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elder statesman. gergen got the administration on track an clinton had a very successful period. liz: great to see you. john tray nor, people's wealth management chief information officer. markets start to the downside. here is the closing bell. [closing bell rings] david and melissa pick it up for "after the bell." hi, guys. melissa: the dow closing down 52 points for second straight session. s&p and nasdaq moving in the same direction. snapping a seven-day winning streak i'm melissa francis. david: i'm david asman. glad you could join us for the "after the bell." sean spicer back at podium at the white house. peppered with question on reportof back channels to russia and shake-up in the communications staff. we'll take you live to the white house for the latest.
look at this. tempers flaring as a texas legislative session gets physical. protests and threats emerging over a law banning sanctuary cities in the state. we'll speak with one state lawmaker behind a bill who was a witness to that fight. don't mess with our flag. we'll be speaking with two veterans who are fighting a local ordinance would prohibit them flying the "stars and stripes" in their own homes. why? we'll ask them. melissa: goldman sachs, jpmorgan, exxonmobil among today's biggest drags. go straight to nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange. nicole, markets as a whole seem to sit tight until tomorrow's big jobs report. big stocks closing at brand new record highs. >> that's right. great to see some names that everybody holds in their 401(k)s, ira's. alphabet, microsoft, tesla doing great despite a market that pulled back.
alphabet, 996 getting so close. google alphabet getting close. not only intraday highs but closing at record highs. microsoft at its third record close consecutively. we move on to amazon, the behemoth which soared since the ipo had three stock splits. once again crossing the 1000-dollar mark, making it the second priciest in the s&p 500. you can see closing at 996.70 per share. again this crossed 1000-dollar mark. so that certainly was a g winn. we're also watching tesla as we. i left that one out earlier. that too was a winner. overall energy and financials came under pressure. always fun to see some tech-related names. some of those favorite investments looking great. back to you. melissa: absolutely, nicole, thank you. david: in fact my cameraman has shares of amazon himself. we are jealous. but he will take us all out to a
steak dinner. melissa: perfect. david: oil still under 50 bucks, off 14 cents, to close at 49.66 a barrel. gold falling as well snapping a two-day winning streak. settling down six bucks an ounce to about 1262. melissa. melissa: we were talking about h amazon beating alphabet to the $1000 punch. let's bring in today's panel. liz peek, james freeman from "the wall street journal." he is also a fox news contributor. and john tamny from "real clear politics." thanks for joining us. liz, start with you. what do you think of the amazon number and tech stocks? >> it is all about expected growth. amazon is selling at incredibly high multiple of this year's earnings. almost 149 times this years earnings, but analysts expect the growth and earnings will be 27%. i challenge you to find many companies where there is consensus looking for that high a growth rate.
by the way that is considerably higher than google. i think the reason is amazon has still many markets that they don't work in, that they're not involved in like fashion and other things. it seems like this company can do almost anything. that is being when you have to become a little concerned perhaps it's a little ahead of itself. melissa: james are you concerned it is ahead of itself? >> i'm optimistic about the united states. look at tech valuations, alphabet, google's parent, relatively cheap 34 times earnings which is relatively expensive in a normal market. i guess if i'm looking at these two companies, looks like google, alphabet has more defensible barriers against competitors. melissa: john, when you look at the broader market, it has to do with what people think or investors especially think is going to happen to the economy going forward. that is tied into politics. how much do you think trump is playing in all of this in his presidency? >> i think there is a couple
things going on. trump does have majorities and if in fact he leads with tax cuts that could obviously boost the economy. i think another thing that is potentially at work is that he is not viewed as a traditional politician. what i mean by that, he may not be able to get as much done in a broad sense after taxes and markets historically really enjoyed gridlock. that makes them optimistic. the also washington does you're removing a huge barrier to upward stock market growth simply because when washington acts a lot, markets don't like it. david: john was just talking about taxes. let's talk about the timeline for tax reform. president trump tweeting, quote, the massive tax cuts, the reform that i have submitted is moving along in the process very well, actually ahead of schedule, big benefits to all. the president is putting pressure on congress adding quothe u.s. senate should switch to 51 votes immediately, get health care and tax cuts
approved fast and easy. dems would do it no doubt, according to "the wall street journal," the republicans proposed tax changes are no match for the status quo swamp. john, a lot of those against the status quo are against tax cuts are republicans. why are republicans against tax cuts? >> i have no idea why. what republicans house and senate want is not necessarily what donald trump wants. my guess is republicans will ultimately fall in line on this one. what was robert novak used to say. if republicans were put on this earth to cut taxes that is really all they're good at doing. let's reduce the price on, placed on works, on investment. if so, markets will respond. david: so far they're not very good at doing one thing they can do according to novak. james, what about the idea of changing the rules in the senate? mitch mcconnell has said he won't do it but donald trump is going to push him to do it so that 51 votes is all that would
