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also a great episode of the "property man" at 8:30 eastern time right here on fox business network. i want to say personally on this memorial day weekend we thank all of our men and women for their service in the military. thanks to all of you. charles payne is next. charles: good evening i am charles payne. more records on wall street that something turned as well one of my favorite analysts will help me break it down later in the show but first it's war. public enemy number one also known as -- the mainstream media the intelligence committee the establishment and of course globalists and their mission to destroy president trump at all cost now. the administration is gearing up to fight back. their wartime commander if you will steve bannon is the tip of the spear. dan bongino joins us now. dan, they have done a deep job on the truck administration
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extraordinarily effective so far far. why is that a? why are they so powerful and why can they push back against not only the president of the united states but the american people? >> one charles because they don't want to leave. who better to talk about this than me? i was a secret service agent with access to the highest levels of power and i resigned. i left because frankly for what was going on. i didn't witness anything illegal per se but that's not what these people are doing. i've seen is described in a number of places as a soft two. i don't disagree with that. they are staying within the government collecting taxpayer-funded salary to sabotage the administration. these people have no guts. have some guts and go in resigned and stop collecting our money to destroy their livelihoods. these people are civil service protection. they are embedded like take some of them and they aren't going to go anywhere. they will write it out until the very end.
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charles: of course it feels like it's not just those embedded bureaucrats or obama holdovers that if you will pushing back against the trump administration but all the other entities and tentacles of power. a large lobos corporations, the mainstream medium. even the intelligence community which you would think would have a higher calling if you will. you know very well and you understand it very well. why is that happening? >> you see right now it's kind of a bifurcated problem. i heard charles krauthammer who brought up a good point. not all of this is the deep state. on one prong of the force area people of the trump administration who are selling out to the trump administration itself in leaking to the press but at the other end of the pond that really bothers me. it's just what you said the intel people. it's the leaks coming in the fbi administration a perfect example. happened yesterday with this kushner so-called breaking news
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what was the breaking news, the someone interviewed jared kushner about the russian investigation? that's your news/? it was embarrassing. the story and that should a bin the leak that kushner was even interviewed, not the fact that he was interviewed. the leak should have been the story. charles: and very excited about the story that left scuttlebutt that now the administration is going to fight back and perhaps steve bannon will take the lead on that? >> you know i am. i know steve and i suggested a while ago that they need a weak czar. i've like to see them bring in someone who has no attachment whatsoever to the political infrastructure and doesn't want to run for office isn't looking for promotion but someone who will come in with law enforcement background who is retired to weed these people out. it's not the political damage they are doing to trump. that's bad enough but what i'm worried about is the damage it's doing to the united states.
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look what happened with these manchester leaks. the uk doesn't even trust us anymore with intel information. this is hurting taxpayers and it's got to stop. charles: i want to bring you back later in the show for right now i'm bringing my panel. let me start with you kirsten. dan bongino makes the point uk one of our oldest and closest allies are saying golly this is amazing that someone would actually leak photos of the crime scene in the manchester massacre in "the news york times" would leak it and again you have two prongs in the so-called deep state. someone on the inside in the mainstream media and for this particular point they put lives at risk. they put an investigation in jeopardy. >> absolutely and it plays well for the trump administration because formally the concern about leaks have been privy to the russian administration. he's able to really use that to press for the investigation of
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doesn't make it look personal. they are looking for a silver lining and this will be taken more seriously but at the end of the day was steve bannon coming in and then talking about going after this real assault that they are facing in the deep state we have to make sure we keep the focus not on who it is driving the most headlines and creating the best narrative here but what is the best for the american people and leaks are bad for everyone. they undermine that trust that has been lost in last year in our government. charles: we know that leaks are a weapon and it's one of the many weapons being used by the large brockers he's out there. we saw the trump budget and they are talking about massively slashing some of these bloated agencies. i guess when you start talking about taking 20 billion on the department and another 50 million from the department, that comes from someone's pocket. that's money and they push back.
