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are they all bills they should be paying? are some bills out of whack? it's the type of thing that, well, trish regan gets into every singleay. and she's young. trish: you, you -- i love, i love being on with you, because you keep saying that, neil. neil: there you go. that's me, we should look after the taxpayer. [laughter] trish: shul! absolutely, we should. that's a real change in how we need to think about things. neil cavuto, thank you so much. a manhunt is underway in manchester for any possible suspects, a senseless, heartless suicide bomber blew himself up killing at least 22 people including the terrorist and injuring more than 50 others. the identities of these victims are slowly coming in. we can confirm a little girl, just 8 years old, is among the dead. i am trish regan. welcome, everyone, to "the intelligence report."
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manchester police have identified the lone terrorist as a 22-year-old man. police have carried out two raids, they've arrested a 23-year-old as part of their investigation. right now isis is claiming responsibility for the attack. and president trump calling on the civilized world to unite and to defeat terrorism once and for all. the president calling terrorists, quote, evil losers, and he says their wicked ideology must be obliterated. we're going to have more on the president's remarks later in the show. back here at home, the white house is unveiling an ambitious budget plan for 2018, and it's aimed at putting you, the taxpayer, first. all of this as there are new twists and new turns in the russia investigation. we have the intel. but first, i want to bring in former cia director, ambassador james wooly, who is -- james woolsey for his analysis of this heinous terror attack in manchester. welcome, ambassador.
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odo have you here, unfortunately casion. they now need find who the accomplices are. i mean, how challenging is this for them, and how do you prevent this kind of stuff from happening? because i'll tell ya, it's happening way too often. >> right. it's very difficult, because these are ideologically motivated individuals and groups, it looks like, radical islamists. but they may not be part of a big group that you could, might have penetrated with an agent or intercept a telephone communications or something like that. and if it's a very small group, if it's two brothers as it was in boston a couple years ago, then it's very hard to get any intelligence on them in advance. the best you can do really is make sure that your systems are deployed properly and guarded and you don't have, you search people in groups when they go through barriers.
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trish: well, that's the other thing. think about all those people, thousands of people there gathered, and what kind of security did they not have in this particular case? because it seems to me you shouldn't be able to get a bomb in. >> well, some bombs are pretty small. or can be. and it's, well, look at what we all go through to fly. i mean, take off your shoes, etc., etc. you can make the search more and more elaborate and have a better and better chance of catching someone, and then people are lined up for hours trying to get in. it's a real frustrating situation. trish: so this is really challenging, the way that we live. you can try and get rid of the ideology. this is part of what president trump is saying. you heard him in saudi arabia saying, look, you know, this has to go. and the muslim world has to take some responsibility to maksu they rid their moss beings of this kind of -- >> that's what was, i think, really important about his speech. it's a huge change from the obama administration.
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and he was careful, he did not suggest that the problem was islam. it's not. but a u.n. set of -- a subset of terrorists from various places and ideologies. and it is not, not all catholics supported the spanish inquisition, but a few did. not all folks in massachusetts in the 690s -- 1690s were burning witches at stake, but a few did. and you have to figure out what the ideology is of these fringe groups and do what you can to undermine be it. it's not easy. trish: no, and people in the muslim world need to step up the that. and they should want to step up to that, because you don't want that perverting and corrupting your religion. >> right. real moderate muslims are our best allies in this. fake moderate muslims are not. trish: let me turn to what's going on on capitol hill today.
