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becomes obsolete. jeff bezos says it's going to happen with my company, amazon. >> the blackberry has the keyboard and that doesn't have it. >> thanks for being with us today, "risk & reward" starts right now. >> keep it going, folks, we're fighting a crooked establishment, and just about the biggest part of the crooked establishment are these people right back there with the phony cameras. [booing] a bunch of phony low-lifes. >> especially had enough of the collusion between the national media and hillary clinton's campaign. it's just amazing. some of the e-mails come out, you find out this guy is cnbc, harwood, after he moderated a debate he was communicating with hillary clinton's chairman of the campaign how he had been vindicating of tough questions of donald trump. liz: donald trump and mike
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pence calling out the media saying the system is rigged. this as the latest batch of wikileak e-mails reveal details on the clinton campaign, and shares of apple turning lower, trading down about 2 percentage points after announcing first decline in annual revenue and profit since 2001. tim cook's rosy holiday outlook. welcome to "risk & reward," i'm elizabeth macdonald filling in for deirdre bolton. hillary a big 12 percentage points ahead of donald trump. >> abc news tracking poll has hillary clinton up by 12. >> over the weekend, abc news tracking poll of likely voters put clinton 12 points ahead of donald trump. >> no candidate down this far this late has ever recovered. liz: early voting suggesting something else is going on, something to the contrary. it's actually a tight race in key states.
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it's a dead heat despite the media's take the real clear politics showing a tighter gain. the race in a statistical tie revealing details of the clinton campaign's close relationship the press showing more than five dozen, 65 journalists including -- dined at clinton staffers' homes days before clinton's campaign launched last year. the some of the reporters very friendly and malleable when it came to the democrats's campaign. take a listen to how the journalists treated donald trump's campaign in the past. >> you guys are down. >> says who? >> polls. most of them. all of them? >> i'm on record as saying that we shouldn't go in -- >> you're not on record at all
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opposing the war before it began. there is no evident of that, sir? >> let's be honest. [laughter] >> is this a comic book version of a presidential campaign. >> not a nicely asked question the way you say that. liz: joining me chief operating officer of the trump campaign, jeff dewitt. you can push donald trump back on policy. push him back and ask about before the iraq war, i get it. that's the media's role. but being dismissive in that tone that was taken and the idea that it's a done deal, two months prior to the election. what is your take on the role of the media and what the questions that the trump campaign got? >> you know, there's always been a media bias, liz, we've seen it, and to see the e-mails come out and the private off the record dinners between the clinton campaign and these same journalists that do show a clear bias, to see some of the journalists in the wikileaks releases e-mailing stories to the clinton campaign allowing
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the clinton campaign to edit and revise the stories and send them back. >> i hear what you're saying. go ahead, finish. >> the media used to be known as the fourth estate, separate from politics and from business and all the media wants to do is move into the swamp. washington's swamp real estate if hillary wins is going to double in price. liz: how does this get out the undecided voter saying the media is rigged against the trump campaign. how does that get the undecided voter to vote. we're watching florida and north carolina, coming in strong, but below this point of time when mitt romney lost to obama in 2012. how does it get the voter out. >> the republican returns at 1.8%. liz: how does it get the voter out saying the media is rigged against donald trump? >> shows to not listen to the media. the message they're trying to get across. i will give fox credit, in the
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wikileaks releases, fox did not go to the meetings. they showed the list ever the journalists, fox was not one of those. i think it explains why fox has triple the ratings of the channels showing that. liz: you understand why the journalists go to the meetings, for access. the problem is it was off the record. i want your reaction to this with two weeks until election day. another brand new poll showing hillary clinton and tim kaine closing the enthusiasm gap among their supporters. 52% of those don't reflect the candidates' recent rallies. you're going to look at a video from two dozen people showed up to a tim kaine rally. 20,000 supporters showed up to see donald trump in tampa, florida.
