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opportunity. down 70%. down 40% in the past year. buy twitter. closing bell rings] liz: going out on him to buy twitter. dow jones out on a limb raising to record highs. looking to close up some 140 points at 21,523. david and melissa over to you. david: another record on wall street. the dow closing at new all-time high for second day in a row and second time this year. s&p 500 ending for the new high for 24th time this year but who's counting. i'm david asman. melissa: i'm melissa francis. this is "after the bell." more on today's records. first here is what else we're covering during this very busy hour. biggest name in tech including tim cook, jeff bezos, eric schmidt all meeting at white house now. soon the president will join them for first of its kind tech summit. why they're there, what they're hoping to accomplish.
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new role for press secretary sean spicer. we have breaking details on this one. president trump's legal team is out in force with his lawyers stressing that the president is not being investigated. this, as the special counsel expands its ranks. what all of that means. among our guests this hour, alan dershowitz, mike baker, morgan wright, dan henninger. david: with those guys you know it all. the dow surging into the close. ending up 142 points. this is record high. go straight to nicole petallides on floor of new york stock exchange. this never ends, does it, nicole? >> david and melissa, some traders are saying make dow 22,000 hats? one has a dow 30,000 hat ready to go. there is certainly a lot of optimism. this is the first time we cross 21,500. new high for the dow and s&p 500 and tech stocks bounce back. break it down.
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driving stocks to all-time high. apple, tech stocks, despite cautionary notes from analysts next couple weeks the tone is still the iphone in the fall is going to be a win. you see apple closing 146.34. that is up over 2%. nike a winner and kept a close eye on the done deal of amazon and whole foods even though they surged on friday. new highs for amazon and whole foods. surged 30% almost on friday for whole foods on that deal that amazon was buying whole foods. 27% premium. gaining, giving it back today. that is pretty amazing. yahoo!, trades on its own, spin-off of alibaba. this is the new yahoo! that on very first day of trading. up arrows. david: amazon almost back up above 1000. not quite but maybe tomorrow. thanks very much, nicole. melissa.
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melissa: oil sliding to end down more than 1% at $44.20 a barrel. its close is the lowest since november 14th. crude is now down close to 18% for the year. david: well, it is a tech titan turn around. tech stocks making a huge come back after dragging on markets last week. as major tech ceos are currently ready to meet with president trump, sieve -- steve cortes, liz peek, "the financial times" this might be a coincidence tech turns around in a big way. all the tech titans are at the white house. that sweetens any deal they come up with. >> for sure. i think a lot of things are boosting the it being stocks. this is opportune time for people with cash to get in those names but look, the amazon
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purchase of whole foods kind of reminds us, a, there is tons of money around at favorable circumstance for these tech names. these are so huge these companies now, they have so much money they want to buy things. this administration probably is not going to stand in the way of that. i think people are assessing in the case of amazon, wow, a whole new industry for them they have really no traction in. looks pretty good. david: steve, liz brought up a great point. the trump administration will not stand in their way. a lot that the obama administration, we talked about this before, stood in the way of their expansion, whether just plain businesses particularly with tech, whole net neutrality thing. you think they are warming up a little to trump now, particularly on a day like today. >> david i would think they have to, don't they? given in silicon valley how good trump has been for their businesses. this is the reality. forget about the maudlin main strewn people-yard is saying and dithering democrats, when we're
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work looking at working america the optimism is pervasive. whether ceos or regular mom and pops feeling better about their future there. is it optimism pervasive, it is palpable, it is real. that individual usous cycle can feed on itself. david: we bring you here for your alliterations, steve that is the only reason. melissa: democrats preparing to bring the chamber to a halt in an effort to protest the gop health care bill. fox business's gerri willis with latest on this gerri? >> that's right, melissa. with a self-imposed july 4th deadline the senate under the gun big time to get a health reform bill written quickly. democrats are plotting way to slow down the senate action to protest what they say is a closed-door process. according to a senior democratic aide, tonight senate democrats will slow the process by debating health care late into the evening in a series of speeches.