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let me play some sound for you of john brennan in his testimony. >> i know what the russians try to do, they try to sub born individuals, and they try to get individuals, including u.s. persons, to act on their behalf wittingly or unwittingly. and i was worried by a number of the contacts that the russians had with u.s. persons, and so therefore, by the time i left office on january 20th, i had unresolved questions in my mind as to whether or not the russians had been successful in getting u.s. persons involved in the campaign or not to work on their behalf. again, eitr in a witting or unwitting fashion. trish: what's your take on all of this? >> well, it's only part of the issue. yes, sometimes the russians do succeed in recruiting individuals just as other spy organizations do. i don't think that's the main problem. the russians have a word, disinformation, and it doesn't
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just mean misinformation, making a mistake, it is a campaign to adjust the meanings of documents, pictures. they have thousands of people involved in it. we had as a defector back in '79 a man who was the head of romanian intelligence. the highest level defector we got in the cold war. it's amazing what he came up with, thousands and thousands of russians and soviet bloc people who were working to -- and they push anti-semitism, they attack the catholic church, they -- trish: okay, so so this propaganda campaign where they, you know, put out a different narrative, etc., but how does that actually change the outcome of the election? >> well, they're doing it all the time. it's not a one-time thing. it's, they're never not doing it. he says that there were more people involved in these types
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of activities, certainly more than the kind of recruiting john was talking about, than were in the armed forces of the soviet union. trish: okay, but, you know, how do you get from that to donald trump won because of the russians? >> well, i don't -- trish: which is the narrative that's being spun. >> well, i don't think that's correct, that he won because of the russians. i -- it was a confusing campaign, to me and everybody, i suppose. [laughter] but i don't think that's what happened. trish: ambassador woolsey, i'm afraid i'm out of time, but thank you so much. >> good to see you again. trish: joining me now for more analysis on the manchester attack, dr. sebastian gorka. you know, what are the ways that we can go about this? you just heard from ambassador woolsey when said, look, this is an ideology that we're trying to fight, but it's very difficult in some cases to track these people because they're not making themselves known to begin with.
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>> well, unfortunately, the majority of the individuals who have been responsible for recent attacks were on the radar screens of the given countries' authorities. so it's not a question in this case of finding them before they do the damage, it's having the correct tools in place and having the policies which allow you to deal with that person before they put on the suicide vest, before they steal that truck or that car and decide to mow people down. so, you know, we have amazing security professionals in america, in the u.k. i wouldn't look necessarily to the tactical questions. it's often an issue of policies and political culture. look at what happened in america in the last eight years. we had a denial of who the terrorists are and why they do what they do. we have people saying all we need are jobs for jihadis. when you have those kinds of policies, then people will be endangered by jihaddism because
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political correctness overweighs, overarches national security, trish. trish: when we think about the policies we need in place right now, what can you do? is this a security policy that you're talking about to prevent things like this from happening here in the united states? and we know they have. >> well, the first thing you need is leadership, and that's why president trump in the heartland of the islamic world in saudi arabia where he stood in front of the leaders of more than 50 arab muslim nations, and he spoke truthfully about the threat to our countries. he said you mysteried your houses -- must rid your houses of worship, rid your communities of the terrorists, of the extremists. no more political correctness. we have to speak truthfully about the threat, number one. number two, we have to have a true alliance, a true partnehip, we have to help our muslim allies fight the war in the middle east where isis and al-qaeda exists, and then when you come back home, we have to
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do the heavy lifting of human intelligence. it's -- technical intelligence is great, so, you know, spying on people's cell phones if they're bad guys, using satellites, that's great. but we have to have the people in the communities, the sources, the good community relations that allow us to have somebody call us and say, hey, this person, they're doing something suspicious. in san bernardino, the neighbors saw something but didn't say anything because they were afraid of being called islam phobes. has to end. trish: the time has come, for sure. dr. gorka, thank you very much. >> thank you, trish. trish: authorities say there are there are no specific, credible threats to music venues in the u.s., but there is heightened security around these busy areas including times square here in new york city. the extra security comes as the director of national intelligence gives a grim reminder to all americans. watch. >> it's a tragic situation that we see all too much of happening