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that same day. we have the enthusiasm gap and mixed reaction. how do you explain the difference? >> look at the abc poll that showed hillary ahead 12. adjust the percentages to match what they think turnout is going to be. they had happens down 29% in that poll. if they flip that. the republican and democrat, we would be off double digits in that poll. liz: you can't complain about one poll, right, it's a bigger, broader issue, is this a brexit situation where people are saying we're not going to vote for brexit. we're going to say. and the uk left the eu. are you seeing indication of that in the polls? >> a lot of indication, a lot, a lot. enthusiasm gap is a perfect example. we have trouble finding venues big enough to handle donald trump's crowds. what you saw there. 30 people showed up to a tim kaine rally. liz: colin powell voting for hillary clinton despite her basically roping him into her
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decision to have a private e-mail server in her basement in chappaqua. in a hacked e-mail from 2014, powell said this -- so what do you make of that? >> you know, i think it still comes down to, the only people you see like that on the republican side that still have trouble with donald trump are the establishment elites. i think we could all admit he's part of the elite crowd. among the american people they know that donald trump is going to stand for him, that's why the washington elites stand for him. if enough people get out and vote, donald trump will drain the swamp in washington. liz: thank you so much for your time. next up, president obama ridiculing donald trump over his claims the election is rigged. he had a different take running against hillary clinton in 2008. take a listen.
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>> i have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place. it's unprecedented. >> i would just like to know what you can say to reassure us that this election will not be rigged or stolen? [ applause ] >> well, i tell you what, it helps in ohio that we got democrats in charge of the machines. i come from chicago. so i want to be honest. it's not as if it's just republicans who have monkeyed around with election in the past. sometimes democrats have, too. whenever people are in power.
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they have this tendency to try to, you know, tilt things in their direction. liz: joining me political power panel, ford o'connell, he is a strategist for the gop. julie roginsky a democratic strategist. yeah, we've monkeyed around with elections. >> coming from chicago, he knows mayor daley when kennedy was running against nixon, had something to do with skewing the election. look, the reality is most of the machinery, the state operations are run by republicans, democrats would have a very hard time skewing elections when secretaries of state and others are mostly republicans. so to that point, i don't think who trump thinks is going to throw the election for him. hard for democrats who are not in power to do that. liz: ford, to pick up on what julie said, there are 28 republican secretaries of state who run the elections. senator lindsey graham saying no rigging going on. governor rick scott. there's 260 counties in texas,
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so disparate and decentralized it's hard to find rigging in any way. department of justice, 2002-2005, two dozen people convicted of voter fraud. the same odds of winning the powerball. >> you know what? i'm going to say. this i'm not saying this election is rigged from a voter standpoint. the potential is there. we have four million people in this country that are ineligible to vote that are on the voter rolls. they can conceivably use to vote. 3 million people who are registered in two states. the potential is there. and understand something, if the states are this close, north carolina, florida, ohio, and it's 1%, all you need is 250,000 votes out of 120 million spread across to make that happen. liz: stay with me on what ford just said.
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so the fact that there's irregularities and record keeping doesn't mean it segues into voter fraud. ford just said that illegal immigrants are getting driver's licenses and maybe in a swing state, the vote could be skewed and it could be thrown toward a candidate, one swing state. >> presumably if they have to show driver's licenses to vote. not all states require that. if that i have to show the driver's license to vote, they're not registered to vote, they're illegal immigrants, right? what you said is very topical here which is that all the possibilities that exist but the bush justice department, not the obama justice department found no in-person voter fraud that's existed in history. >> yeah, but -- >> everything is possible, i could have a comet land on my head, it's not going to happen. >> you have to understand something, when presidential elections are over we check the validity and one or two states
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have a different process. just because we haven't found something doesn't mean it doesn't happen. >> anything is possible. liz: thanks fair fiery debate. shares of apple down 4 percentage points since porting disappointing earnings. reported first drop in annual profits since 2001. the fourth quarter weighed down by low iphone sales falling 13% year-over-year. ceo tim cook has a positive outlook for the christmas holiday season since samsung stopped shipping phones after they caught fire, totaling cars and setting houses on fire. joining me is jonas max ferris. are you surprised by apple's results, jonas? >> too expected. that's the problem why the stock is down a little bit. a little too ordinary, the major thing is competitor phone
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caught fire and had to take it off the fire. that's not them doing something spectacular to lead to future growth. the better improved phone coming out next year, but it's looking like it's runouth of steam and particularly in china, another bad revenue in the area. the other countries probably aren't strong enough to buy a much to the line phone. the samsung product is helping apple. the watch is a fad, they're dominant in smart watches, the segment is a toy at this point where. is the growth come to come from beyond the phone? there is a lot of bright spots to make a lot of money in the app store, having the people have the phone and not switching to android is a cash cow for the next 10-20 years like microsoft was, but there's nowhere's the next big one? liz: you make a big point, jeff
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bezos has a vision that home will be like the "star trek" enterprise bridge. did you hear anything from apple about that or any other new products that could be game-changers? what are you hearing? >> that will have to wait until thursday. we're waiting for the reboost the maces, more to do with what people like apple products are looking for. more concerned about the ports on the next mac. they are with the new mac, the siri and they started with that on all the time pipe and conceivably in the mac, the mac is not in everyone's home and the stand alone product theoretically the watch might go there. i think thursday we're looking to see something more exciting that is going to be ports than the touch screen f-function key. liz: thank you, jonas max
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ferris, i love that you are geeky like me. major wikileaks revelation clinton aide saying she needed to clean up president obama's comment that he had no idea about hillary clinton's personal e-mail server admitting the president did have e-mails from hillary clinton's server. this proves that president obama knew about the private e-mail server all along. after this. >> did you been hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail server? >> no. >> while she was secretary of state? >> no. [accountant] my job is to manage and grow businesses.
