clinton, does mr. trump have the discipline to be a good leader? clinton: no. trump: i'm shocked to hear that. [ laughter ] >> it's not only my opinion, it's the opinion of many others. national security experts, republicans, former republican members of congress, but it's in part because those of us who have had the great privilege of seeing this job upclose and
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know how difficult it is, and it's not difficult because i watched my husband take a $300 billion deficit and turn it into a $200 billion surplus, and 23 million new jobs were created and incomes went up for everybody. everybody. african-american incomes went up 33%. and it's not just because i worked with george w. bush after 9/11, and i was very proud that when i told him what the city needed, what we needed to recover, he said you got it, and never waivered. he stuck with me, and i have worked and i admire president obama. he inherited the worst financial crisis since the great depression. that was a terrible time for our country. moderator: we have novalong. secretary clinton, we have to -- clinton: $13 trillion in family wealth was wiped out. we are back on the right track. he would send us back into recession with his tax plans. moderator: secretary clinton, we are moving to an audience
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question. trump: we have the slowest growth -- moderator: mr. trump, moving to an audience question. trump: since 1929. moderator: we are moving to an audience question and want to get to the audience. thank you very much, both of you. [ laughter ] >> another audience question, beth miller has a question for both candidates. >> good evening. perhaps the most important aspect of this election is the supreme court justice. what would you prioritize as the most important aspect of selecting a supreme court justice? moderator: we begin with your two minutes, secretary clinton. clinton: thank you, you're right, this is one of the most important issues in this election. i want to appoint supreme court justices who understand the way the world really works, who have real life experience, who have not just been in a big law firm and maybe clerked for a judge and gotten on the bench, but maybe they tried some more cases.
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they actually understand what people are up against because i think the current court has gone in the wrong direction, and so i would want to see the supreme court reverse citizens united, and get dark unaccountable money out of our politics. donald trump doesn't agree with that. voting rights are a big problem in many parts of our country, that we don't always do everything we can to make it possible for people of color and older people and young people to be able to exercise their franchise. i want a supreme court that will stick with roe v. wade and a woman's right to choose, and a supreme court that will stick with marriage equality. now donald has put forth the names of some people he would consider. and among the ones that he has suggested are people who would reverse roe v. wade and reverse marriage equality. that would be a terrible mistake and take us backwards.
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i want a supreme court that doesn't always side with corporate interests. i want a supreme court that understands because you're wealthy and can you give more money to something, doesn't mean you have any more rights or should have any more rights than anybody else. i have very clear views about what i want to see to change the balance on the supreme court, and i regret deeply that the senate has not done its job, and they have not permitted a vote on the person president obama, a highly qualified person, they've not given him a vote to be able to have the full complement of nine supreme court justices, that was a dereliction of duty. i hope that they will see their way to doing it, but if i am so fortunate as to be president, i will immediately move to make sure that we fill that. we have nine justices -- moderator: thank you, secretary clinton. clinton: work on behalf of the people. moderator: thank you, mr. trump. trump: justice scalia, great judge, died recently, and we
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have a vacancy. i am looking to appoint judges very much in the mold of justice scalia. i'm looking for judges, and i've actually picked 20 of them. so that people would see. highly respected. highly thought of and actually very beautifully reviewed by just about everybody, but people that will respect the constitution of the united states, and i think that this is so important. also the 2nd amendment which is totally under siege by people like hillary clinton, they'll respect the 2nd amendment and what it stands for and represents. so important to me. hillary mentioned something about contributions, just so you understand. i will have in my race, more than $100 million put of my money. meaning i'm not taking all of this big money from all of the different corporations like
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she's doing. i'm putting in more so by the time it's finished i'll have more than $100 million invested. pretty much self-funding mine, raising money for the republican party and doing tremendously on the small donations, $61 average or so. i ask hillary, why doesn't she make $250 million by being in office? she used the power of her office to make a lot of money. why isn't she funding not 100 million? or put 10 or 20 or 25 or $30 million into your campaign. it's $30 million less for special interest that will tell you exactly what to do, and be a nice sign to the american public. why aren't you putting money in. you've made a lot of it because of the fact that you've been in office. you made a lot of it while you were secretary of state, actually. so why aren't you putting money into your own campaign. just curious? moderator: thank you very much, we're going to get onto one more question. clinton: the question is about the supreme court, and i want to say, i respect the 2nd
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amendment but i believe there should be comprehensive background checks and we should close the gun show loophole and close the online loophole. moderator: we have one more question, mrs. clinton. clinton: as we possibly can. moderator: one more question from ken bone about energy policy. ken? >> what steps will your energy policy make to meet our energy needs while statement remaining environmentally friendly and eliminating job loss for fossil fuel workers? trump: such a great question, energy surround siege by the obama administration, under absolute siege. the epa, environmental protection agency is killing these energy companies, and foreign companies are now coming in buying our -- buying so many of our different plants and rejiggering the plant so they can take care of their oil. we are killing, absolutely killing our energy business in this country.