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in countries around the world, particularly our allies. so it once genre minds us that this threat is real, it is not going away and needs significant attention. trish: joining me right now, former fbi assistant director ron hosco and fox news strategic analyst lieutenant colonel ralph peters. good to have you here. colonel ralph peters, you've been talking about this a lot over the last couple years. you're seriously concerned about the muslim world and their unwillingness to really start to take some responsibility. is that going to now change under president trump and given what you've heard from him this week? >> well, it would be nice if the muslim world would take responsibility for the aberrant behaviors that have sprung out of what happen bill. which is saudi-backed extremism. but i'm also concerned about here at home or in britain, because when i look at this
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attack, first of all, isis had a statement claiming responsibility in which they said one of their soldiers attacked crusaders. really? 8-year-old girls, tweens, teens, moms? soldiers? and you know what? whenever this happens and we arrest people, accomplices, those on the hard left jump to their defense, invent rights for them, they put obstacles in the way of law enforcement, they insist that hate speech is free speech. and, you know, you get people -- you know them well, trish, who insist in their way that somehow guantanamo is worse than 9/11. unless we are willing to take the reasoned measures as free societies to crack down on the fanatics, we victimize all the -- trish: you know, it's well said. and, ron, i would just say when you hear colonel peters, he's saying take the reasonable measures. yes, the reasonable measures. i mean, the idea that have
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not been able to label this what it is, the idea that we've been so fearful of saying, okay, you know, maybe we need to look at the muslim community more closely when we know that it's coming from extremists within the muslim community. you just say why am i living in this upside down world when we're allowing -- because that's what it is, we are allowing these little kids to get blown up this. >> it is a concern, trish. you know, are we complicit in some of these horrific acts by how we have intentionally lowered our forward? and i -- our guard? and i think it is time for a new conversation in america about how to get our guard back to where it should be. and some of that is, i think, a conversation about unchecked immigration, people who come on a visitor visa and never leave. there's no follow-up, there's no concern shown about who these folks are, what their true purposes are. so i think it is a time to
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restore the rule of law and some checks and balances. and i think we desperately need the involvement of the faith community, the muslim community, leadership within that community to speak loudly against these atrocities. trish: why haven't they? colonel peters, why haven't they? if you're muslim and you're a leader in your muslim community, you shouldn't want this. you don't want your rigion doing things like this or your religion being tainted by these acts. i mean, why haven't we seen more leadership within that community, do you think? >> because we have pandered to the worst elements in the muslim communities here and in europe. and it's a tragedy. and president george w. bush bears some responsibility. but for the eight years of obama, it was pandering to groups like the council on american islamic relations, other radical muslim brother hood-related groups, and you see it around the world. and it's a very simple thing to
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understand. when we respond to the noisiest complainers in the radical parts of the muslim community, we empower them. when they're invited to the white house, they're empowered, and then they get to go back and terrorize their communities. why don't more muslims speak out? the average american muslim is pretty well educated, hard working, employed and just wants to get on with his or her life and a better life for their children. trish: i agree. >> but we have pandered to the saudi-funded hate speech. how can we allow them to fund mosques and madrassas here when we certainly couldn't fund churches in saudi arabia. and, you know, they may have some advantage to us as allies, but you trace the roots back of all these attacks from 9/11, you know, boston, orlando, berlin, paris, again and again, london, sidney, australia, it all goes back to the wahhabi palace my which they are still pushing. isis has its roots in salafism,
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so what i'd say simply is this: stop supporting the crazies. stop supporting and making excuses for radicals. support the decent muslims, and there are plenty of decent muslims. trish: aolutely. colonel peters, ron, thank you. tough story, a right. investigating whether the suicide bomber acted alone in the manchester attack or is part of a wider network, president trump is calling for nations to form a coalition to, quote, stamp out this extremism. it's gotta happen. they've gotta do it. they need to be on board. so what is it going to look like? i'm going to be asking former u.s. ambassador to the u.n., ambassador john bolton who has had enough with all of this. he joins me right now. these days families want to be connected 24/7.