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. >> when did you first learn that hillary clinton used an e-mail system outside the u.s. government for official business while she was
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secretary of state? >> the same time everybody else learned it, through news reports. liz: wikileaks e-mails however show clinton staffers were concerned over president obama's statements about hillary's e-mails. clinton national spokesman sent out an e-mail that read -- nick merrill forwards this to larger group of people on e-mail chain including former chief of staff cheryl mills to john podesta. joining me ford o'connell, democrat strategist julie roginsky. julie, is cheryl mills admitting the president was wrong? the president is saying he didn't been an e-mail server. the question is why was he using a pseudonym to e-mail
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hillary? >> you don't e-mail president barack obama, i assume he has a public e-mail but a private e-mail between he and mrs. clinton is something we can't figure out. wikileaks releases selective information without giving the broader picture. i don't know if he had an e-mail that just said hillary clinton and didn't have her entire e-mail address which is hillary h. -- i don't remember the e-mail. liz: clinton e-mail.com. >> it could have been the rest of us. it didn't have you or e-mail address, it just has your name. i don't know the answer to that. liz: ford, cheryl mills didn't say state.gov meaning the destination of the e-mail. 2014, the state department hacked. the white house hacked in 2014. the office of personnel management hacked in 2014. the u.s. post office or noaa were hacked. shouldn't the president say if
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i see clinton e-mail.com, maybe i should e-mail that address because there are so many hacks going on? >> you are absolutely right. what a rational person would do here, obviously he's in communication with hillary clinton. steve kroft was accurate and did been a server, he did know about private e-mail because he was using a pseudonym. how does he turn around when investigation has barely begun and say gee, hillary clinton's server wasn't hacked. either you knew about it and you lied or you didn't know about it and you did. cheryl mills is a very, very smart woman, when she starts raising red flags, something smells wrong. liz: no fortune 500 ceo can never reasonably say they've never been hacked. they think they haven't been hacked. move to the next topic. a new project veritas video shows democrat operative,
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robert creamer, investigating basically anarchy and chaos at trump rallies saying hillary clinton herself, the anarchy and chaos is a democrat quote. hillary clinton herself ordered donald ducks to troll trump at his rallies. watch. watch. . liz: what do you think, julie? [laughter] >> it's his word against hers, i don't know. he can say all he wants. my problem with all the videos as so often happens is we get the salacious tidbits and a month or two later, somebody subpoenas the entire video and transcript and turns out not to be as salacious as we all
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thought. if this turns out to be accurate and something where hillary clinton herself ordered this. we need evidence of that. it's salacious. this is yet another excerpt of little things like with the planned parenthood video to make it look awful. liz: centers for medical progress that did planned parenthood. >> julie, can i say something? in 1992 bill clinton tried the same routine with chicken george. the clinton campaign did this. what's at issue is not whether or not they which d this. it's whether they violated federal campaign laws. that's the question here. and whether or not the group that did this took corporate money that could have been another violation. liz: republicans have been known to do this by each other. phil gramm who sent a chicken to bob dole's campaign in 1996. >> the irony is the democrats say over and over we need stronger federal election laws,
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when they run afoul of it, it's a burger. they might have run afoul of it. >> who? they may have, a comet might drop on my head, you are getting alex jones' conspiracy theory there. liz: ford, final word? >> it takes 18 to 20 months to figure it out. the elections will be over by then. liz: okay. more details on wikileaks revelation. hillary clinton expressing regret that her pole tested middle class pitch not resonating on the campaign trail. joe the plumber is here and why that might be after this. >> have you no reason remember to, but we came out of the white house not only dead broke but in debt. thanks for doing this, dad.