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they will object to all unanimous consent requests, and attempt to force a health care bill to a house committee. meanwhile, republican sources on catol hill today expressing confidence that their bill will be put forward next week. the 13 senators crafting the bill are already working with the congressional budget office to device a plan that can meet strict requirements of reconciliation, which means, it can't bust the budget. as a result, not likely not all of the 21 taxes imposed by obamacare will be removed. most likely to say, 0.9% medicare payroll tax, and 3.8% surtax on investment income, both imposed of course on wealthy taxpayers. other taxes though like the tax on medical equipment-makers and tax on health care insurers, likely to be jettisoned by the republicans. also watch for the medicaid expansion phased out more slowly than the steep clip proposed by house republicans. melissa, even if senate
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republicans are successful to get the bill out for a vote, they face an uphill battle getting it passed. gop's majority in the house razor thin at 52-48. melissa. melissa: wow, that is a lot. thanks for all the information. go pack to liz and steve and get their take on it. steve, how do the republicans press forward success fully here. >> by the way optimistic i am, as most americans are the biggest obstacle the biggest potential hurdle failure on capitol hill to get this done, to get health care and tax cuts done and get it done soon. i think it is going to happen but i would say this, if it does not happen, if the congress dares to go on vacation and take off the entire month of august which i don't do, i don't think you do, not many americans do, if they dare to do that, they haven't passed health care and tax cuts, they deserve to lose in 2018. melissa: liz, what is your take? >> i totally agree with steve. i've been advocating for weeks that senate not go into recess in august. in fact i would prefer they
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didn't take the july recess either. i think it is totally upon them to get something done. look, the democrats gameplan is to stall the trump agenda. they don't like it. they don't want him to win, they know if he wins, 2018 is in the bag for gop. melissa: do your homework. can't have your fun. forget it. david: still working on a timeline for tax cuts, house speaker paul ryan, will give quote, major tax reform speech at our nation's capitol. but, steve, i'm more concerned about a brand new tax, the border tax. why are they still wedded to this idea? >> david, you've got me. get rid of this. this is terrible idea. the american consumer, by the way doesn't matter much to wealthy people, really doesn't, but to middle class people already suffering by the way the people who elected donald trump because of their economic anxiety, a border tax is almost a direct regressive tax on them and on their spending power. this idea has to go. i hope and believe it is going to go. we'll get more clarification on
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this tomorrow. david: liz, i owe you one. we have breaking news. we have to move on. steve, liz, thank you very much. melissa. melissa: breaking news, fox news just learning that sean spicer's role at the white house is about to change. let's go to john roberts in the briefing room with the details. john. >> good afternoon to you, melissa. this is in the works a long time. this started in ernest after james comey was fired by the president and president was unhappy with the message, communations shop,hey weren't given of time to be fair with them. talking with theresint out on the foreign trip. resulted in resignation of mike duffy who was his communications director. what they're basically doing is changing the entire structure of the communications shop here at white house. what you have got, a communications director and that job really is now because mike dubke's departure over seen by sean spicer. you have the press secretary's department. both of them had a flow chart from that. what they're looking to doing
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now, taking sean spicer in overseeing position he will be in charge of all white house communications. likely not retain the title of white house press secretary. that will go to someone else. but he will be probably more deputy chief of staff level. will oversee the press office and communications office. it is not a surprise. we've heard that something like this was in the works for a long time. it is likely we'll see sarah huckabee sanders at pod yum behind me more often than that. spicer working behind the scenes. that is, melissa, his strength n number of years he spent with the rnc and on capitol hill before that he was never out there in the public eye as he has been here with press secretary. he really has been more after behind the scenes strategy guy. so even though the president would still like to see him at podium time to time, spicer's preference is to work more behind behind the scenes on overall communications strategy. we don't have a date certain when all this will happen. it will be more likely a slow evolution over past couple weeks.