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>> dozens of innocent people, beautiful, young children savagely murdered in this heinous attack upon humanity. i repeat again that we must drive out the terrorists and the extremists from our midst. obliterate this evil ideology and protect and defend our citizens and people of the world. [applause] trish: that's president trump calling on the world to unite around the shared foal of stamping out extremists -- goal, calling it the focus of his trip while wrap up his trip to israel, president trump pushed for peace with the palestinians saying both sides need to put aside the pain and disagreements of the past. watch him here. >> and tell you that the
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palestinians are ready to reach for peace. i know you've heard it before. i am telling you, that's what i do, they are ready to reach for peace. and my meeting with my very good frend, benjamin -- friend, benjamin, i can tell you also that he is reaching for peace. he wants peace. trish: he delivered a similar message in saudi arabia, a speech for which he received some very good reviews. but my next guest says now it's time for action. he's tired of the talk. former u.n. ambassador john bolton joins me right now. ambassador, you know, it's a tough day here, it was a tough night, a very sad night for the world. we have learned that a young child, an 8-year-old girl, died in that attack there last night. you know, we keep hearing we've got to do something. finish when to we do it? >> well, i think it's long overdue, and i'd s the most
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important thing in the series of speeches that president trump has given is his recognition. and the clip you just plaid, in fact, of the need to obliterate what he called this evil ideology. and that's a dramatic rhetorical change from the past eight years. i think the president deeply believes it, but now he's got to put it into action. the fact is just 15 and a half years after 9/11, which really brought americans together in an effort to destroy terrorism, to defeat the taliban and al-qaeda in afghanistan, after eight years of the prior administration we've lost the will to win. i mean, i don't know how to put it any other way. and when we lose the will to win, who's surprised that the europeans have lost it already? trish: when you say we've lost the to win, what does that mean? that we're not willing to commit the resources? we're not willing to commit the people that it takes to go overseas and fight? we're not willing to commit the intelligence sources? what do you mean by that?
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>> well, all of the above would be a good place to start. i mean, i think fundamentally it turns on the question how you view the terrorist threat. if you view it as an ideological threat, as the president just said, if you view what they do in committing acts of terrorism against civilians which is what it is by definition as acts of war, then you need to treat in the way we called it after 9/11. it is a war the terrorists are fighting against us. but if you see it through the paradigm of law enforcement, which is the way both the obama and clinton administrations did, then it's regrettable, obviously, but it happens. you just have to get used to living with some low-grade virus infection of terror -- trish: it's not okay. there's no one that should think that's okay. and certainly not the parents of that little girl last night. it is not okay -- >> exactly. trish: -- to lose one single life because of these barbarians. >> no, that's the question, what is your tolerance for terrorism.
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mine is zero. that's it, very simple. and i think if the president now can get his ponderous bureaucracy in washington to recognize they've got a new president, then some things can happen. but nobody should underestimate the task. desweet many of the things -- despite many of the things that he's said during the campaign and in the four months since he's been in office, it's hard to make the federal bureaucracy respond even in the national security area. trish: isn't that a tragedy. you're right, ambassador, zero tolerance for this stuff. thank you. it's good to have your perspective. >> thank you. trish: stocks right now higher, up 45 points, shaking off some of the fears there amid what we're seeing overseas. the nasdaq slightly lower but pretty much hugging the flatline. the markets are really looking to president trump's new budget plan. that's what's in focus right now. and he's billing this and the administration is billing this as something that's going to bring you, the taxpayer, some relief while getting our ballooning deficits under control.
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but it's still, what are we talking about, $4.1 trillion? pretty big budget. steve forbes is here. he's going to weigh in on it. plus, former cia director john brennan testifying today that russians brazenly interfered in the 2016 election. we're on it.