be needed to get the tax cuts. who is going to win in that battle? >> you don't need to change senate rules. go with the 51-vote strategy. do 30-year budget wind you dough which might as well be permanent. you can get a big tax cut for 30 years. that gives everybody enough confidence to invest and react to lower rates. so it is right there in front of them. they have to stop talking in congress about trump and russia. just pass the tax cuts. david: i agree, liz, but what do you think? what is the feasibility of getting a tax cut? >> i think it's a must-do event. look, whatever it takes to get there they have got to get there. the problem is they have to come up with revenues. everybody wants to cut corporate taxes. i think most of the congress would like to cut individual taxes but they have to replace them if indeed they do this permanently which is what they want to do. but james quite right, they can change the goalpost and all kinds of shenanigans. if they head into 2018 election
cycle with no indication of tax cuts on the table they're in trouble. melissa: absolutely. the president back from the ip abroad and feels no better about germany, tweeting, quote we have a massive trade deficit with germany. plus they pay far less than they should on nato and military, very bad for the u.s. this will change. james, he makes this comment. then she says, oh, we'll have to rely on ourselves or something like that. then you read all the articles they say this is sending shockwaves through washington, back and forth between them. james, there is absolutely nothing new about this. why is this sending shockwaves that he feels like germany isn't pulling their weight? >> well, she has got an election she is trying to win in germany this fall. so i think a lot of her message is about. as far as donald trump, i think he is a little confused on the trade deficit argument but i think he is right on target. there is no reason that germany, the most powerful economy in europe, shouldn't pay a reasonable amount for its own defense. melissa: yeah, absolutely.
liz, what do you think? >> i think he is not totally wrong on trade. germany has a huge trade surplus. it is 1 1/2 times the trade surplus with the world that china has. china's economy is three times big. the reason they have a cheap your roy. the reason they have a cheap euro, because so much of the eu is under fiscal pressure. trump is not totally wrong. the problem there is no easy fix and something germany is not at all to eager to address. look, angela merkel is running for re-election as james said. she is under the gun for all the refugees. manchester happened when he was abroad. that puts more pressure on merck kel. creating a straw man in president trump is beneficial to angela merkel right now. it brings the country together. it is us versus him. that is very convenient for her. david: climate change is another one of those issues they're looking for a straw man. president trump is reportedly whether to announce he will pull out of the so-called paris accord on climate change.
john tamney hoping he will announce our exit from the accord. he wrote a terrific piece about this in real clear markets. you can look at it online. why, john, why should we withdraw from it? >> we should withdraw from it because it is economy-sapping concept where we allow the glal treatto reduce normal market operationof the marketplace. the other thing, why on earth would trump enter into any treaty by europeans or pressure on them. if you look at nato, they have not lived up to the pledges to fund nato. the u.s. basically funded that, the majority of that to its economic detriment. look at trades europeans enter among themselves. they have not abided that. why would trump give the u.s. credibility to a treaty that is anathema to our economic progress? i don't get it. melissa: so logical. david: john, you make a statement which is pretty profound, in fact what the paris
accord does is it assumes that economic progress and climate change are at loggerheads. that is, you can't have economic progress without hurting the environment. so which you say what? >> well that's absurd. let's remember that oil is of the earth. coal is of the earth. so i don't see how consumption of that which comes from the earth could actually weaken it or threaten the planet. furthermore, if you look at economic progress what it historically meant around the world, more countries progress economically the less damage they do to the environment. david: that is. >> people -- david: there is the wealth curve. first there is more damage to the environment. then they have enough disposable wealth to work on helping environment. that is when it comes down a lot. >> yes, as wealth grows people have time to care about the environment. david: right. >> there are tons of he sierra club chapters in the united states. defy anyone one on this panel find one in bangladesh.
they don't exist where there is poverty. they have to have wealth first. melissa: great point. david: john, we'll see you in a couple days. melissa. melissa: pointing to overall stronger economy, we're more credit worthy. the average credit score in the u.s. is highest level in decade. it is now 700. that is often cut off point who get as car loan or mortgage and who doesn't. what could be related note, consumer spending is up. household purchases from everything to groceries to medical care on the rise in april, .4 of a percent. that is the fastest pace since december. david: and a significant threat, the department of homeland security considering tough new rules on what you can and can not bring on a plane. it could affect thousands of flights every day. melissa: west coast defense, the first time, the first-ever intercontinental ballistic missile test happening this afternoon to help combat new threats from the likes of north korea.