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. liz: another wikileaks drop concerning hillary clinton's middle class pitch. lot of worries in the campaign about it.
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in an exchange of june of 2015 as hillary prepared a major speech launched on roosevelt island, clinton's speechwriter says hillary is frustrated that poll tested middle class pitch is not working. he writes -- didn't stop hillary from forging ahead trying to work a middle class narrative. listen. >> my father was a small businessman, he worked hard, printed drapery fabrics on long tables where he pulled fabrics and dumped the silk screen and dumped the paint in and squeegee and kept going. liz: joining me is joe the plumber. joe, is this working? is hillary clinton's pitch, do you think it's resonating with the middle class? >> no, not whatsoever, there's
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a couple reasons why. one is character means something in the middle class, and as i said before, you know, we get by on giving our word, if your word doesn't mean anything after a while, people don't trust you after a while. she has been known to be a liar. the fbi has come out and called her a liar. she's been caught in many lies over 30 years and ultimately no matter how much you sit there and throw money at a problem and throw rhetoric out there, people really know who you truly are, and the americans are waking up. they truly know who hillary clinton is. i call her hillary i'm a liar clinton. liz: the fbi didn't explicitly say hillary clinton you're a liar. they said there were classified e-mails on the server. turning to the fund-raisers, hillary has had 1300 fund-raisers bundled together at least $137 million from hillary's friends. what do you make of that money?
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do you think those friends are middle class, joe? >> no, no, they're not middle class. let me back up to the wikileaks, though, people need to understand this. this is not a donald trump attack ad. this is not a pac for donald trump attacking hillary clinton. these are their own words that have damned them. these are their own words, own e-mails, they talk about their plan. hillary clinton has no moral code when she sticks her finger in the air and sees which way the polls go. she has no standard, she's going with what is popular at the time. if you have no core values, you can't be a leader. liz: looks like hillary clinton has raised more money than president obama? >> she is a friend of wall street, she's not a friend of the american middle class and she works very hard to -- liz: okay, joe the plumber, thank you so much for your time. appreciate it. next up, we've got democrats going after hard working americans not paying
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their fair share. saying you didn't build that. coming up -- here it is. we got the sound bite, let's run it. >> somebody else made that happen. the internet didn't get invented on its own. government research created the internet, so then all the companies could make money off the internet. >> hear all this world class warfare, no, there is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. nobody. you built a factory, good for you. i want to be clear, you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. liz: got that, the government built it? taxpayers built it. you don't personally build your business and are successful and pay taxes. charles payne says you got to think about how the u.s. economy works. the way it works is a good thing. when you leave it to the private sector. he's the author of the upside
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of inequality, he's ed conard. he will be on the show. next up, a manhunt for a murder suspect on the run after shooting two cops, trying to behead two other relatives. he's live streaming his getaway on facebook. we've got american sheriff david clarke says the constitution has made cops the target. hillary clinton campaigning with the mothers of people killed by cops and meeting with black lives matter, that's after this. >> this is real. [ bleep ]. that's the real deal. it ain't a joke, it ain't a prank. [ beep ] but you'll be glad to see it here. fidelity -- where smarter investors will always be. if only the signs were as obvious when you trade. fidelity's active trader pro can help you find smarter entry and exit points
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. >> been shot in the leg. both are conscious. >> the search is on for a man accused of shooting two oklahoma police officers with an ak-47. it was reported that the suspect michael vance posted videos live to facebook while running from police. >> let you all know look, this is real. [ bleep ] that's the real deal. it ain't a joke, it ain't a prank. this is live. if you want to know what's up next, stay tuned to your local news. >> the suspect also wanted in connection with the murders of of his family members. with me milwaukee county sheriff david clarke. thank you very much for coming on the show. what do you make of the fact
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this man was wanted for killing and shoots two police officers? >> speaks to a couple of things. first of all the leniency of our court system in the united states when it comes to criminal perpetrators, there's no more chilling call that comes over police radio than the call of shots fired coming over from an officer. these officers fortunately were not mortally wounded now the manhunt is on. the war on police continues in the united states. how did de-escalation work out for two of oklahoma's finest. we heard so much in the white house of cops putting emphasis on de-escalation, how did the transformation of the police officer and mediation work when they show up and the first thing that happens is they get fired upon. the united states department of justice didn't cause this but embolden the individuals. perpetrators were content with
