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continues his thank you tour tonight, this time in wisconsin. he just picked up more votes after the recount. "making money" with charles payne is next. charles: good evening, i'm charles payne. president-elect trump has chosen exxon mobile's ceo rex tillerson. the thing i like best about rex tillerson is he has vast experience dealing with all types of governments. marco rubio, lindsey graham and john mccain have expressed scepticism about tillerson's
close ties with vladimir putin. i'm really shocked, tammy. maybe not by the names themselves, but they came out so quickly and vocally with their expressions of doubt. >> i'm not surprised. the establishment never trumper kind dynamic has not gone away. they are still there. they are not suddenly going to embrace donald trump. this remains an adjustment in expectations. you have an establishment that's been in charge forever. it won't be easy for them to recognize things this is what the voters wanted. they wanted a man who is different. appointing someone with some experience, but not in the swamp. we elected donald trump because it's a businessman and knows how to get things done. in in tillerson usual looking at the same dynamic.
he understands the international scene. is in 15 countries, gets things done. i don't know when it became a bad thing to know a foreign leader and like the foreign leaders and get things done on behalf of the united states. charles: i feel the same way but there is a surprisingly vocal opposition to this. what is it about that bothers these guys so many that he knows and he's successfully done business in russia and other parts of the world. >> personally, i never met anyone to could broker a good deal. but to your question and my concern, personal relationships. there is such a thing as knowing the play makers, that's good. but when you have a personal relationship. if i go get another job, our
relationship is still intact. i think that's the concern people have with mr. tillerson. charles: he would never put russia/america's concerns he head of america. charles: it's interesting, jennifer ruben, i think she is a republican, called this an unethical pig penn. >> he's the ceo of one of the two most popular companies in the world. remember donald trump reached out to the taiwanese president. he's trying to destabilize the growing chinese-russian relationship and there is one. having a friend to vladimir putin in the secretary of state's office might not be a bad thing.
it's something that has to be explored. there is no question the guy is qualified. charles: once that is explored, believe me they are setting up a donnybrook here. what are they looking for? what are they afraid with respect to vladimir putin and rex tillerson? >> it comes down to ukraine. rex tillerson negotiated an oil deal between russia and ukraine. he was vocal about being opposed to the sanctions. you have proponents of those sanctions, mccain, graham and rubio, expressing their concerns. on the left, i don't think they are being honest with their concerns about tillerson. i think the biggest concerns aren't russia. but global warming. he has been a critic of climate change.
i think that's probably a bigger concern for the left. charles: one other thing is it's interesting to see tony perkins to write about his opposition to rex miller on. exxon mobil has contribute to planned parenthood. >> those are serious issues for many americans, but none of those matter if -- charles: america's interests around the world as secretary of state. >> he's secretary of state, he won't have an impact on certain domestic issues. x have seen the larger picture, we have common concerns. we have common concerns, not
necessarily common values overall. mr. tillerson is not going to be the czar of domestic policy. this is about the handler view, about improving the lives of all americans. we'll still have those considerations culturally and this is a big win. we can have the luxury of those debates when everybody gets back on their feet, and mr. trump will give that to us. charles: you have got a bunch of ceos and oil people. we know where the left is coming from. how big of a deal do you think they will avoid even apparent that rubio, graham and mccain are trying to embarrass donald trump, despite their opposition at one point or another during the process. >> i think that's important. those three are called the runners up, and john mccain must be careful not to look like they are sour grapes.
they have to kind put forth an offering of good faith around supporting this president-elect. back to the concerns around tillerson, knowing and define hog our friend and enemies are is a big concern to a lot of americans. when i was in israel i heard the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. charles: eric you mentioned the russian hacking situation. i think there are some republicans who feel there is no real true evidence, not least not the kind being put forward by the mainstream media. so when you echo that. some republicans say you are playing right into the hand of the left just as mccain and company are playing into the hand of the left.