we are live at the california test site. the president back from his whirlwind trip abroad to face fresh new controversies on reports of attempts at russian back channels to a shake-up in his own staff. how the white house responds to all of this coming next. >> the very first time i was ever asked about somebody being pushed out of the white house was january 23rd, we had been here for three whole days. in terms of quote, staff shake-up i always read things that simply aren't true. there's nothing traditional about my small business so when it comes to technology, i need someone that understands myniquneeds. my dell small siness advisor has gotten to know our business so well that is feels like he's a part of our team. with one phone call, he sets me up with tailored products and services. and when my advisor is focused on my tech, i can focus on my small business. ♪
and resignation of white house communications director mike dub key. blake burman. was i right hearing booing when he left pretty quickly? reporter: it was loud too, david. i'm not sure how it played out on television. as he left there was most certainly booing. this was the first briefing in a couple weeks for spicer. some folks were unhappy way it ended. i would submit to you this is the white house. this is their property. these are their briefings and you know, they can run these however they want. but clearly some were not happy with the length of this and how this went. either way, there was a bit of news that came from it. we now know that the fbi director search appears to be narrowing. spicer telling me earlier this afternoon the president is interviewing two candidates on this day. one name you might remember. another one you have to crank up the google machine. john miss tolle is interviewing john pistol.
and chris wray, a litigator at private firm. once worked for the department of justice. he worked on the enron case. spicer making very clear at the press briefing this is a decision fully in the president's hand. >> when the president feels as though he met with the right candidate he will let us know. meets with candidates today, and will continue to do until he finds the right leader. >> are they the two finalists at this point. >> huh? >> are they the two finalists? >> the president is the ultimate dismaker. when he makes the decision who is best toead the fbi he will let us know. reporter: here the white house communications staff is having a bit of turnover, as director mike dubke turned in his resignation. he said about the reports of bigger shake-up are so-called fake news. take a look here, david, you mentioned the booing. this is how the briefing ended.
>> the reason the president is frustrated there is perpetuation of false narrative, unnamed sources over and over again things that are happening don't ultimately happening. that is troubling. thank you, guys, very much. reporter: thank you, guys, very much. spicer exited to go back to his office and probably, i don't know, 10, 15, 20 seconds, booing from folks not to happy at length of this thing, ending about questions about fake news what it may or may not be. david: i never heard that before. been covering these things a long time. blake burman, thank you very much. melissa. melissa: bring in gop fund-raiser noelle nikpour, i was anchoring whether he left the podium. i was not surprised it was over. he does it usually a certain length, 30 minutes. that is what it was. you can tell the way i thought he wrapped up it wasn't a big surprise. i don't know what everybody is complaining about. what is your take? >> melissa, you're right on.
he did his job. he answered questions. he picked up on different people from the audience forbes the press to answer the questions. i thought he did a fine job. i'm not understanding why the boos? look, they don't really like him. they doesn't really care for spicer. spicer had a difficult relationship with the press as well but you have to look what spicer is doing. this is the hardest job in the world. he is having to tout the message of president trump and sometimes president trump as you know will have one message and then he will tweet out something that even contradicts his message. you have got spicer having to balance all this. it's a very tough job. he will never please the press. now he knows that. so i thought the press conference was fine. melissa: maybe them booing means he won? maybe they're disappointed how it went, i don't know. that could be a very high compliment to him. maybe the way out they're high-fiving, obviouslyhey didn't get what they wanted, they're booing.