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something that has been going on in the works for a long time. i imagine we'll see them roll that out next three or four weeks. melissa. melissa: makes sense what we've seen. thanks, john for the reporting. reporter: thanks, melissa. >> the senate is meeting this afternoon, considering president's nominee for fema administrator, brock long. he once served as director of alabama's emergency management agency. melissa: local race with big-time national implications. we're less than 24 hours away from the special election in georgia's 6th district. it looks like it will come down to the wire. why this matters. david: also, russia issuing a warning to the united states, quote, we're going to shoot you down. what led to this declaration and where it goes from here. melissa: another terror attack in london. former cia officer mike baker tells us what needs to be done to end a string of horrific attacks across the pond.
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melissa: one dead, at least 10 people injured after a van drove into a crowd outside of a mosque in london. the city's metropolitan police commissioner saying that the incident was quote, quite clearly an attack on muslims. a 48-year-old man was arrested at the scene on suspicion of murder. british prime minister theresa may had this to say in response to the attack. >> we will establish a new commission for countering extremism, as statutory body to
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help fight hatred and extremism the same way we thought extremism this extreme system every bit as insidious to our values and our way of life and we will stop at nothing to defeat it. melissa: former cia operative mike baker joins us with her take. what did you think of her response? a commission. >> you know, fine. you had to come out forcefully. others in the british authorities have said the same thing. you have to do that, immediately come out and say it. in earlier times we would have called this a hate crime. melissa: right. >> that is what it is. now, we call it a terrorist attack, that's fine. i think there is some sense if you don't call it a terrorist attack somehow you're minimizing it. by know means do you want to do that. melissa: right. >> we'll find out more about the driver, the perpetrator they arrested and started to identify but clearly motivated by hate. melissa: to me it's a symptom of the fact that london feels so out of control he right now.
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it feels like no one's safe, no one's in charge. just it has that sort of feel to it, and not, i mean obviously this is a horrible response but it is more in the cycle of things at that rut of control. >> right. look, they really are kind of taking it on the chin right now but, i'm a dual u.s.-uk citizen. spent a long, long time over there. they're incredibly resilient, right? sometimes people say they're under siege. no they're not under siege. they will get through this much like the eu, just like we are. the problem we have to understand, this is a long haul battle and this this individual who committed this attack drying up to the finsbury mosque as they were letting out after service that place into hands of jihadist. melissa: right. >> that is not helpful in terms of trying to resolve the overall war on terror. melissa: absolutely. like look how they feel about you. this is happening way more frequently all of a sudden, we're seeing all kinds of violence.
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what is going on? especially so much is in london, it seems like that. >> it happens in spurts. people say it comes in threes. it is building up, lends a sense of out of control or chaotic, or what do we do. the unsatisfactory answer is, that the services, whether we're talking about mi5 and med, counterterrorism command in uk or here with the fbi and state and local, they're doing everything possible. they're working on many different levels. so they're trying to identify and target overseas and in places like iraq or pakistan or wherever and take out terrorists. we're also working in the muslim-american community. so we're there in the muslim communities in the uk trying to establish a closer little of communications. melissa: but it seems like it is getting worse? >> you know what? i wish, i wish i had an answer to that. perhaps it will get worse before it gets better.