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>> they do pushback and if someone is talking about the reduction of the budget for the epa, i don't think there's a lot of classified data there but if you're talking about filling out with the prime minister of australia said to president trump all these leaks about manchester. this is classified stuff. this shouldn't be discussed. it would be helpful for attorney general jeff session to give a promise anybody caught doing this will be sent to jail and do hard time. >> the white house put out a statement about prosecutions and i was music to my ears but i don't know that the so-called deep state care so much about speeches. they are about action so far they have been on the offensive. that's what i'm talking about here. >> we saw some leakers being put in handcuffs and put in the back of squad cars. charles: joe you were involved with the campaign trail in new york. there's some speculation that even folks who are close to him
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will have greater allegiance to the deep state than to donald trump, the will of the people in his agenda. >> it's very problematic. it's not even necessarily classified information but just as you pointed out confidential information how could anyone whether it's the president or anyone in the highest level in the white house engage in serious conversations with counterpoint overseas if they believe the contents of the conversations will be disclosed? this is something trump's been talking about going back to february of this year. john brennan testified this week pre-manchester about the leaks. the context of manchester provided we didn't see me serious discussion we needed. charles: again the speculation and there's all kinds of talk. next week when president trump comes back there's going to be hell to pay. people are going to be tossed out. they're going to be revelations about who these leakers are in
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there maybe as many as three of them and they will go on the offense and prosecute people and point out people. jeff sessions and steve bannon. do we need the white house to fight this because there's a war going on redoing need them to fight back? >> we absolutely do need to fight back and there'll be opposition to the cabinet. they need to for the sake of the messaging on the legislative and on what they want to do and what they want to get done. you know what would help if you didn't see people like edward snowden and julian assange lifted up as heroes in this world that a lot of people want to leak so they can get their 15 minutes of fame or be lifted up as a social justice hero. they are endangering people's lives and they should be looked at as that. charles: one of the points kristen kristin made is critical. the legislation seems to have gotten bogged down. the trump agenda seems to gotten bogged down in all of this and it's a murky place to be. you don't want to make it even tougher. >> seeing that i had a
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conversation earlier this week. unbelievable the level of defeatism that the best way to get people reelected next year is to do their jobs. they need to govern. as long as the investigation goes on there's no reason the house can vote on legislation and the reason the senate can vote on legislation. the best thing the republicans do to get back on track is to do their jobs. put as much as they cannot president trump's desk. i think people would feel better and a lot of this negativity would start to lift. charles: are you confident that someone like paul ryan an establishment politician is the guy that can lead this because i think he's got a mixed track record right now. cedar key certainly getting a lot of pushback within his own party not just from the trump party. he had no choice but to deliver and unfortunately with some of the distractions -- charles: would you say he's part of the deep state? would you go that far? >> i don't think it's he's undermining the president angelie buddy undermines the
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agenda by not passing the legislation that the republican party wants to pass. that's what the voters are going to judge the republican party on. we might see the same thing in 2018. charles: guys thank you very much. today his one assessment of president trump proves it's not going to be easy. we will tell you who he is when we come back. ♪
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he still learning how to be present for joining me to discuss ron christie and gina loudon. let me start with you gina. boehner like a whole lot of these other folks who just won't go away and those are some really biting comments on the persons whose only been on the job a few more than 100 days. >> e, john who? do we even remember him? is he not the footnotes of footnotes? is he not a swamp monster charles? he's the guy whose approval rating in his congress was lower than president trump's ever has been or ever will be. you can pretty much count on that. i'm not sure those who remember him care to remember him and others who do really much defined them as establishment extraordinaire. charles: do we look jan doll that and say here's a guy who probably has a serious connection to washington d.c. and understand how things work that he is essentially saying that president trump's agenda is
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not going to get done. >> e and he has been pro-trump certainly after he was elected and before he was elected. i don't know why boehner is missing the limelight but this is not helpful for either president trump or speaker ryan in trying to get tax reform done and health care done. this is something that is not helpful to the trump agenda and you wonder, remember trump didn't push boehner out. as the conservatives in the house who didn't like how he was governing. trump had nothing to do that. charles: to your point banner was pushed out ron and it seems like he's been somewhat better ever since. he did have that brief romance with president trump but it didn't ever feel genuine to me. it felt like a way to get back in the good embraces of the mainstream especially the tea party. >> good evening charles.