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. trish: the white house releasing proposed budget for 2018. president is asking congress to add more than $56 billion on defense and border security while cutting 1.7 trillion dollars from future medicaid and welfare spending over the next ten years. the white house plan leaves social security and medicare untouched in a taxpayer first budget. joining me with his thoughts on all of it, forbes media chairman steve forbes, good to have you here. >> good to be here. trish: your initial take? >> nice budget, they did not do the prep work, the narrative went to the democrats, cutting
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programs for the poor, the people that elected donald trump didn't explain how food stamp reform is going to help people that need it. same thing on disabilities. they've left themselves open. while mulvaney, the budget director had nice quotes about you don't measure compassion by how much you spent, they should have had real-life examples from the clinton welfare reform of 20 years ago, here's how this family was saved. here's how we hope in the future to make a better live for americans, revolve it around people, not numbers. trish: they haven't, and in some ways it feels like a bit of afterthought because you've got everything going on with the president's trip abroad. he's overseas, he's not back home at a time when this budget is getting rolled out. what does that suggest? >> suggests they didn't coordinate that. they could have put this off for several more days and had the president roll the thing out and have all of this stuff ready in terms of social media,
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having groups ready to come to the defense of it and'd indicate it and why this is a good preparation for reform. they're sounding like charles dickens. trish: look, you start taking away food stamps, et cetera, it sounds bad and even if -- >> americans know there is real fraud there, so they could say, here's how we stop the abuses and make the point. a little prosperity in the last four yearsthree million people on food stamps, it's realistic to reduce growth if you have 10 million in the next ten years. trish: steve, here's mick mulvaney talking about why we need to reduce the programs. >> we looked at the budget through the eyes of the people paying the bills. you have to have compassion for folks receiving the federal funds and have compassion for the folks paying it. that is one of the things that is new about this president's budget. trish: see, i love that, because no one cares about the people paying the money,
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they're saying everybody getting it, he also said we're no longer going to measure compassion by the number of people we help, but the number of people we get off of the programs. in other words, shouldn't it be our government's goal to enable our citizens to help empower them so they're not sitting around waiting for handouts? >> this is where he's standing out alone and take all the fire from a budget where they didn't do the proper prep work, where they could make the point that here's how it's going to help people, both the taxpayer and the people who are supposed to be getting back on their feet, and cite what's been done effectively. for example, in medicaid, are we going to take health care away. rhode island and indiana had recent reforms where they spend less and provide more care to the patients. those are the things they should have been able to trot out and say this is the future, more effective help and better relief.
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trish: you're doing it right now, you're helping them a little bit. it's challenging because this is a white house that frankly dealing with an onslaught of news every single day. >> precisely why, when you put a budget out, you know what the other side is going to say, know what they're going to do, prepped for a counterattack. trish: when you write the term paper, you get the thesis, you back it up and you know what the attack is going to be and you say this is wrong and this is wrong and this is why in conclusion. >> if they've done it in advance, there would be a lot of leaks, this institution, that institution, this group, that group, everyone expected it, they would know what the democrats are going to say but the republicans all prepared saying that's obsolete thinking, they say they're going to help you, they hurt you. here's how we're different. trish: steve forbes, good to have you here. overall you like it? >> well -- [laughter]. trish: we watch the market that's up 45 points. the white house is touting the president's budget is putting
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taxpayers first, but you got larry summers saying it's, quote, simply ludicrous. he doesn't know how you're going to get the growth to meet the budget. our political panel is going to debate. the political ramifications of all of this, see you here in two. there's nothing traditional about my small business so when
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quote, ludicrously -- can i say it? optimistic. it's ludicrous. apparently the budget he writes forecasts that u.s. economic growth will rise 3.0% because the administration's policies largely tax cuts and perhaps also regulatory policies. fair enough if you believe in tooth fairies and ludicrous supply-side economics. during a press conference earlier today, mick mulvaney faired back, criticizing the economic policies put in place by president obama. take a listen here. >> i looked at some of the economic assumptions that the obama administration made in its first couple of years, and i want to say in a couple of different occasions, assumed growth rate was 4.5%. keep in mind, this is the first administration in history, okay, it was the first decade of the first eight-year period