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we'll get ahead of the curve but we'll never solve that in our lifetimes. that sounds cynical. this has been going on a long time. i could tell you stories from the '80s and battling muslim, freakists. you remember the beirut barracks bombings, khobar towers, you go on and on. this is not something new. we think of it in the moment that it is new. this is long haul effort. i guess what i'm saying is, there is no quick fix. melissa: right. >> also the good news if the is any good news the services, whether here or over across the pond they know what they have to do and working hard. resources are stretched thin. melissa: mike baker, thank you. appreciate your time as always. >> not very cheery, i know. melissa: david. david: here is more bad news london has to deal with. the death toll is still climbing from last week's massive fire at a london high-rise. 79 people are confirmed dead or missing. officials are trying to determine if the building's managers did anything criminal because residents say they have been complaining that the building was a fire trap for
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years. there are now reports paneling used in a recent renovation may have been banned under uk building regs and could have contributed to how fast that fire spread. melissa? melissa: wow. the strategy in afghanistan. president trump sending more u.s. troops to the region. what the latest strategy could mean for the u.s. that's coming up. plus not backing down. why president trump's attorney says the president did not violate the law. we're going to talk to harvard law professor alan dershowitz. that's next. >> there is no notification of any investigation. nothing has changed since james comey said the president was not a target of an investigation. nothing's changed. looking from a fresh perspective can make all the difference. it can provide what we call an unlock: a realization that often reveals a better path forward. at wells fargo, it's our expertise in finding this kind of insight that has lead us to become one of the largest
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investigate the president. catherine herridge, fox news chief intelligence correspondent is live in d.c. with the latest. catherine. reporter: thank you, melissa, a legal source familiar with the matter tells fox news that the special counsel's office is tell pulling together the team and defining the scope of the investigation and no final decision has been made on the firing of fbi director james comey and whether it is worthy of further investigation. on "fox & friends" this morning presidential advisor kellyanne conway says the russian probe is short on result. >> we're starting to waste tens of millions of dollars of taxpayer money on this endeavor. if there is something, let's hear about it. the president said let the investigation going forward. so what are he talking about here when the president is trying to move on with the policies and solutions for the day. reporter: democrats, including the ranking member of the house intelligence committee says sunday he still believes there is evidence of collusion and the members of the trump team. >> but i'm not prepared to say that there is proof you could
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take to a jury but i can say that there is enough that we ought to be investigating. indeed it would be negligent for us not to investigate. reporter: there is new pressure today on the former attorney general loretta lynch to publicly testify after the fired fbi director james comey said, lynch, his old boss, instructed him to use language that seemed to minimize the criminal investigation into hillary clinton's alleged mishandling of classified information. here is that key section from june 8th. >> at one point the attorney general had directed me not to call it an investigation but instead to call it a matter, which confused me and concerned me but that was one of the bricks in the load that led me to conclude that i have to step away from the department if we're to close this case credibly. reporter: the powerful republican chairman of the senate judiciary committee has now written to ranking democrat dianne feinstein they investigate any attempts to influence the fbi investigations under president obama and president trump.
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while no action has been taken, spokesman for senator grassley, it is highly likely they will need to hear from lynch at some point in the near future. melissa: great reporting katherine. reporter: you're welcome. david: doubling down on defense president trump's legal team insisting there is no reason for an investigation into the commander-in-chief and russian meddling in the election. take a listen. >> no won wants to inched mind the credibility of the special counsel but on the other hand what the president has been accused in the media of doing or through the leaks in "washington post" doesn't constitute obstruction of justice. there would be no need to engage in an investigation of something, if the fact were to be proven it would not violate the law. david: president's attorney out in full force after trump tweeted this weekend, quote, i'm being investigated for firing the fbi director by the man who told me the fbi director, witch-hunt. here is alan dershowitz, harvard university law professor. no sympathetic observer for the
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president or for the republicans but this seems to be getting totally out of control. my main question is, what exactly is mr. mueller supposed to be investigating? >> i think we've gone down the wrong track. there should be two investigations. one by congress to change the law unto which the president has the right to fire the director of the fbi and tell the director what to investigate and what not to investigate. but you don't use the criminal law to fill existing gaps in the law. you change the law prospectively. then there should be, perhaps, an independent commission to look into the russian impact on the election, if any, to propose ways of dealing with it in the future. but in america, both sides, immediately say, lock them up. david: right. >> throw them in jail. republicans said that about hillary clinton. democrats are saying that about trump. yet get off this criminal stuff. david: president as legal team, look they couldn't find anything in collusion now they're going to obstruction because they have to find something.
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an investigator wants to find something even though it is not in his original charge. >> it is captain ahab and the whale. when you're searching for "moby dick," you will find him even if it kills the entire crew and the captain. when you have a special counsel he has one target, and he is going to have that target. otherwise he has wasted money of the american people. david: his target is an individual, not a particular thing like russian collusion. if it could be limited to one thing, it might be okay but as the president says, it is become a witch-hunt. i want to read to you another quote. this is a politically-motivated witch-hunt. we need a trowelly independent investigation of the investigation itself so that we know who is behind these lies, these leaks, and let the investigation continue. now, i don't mean to sandbag you, you know who wrote that? >> yes of course.