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i've known the speaker of the house for 26 years. john boehner is the epitome of an insider of cutting a deal in trying to find a way to support consensus in the way he exited the house is exactly right. he was undone by the freedom caucus and i think he didn't really sit very well with that but the fact that he came out and said what he had to say about president trump is surprising to me given how conciliatory he's been over the years. that's not his style to after people on a percival way like that. charles: and we argue that hey this is an act desperation and tough love perhaps trying to spark a fire in a situation that's starting to spiral out of control? can he give them the benefit of the doubt on that? >> no. i'll tell you the reason trump was elected is because of people like john boehner who wouldn't even know how to fire if it weren't for circular fire. if you want to have a constructive conversation charles like you are talking
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about and i think there's a place without them pick up the telephone and call him and offer your help and your advice but to keep family fights in the family. the democrats do it well and you have to wonder if the republicans will ever learn. charles: also this week we heard mitch mcconnell say he doesn't have any idea how he will get votes on the obamacare replacement. that's scary stuff. it's pretty straightforward to me and again i'm not sure if it's attacked that creates a state of urgency or fees just being honest about this? >> i think he is being honest but it's quite revealing. it will be a very difficult task to get to 50 votes. the republicans in the senate have 52 seats so they can only afford -- then you have to merger with the house bill. mitch mcconnell has been around for a long time and he knows how difficult this will be. usually when bills die in the senate there is no both. i think this time a connell is going to bring a bill to the
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vote and he will say hey we either have the votes or not and it could be voted down. charles: of course ron nobody wants to be that person per se giving opposition to. you understand washington d.c. as well as anyone. you sense that they will get their act together? i know there a lot of negotiations going on behind the scenes but this field in front of the scenes like health is fading. >> beasher had better let me echo what was said a few seconds ago we have the largest governing house of representatives since 1929. these people have had seven years to get their act together to do tax reform to do health care reform. they can't find a way to get 50 votes in the senate to get health care through if they can find a way to get tax reform through a lot of people around this country charles are going to say we gave the republicans they honor the privilege and the opportunities to do well at all they are doing is arguing amongst themselves. charles: i would certainly say
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that would be the final straw. thank you all very much. the slaughter of christians continues with another horrific attack the other day. the question is where is the outrage? we will be right back. ♪ you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief, try doctor recommended gaviscon. it quickly neutralizes stomach acid and helps keep acid down for hours. relieve heartburn with fast- acting, long-lasting gaviscon. and helps keep acid down for hours. i count on my dell small for tech advice. with one phone call, i get products that suit my needs and i get back to business. ♪ ♪
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charles: last year when christian was killed every six minutes around the world. today 28 christians were killed and at least 22 injured in egypt after a team of gunman opened fire inside of a bus carrying a group to a monastery south of cairo. this attack on christianity follows the one last month palm sunday the bombing which killed 44 christians including entering another one. joining me now to discuss
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brigitte gabrielle. bridget, it's so horrific. they have been lambs to the slaughter and of course christians around the world the most persecuted and killed, religion and faith out there and yet there's no outrage. you don't see social media campaigns. you don't hear governments talking about it and it feels like ethnic cleansing is going on. >> that's exact we what's going on and we are seeing christian execution all over the world especially in majority muslim countries. charles i come from the middle east. this is how i ended up in america and as somebody whose house was blown by the rebels who ended up living seven years in a the bomb shelter before i made it to america. i never thought in my day as a mother in america i would witness the ongoing slaughter of