>> i don't think there is a question. there is no evidence that they tried to throw the election for trump. charles: do you think vladimir putin and donald trump are too close? is there a bromance and does it bother you? >> he's now the president of the united states. i got so much about the election wrong, i have got to give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance to prove himself. >> hillary's first effort when she was secretary of state was to become you into's bff it's recognized that understanding the enemy is also key. this will be helpful for us with these men in the white house. >> that huddle barack obama had
with mwith medvedev. that was embarrassing. >> there was a lot of criticism over the obama administration and his lack of toughness with russia. i'm not saying that's what tillerson will do. but that's a question on the table. he can play it from behind. other people are like, is putin the kind guy who will be so flat i aring that they don't see it coming. charles: or that barack obama was so feckless with these bad actors around the world that they became belligerent. lou dobbs will be live tonight for a two-hour special from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. that's starting at 7:00 p.m. on
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donald trump in the past said he loved "the fountainhead." he sees or identifies with the main character there. and the idea or the notion of neednotion of mediocrity. >> i'm a fan of "atlas shrugged." it's 1,100 pages. one line is devotion to the truth is the hallmark of reality. what we are seeing with donald trump is he's take on the truth with creative minds, people outside the box that is willing to take on a system that tolerated mediocrity for too long. the only way we'll make progress against a system that let us
down, is by unleashing this talent. and grow a gdp of 4% or better. they will push the envelope saying we'll not tolerate things that are not working. do we know how it's going to turn stout yet? no. charles: jonathon? >> before our guest quotes "atlas shrugged" don't you think he should finish it? donald trump is the opposite of what ayn rand wrote about. charles: i don't think he said he's against free markets. he's against the way they have evolved under democratic leadership. >> this demonstrates how
powerful ayn rand is when the right tries to cozy up whenever they have the opportunity. charles: i think -- i see parallels. and i think the american public whether they have read the novels or not, would agree there are pair lelts. if the backdrop of what we have been through recently. >> ashared reading list is not a question that the confirmation hearings will include. trump told us during this campaign that he's going to pick business people to get american back on track. he picked ceos to serve on the board of make america great again. and he wants to make sure he brings a business mind to washington. a long list of lawmakers are good at red tape and the bottom
line with the national debt, and that's not good for america. charles: it's not just that donald trump picked up a bunch of ceos. he picked people of enormous success, people who are for failure an wants to bring that sort of perfectionist thinking outside the establishment which is a hallmark of rand's work. >> what is the key to success of any ceo? it's not just bottom line it's making things work, addressing challenges. figuring out how to get around that. judge these nominees note by what they say, but by what they do. if you had to go on any sense of confidence, look at what they have done in terms of moving jobs and prosperity in a very,
very difficult and competitive world. i'm very excited by these choices. jonathon, i understand you didn't like some of the rhetoric during the campaign. but i thought by looking at some of these selections between the generals, between the ceos, that you would have felt like, you know what? this guy may be ideological think on the same page with capitalist pigs he's not a capitalist. if they are good in business, they should stay in business. government is not a business. government is a per view of force. the intermingling of business and private enterprise. charles: with $20 trillion in debt on a fading economy, americans want to give this a shot.
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icon. also microsoft co-found erbil gates turning an all-time high. technology super giants intending to attend the donald trump silicon valley summit. that's what we'll call it. can the billionaires let bygones be bygones? christopher, let me start with you. i finds it interesting this morning started off where boeing making this big announcement about dividends and buybacks. i think corporate america understands, you better get ahead of donald trump. the ceo of ibm says we have thousands of jobs open at any given moment. we'll hire 25,000 over the next
few years and we'll invest a billion to train u.s. employees. >> you have seen donald trump just with a tweet can hurt somebody's stock in a matter of minutes. so he will have to be careful with that. some of the tech leaders he's meeting with tomorrow find themselves at odds. cheryl ansheryl sandberg from fk was considered a vice presidential candidate for hillary clinton. they are on donald trump's naughty list. they will have to work with him if they want to create the jobs. elon musk and jeff bezos, some of the technological revolutions
they are leading are against bringing back jobs. charles: all the factory jobs aren't coming back. they are saying we'll retrain people. but training people at 50 to code is nearly impossible. >> it's because of america that they are billionaires. and competition is great. it's wonderful trump is meeting with these folks. we can have competition when it comes to presidential elections. but now we have to come together to make america great again. it will taker coming together. business leaders and political leaders. charles: they pledged they wouldn't help him with a
registry, they wouldn't help him deport anyone. the silicon valley types are also going to ask for more foreign workers to come into this country. >> you have donald trump and the tech community, lock them up in a room and let them talk. it's time to come together and sort it out. charles: ultimately donald trump is standing before these guys on behalf of the american public. some would say listen, progress is coming. no one talks about automation taking these jobs to mexico or something else. how do you think it will ultimately shake out. >> i think both of them have to come to the table. donald trump knows it better than anyone else. >> you have to have politicians partner with the business community. what did we do when newt