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now i'm all for alternative forms of energy, including wind, including solar, et cetera, but we need much more than wind and sole aand you look at our miners. hillary clinton wants to put all the miners out of business. there is a thing called clean coal. coal will last for a thousand years in this country. now we have natural gas and so many other things because of technology, we have unbelievable -- we have found over the last seven years, we have found tremendous wealth under our feet. so good. especially when have you 20 trillion in debt. i will bring our energy companies back. they'll be able to compete. they'll make money, they'll pay off our national debt. they'll pay off our tremendous budget deficits, which are tremendous, but we are putting our energy companies out of business. we have to bring back our workers. you take a look what's happening to steel and the cost of steel and china dumping vast
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amounts of steel all over the united states, which essentially is killing our steel workers and our steel companies. we have to guard our energy companies. we have to make it possible. the epa is so restrictive that they're putting our energy companies out of business, and all you have to do is go to a great place like west virginia or places like ohio which is phenomenal or places like pennsylvania and you see what they're doing to the people, miners and others in the energy business, it's a disgrace. moderator: time is up. secretary clinton, two minutes? >> well, that was very interesting. first of all, china is illegally dumping steel in the united states and donald trump is buying it to build his buildings. putting steelworkers and american steel plants out of business. that's something they fought against as a senator, and i would have a trade prosecutor
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to make sure that we don't get taken advantage of by china, on steel or anything else. you know because it sounds like you're in the business or you're aware of people in the business. you know that we are now for the first time ever energy independent. we are not dependent upon the middle east, but the middle east still controls a lot of the prices, so the price of oil has been way down, and that has had a damaging effect on a lot of the oil companies, right? we are, however, producing a lot of natural gas which serves as a bridge to more renewable fuels, and i think that's an important transition. we've got to remain energy independent. it gives us much more power and freedom than to be worried about what goes on in the middle east. we have enough worries over there without having to worry about that. so i have a comprehensive energy policy but it really does include fighting climate change because i think that is
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a serious problem, and i support moving toward more clean renewable energy as quickly as we can, because i think we can be the 21st century clean energy superpower and create millions of new jobs and businesses. but i also want to be sure that we don't leave people behind. that's why i'm the only candidate from the very beginning of this campaign who had a plan to help us revitalize coal country, because the coal miners, fathers and grandfathers, lost their lives, they were injured, turned the lights off because they powered the factories. the price of coal is down worldwide. we have to look at this comprehensively and that's what i have proposed. i hope you will go to hillary and look at my entire policy. moderator: one more audience question. we've sneaked in one more question, and it comes from
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carl becker. >> good evening. my question to both of you is, regardless of the current rhetoric, would either of you name one positive thing that you respect in one another? [applause] . moderator: mr. trump, would you like to go first? clinton: well, i certainly will, because i think it's a very fair and important question. look, i respect his children. his children are incredibly able and devoted and i think that says a lot about donald. i don't agree with nearly anything else he says or does, but i do respect, that and i think that is something that as a mother and a grandmother is very important to me.