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christians in the middle east while churches in america are turning a blind eye. this is about reality and it's about time churches started organizing together and stop putting pressure on our government to do something even applying pressure on other governments in the middle east. charles: bridges stay right there because i want to bring in a panel to help us with his this discussion. kirsten and gina loudon are with us. kirsten you are deeply involved with the faith community. what is going on with respect to not necessarily government but religious organizations in america saying we may have to reach out and do what our government refuses to do and that's to help our fellow christians. >> is a very positive optimistic response and we have seen christians, a new christian generation realize that maybe america isn't the only place that has influence. we need to embrace this idea of a global church. you have seen them taking
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refugees in response to that crisis and supporting financially and with missionaries in very dangerous countries many of which we can't talk about because they are serving in such dangerous areas that the church has expected that and they have put pressure on president trump to put pressure on egypt where this attack happened. we are thankful that president trump tip about that statement but to put pressure to govern in a play that is based on what he campaigned on. he campaigned on increased security of protection for christians so all christians in the state are calling for that. charles: they were making a note pilgrimage and the egyptian government knew about it. there were some bombs dropped later on in areas where they thought the perpetrators may have been hiding but it feels like it was too little too late. she now there has been talk of save zones being established in the middle east particularly in syria. do you think that could be part
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of this solution or do we need to do more? >> that could be part of the solution but we definitely need to do more, charles. for all of the let's talk about refugees and that we should open our borders and allow everyone and, why not? going to your point charles why not allowed the persecuted religious groups in the entire world a special refugee status if you will. this is a great litmus test for the intellectually honest liberal who says they believe in united states constitution but doesn't care about this group of people who could actually light up constitutionalists that most americans die and assimilate very well. the problem is most of these christians want to remain in their homeland understandably. charles: shirt and bridget what do you think beyond some other solutions here because it's horrific to read about this every day and two genus point
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more heartwrenching that it doesn't elicit the kind of sorrow, the sympathy that we see further religions. i don't get that. >> no, and you know there were a lot of children that were attacked and it's heartbreaking. i have seen the pictures of the children screaming. we have read about them but we are not seeing the pictures and in many cases it's because even the cameramen who are taking the pictures and the middle east the majority of them are muslims and sympathizing with the islamic terrorists. it's the ones who are doing the persecutions are basically the neighbors who live in the community in the same geographical area. we need to see more by al-sisi and maybe bombing the area and attacked the christians to send a strong message to the muslims that we will retaliate against you because they are citizens of
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our country just as much as you are or anybody else is. they have to force to protect them. charles: he made some promises to protect them and hopefully he will step up because what we are seeing is unmerited -- unmitigated carnage. thank you all very much. meanwhile british authorities hunting for members of the terror network behind the manchester slaughter. a suicide bomber and his family and many others. by the way of them some of them just teenagers. we will be right back. it delivers a gentle mist experience to help block six key inflammatory substances. most allergy pills only block one. new flonase sensimist changes everything.
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champion. charles: we have breaking news on the manchester terror attack. the investigation expanding as the u.k. police now have nine people in custody. in fact, some as young as 18 years old in connection with the attack. this as the police hunt for a possible second bomb underway after authorities uncovered a bomb-making workshop at the attacker's manchester home. joining me now to discuss, deroy murdock and dan bongino. dan, it's absolutely amazing because we're starting to get clear evidence of perhaps a very sophisticated network that's been lurking for a long time. and one of the issues that i find really striking is how young some of these people are. in fact, i read an article about a 16-year-old recruiter out there. i mean, this underscores the