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trying to outrun the police, flee, thinking they could get away but now what they're doing is shooting first and fleeing second. so you know, this is a very dangerous situation, the manhunts, until they get this guy in custody, it is obvious he's not going to go down without a gunfight. liz: such an important point, they are shooting, think nothing of shooting now, and i'd like to turn to the other topic about racial tensions and it's a big issue in the race for the white house. hillary clinton in the battleground state of north carolina sunday rallying with mothers whose children were either killed by police involved shootings or racially motivated gun violence. clinton and trump virtually dead heat in the state. here's clinton talking about the country's racial divide, sheriff, i'd love your reaction after it. >> we know we face the continuing challenge of systemic racism. w.e.b. deboies called racism
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the basic of democracy. those words ring true today. the issue of systemic racism comes up time and time again, and i felt compelled to address it directly. liz: sheriff, president obama narrowly won north carolina in 2008 and lost it to mitt romney due to the african-american vote. is this hillary clinton trying to get the african-american voter to come out? >> sure, she's turning up racial discord. that's a slap in the face not only to the american law enforcement officer but every law abiding citizen in america. those moms lost sons. we get that. most of the individuals, i did not say all, many of the mothers she's talking about, their sons were involved in criminal behavior some, sort of unlawful behavior that contributed to what happened to them. that doesn't mean they deserved to die but at the same time
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they were co actives in their own demise. she's all in with the criminal element and was part of her convention, hug a thug, compassion for criminals, compare and contrast that to donald trump whose convention had a theme night of make america safe again. he's made it clear he's going to support the american law enforcement officer and support the rule of law through law and order. liz: sheriff david clarke. >> a better way to go at this point in time. liz: thank you so much for your time and service to our country. we appreciate you coming on the show. thanks again. our next story, it's out of wikileaks, the u.s. government admitting that obamacare premiums will soar average 25% next year. trump economic adviser steve moore has been warning about this for years. he joins me next, don't go away. >> affordable, affordable, affordable, there's a reason. affordable, affordable,
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. >> it's just been announced that americans are going to experience another massive double digit hike. they said 25%, you'll take 25%. it's going to be 60, 70, 80, 90% in. the great state of arizona, it's over 100%. liz: the white house now admitting that obamacare exchange premiums will soar 25% next year. donald trump calling that a conservative estimate. he's right there. are other states that show higher increases. he says he saw it coming.
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wasn't the only one. >> so you've got this crazy system where all of a sudden, 25 million more people have health care and the people out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with premiums doubled and coverage cut in half. it's the craziest thing in the world. liz: with me now, trump economic adviser, steve moore. just a quick fact check on what bill clinton said. 20 million have health care. 9 million of those on medicaid. let's get this straight, lay the land. voted into law, democrats straight party line. didn't read the bill, didn't read the law and restructured economy and now seeing 80%, 70% increases? what's going on? >> liz, at the time that obamacare was being debated and passed, i was on the "wall street journal" editorial board. you may recall almost every day we ran an editorial attacking
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and criticizing obamacare and made a lot of the predictions that the costs would go up. that you'd see less choices, negative employment effects that the premiums would rise. it has turned out worse than we thought it would be. 25% increases in premiums, don't forget, they come on double digit premium increases from last year. this is a big, big, you know, increasing strain on family budgets. one of the things i've talked a lot about on this show and others is the big strain for families, they haven't seen a pay raise in ten years. one reason workers aren't getting pay raises, the cost to the employer is in the health care plans. liz: good point. certainly small businesses are -- small business benefit to keep to 49 workers and don't get hit with obamacare rules and regulations. >> we call them 49ers, those are companies not on the campaign trail. i'd run across a lot of small business men and women who say
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i will never hire a 50th worker i couldn't afford it. 12 million people unemployed and a law encouraging them. i recommended to trump he get rid of the 50 worker rule. >> i want your reaction to the exploding samsung cell phones, take a listen. >> the new smartphone, has a few bugs. what do they do? they fix it. they upgrade it. unless it catches fire, then they just -- [laughter] but you don't go back to using a rotary phone! you don't say we're repealing smartphones. liz: that's samsung's phone by the way. torched cars and houses, but just a few bugs? what do you think? >> honestly, i don't get the logic of that. what's happened with smartphones is they used to cost several thousand dollars and now can you get one for $89. the cost of those things are going down, mr. president.