it is obviously a very contentious relationship. they come at him out of the gate, as i said, sitting there covering, first question was when did you stop beating your wife question. did the president know that jared kushner had this back channel relationship? when did he find out that he had it? wait, wait. hang on. we haven't even established this is going on. he keeps his cool. but at same time a lot of people suggested maybe more of a smile and more humor would take some of the bite out of their bark, what you do you think? >> well, you know, melissa, maybe so, but you have to realize, they're spinning anything he says. not really funny anymore. it is not really fun of the you don't have a sense of humor when you have a press conference and you wake up and headlines are distorting what you said. so i think he he is frankly fed up with them. you're right. these press conferences have almost become like a deposition. melissa: yeah. >> they're going to ask the same question in a different way like
lawyers do in a deposition, to try to get you to say what they want you to say. melissa: yeah. >> it's a very tough deal. it should be questions so they can find out information, not "gotcha" questions so they can frame him for a headline. melissa: my advice would be to walk out there with giant tray of cookies that smell like chocolate chip cookies, eat them as, impossible to be that hostile with a cookie. just a thought, noelle. thank you. >> and warm milk. melissa: there you go, thank you. david: you're a cookie fanatic. melissa: i always said that my husband "60 minutes," give them food. they're totally distracted, that never happens, right exactly. whatever. take it for what it is worth. david: ariana grande is heading back to manchester. hear you how the singer is planning to honor victims of that horrible bombing last week. plus a new texas law is literally causing a brawl here. why lawmakers in the state had
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david: battle over sanctuary cities sparks a scuffle inside of the texas legislature as protesters flooded outside of the tax cast capitol building on a new law to crack down on sanctuary cities, lawmakers themselves became rowdy, pushing and shoving on the house floor. the state law goes into effect september first, allows the state to fine cities and counties up to 2500 bucks a day as acting as sanctuaries.
cosponsor of the bill, texas state representative james white. as i have it, representative you were there on the floor when it happened. what did happen? >> well, thanks for having me on. thanks for being here. >> i'm proud to represent five great counties in southeast texas. we saw a physical struggle on the floor. there was a little confusion on the floor, sir. david: i'm told, at least one of the accounts that there was a death threat, that true? >> i don't know if that is true or not. i just think this is such an fortunate situation. honestly i would have like to ve seen the same fighting spirit not necessarily a physical fight, same fighting spirit on second amendment, protecting rights of pre-born, or even, you know, fighting that burdensome property taxes we have here in texas. david: a lot of people do say they should spend their energy on something else more constructive, but there was one
representative, pancho navares, was a man who allegedly made a threat. i wonder, is he going to be investigated? >> obviously any type of threat against someone, that is an investigation that really involves either the house government and ethics reform committee or maybe even law enforcement. i didn't hear of such threat. obviously my colleagues stated a threat was lodged against him. that is something for law enforcement to deal with. david: how is this affecting if at all public opinion in texas about the sanctuary law? >> i don't think it should affect opinion in any way. this is a fact here. sb 4 is a a piece of legislation gives direction to law enforcement agencies, not necessarily individual citizens or even members of the texas house.
have opinions changed at all? there is a lot of snap polling about the particular law. the last i heard a plurality of people in favor of it but that number was shrinking a little bit. is that right? >> well, we have to look at it this way. senate bill 4 is a anti-sanctuary cities piece of legislation. it directs law enforcement to respond to immigrations customs and enforcement that is i.c.e. detainers. that is all it does. it is just good law enforcement legislation. even the opponents have admitted that until we passed this legislation, or at least currently, about 9, 97 of those i.c.e. detain remembers being responded to by local law enforcement here in texas. so i don't see it as a i don't see the incident on the house floor having impact on any piece of legislation. david: i hope things calm down a little bit.
there are important issues to be dealt with on the legislative floor. james white, thank very much for being here. i appreciate you coming. >> thanks very much for having me on, pleasure sir. david: melissa. melissa: wow, it is really interesting story. like he said as tempers flare around the courthouse, get them fired up about real work? david: this is an important issue but the funny thing it hasn't seemed to change -- texas is one of those states kind of like some other areas of the country which is really polarized. people are very strongly on one side and very strongly on the other side. fewer and fewer people in the middle. that is one of the problems. melissa: no, you're so right. preparing for defense. the first time ever the u.s. testing a defense system in response to a potential north korean threat. we're going to take you live to the test site. that's next. david: plus our nation's heroes fighting for the flag. we'll talk to two gegia veterans who say their u.s. flag
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this is the more important part, a consent cease and desist order against deutsche bank's u.s. operations. this for failure to comply with the bank's secrecy act and anti-money laundering laws. the bank has been ordered to improve oversight for senior management and compliance controls. very interesting. so far not affecting the stock too much of a hours. melissa. melissa: hitting a bullet with a bullet. just moments ago the u.s. military testing a missile defense system for the first time to shoot down an intercontinental ballistic missile similar to what north korea is developing. fox news's jonathan hunt is live at vandenberg air force base in california with the latest on this one. jonathan, we're getting word on the results, is that right? reporter: yeah, melissa, breaking news right now in the last couple minutes, the missile defense agency announced this test was a success. the ground-based interceptor missile was launched here at
3:29:00 eastern time and minutes later it hit that intercontinental ballistic missile. now remember the icbm was designed to be, to, act in a similar way to those it believed north korea hians was fired. it was fired from the marshall islands in the pacific. then the intercept irwithin minutes was launched from van -- ndenberg air force base. the mda announcing it successfully hit the icbm in space over the pacific ocean. when they talk about a bullet hitting a bullet. that icbm was traveling at something like at 16,000 miles an hour as the interceptor it. as the director of the missile agency told us in exclusive interview it noise easy task. listen here.