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in history not to have a 3% growth rate yet they were promising 4 1/2 growth. if larry wants to talk about unreasonable assumptions, we talk about 3% growth rate and his 4 1/2 and who is actually closer to reality. trish: take that, larry summers! joining me right now jessica tarlov and mercedes schlapp. good to have you here. jessica, i'm going to start with you. 3%. it's not asking for the moon, and if you ask me, given the tax policy, the lack of tax policy, the lack of economic policy we've had in place over the last eight years, if you put something meaningful in there, you just by god darn it might get the 3%. >> i guess you might but might not. a higher likelihood that you wouldn't. that is unclear, it includes the $800 billion slash to
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medicaid, another way of taking away entitle program. donald trump was clear he didn't want to take social security or medicare, i think that when people, when you consider who his base is are thinking you're spending 1.6 billion on the wall but taking away food stamps, disability assistance, lots of other cultural programs. trish: 1.6 billion on the wall puts people to work. >> republicans are going to rail against infrastructure. everybody going to lose entitlements is now going to work on the wall? it's a stretch. yeah. trish: the entitlements, part of the problems with the entitlements is they have gotten so out of control, mercedes, i start to question, when you look at one in 20 americans on disability, we're paying a large group of people not to work. when you think how food stamps have ballooned. what has happened to our society that this many people need a handout from uncle sam? >> to jessica's point, donald trump is not taking away the
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programs, this is slowing down the growth of medicaid over the next ten years, and all, actually passing the burden to the states where the states who have much more in contact with our local communities can define what programs work best for them. this is also a question of breaking the cycle of dependency which is something we saw during the time that president bill clinton was in office where, he worked with speaker newt gingrich to pass welfare reform. we need to have innovation in these areas where we are able to have able-working men get off of welfare and not stay on for prolonged period of time, men and women. you know, the other thing is with food stamps to insure there is no fraud, that we have review of these programs and not redundant programs and so how do you get the 42 million individuals dependent on food stamps to get to a point if you have economic growth in america, if you get to the 3%, which i remember when president
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reagan passed the tax cuts, it was very clear we saw 4% growth here. >> you know reagan's budget director said this isn't going to work. >> we're building this economic environment. trish: for political reasons, though. we live in a political world right now. mercedes, i'm sorry. >> you have to build the environment, the business friendly environment where you promote economic growth and you will see revenues go up and our gdp go up and that benefits all americans. >> and i would just say, you've got a situation where it's simply not sustainable. you got the top 20% paying 87% of all tax revenues. this is something that, when you think about what this country was founded on, the principles of who we are as americans, you should be able to work hard and be able to keep what you earn, and shouldn't be going as a transfer to someone else. we should have programs in place that help those people, that want to work, to help them be successful and what is wrong
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with that, jessica? >> nothing is wrong with that, i'm one of the democrats who thinks we can dabble in means testing. there are people on welfare in the programs that shouldn't be, but these are blunt cuts, they're not precise at all, and i cod add that irelies on seeing 206 months of continuous growth and without going into a recession, which has never happened in american history. this isn't just asking for a little jump here, it's asking for the moon, as you put it in the beginning, and going back to what i said about reagan's budget director, john mccain said this is dead on arrival. trish: that's the political thing. >> the problem is reality is you have to ask. trish: everybody has their hand out looking for something. if you for a state that relies on farm subsidies, you don't like it because the subsidies get cut. that's the political reality for this challenging environment for him. i tell you, we got to get the
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spending under control somehow, some way. i'm afraid i got to leave it there. thank you very much. former cia director john brennan testifying on capitol hill today, claiming russia tried to weaken hillary clinton's campaign because they thought she would win. details after this.