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david: paul begala in 1998. what goes around, comes around. >> i was on a debate that quote ad brilliant lawyer they're trying to expand the espionage laws. let's not expand our criminal statutes, jeffrey toobin pushing very hard for an investigation of criminal conduct. it all depends on which shoe is on which foot, whose ox is being gored. we need more independent people who are prepared to say it is not right when the republicans go after democrats criminally, not right when the democrats go after the republicans. get information, get legislation. that is what congress is supposed to do. focusing on criminal aspects of this thing is a waste of america's money, a danger to the constitution and danger to civil liberties. i will fight this battle. david: you're not in favor of it? >> not me. david: alan dershowitz. great to see you. melissa. melissa: russia sending a strong warning to the united states. what does it mean for our position in the middle east? we're asking lieutenant-general thomas mcinerney. david: we're just moments away from president trump meeting
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melissa: brand new records on wall street today. the dow and s&p 500 closing at new highs with the dow surging nearly 145 points.
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goldman saks, apple, boeing, home depot driving the dow above 21,500 for the very first time. there is your 401(k). david: i was going to say, my 401(k) is very happy. at same time, tech ceos are taking over the white house. president trump will sit down with these big worldwide tech leaders. adam shapiro is live at the white house with details surrounding the meeting. adam, if you were to write an art can who are leading tech people in the world they're all at white house today. reporter: ceos of some of the largest tech see yeast in the country with market capitalization of $3 trillion. it's a little higher today. these men and women, salve from katz from oracle, and eric schmidt from alphabet, formerly google, they're advising the government to streamline the government or modernizing the government i.t. services 10 to
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20 years behind the times. the administration wants to get best private sector deployed in the public sector. to give you antiquated mayhem with taxpayers deal with government i.t. services, it was only was week that the government stopped requiring agencies to be y2k compliant. we survived y2k 17 years ago but the government is just getting up to that. here is what jared kushner had to say about that. >> we created white house office of american innovation in an effort to bring business sensibility to a government for too long relied on past practices as automatic justification for their continue ages. before i came to washington many warned me that the bureaucracy would resist any change that we tried to implement. so far i have found exactly the opposite.
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reporter: the president will meet with ceos momentarily. then they will have dinner f you're expecting change immediately, a senior administration official said earlier that these things that are going to require years to make really significant progress. our systems in some cases 10 to 20 years out of date. we're not going to fix that in one day, but we have to start now. that is going on in the white house. david: we'll cover more than that we have very sad news to report as breaking news. otto warmbier, the 22-year-old student haded by the north koreans, turned out he was in coma for a month, over a year, he has passed away. the family of otto warmbier has now said, quoting from their statement, it is our sad duty that our son, otto warmbier completed his journey home surrounded by his loving family. otto died at 2:20 p.m. would focus on future time that won't be spent with warm, engaging
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brilliant young man, curiosity, enthusiasm for life knew no bounds. we choose to focus on the time given to be with this remarkable person. you can tell from the outpouring of emotion from all states in the nation, that the love for otto went well beyond his immediate family. otto warmbier has passed away at age of 22 after horrendous experience in north korea that lasted over a year. melissa: really devastating. david: awful news. >> really awful news. david: we'll bring you more information as we get it. we assume beyond the statement there eventually will be comment from our state department. perhaps even from the president, who as the warmbiers said was instrumental in bringing this boy home, at first the obama administration had the, had the charge of trying to bring him home. they suggested they keep a very low profile. when president trump was inaugurated he said, we need a very different form of protest of the north koreans. in effect that is what brought
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otto warmbier home, at least from the perspective of his family. unfortunately it turned out for over a year he was in the a coma. the north koreans said as a result of some form of accident. melissa: botulism. >> botulism. the fanly did not believe that for a moment. other people suggested it was in the course of being tortured in very surreptitious way, he didn't have any broken bones, that that may have led to it. melissa: his family showed such grace and dignity on his return. i mean in the press conferences that they did when the doctors came out and shared his condition, and, said so little to condemn why he was left there for so long in terms of when they asked, do you feel like the last administration did enough? we'll just say the results speak for themselves. when as a parent i don't know that i could have contained myself like that. just is really tragic end to this situation. although again in their statement, so much grace, so much grace.