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so i believe that this election has become in part so conflict oriented, so intense because there's a lot at stake. this is not an ordinary time and this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president who will set policy for not just four or eight years but because of some of the important decisions we have to make here at home but around the world, from the supreme court, to energy and so much else, and so there is a lot at stake, it's one of the most consequential elections that we've had. and that's why i tried to put forth specific policies and plans, trying to get it off of the personal and put it onto what it is i want to do as president. and that's why i hope people will check on that for themselves so they can see that, yes, i've spent 30 years, actually a little more, working
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to help kids and families, and want to take all that experience to the white house and do that every single day. moderator: mr. trump? trump: well, i consider her statement about my children to be a very nice compliment. i don't know if it was meant to be a compliment. but i'm very proud of my children, and they've done a wonderful job and they've been wonderful, wonderful kids. so i consider that a compliment. i will say this about hillary, she doesn't quit, she doesn't give up. i respect that. i tell it like it is. she's a fighter, i disagree with much of what she's fighting for. i do disagree with her judgment in many cases, but she does fight hard and she doesn't quit and she doesn't give up, and i consider that to be a very good trait. moderator: thanks to both of you. [applause] . moderator:ment to thank both the candidates, thank the university. this concludes the town hall
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meeting, to the university and everybody who watched. >> tune in on october 19th for the final presidential debate that will take place at the university of nevada las vegas. good night, everyone. [applause] >> all right, well, that went well. man, oh, man, about a 97-minute battle that started with neither shake hands. they're doing so at ending, but they didn't waste a nanosecond going right at each other. the drama builds before they got to the stage tonight, when donald trump decided to invite four of bill clinton and hillary clinton's accusers from juanita broaddrick to paula jones during the clinton years, those who claim that the president physically abused them. of course, this in response to donald trump and the release of that tape more than 11 years old which he made some harassing comments and he said, well, i might have said some bad stuff. shi he did a lot of bad stuff.
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clinton children did not seem too impressed from the comment from hillary clinton and hillary clinton with her husband bill. but for the first time in the same room, those accusers. so bill clinton there looked a little uncomfortable as he went into the evening, knowing what they were in store for, but again with, my colleague lou dobbs right now. i don't think i've ever seen a debate quite like this. >> no, and i suspect there will never be one quite like it. >> but for donald trump, i think a much better evening than his first. >> i think it's much better than much better. he won the debate. he took control of it. took control of it before it began with the news event as it was filed with the four victims of bill clinton who had been ignored by the mainstream media. he's clearly the winner. there are a number of losers here as well, and among them the left, the left wing of the mainstream media, which is nearly all of it, having to
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account for coverage, having to account for the fact they pretended in this event, there was only one candidate who had a problem as a result of that video last friday, when, in fact, there are two with the document dump of wikileaks. and i think the debate commission has a lot to answer for because these two moderators were absolutely biased. >> well, they interrupted him four times, almost five times as much as they interrupted her. they argued, martha raddatz said because you kept going over. i clocked her responses, she was going over as well. we leave that to people as to why this is happeninger. >> it was suggested in the first two previous debates, martha raddatz was a participant in the debate. she's going to be roundly criticized for it.
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the two moderators, neither of them looked happy to be asked to moderate this debate. >> that's right, that's right. >> they were in the uncomfortable position too, they were as surprised as anyone by donald trump's move to have the women there. but to my surprise, lou, this did not generate into a he said/she said, 90 minutes of horrible things you have said or done to women. he got it out there right away, apologized for it right after her, and it escalated to a point but then onto the other issues. >> and on those issue, trump was as focused as we expected him to be in the first debate. he was as energetic as we expected him to be. this was -- this reminded me so much and barack obama in his second debate with mitt romney. >> i think your impression and my impression may both be wrong, he evened it up at one
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apiece, being more direct and countering. that the scrum in all of this, as they like to call in the spin room where lou and i are sitting is kennedy. they set up barricades which seems to intimate we're going to see at least mr. trump come into the room as well as some of the old clinton accusers, they are invited, they're in the audience as one of the only two ways you leave the auditorium, so they would all come out through there. kennedy, your quick thoughts of the people deluging out of there? >> reporter: yes, we are in the pennedoff scrum, that happened at hofstra, the barricades went up immediately. the secret service sweeping, donald trump came through and spoke to members of the media and hoping and anticipating he does the same thing this time, and he had a markedly different performance, and i could not be surprised if he wants to make a lap to talk about the changes,