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challenges we face. >> that is who these people target, you know? in mosques and madrassas, they find people who are alienated for whatever reason, they're angry, many are orphans, and they give them money and entree into a society and slowly radicalize their beliefs. it's a tragedy. >> one thing we've learned from this is very often we hear about this so-called lone wolf, we now see this killer was not alone. eleven people, apparently, under arrest. you find these ongoing networks that often are attached to somebody early on we think is operating by themself. a lot of young people are being targeted on social media, facebook, other areas. we have a sort of digital front that we need to use to defeat these people and obliterate them. charles: not unlike ms-13 or someone like that, nefarious organizations going after young
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people who, to andrew's point, may feel at a certain point to be dissatisfied or not attached to a system or victimized in some way and capitalizing on it. >> yeah. you read my mind, charles. i'm actually in the middle of a deep dive for my third book doing research on presidential assassins, political assassinations and school shooters and gang members. and they all have that exact same thing in common which isis has sadly been able to leverage now. reaching out to those people isolated from communities who seemingly don't have any kind of meaning to their lives and and giving them some meaning however tragic and horrific that meaning is through suicide bombing or whatever it may be. is your comparison to gangs is an accurate one based on the psychological profile. charles: andrew, how do we combat that from an intelligence community point of view, understanding that the radicalization process in and of itself, it doesn't happen overnight, perhaps the seeds of it began from birth when someone in the family -- even though
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they've been rescued by the west, this kid grew up in england, our attackers a lot of them grew up in america -- even though they were rescued in their old countries, they despise this country. someone in their family from day one has ridiculed america and then something happens to them that flips the switch. >> right. we have to be really careful about criminalizing thought and criminalizing political beliefs. we focus on the operation -- charles: can we surveil it though? if we see the morphing of the guy who worked next to you or the kid in your class, hey, in ninth grade he was a great kid, by twelfth grade, i don't know, he was telling me stories about coming back from libya, and he had a machine gun. i mean, can we find a way to at least tag it? >> yeah. no, and that, look, that comes down to not necessarily a police function, but the islamic community function. that has to be something with the people who know these kids best on the alert as they were in this case for things that were going a little weird. and then we can identify when
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that person potentially becomes violent. charles: i know everyone who knows this stuff inside and out says we're in for a long, long entrenched war because it's an ideological war. do you agree with that? >> oh, i think this is going to go on for a long time. i think, again, we have to be realistic about this. at lot of people are living in fantasy land such as the judges who attacked president trump's restrictions on travel. they said something like this policy was dripping with animus or something like that. there have been a lot of people arrested with ties to libya, oneover the six countries on the -- one of the six countries on the travel restriction list x i think the british wish they'd been more vigilant about people coming back from libya. they might have caught this guy. >> and, by the way, the investigation at this point has to go to libya. the libyan authorities have said the bomber came to libya and learned how to make bombs from the internet. on the face of it, that's preposterous. clearly, he had some contact with personnel who taught him
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how to create these fairly advanced nail bomb suicide vests. that's not a common weapon. charles: they arrested his father and brother in libya, right? >> right. charles: thanking a lot, guys -- thanks a lot, guys. both the s&p 500 and nasdaq closed at new highs. hi market commentary and system of the hurdles facing this rally next. ♪ ♪
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or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis. charles: well, the markets decided to take a four-day weekend as well. trading was limited to a really tight range all session long, though the nasdaq was able to reach its 35th record high this year and the s&p 500 its 20th. the dow jones industrial average