gingrich was speaker and bill clinton was president. it can't just be the president dictator. charles: out of that came an amazing spurt in america's growth and prosperity. for the most part technology stocks have missed the trump rally. i think wall street leaves to the point being made here. something will happen positive, but you have to believe it will be a tough meeting. >> wall street we are seeing stocks going up, places like the "new york times" are saying the markets would never recover. some of the things business leaders will want to talk to donald trump about is how to get the billions of dollars overseas into the economy. it's a harsh environment for business in the united states. he's shown he's willing to make deals with people. he can help bring their billions of dollars back into the united states. >> i think some of that money
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charles: well, now everybody's talking about animal spirits, but i was the first one who brought it up in the days before the election. well, we have even yet more evidence of this. it's permeating throughout our economy. this time from small businesses. the national federation of independent business' optimism index was up in november which, by the way, is slightly below the historic norm, but the real story is the before and after numbers that roared. after the election small business optimism swelled overnight. expectations for job creation, higher sales increased dramatically after november 8th. it was 44 points higher, we're talking about a reversal out of this world. this anticipation for better business conditions that best, in my mind, captured the spirits of animal spirits, you can see
it right there. like the stock market rally, this renewed optimism among small businesses should be sustainable predicated on one thing, that's the gop being able to deliver on donald trump's vision and promises. there's no doubt all the pieces are in place for a new morning in america. joining me now to discuss, tammy bruce and jeff dewit and susan solomon. susan, you're a small business expert, and it's just absolutely amazing. even if folks at the nfib are saying they haven't seen anything like in this the past 94 months. >> i agree, it is amazing. but it's not surprising really. in fact, one survey i saw, charles, i think sums it up better than anything. survey respondents were asked to use one word to describe what they see in the coming year, and that one word, 55% selected the word "hope." so i think small businesses are very hopeful what this administration will bring. but there is still some uncertainty. will president-elect trump be able to deliver on tax reform,
roll back the regulations and and actually repeal obamacare? and uncertainty rattles small businesses. we need predictability in order to invest in growth and to hire employees. so as my mother always said, charles, you know, actions speak louder than words. we're waiting to see what happens. charles: although the actionses in the market suggest people believe this will come to fruition. jeff, i want to give you a shoutout here. arizona state treasurer jeff dewitt, your investment fund's outperformed almost every single endowment and pension fund in the united states. congratulations, and you didn't even use wall street help. >> wow. charles: great job. >> thank you very much. we work hard out here, we do. charles: you do. so tell us about these animal spirits, now we're starting to see them among small businesses. >> well, i'll tell you, you've seen small cap stocks rally much, much stronger than large caps because they're so much more sensitive to the costs of taxes and regulation.
and the hope and optimism that regulation will go away has, obviously, led to this rally. but i'll give you some numbers. according to the small business administration, there are 28 million small businesses in america that provide 54% of all u.s. sales and 55% of all jobs. that is a sector that is very close to my heart and something we need to take care of. donald trump was the only one talking about it. and if you go back to the beginning of october, there was a poll done by a group that just looked at small businesses -- charles: right. >> and donald trump won that poll 59-41. and if you to some math and you say he won by 18 points and 60% of small businesses vote, that's a three million vote difference for donald trump -- charles: and that's them, that's their households, their relatives, people who probably think, you know, tammy, hey, i'll probably end up getting a job. i talk to small businesses and almost instantaneously, they started telling me they saw a
difference. and it wasn't just attitude, it was about velocity of business. things were pecking up immediately. >> yeah, look, this is the heart and soul of america. it's what we talk about when we think about the expansion of what makes this nation great. it's small businesses. and the majority of those are started by people of color and women. we understand that, in fact, sometimes in the corporate world it is difficult for those of us who are minorities whether you're dealing with minorities politically or racially or sexually. so we start our own business. this is the only place where we can. and we're the ones who have had that boot on our neck. so this is the mandate. if washington is looking for a mandate, wondering what should they allow donald trump to do, you had better let him do everything, because the american people are sitting back and saying it is his policies, we like that it is a unified government, but we like it because you're going to be moving through donald trump's policies, not your own. charles: right. >> and this is what's moving the market now. charles: and that explains all the different, eclectic folks
who go through there, including jim brown with a program that he's opinion pushing to help people -- he's been pushing to help people get off the ground floor of america. thank you guys very much. meanwhile, the averages continue to cruise to new highs, the dow less than 100 points from 20,000. my market commentary is next. ♪
charles: well, we're just moments away from the latest stop on the donald trump thank you tour. the president-elect set to show his appreciation for the voters of wisconsin tonight, and we've got a preview for you next. on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours.