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evolutions and improvements he made in his game, specifically the predebate press conference and how that might have rattled secretary clinton and changed her tenor. >> all right, i know you're going to wait there. some of them are going to make their way. not nearly as big as the other venues, possibly quickly you will hear from donald trump talking to our kennedy, or anyone else. everyone will go through the same doors here. bill clinton talks to folks there. he was noticeably ashen going in no doubt about hearing some of the people he accused of raping and worse were going to be in the auditorium. trish regan, you are with me in new york. one of the things about the sites, you and i were surfing, a lot of people making a big deal of donald trump never sitting down, almost as one woman put itoy think the site, almost stalking her. that was not my impression of a
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man, he was just preferring to stand and moved the stage a lot. as a woman, a lot of the women were e-mailing that. trish? >> i didn't pick up on that at all. some people like to stand, some like to sit. i stood up a couple of times as i was watching just because it was a long 90 minutes. i don't know if you can infer much from. that what i would say, neil, is this was a much better performance. this is what he needed to do. this is what people anticipated they would see from him at the last go-around. he was much more prepared. he came ready with a pointed argument to be able to fire at her on many different topics. there were some areas that he probably could have used a little more prep when he was talking, for example, about syria and aleppo. when he talked about islamophobia in this country, his answers started to meander. i would say over all, a really
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strong performance from him, and he did unsettle her enough to really start to change the sort of tenor of how everything unfolded there. i think that people will walk away from this with a much better impression of him and his dedication to prepping for these debates. >> he was certainly more on his game and brought up the key points lou and i were mentioning that he didn't in the first debate. the deplorables and the stuff he had forgotten to that governor pence did in his debate. some of the headlines from politico, ugliest debate ever, "washington post" trump promises special prosecutor to investigate clinton. the hill, trump swings at clinton on e-mails. you'd be in jail. it's interesting that trump is the ugly guy. she's not. but what do you make of this
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and how the media could score it one way, folks at home score it another way. he did hit on the points he had forgotten to or lost focus on in the last debate? >> he's been requestioned on her abhorrence to his candidacy, and i understand that. a couple of things. one, the issue that you raised about standing throughout the debate. the only inference that can be drawn from that is that he is a man of greater energy than some who could not stand through an hour and a half of that. secondly, the idea that martha raddatz would cut him off, interrupt him four times as much as, and anderson cooper four times as much. this was a debate in which you see, in these follow-up reports, i mean, the mainstream liberal media is validating the very charges that were validated in the debate.
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they're biased. >> what do you think that donald trump wouldn't have any of it? he would go back to the questioners, you didn't interrupt her, you repeated me, as if to illustrate the point. clock me on this. i hope you are seeing i have been interrupted four, five times more. >> by the way, we were watching. >> clocking it. secondly, the business people would infer he was stalking the -- that's a sexist view, that's absolutely sexist and those people admonished for being so. i hope somebody does. that straightaway. >> it was interesting, the site devoted to e-mails on that thing. we have a lot coming up here, unlike the vice presidential debate where they hung out and sort of like were guests that wouldn't leave a party, both candidates have left. remember with kaine and pence, they stayed until the next morning. they had like a denny's
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breakfast there. >> and you could watch the entourages. >> we want to go to the spin room, the scrum where both sides get the word out if their candidate won. for donald trump, it is safe to say the revelation of tapes from 11 years ago and further more talked about the fact it would be more tapes or this will document the full 90 minutes. it's not going to be the case. he is leaving, that is donald trump with his family, we did not get any statement from governor pence his running mate watching in indianapolis. but senator tim kaine indicated he's quite satisfied with that. again, from washington university, the second debate now history. donald trump got through this, he threw a couple of hail mary passes, and it would seem, i stress, seem it worked. more after this.
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. >> okay, donald, i know you're into big aversion tonight, anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it's exploding and everyone is leaving you. >> let's see what happens. >> people care about tonight. >> i'd like to know, anderson, why aren't you bringing up the e-mails. >> you brought up the e-mails. >> it hasn't, and it hasn't been finished at all. >> kim has a question. >> nice, one on three. neil: all right, that was just one of the feisty exchanges here in st. louis, and as the second presidential debate
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wraps up here, they were both going toe-to-toe, there was a great deal it drama before the debate started and drama during the debate, and i understand with antics behind me, continued drama. you moi when they came onto the stage, they never shook hands, they shook hands afterwards. richard trumka, big hillary clinton supporter, president of the afl-cio. how do you think it went? >> interesting. i think donald trump tried to come in and unnerve hillary clinton. he failed at doing that. if he was trying to rescue his campaign, i don't think he did a very good job tonight, because he hasn't rehabilitated himself with women. neil: why didn't he rehabilitate himself with women? one camp is saying he might have neutralized it by bringing the clinton accusers into the room and the tape released from 11 years ago.