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never did much. although the bias has shifted to the upside, this market is on the cusp of trying to make a monumental breakout x that means it needs a major catalyst. while we wait for that, there's more chatter about the need for legislative wins that could advance president trump's economic agenda. in fact, the latest voice, billionaire hedge fund manager paul singer saying, quote: all hell could break loose and plunge the nation into recession if we don't get those tax breaks, more regulatory cuts and an increase in government spending. singer, of course, was the never-trumper who said almost a year ago that the election of trump could trigger a recession. one reason singer was, has considered now, you know, trade rhetoric. he was worried about that. that was his main thing, trade rhetoric and possibly a trade war. on that note today, president trump lashing out at the germans saying that they are bad, very bad. of course, he was talking about trade policy and that $65 billion deficit they enjoyed
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with america last year. of course, the story was twisted in the german media, but trump did promise americans that he would get tough on trade, so does he have a point? here to discuss, deroy murdock is back along with my man, david nelson. david -- >> thanks for having me. charles: thanks for coming in. you know, "der spiegel" took it and said trump said germans were bad, but he's saying the idea that they would have a $65 billion trade deficit with us was unacceptable. do you agree with that this. >> look, trade is pretty complicated, and i don't think it's that simple. yeah, it's about $65 billion, but there's the other side of the equation because here in the united states certainly the germans employ a lot in terms of auto manufacturing, a lot of jobs down there in the south. but there are some issues that the president has been picking up on, and currency's a big part of this. you know, germany, if it wasn't for the euro, germany's currency, the deutsche mark, would be streaming right now, and they wouldn't enjoy the trade surplus they're getting right now. it would probably be a much
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smaller number. charles: so in other words, this is why maybe they don't mind every now and then bailing out a greece. >> yeah, yeah. charles: this may be an investment. if you have these languishing economies, it ultimately helps them in the long run. >> it's obvious they're the richest country in the e.u., i wish the president had really stuck to the main message and really focused more on nato where there really is an egregious issue there, because germany is certainly not keeping up. even greece on a percentage of gdp is spending far more more defense than germany is -- charles: and the germans say, well, they're spending our money on that, but that's a different point. obviously, it was politicized in europe right away, which we've come to expect, but some people on wall street were extraordinarily worried about a possible trade war. every now and then it seems that dissipates a little bit and then it comes back to life. >> i would say -- [speaking german] charles: that's not tear down this wall, right? >> no, that means germany is not
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bad. people like to obsess about trade deficits. people buy german products in this country because they like german products, and i agree with president trump on most things. i think we differ on free trade. if an american citizen wants to buy something from a german citizen as long as it's not atomic weapons, the government should stand backing and let that happen. secondly, if you buy a german car, a lot of those are made in south carolina, which is not part of germany last i checked. a lot of foreign auto manufacturers have opened up factories in this country, so you're really buying an american-built car, and a lot of the workers there are americans. >> yeah, but clearly some countries are gaming the system. our issues with china are very real, and i think trump goes right to the point of that. in china, for example, you have to partner with their companies, and they take the intellectual property, and then five years later they're saying we don't need you anymore. charles: right. and that's chinese for we just stole all your stuff. [laughter] >> imagined run there.
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charles: yeah, mandarin. thank you both very much are. by the way, a potential programming note for you. larry summers, treasury is secretary under clinton and top adviser to president obama, sits down in an interview with mario bartiromo on "wall street week" tonight. here's a sneak peek. >> it's the least honest and competent bucket that's been put out -- budget that's been put out in 40 years. look, their value judgments about the poor, i don't agree with those value judgments. but they were elected, and they have a right to make their value judgments. there are optimistic economic forecasts, they're further away from the professional consensus than any administration in more than a generation. that doesn't seem like best bet, but they're entitled to their opinion. but they're not entitled to violate the laws of arivet me tick and logic. -- iowa roett my tick and logic. charles: and immediately following, tune into the property man at 8:30 p.m.