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. trish: story not going away, despite president trump being overseas, you have a senate hearing going on today. national intelligence director dan coats wouldn't comment on reports about whether or not the president asked him to publicly deny any collusion with russia. also got the former cia director john brennan testifying to the house saying he warned russia against mettling in our election back in august and russia tried to weaken hillary clinton because they thought she was going to win. guess they were wrong. >> i think that they, most of the time, believed that secretary clinton was going to win the election, so their
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efforts to denigrate her were not justo diminish her chances of winning, but also to hurt her and support her eventual presidency, but also, it's my assessment that they clearly had a more favorable view toward mr. trump and actions they were take were trying to increase his prospects, even though i felt as though they were not all that great. trish: he also talked about the security risk posed by former national security adviser michael flynn who yesterday pleaded the fifth in response to a subpoena from the senate. hugo gurdon from the washington examiner and joins me with his thoughts on this. you heard brennan saying they were trying to denigrate her, hurt her, you know, i don't know. i just look at it, hugo and say she had an opportunity to go out there and campaign. she could have gone to places that he won. that's chose not to, and that had nothing to do with the
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russians. >> sure, she had the opportunity to go to wisconsin and the rest of the rust belt, the industrial midwest and failed to do it. she assumed she was going to win and instead went to campaign in arizona. trish: as everybody talks about this, what exactly are they saying the russians did, right? they didn't break into the diebold voting machines and hack the elections that way. they maybe tried to influence the narrative. let me tell you his narrative wasn't so good especially with the access hollywood tape that came out. what exactly were they doing that we can pinpoint and say this actually hurt her? >> a lot of the evidence is obviously still to come out. but clearly, there seems to have been collusion with wikileaks. some of the information that came out there may well have been connected to the russians. you know -- trish: the podesta e-mails, they weren't that bad. >> no, and the truth is no one
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knows whether the fact that donald trump was allegedly connected to russia and possibly colluding, people say, no one knows how many voters were turned off donald trump because of that talk. no one knows whether russia was successful or unsuccessful in hope of moving voters away from hillary clinton or towards hillary clinton because as you say, they weren't hacking the leck machines. trish: yeah, i mean, look, you don't want them involved in any way, shape, or form, but also the crude reality that happens in the international world we live in. let's not forget we were listening in on angela merkel's cell phone. there is stage craft all over the place. we also participate in that. >> all nations do that, and it's obviously up to the country to defend itself properly. one of the things that took place was the dnc was easy for them to get into, the russians
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tried to hack it and the hackers found the door was open, a little more difficult, apparently, to get into the republican, you know, computers, so they went where the money was, as it were. but for sure, everyone has to defend themselves and defensive capabilities are not as strong as they need to be, offensive capabilities are somewhat strong jeer at the end of the day, this is important to have this investigation because he needs to be cleared, and god forbid there is actually anything wrong here, it's very hard for us to pinpoint all this, because right now it's innuendo and speculation. if there was anything terribly wrong, those people should be brought to justice, it's important to have the discovery process because i, for one as a reporter would like to know what it is specifically that we're talking about here as opposed to -- >> you're exactly right. what we're watching right now, trish, is the store see changing, the critics are
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changing tact. a lot of lawmakers and lot of others, including democrats that for now and about a week indicating they don't expect to find collusion. trish: there you go. all right, could be good news for them. hugo, good to have you here. we'll be right back. time's up, insufficient we're on prenatal care.es. and administrative paperwork... your days of drowning people are numbered. same goes for you, budget overruns.
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. trish: moments ago, president trump landed in rome. it is the next stop of course on his tour of the middle east and europe. jack keane joins me now, and general keane, good to have you here. the president is getting so far, so good, positive reviews, many are warning that might change as he's heading to europe and facing nato allies. how do things start to shift right now? what does he need to say? >> he's going to europe on the heels of this isis attack,
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obviously, in manchester. and the facts are these, in three years isis conducts 32 attacks on nato countries. 8 nato countries. we went to war when radical islamists conducted 9/11 on the united states, nato went to war. why isn't nato on a war footing today? he's going to find the leaders in nato as complacent and feckless and don't have the resolve to stand up and truly protect their people the way they should be protection them. trump gets this. that speech he made in saudi arabia and enlisted the arab muslims to do clearly is a step in the right direction. one other world leader understands what's going on and how serious this threat is, that's netanyahu. trump has to exercise the same leadership in nato that he's doing with the arab muslims. they are downright complacent. trish: you look at tragedy europe has seen over several years and say to yourself how can they be complacent?
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how can the populations be complacent, including all the bad stuff we've seen, including last night. >> they sure are, isis should have been crushed in the first eight to ten months of existence, that should have been done by nato and arabs in the region. crushed them. obama went about it in an incremental way, when the capital of isis was syria. three years later and going about it with half measures, though the half measures are more than what obama was doing, nothing in comparison to what should happen. they should be crushed. they should have been crushed a long time ago, and it would make a difference in terms of their iconic figure that isis is throughout the world. certainly now established themselves in 30 other countries and given them that opportunity to do that in the 3+ years, but the europeans do not have their act together. trish: general, thank you so much.
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>> good talking to you, trish. trish: we'll be right back.
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