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david: we feel like because of our, the experience we had in the press conference with his father, we do feel like we all became a part of that family. used to be when an american was taken away by a totalitarian regime, all americans would rise up. unfortunately we've grown a little lax about that in the past couple decades. this kid brought it home, and he wa he was very brave in the way he dealt with things. it was a show trial. you can see here the pictures from that show trial that he was forced to make a confession. stemmed, melissa, from simple act which may or may not have been true taking a poster down. for that act alone, he was given i believe originally 15 years hard labor. as it turned out, just a month after he began serving that hard labor time he fell into a coma. melissa: yeah. during that time, when he came
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his family talked about his performance during the show trial that you're talking about showing on the screen here and how he had performed to try and appease what they said they wanted from him, that confession. thinking that something would come of it. david: right. melissa: that wasn't the case. david: the coat you see him wearing there, the sports coat, it is the same sports coat his father wore when he came back, after he announced to the world that he was in fact in a deep coma from which he has now passed away. here to weigh in on all that, retired air force lieutenant-general thomas mcinerney. also a fox news military analyst. general, there is, we always knew that the north korean to the tall tearian reg -- totalitarian regime was brutal. a member that kills his own family, but the case of otto warmbier brought it home to us on a personal level. >> certainly did for us, david.
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our hearts go out to hess father fred and the whole family. a tragic way that he met his death. just him being over there and travel agencies that lure young people into going to those places all resulted in his death. the tragedy of all, he was probably not going to survive in any comatose fashion, he would have been comatose the rest of his life, maybe a blessing in disguise but what a great damage did i, i want to say one thing. i looked up website that lured him into it. called young pioneers travel agency. you can look it up. these typical, kind of cold war era photos of what is clearly a potempkin village at large for all of north korea. we know that the scenes shown there are fake, that they're put on and everything, but somehow the price is cheap enough and lure is strong enough so that adventuresome kids like otto are
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drawn into it. >> absolutely. i know my own son would have probably done something like that in younger years. some of the places he has been, we all see it, you can't tell them not to do that but the great tragedy as it is, it shows the tragedy of north korea and the leadership as well as you know, facing isis and problems we face there, going on in the world. it is really a great tragedy. melissa: and the truth is we'll probably never know exactly what happened. i mean all the doctors can really tell was that he, you know, his brain had been damaged. he had stopped breathing for a period of time before he began breathing again. but at that point he had so much brain damage, even though he was blinking his eyes he was non-responsive to them. and we'll never probably know what happened. what do you think, what is the response to something like this? i mean david was talking about how in decades past america
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would have never let this happen to one of its own citizens. what is the appropriate response? >> well, that is very difficult, melissa. it is the right question to ask, but when you look at the complexities that we are facing with north korea, which is the most dangerous to peace and stability and secretary of defense jim mattis's worlds in the world today. with nuclear weapons, and all that, we do not have many responses. and we have to have a response to make sure they do not get a nuclear icbm that can hit the west coast and american cities. so we are facing, i believe, our greatest challenge in the world today is north korea. this just -- this case with otto doesn't make it any easier. it shows how ruthless they are. melissa: yeah. and this is the statement that was put out by the family a short time ago. it is our sad duty to report that our son, otto warmbier, has completed his journey home,
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surrounded by his loving family. otto died today at 2:20 p.m. it would be easy at a moment like to focus on all that we lost, future time that won't be spent with a warm, engaging brilliant young man whose curiosity and enthusiasm for life knew know bounds. wow. let's bring in dan henninger standing by. can you hear us? your micked over there? >> i can hear you, melissa? melissa: what do you think happens now? >> i basically put as lot more pressure on the world, the administration to do something about north korea. it is a single death but a single death that is everyone around the world will come to grips with it. the second quarter starness are just so awful. we know standing behind that single death of otto warmbier, there is a regime that possesses nuclear weapons and if they're willing to essentially kill a young guy like this, they're willing to kill a lot of other people. we know the threat is very real.