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market is way ahead now of the gross national product in value. i point this out not to throw shade at this rally, but to underscore the fact that everybody has bought into the idea that there is, indeed, a new morning in america and opportunity is within everyone's grasp. the key will be execution by donald trump and the gop. that means serious compromise initially on things like the national debt while building the wall or implementing new programs like federal childcare support. until then, pinpointing some kind of exact top to, if that's what you're trying to do here, i think will be folly. consider that since -- well, the march 2009 bottom. there have been so many times when investors thought and/or warned that, you know what? we're headed for the worst, go to the nearest exit, and they did that. guess what? they watched the party from the outside looking in. now, the market actually was stuck in a sideways action since early february of 2014-15, and it grappled for direction while it was yearning for some form of
a catalyst. let's face it, fed stimulation, like central bank money printing around the world, no longer worked magic for equities in part because main street never bought into the notion of a virtuous cycle when, in fact, their wallets were virtually flat. on that note, this could be the start of a major breakout, something remarkable that not unlike the breakout we saw in early 2013. that was a run that went on nearly nonstop. it was unstoppable for a couple years. the rally, by the way, added five trillion in market cap to the market, so it suggests if this trump rally were to follow, we could rally up to about $27 trillion in value. so the big question is what's going to lead such a rally? blue chips, obviously, have to play a role. transportation, i keep talking about that, they always keep pace, but i think it'll be technology. you have to think about it. it's got to be a lightning rod. you've got that meeting tomorrow. technology is the one area that spreads wide optimism. now, for you guys looking for
value, i do like the bank of the ozarks, traded at huge volume today. i think these smaller banks which have been overshadowed by banks like goldman are going to do very well, and i like the risk/reward, so keep an eye on them. reports of a ceasefire in aleppo just as the u.n. says it looks like a complete meltdown of humanity. we've been talking about it and, sadly, we're going to follow it up and tell you what happens next. ♪ ♪
u.s. it will presumably allow civilians and rebel fighters to evacuate and return the city to government control. the fighting may have stopped at least for now, but hundreds of thousands already have been killed there, making it one of the worst humanitarian disasters in history. again, presumably, the ceasefire will hold, but what happens after that. joining me now to discuss, amber smith. judy, your thoughts on how this is all ending. probably a worst case scenario for many people, but we almost saw it coming as well. >> yeah. i mean, charles, it's the end for the citizens of east aleppo that are being massacred and tortured and assassinated execution style from neighborhood to neighborhood by russians, by syrian soldiers and monsters that are killing tens of thousands. and the evacuation that started, they told them to leave or be killed and be considered to be terrorists this weekend. 37,000 tried to leave, and they
now we're getting reports that they're being blocked by iranian and russian forces in addition the syrian military. so there's no way out for them. they have nowhere to go, and if they give up, they'll be killed anyway. i have family in south aleppo, cousins, aunts and uncles. they are beyond despondent. they don't know what to do. they're frightened, and the world is really doing nothing. they need a u.n. protection force, they need safe zones, and there's none of that. there's just massive massacres, and this is not just aleppo. it's going to go to other cities. the syrians and russians know they can to this and get away with it. charles: amber, you know, again, we were backing the rebels, and it was never, you know, i guess it was always half hearted just like the so-called red line. perhaps that was the first signal to assad and vladimir putin and others that we were not to be taken seriously, and consequently, we've gotten a real ugly disaster. >> yeah, definitely. and we have a whole lot less options on the table now than we did phi years ago -- five years
ago when obama was drawing red lines and making threats and before the russians got involved. now we have what we see today where the situation is much more complex and to where some of those u.s.-aligned rebel groups are now between a rock and a hard place, and they have to decide, basically, am i going to join another terrorist organization like isis or al-qaeda for their own survival? charles: you've spent considerable time in the middle east, in iraq and afghanistan. what option toes are left? what should america's policy be? should we say, hey, we can't be the savior of the world anymore, we're not going to be the sheriff and put american lives at risk in a place as dangerous as syria? >> well, look, we have invested lots of blood and treasure in the middle east, and it is definitely fair to say that stability in the middle east is within our national security interests. and that includes syria as well. so i think that prior to russia getting involved, that complicates the situation. right now it's some serious diplomacy, some heavy pressure
on russia to back out of syria, because if syria -- or sorry, if russia backs out of syria, thes assad regime is not going to be able to -- charles: but that's not going to happen. michael, you know the area very well. russia, you know, it's a strategic location for them. you know, assad is their guy, he's in power. and it's -- i don't know how we could even ever make up this lost ground, lost effort. so the question is what does happen from here on out? >> well, what's going to happen in the next 38 days is russia, assad and iran are going to continue these types of operations. i don't think the ceasefire's going to hold. they're going to take this battle forward, and what they're trying to do is insure that when president trump comes into office january 20th that the narrative that they've been pushing for two years, that it's either us or isis, will actually be a reality on the ground. because there will be no rebel resistance left because the russians, iranians and assad are using every military tool, every