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the harvard graduating class of 2017, zuckerberg made numerous suggestions including to keep our society moving forward, we have a generational challenge to not only create new jobs, but create a renewed sense of purpose. he also said but it's not enough to have purpose yourself, you have to create a sense of purpose for others, and, of course, he says we should explore ideas like universal basic income to give everyone a cushion. this way they can try new things. by the way,s this is not a new idea. in fact, it was presented by thomas paine in the rights of man in 1791 where he suggested a citizens' income that would be, quote, universal and unconditional. it would serve as social justice thing against the spread of communism. he, of course, was instrumental in inspiring americans against colonial -- colonists, rather, against the king. he wanted revolution. he also promoted things like free competition, small government, low taxes, property rights. yet he was critical of adam smith and unfeathered
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capitalism. fast forward to fdr, franklin delano roosevelt, in his famous speech that was highlighted by four things that citizens of the world -- not just america, but the world -- should be provided by government. there was freedom of speech p and expression, freedom of everyone to worship god this their own way, freedom from want and freedom from fear. now, it was the freedom from want, for me, that has always stood out, because the key principle for progressive thinking belies the notion that somehow hard times and tough paths actually make people stronger, and ultimately, more successful. it was no surprise zuckerberg mentioned both the new deal and the great society in his speech. it could all be easier, maybe, to usher in the robotic age, because this is what i think they're setting us up for. arthur c. clark once remarked that robots would allow mankind to seek knowledge and unleash a
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new super-universal way of thinking, like we'd all have 200 i.q.s as robots did the work. as we await the new age of enlightenment, we're going to get a report card on how this thing might work out. finland, in fact, just embarking on a two-year trial, it's going to provide 2,000 of its citizens 25-58 with a basic income. now, the idea is said to be the acknowledgment that finns are too attached to welfare benefits. they've got chronic unemployment over 10%, and it actually belies the fact that there are jobs available, but people are just too comfortable with free money. so here's the debate: is this another progressive scheme to make lazy people feel better about themselves? i'm saying making sloths sexy. or is it a smart way to unleash the potential of humanity that would benefit everyone? be tweet me your thoughts, cb payne. switching gears, a touching story out of southern california
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where chapman university has awarded, rather, a surprise honorary degree to the mother of a quadriplegic student who also earned his mba. judy o'connor earned hers for attending every class with her son where she took notes. >> the faculty, the administration and the board of trustees have decided to honor with an honorary mba degree mrs. judith o'connor has attended all the classes with her son, marty, who just received his mba. [cheers and applause] she has taken notes and worked with -- [cheers and applause] worked with marty throughout his academic career. charles: her son marty was left paralyzed when he fell down a flight of steps in 2012. why are murder rates in a city with the strictest gun laws spiraling out of control? we'll tell you why next. ♪ ♪ ♪
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a lot safer. what's going on in chicago? >> first and foremost, it's a very -- the places i grew up, neighborhoods very dangerous. at times you can pick up the phone and call the police, and they don't even show up. as of today, there's been over 235 homicides from january 1st up until today. in illinois alone there's been 180,000 concealed carry permits issued, in cook county which is the largest county in illinois, only 40,000. so that encompasses chicago and a lot of these rough neighborhoods. what has happened, charles, is the fact that the city mayor, rahm emanuel, and corrupt politicians have made it so that people can't afford to get concealed carry because they put these costly regulations so folks who really need the concealed carry permits, we're talking about african-americans in these very dangerous neighborhoods, can't even afford to get 'em. so so that's become a major issue, and i think it's one that we have to overcome in order to get people protected so they can defend themselves and lower this murder rate. charles: lawrence, i think the
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evidence iser repute the foo bl, and yet -- irrefutable, and yet you do have major cities that keep pushing back. >> well, you have them saying that the nra and other organizations are an enemy to our community. the fact of the matter is that black folks in these cities need to be able to defend themselves. you have people with black guns matter who is doing training courses for many people in our communities, you've got the nra that is willing to come into the community and help these citizens get armed, get the necessary training to be able to defend themselves. i think right now we're going to see some of these gentlemen in those communities that's going to shift this narrative so the citizens can protect themselves. charles: do you think we're going to see it? i hope we see it soon. >> i definitely think they are. you've got the nra starting a lot of initiatives within chicago -- charles: right. >> -- to make sure they can fight against people like rahm emanuel. we're going to see a shift soon, brother.
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charles: all right, guys. thank you both very much. , and of course, want to say a special thank you to those members of active duty military who died for us to be here and to have these conversations. happy memorial day to everyone. be safe but enjoy yourself. now here's lou. ♪ ♪ lou: good evening, everyone, i'm trish regan in for lou dobbs. president trump is in italy, the final stop on a wild hi-successful first -- wildly-successful first foreign trip, meeting with g7 leaders who agreed to do more to fight radical terrorism. deep divisions, however, on what to do about climate change. fox news' chief white house correspondent john roberts is traveling with the president, and he has our report. >> reporter: another terror attack today, this one against coptic christians in egypt reinforced what the president has been saying all week, that the world needs to come together to defeat what he calls a war against


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