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i think everyone in this administration working full time to figure out an approach as that will as general mack american any antagonize them to the point where we get into nuclear situation. david: dan, david asman. there have been other times in our history, in recent history, relative recent history, one person who was mistreated by one of our enemies, i think of somebody like gary powers, for example, the u-2 spy-plane pilot shot down over the soviet union, one person really focuses the nation. warmbier did to a certain extent. do you think he will, his death will actually influence the way that we handle north korea and the way that americans come together to support whatever the president decides? >> yeah, david, i think to a great extent it will. people are very disturbed about the nuclear threat. i mean people i talk to mention it all the time. it is on their minds in a way
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such things normally don't penetrate to the surface. during the cold war that was the main issue, is the nuclear standoff between the sovietnion and the united states. now we have a nuclear standoff between this crazy regime in north korea and the rest of the world. i think most americans probably will be willing to support what the president's strategists come up with to dieter north korea. melissa: dan, just to build on your point, i mean when you see someone now in this dictator who was willing to use a weapons of mass destruction, a nerve agent, in a public place, that is something, you know, was used not just to assassinate his own family, his own half-brother, but to show the world, because he did it in a public place where there were all kinds of cameras, to show the world he had it, was willing to use it if in fact kim jong-un was behind it, there is so much evidence that he was, but he did that in a public place, then to do this?
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two things that seem to be unthinkable and are so provocative. what does it say about where we're headed with this regime? >> it says we're headed towards a confrontation. it's a clear and present danger. obviously a large part of the solution sits in bejing, china. we know the chinese have influence over that country. the president has said he is trying to get their agreement to help us do something about north korea. there is no evidence so far that they have. i suspect there are arguments inside of the administration, we'll have to figure out a way to lean harder on china to help us with this problem. david: once again for those tuning in. otto warmbier american student went on a tour, well-meaning kid, believing would find fun and adventure in north korea. he was thrown in jail by the north koreans and given 15 years hard jail time and shortly after
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he began his jail term, became comatose somehow has now died. he came back just a few days after his return from north korea, he has passed away. here on the phone, dr. marc siegel, fox news medical correspondent. dr. siegel, it is not possible to know what caused the coma to begin with. the doctors we heard from last week told us that. is there any way to be certain what caused his death now? >> first of all dade, we have a pretty good idea what happened in north korea. the doctors at university of cincinnati that he stopped, looked to them like he stopped breathing and his heart stopped bleeding and he had insufficient blood flow to the brain and his brain atrophied. even though his eyes were open, his brain wasn't responding. when he came here to the university of cincinnati and they did a sherlock homes
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routine here that he was not responding. not a coma but vegetative state. he is not aware of his surroundings. what actually caused his death is impossible to know at this point. i want to reassure your viewers it wasn't any quality of life there. whether he stopped breathing on his own. they talked about him breathing on his own or stopped breathing, exactly what caused his death we won't know but he wasn't living in any state of quality of life. david: this was a young guy. obviously he was mistreated by the north koreans. weigh was not treated well. he was young enough for his heart to stop to put him in the vegetative state, whatever you want to call it, i would think it would have to be something serious that the north koreans did to him. any guess as to what that could have been? >> david great question. i believe from what the doctors at the university of cincinnati said it was not botulism as claimed that was ruled out by
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neurological testing. my best guess, they gave him something that suppressed his breathing, some kind of agent or chemical or poison that suppressed his breathing. i know i'm speculating. that seems most likely in the situation. because they took a close look at his heart. there wasn't anything structurally wrong with it. something was given to him. >> is it possible now that so sadly he has passed they will be able to figure it out? >> that is an excellent question. actually, melissa they can take a closer look than they were able to while he was still alive. they can look at lungs and lung tissue to see what caused a stoppage of breathing. melissa: i would imagine that would be -- >> we may never know exactly but we have an idea. it wasn't head trauma by the way. the brain atrophied. he got insufficient oxygen to the brain. they didn't hit him in the head. that wasn't what it was. it was something that caused his breathing to stop. melissa: you made the point