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problem with obamacare the costs keep going up and up. if we keep seeing the premium increases and deductibles are going up. people aren't going afford the system and we will end up with a single payer system that will back up the government. the idea is technology should be bringing down the cost of health care like it brings down the cost of cell phones and it's just the opposite happening under obamacare. liz: taxpayers get stuck with this one, looks like. steve moore, thank you very much. another clinton campaign wikileaks revelation. no laughing matter. clinton campaign chair mocking clinton's unusually hard laugh, that's a quote, calling it authentically weird. my next guest says they may have a point. that's after this. >> i have the stamina to be president of the united states [laughter] >> i have the stamina to be the president [laughter] [cheers]
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. >> i have now spent 4 1/2 hours on stage with donald, proving once again i have the stamina to be president of the united states. [laughter] [ cheers ] >> that was the third and last time i will ever have to debate donald trump. [laughter] >> i have now spent 4 1/2 hours on stage with donald, proving once again vit stamina to be president! [laughter]. liz: that's hillary clinton working on jokes in the campaign trail about her debates with donald trump. but you know what? she had her people calling her out on her laugh. not nice stuff coming out of
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the new wikileaks e-mail revelation from campaign staffers, we have chairman john podesta. saying -- power panel back, ford o'connell and julie roginsky. what do you think? >> boy, now we're criticizing her for her laugh? at which point is this out of control. i think amy poehler satirized her laugh in 2008 before john podesta did. i think this is the most scrutinized woman in the world, now picking on her laugh. really? now this is what we're doing? come on. >> i've watched hours of footage of hillary clinton, i think this is -- her odd laugh is a tick and tends to come out when she's fudging it or backed in a corner. the most pronounced ones outside of the congressional testimony was when the reporter asked her did you wipe the server clean, and she's like,
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ha, ha, ha, like, with a rag? the clips you showed are different than the ones i've seen on the campaign trail. a lot of cases i think it's a tick for hillary clinton and means something is not right. liz: now see if president obama is better with jokes. here's him last night on jimmy kimmel. take a listen. >> president obama will go down as perhaps the worst president in the history of the united states exclamation point@real donald trump. @real donald trump. at least i will go down as a president. [cheers and applause] . liz: the kimmel people probably wrote that joke. >> i don't know about that. i think obama has good comic timing. the reason trump is in the race is because he got so mocked by barack obama at the white house correspondent's dinner. we know barack obama has wicked and cutting humor. i'm going miss that. nobody can compete with that. liz: what do you think, ford? >> i think president obama is
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one of the greatest campaigners i've seen, when he does alternative media like kimmel, it's a boost for him. it shows he's a hard-working average guy, and people on both sides of the aisle have to admire that. liz: but can you relate to him or julie relate to him? question remains to be seen? >> i've seen him drop the mic a few times, i'm sure ford has, too. right? >> yeah. liz: do you think wikileaks affected the polls? >> i don't think beyond the margins. the reason is essentially the media and clinton campaign have done such a good job making this about trump's fitness for office and never about the. we're never going to get to the heart of the matter, that is hillary clinton has a lot to answer for. liz: talking economic policy. i hear you on that. julie, any surprise that colin powell is deciding to vote for hillary after not talking nicely about hillary in e-mails. >> i think like everybody else, not everybody but a lot of the
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people, the one-eyed man is king and she's his one-eyed woman. i think she sees the threat that trump would pose. he made a decision that is best for him. liz: what do you think, ford? >> you know, here's the thing. colin powell doesn't want to vote for hillary clinton, even mentioned that in wikileaks. people are afraid of donald trump on the republican establishment side because they're not sure what they're getting and he's different than a lot of other republicans. frankly i think -- liz: got to leave it there. new poll numbers out showing a tighter president's race. we're going to bring you the details after this. don't go away. (music playing) ♪ push it real good... (announcer vo) or you can take a joyride. bye bye, errands, we sing out loud here. siriusxm. road happy.
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