>> it is very difficult, talking about intercepting in space hundreds of miles in altitude with closing velocities of thousands of miles-an-hour. it is a bullet with a bullet. reporter: the test was made even more urgent because of constant testing we've seen in the past few months of missiles by the north koreans. most experts say they have north korea is within a few short years being able to target the u.s. mainland with a nuclear-tipped warhead. the u.s. currently has 76 of these interceptor missiles, the majority of them based at fort greeley in alaska. we to the exclusive access to fort greeley ahead of the test. we met the team on stand-by 24/7 simulating these kind of tests, that constant simulation, constant alertness, makes the commander of the 49th
missile defense confident his men can defend the u.s. homeland. listen to colonel brower. >> we are very confident in the ground-based interceptors and technology we have. again if we're talking about a nuclear warhead headed to l.a., we want to make sure we get it. reporter: once again, the breaking news right now, melissa, is that the missile defense agency says it did indeed successfully intercept and destroy that incoming icbm. melissa? melissa: jonathan, i have only a second, what was it like on the ground when they launched interis missile? were you nearby? what is it like? reporter: it's a spectacular sight to see one of those things go up. it is loud and beautiful sight but it was deadly serious business, and the mda will be very relieved it was a success. melissa: absolutely. thank you for that, david? david: development and testing of a long-range ground-based interceptor missile couldn't come at better time but will it really defang our enemies?
we have peter brookes, senior fellow for national security affairs. >> great news, absolutely. we should be very pleased with that not only does it show that our technology is capable, but it also sends a very strong signal to north korea and others. david: does it show too much our technical abilities? >> no, not at this point. they know we have missile defenses. remember we put the thad system in south korea. we don't long-range as much as shorter range. so it was good news. david: it was fortuitous. this test was planned for a couple of years. the nice cncidence oit happening ju aer another north korean test is something. i'm wondering is this something we could apply now? say within the next few months north korea comes up with a way
to mount a missile with a nuke, would we be able to deploy this weapon or counterweapon in time. >> it is deployed. as your correspondent noted. we have systems in alaska. we have systems in california. we have systems aboard aegis class ships in the pacific. we have the thaad system in south korea. it was meant for limited arsenal. north korea's arsenal gets quite big we'll be more challenged. we have limited ability to intercept these. these wouldn't work against a large-sail russian attack. against north korea and iran in the north term i think we're in good shape. david: peter i'm old enough to remember that ronald reagan suggested something such as "star wars." put a protective cover over the united states with weapons or counter weapons such as these. we're still a ways from that, are we not? >> there is very big debate out there whether to militarize space, that would put weapons into space.
the best missile defense is in space because of geography. think about the curvature of the earth. with a satellite you have better view from the incoming missile than from the earth's surface. that something is we need to think about, terrific news on the success of the test. peter brookes, thank you very much. melissa. melissa: the head of homeland security considering an expansion of security measures that will affect hundreds of thousands of travelers each day. >> are you going to ban laptops from the cabin on all international flights both into and out of the u.s.? >> i might. it's a real sophisticated threat. and i'm, i reserve that decision until we see where it is going. melissa: there is currently a ban limited to just u.s.-bound flights from these 10 nations in africa and the middle east. david: okay. asleep at the wheel. that is one explanation. just when he was about to stage
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melissa: tiger woods is back in the rough and trying to save face, arrested for driving under the influence of prescription drugs at 3:00 a.m. on monday morning. in a state described by police as unable to walk alone and sending the legendary golfer into crisis management mode, who better to react to a crisis than bruce turkel, turkel brands ceo. you are always the guy i call in a crisis, this is certainly one. brnng, bruce, this is tiger woods, what do i do? this is new details. a report coming out of "tmz," they say from the police report saying his car was a wreck when they found him. two flat tires, broken taillight, mangled bumpers.