proxy on the ground to punish the population of syria and to push the rebels into the arms of isis. so that's what we're looking at the next 38 days. charles: zudhi, we've got to have some pretty eclectic or strange coalitions particularly in iraq. after watching how we allowed the syrian rebels that we backed to come to this sort of demise, will anyone trust us anymore? how can american policy under president trump even prevail no matter what it is considering our track record? >> well, we have to, charles, have a policy that's clear, principles that we stand for and coalitions that believe in our values be it freedom can, democracy and self-determination. so in syria why don't we use the bosnian template and start to have u.n. protection forces in there. let the u.n. not turn into broadcasters looking at a game from afar and counting numbers
and bodies on the streets, but, rather, having forces that allow humanitarian aid and saying we won't allow iran and russia to allow this darwinian process of massacres to happen, but actually allowing a country to self-determine which is what western countries believe in and what the u.n. should stand for rather than simply reporting from abroad. charles: it's scary though. when you're hanging your hat on the u.n. coming to the rescue, it's a scary thought. guys, thank you all very much. really appreciate it. >> thank you. charles: well, right now it's party time on the trump thank you tour, but come inauguration, it's going to be time to sober up and tackle the critical issues. we're going to break it all down for you. party now, get ready to rock and roll in a few days. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
the latest rally is part of donald trump's president-elect trump of course thank you tour the trump victory power. but we are going to probably need to everybody so broke on january first is mitch mcconnell is warning of dangerously high debt levels so here to discuss jeffrey nguyen adam goodman and angela mcclellan.estor with you. mitch mcconnell rankled a few republicans yesterday. how dare you talk about these sorts of things we felt like it was a shot across the bow of the trump parties and some guys don't get too drunk on all of this because you are not going to get everything you want because it will put you into further debt. >> i will be honest charles a rankled me because we the american people are overtaxed. we are paying more in taxes ever in the history country. we are paying over $4 trillion just this year in federal taxes and if you look at state local
and municipal taxes that's over $6 trillion what have we been given in return? a national debts even with record tax receipts the government is spending in a deficit as much as $200 billion a quarter so it has to stop in to hear ranking republican come out and say he's okay with the current system, we have to change it, with a lower taxes and stimulate the economy. that's one of the things the american public wants out of president-elect donald trump. >> we are going to need a partnership between the congress and the president and where we going to find the money? we are going to have to balance a budget and we will have to take them someplace to add to another place. it's going to take a lot of hard work. president-elect trump talk the talk but now he's going to have to walk the walk. charles: what that trump economic team continues to tell me is to go back to ronald reagan and big about supply-side economics and a sky-high
interest rates that had to be some real serious tough things initially to put the foundation in place so this focus on growth first let's focus on reigniting our economy and then we will deal with those other things i'd spending issues and debt issues. you like that game plan, at a? >> absolutely do because we don't grow the gdp at 4% or better per year and we don't have the attitude to invest in america it's not going to work at look at the visual clear all looking at now at that rally. what we see here charles is not a rose garden president to be but a commander-in-chief is it's going to take it directly to the american people and the key to getting the economy to work again is making us believe again. i think that's going to be a big part of donald trump's challenge moving forward. i think there are a lot of reasons for optimism because he's very good on his feet in terms of the message of hope and optimism that people have been looking for.
>> listen, hope, change and optimism. we have got all of that. going to take hard work and legislation from the appropriations and tax writing committee the ways & means committee in the house in the senate are going to have to work together, charles. charles: by jeff a large part of the stock market image is for donald trump's policies the idea that the g.o.p. swept into the idea they did the american public expects mitch mcconnell and everyone else to have been in their cushy jobs in washington d.c. forever to play ball having perhaps heard the message of the big crowd we are looking at right now. >> you are right and they elected a businessman to be the president because they expect things to get done in washington and i think the other guests agree it's about work to donald trump will tell you i worked with him on the campaign. he's one of the hardest workers i've ever seen in my life. that's the attitude is going to bring to washington what might
rankled a lot of politicians as they are going to have to do more than just fund-raising a fund-raiser and go along to get along. we have to actually do things now and get the policies. charles: account accountability guys. no one outhustled donald trump except for his sons. lou: good evening everybody president-elect trump today into more secretaries to his prospective cabinet exxonmobil ceo rex tillerson for secretary of state former texas governor rick perry for energy secretary. tillerson controversial choice that he was reportedly propelled to the top of the exxon in part by negotiating a deal with vladimir putin almost two decades ago with the oil project in russians be and while tillerson may have helped him land the secretary of state nomination it may also harm his chances