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>> i think it failed miserably and backfired on him. what it didn't do is acknowledge he was wrong. neil: he apologized. >> that wasn't an apology. he read a statement, you and i know there wasn't an apology. neil: you wanted more in this debate, and ironically it wasn't, were you surprised? >> i wanted to hear more about policy. >> you think she was off her game? people of saying he kind of spooked her. >> i don't think he spooked her at all. i think she was steady. neil: on the health care, what's been going on there, the pace of this economy? >> he was almost incoherent at times. neil: i had one site saying she was also robotic. so incoherent for him, robotic for her? >> no, i don't think -- i think she was speaking to the issues. the moderators kept saying to him, time and time again, donald you're not answering the question. neil: you know they interrupted him five times more than they
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did her? >> that's because he interrupted her ten times more than she interrupted him. and he kept interrupting and going on and on. neil: what if it's one and one, somewhere instantly judging, you know how it goes, and if it looks like he brought more than the first debate and it's one and one, and that puts all the marbles on the table? >> first of all, i don't think he won this, and having him do better this time than the last time is a low bar. terrible the first time. neil: you don't like donald trump, i guess? >> i don't know him personally. in his policies, he's anti-union. he is unfit to be president. he is making it harder to have people make ends meet, and he will tear our country apart. neil: your sense and what hillary clinton has got to do here. in a debate, people are making the sense that her base is not
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rabidly for her. whatever support she gets tends to come from people who are appalled by donald trump, not necessarily in love with her, can she close the deal and win with that? >> she's doing a great job with members. donald trump is lower than mitt romney was at this point in the election. she's doing much better with our members than he was. neil: aren't they chagrinned by her back and forth on trade deals? i know you don't like a lot of the trade deals. >> but wait a second, wait a second. let's talk about that, neil. what she voted against cafta when she was a senator. she's against tpp, now you seem -- neil: she once called tpp, richard, the gold standard. >> she said it could be, it could be. when it wasn't -- >> the e-mails that have come to life. >> she's showing vacillated.
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neil: what she's showing in the e-mails that came to light, not what she appears on the sum, she's for open access trade. >> donald trump is the master at that. look, he talks about trade. neil: no, on her, do you think she switches? >> hear me out on this. you talked about hypocrisy, he makes all of his rukts overseas, has a chance to put steal workers to work, and buys chinese steel and chinese aluminum that's being dumped in this country. he's been for trade agreements for ten years. neil: you trust her? >> i trust her implicitly over him. there's a reason why, i've known her 30 years, she's never, ever lied to me. neil: how would you know? >> how would i know? because i would see it. neil: oh, okay. you got to look at some of the e-mails, they're doozies. >> fact checker says he tells a
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whopper every five minutes. neil: you're being a little mean. richard trumka, always a great interview. a lot more in the scrum behind a lot more in the scrum behind me where anyone and ever
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♪i hope the days come easy and the moments pass slow♪ ♪and each road leads you where you want to go♪ ♪if it's cold outside ♪show the world the warmth of your smile♪ ♪but more than anything ♪more than anything ♪my wish for you ♪is that this life becomes all that you want it to♪ ♪your dreams stay big, your worries stay small♪ ♪you never need to carry more than you can hold♪ ♪and while you're out there gettin where you're gettin to♪ ♪i hope you know somebody loves you♪ ♪and wants the same things too♪ ♪yeah, this is my wish
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♪this is my wish >> do you understand that. >> i didn't say that, i don't think you understood what was said, this was locker room talk. i'm not proud of this. i apologize to my family and american people, i am not proud of it, this is locker room talk. we have a world where you have isis chopping off heads. can you imagine the people that are doing so well against us, with isis. and they look at our country, they see what is going on. i am embarrassed by it, i mate it


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