both rims on drivers side vehicle were damaged. both tires on the driver's side was flat. he said he thought he was in los angeles driving towards orange county. he was not of course. what do you do? >> it is early in the morning, wipe sleep out of my as, i tell him, when you're explaining you're losing. do four things, you confess. none of this nonsense about pharmaceutical drugs or anything else. you confess. you ologize. you get help. you prove it. you improve it, and you help others. americans love, love, a resurrects story. we don't like to be lied to. melissa: one of big problems this is obviously a very troubling incident. he has been on downward slide for a long time. look when he got into the epic fight with his ex-wife at thanksgiving, that was also a car wreck that brought police around at the beginning. he also had been taking ambien
and i believe i read reports he also at the time was taking some sort of different pain medicines. seems like this is continuing trend. what has been brand about about, since that period? it has been years. what has it been about? >> it has been years. you hear about can he come back. he earned $45 million? sponsorship last year. plus he is designing golf courses in asia. his brand is successful. as one of the top golfers of all time, still young, still hornsome, although not in the photograph. still charismatic and somebody we care about. remember. it is always a shame to waste a good crisis. so we have the good opportunity to be like the phoenix, to create something out of this disaster if he plays his cards right, no pun intended. melissa: what does his brand stand for? everybody knows he is not the golfer was before. is it about being cool or
swagger in if you define what his brand has been, what do you think? >> he is epic, icon of golf. he turned golf from what we saw as sub bausch ban turn suburban sport he made it athletic and changed the view of it and turned it into something exciting and dynamic and modern, of the moment. melissa: yeah. >> he also played better than anybody else. so he also backed it up with his swings. melissa: bruce, you are fantastic. you always put things into perspective just like that. when i have a disaster i call you immediately? >> i hope you don't but you're welcome to call. melissa: love you bruce, thank you. >> love you too. david: overseas, ariana grande is returning to manchester. she is holding a befit concert to raise money for victims last week's terror attack of the pop star will be joined by other big names, coldplay, katy perry, miley cyrus on concert on sunday. proceeds from the show go to emergency fund set by the city
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david: they fought for our freedom. now they're fighting to fly the american flag. veterans in georgia neighborhood are outraged after the homeowners association told them they can only fly the flag outside of their homes for 23 days of the year. two veterans who say they are not backing down. pete rocket, air force veteran and tom wilder, navy veteran. thank you for being here. pete, first to you. i know why you want to fly the flag every day of the year. i certainly would like to do the same but why do you think they, the homeowners association is against that? >> that is a difficult question to answer, and i'd like to clarify right now that the homeowners association is in the control of the developer. we are an unfinished subdivision. he has sole control of the homeowners association. this is not elected homeowners who have said we can't do it. it is one man. david: now, tom, do you have have any understanding or into the mind process about this?
why are they against allowing to you fly the flag every day? >> well, first of all, it's a he, and not a they. why he is doing it, i have no idea. it is certainly doesn't make any business sense. he still has 100 lots to sell in this subdivision of 250 lots. and he is not making it any easier to sell it. david: by the way, before we to any further, who is the he? what is his name? >> i would prefer not to name him. i will tell you that the, that the developer company is david pierson communities. david: okay. and there is a law, a federal law, and tom, i will go to you for this, says you should be allowed to fly the flag, but they say the following. these guidelines help maintain, talking about the community's guidelines, help maintain the aesthetic theme of the community. do you know what that means,
tom? aesthetic -- i don't understand what an aesthetic theme is? >> well, you know neither do i. i want to know why one individual can determine what is aesthetically pleasing and what isn't? i mean we've got 100 lots out there ass needs to be cut re frequently than it is. that to me is not aesthetically pleang. david: pete, i can understand if they were against leaving your garbage out too long or leaving your lawn unmode, how in the hell an american flag hanging outside of your front door negatively affect the aesthetics of the community? >> that is exactly right. the whole thing make no, sir sense. we were originally allowed to fly the flag. then we would given a violation for flying the flag. then we were told you could not fly the flag at all.
then he said he would give us 23 days to fly the flag. either the flag is ugly every day of the year or not ugly at all. 23 days makes no sense. david: this is on the cusp of memorial days weekend? did that penetrate these guys, did you appeal to the patriotism because of that? >> no. it doesn't seem to bother him. he will not talk to the print or electronic media. and, you know, i'm still mad as heck and i'm not going to take it anymore. david: well, i wouldn't go against you guys, you are tough. pete and tom, thank you very much. let us know what happens, all right. melissa: we have to follow that. >> thank you very much. >> getting ready to hit the road but i hope you're not just relying on your gps. it might take you a little longer to get home. ♪ for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. liberty mutual insurance.
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