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before there was so much damage, even though techally was not in a coma, he was not responsive. there was not a lot of hope for improvement. >> exactly right. that is what i said after the press conference. i didn't feel, we don't know exactly what happened today. whether care was withdrawn or him stopping breathing on his own. what we know he had no quality of life. david: we still have general mcinerney with us. general, there are several facets to the story. first of all the tragic personal side. there is the medical side that doctor siegel's been dealing with, but there is the militaristic side, how do we deal with this country, with this rogue nation? >> well, this is very difficult. but i think where there is a great high probability that we may have to go to war there, we do not want to do that but if china doesn't pick up the slack, if china doesn't work it, we have no alternative because we
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can not let this have a nuclear icbm. david: we thought, forgive me for interrupting, general, we thought the chinese were beginning to kick in. they turned back a couple of big shipments of coal from north korea. that is north korea's only way of really making heart currency outside of what the chinese give them. so we thought that they were, that the chinese were playing ball with us a little bit, but clearly wasn't enough to change their attitude or their icbm testing or their nuclear research. >> no, they have got a record of number of missiles launched this year. i think it is 12 or something. the fact is, everything they're doing is going in the direction being success theyave had five nuclear weapons explosions. so we have a huge problem and i think that china is not helping us. you now, they may behind the scenes, david, but i do not see the help that we're going to
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need, and we're going to have to look at this. we can win this one and we can do it. i don't want to discuss the details. david: it would be at great cost. i have to ask a final question of dan henninger, which is all of the discord, political discord that we've had over the past year, do you think that the nation could get together if there was a a conflict with north korea in a way we haven't seen since president trump was elected? >> i wouldn't go so far on that, david. it would depend a lot on just how imminent the there was from north korea. another pearl harbor, if they tried to fire a missile at united states, of course the country would come together. short of that, i think it is going to take a lot for president trump to rally people behind an aggressive policy towards north korea. david: dan henninger, dr. siegel, general mcinerney, gentlemen, thank you very much. tragic, tragic day.
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won a deal inside the cia to bring a private cloud base to bring their same technology inside the cia. so we have to think about outsourcing this stuff because it's clear technology so old, we couldn't even encrypt the data, there has to be a big change. our security and infrastructure all depends on it. >> so i always hear it's such a huge project that nobody wants to do it because they say by the time it's done, it's just going to benefit the next guy in the white house. do you think president trump will make that change and maybe he sees an opportunity. bring jeff bezos in, they're enemies for the most part, if you look at the rhetoric between the two. >> when you put 80 billion on the table, jeff bezos will become your friend, trust me. they'll figure out a way to make this work. it may be the next person but they have to get past the next step. it's about what's best for the american people and we secure
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or power grid and nuclear plants. you talk about some of the floppy disks. you should see what they use to control a nuclear weapon. it might scare you to find out about this stuff. so, yeah, we've got to modernize this stuff and this is a prime opportunity. i think president trump wants to do it because he wants to make sure a deal. whether or not it it happens in four years, and it won't even happen eight years, we would be lucky if it happens in ten. the roll it will pay dividends on money saved and better security years down the road. melissa: and he's not afraid to get the private sector involved. because it's such a huge job, and they're so far behind that you have to get private sector involved. morgan, thank you for coming on. we really appreciate your time. >> you bet, melissa. david: the phrase that sticks out, you should see what they use to launch our nuclear weapons. that's kind of concerning. melissa: or yesterday's technology tomorrow. that's also who you don't want controlling your nuclear
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weapons as well. david: by the way, our heartfelt sympathy goes out to the family of otto warmbier. he just passed away after having come back from north korea, and it is such a tragedy. melissa: it really is. david: that does it for us. risk and reward starts right now. >> as we speak, the president meeting with silicon valley ceos to modernize the u.s. government and overhaul wasteful government computers. to do things like stop fraud, cyber hacks, and save taxpayers big money. we will bring you live as soon as they come out. will they finally bring the not so state-of-the-art government into the 21st century and save you money? i'm elizabeth macdonald. stocks rebound after about a week-long selloff. amazon jumping to hi

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