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what happens next couple weeks? >> i think you get to 22,000 print. we'll go from there. big chunk from boeing. big weight in that index. we'll see if we can continue to go. we're in august. august is he slow. [closing bell rings] liz: thanks to all of you. everybody. record for the dow, 30th of 2017. melissa francis and david asman with breaking news. david: looking at two pictures. tells very interesting one. on left of your screen, press gathered for very important presser which there will be a lot of talk about the communications director. only 10 days on the job. melissa: look at that room by the way. david: it is packed to the gills. john kelly, the new white house -- new chief of staff in the white house deciding time to put his foot down, get order inside of the white house. we'll go to that as soon as it happens. despite all the turmoil inside of the belt way, stocks climbing
into the close with the dow finishing at another brand new high. to hell with the torpedoes, full speed ahead. all major averages ending july let in green up 2% or higher for the month. hi, everybody. what a day. i'm david asman. glad you could be here. melissa: glad you can join us, this is "after the bell." on big market movers. what else we're covering this very busy hour. never a dull moment at the white house. breaking news this afternoon, controversial communications director, anthony scaramucci, has been removed from his position after only 10 days on the job! we're expecting a white house press briefing to begin at any moment. we'll hear more how this came to pass. what role did general john kelly, the new white house chief of staff, play in all of this? more details on kelly's first day in the office. let's not forget there is a lot of chaos going on in venezuela with the country's president, now assuming near absolute power.
the white house is expected to respond to this as well. we're going to bring all of it to you live. david: it is breaking right now. they just did respond to that. that information coming out in a moment. first back to the record day on wall street. the dow closing at brand new high for the fourth straight day. oil is seeing best month of the year. phil flynn watching action in commodities from the cme. we have to talk about gold as well. first, nicole petallides at new york stock exchange for more how the markets fared this month. the answer is spectacularly, right? >> absolutely. we're seeing best month in a lot of months for the dow. seeing all up air ross here across the board. dow, nasdaq, zap have all been winners. i see sarah huckabee there. david: i have to stop you in mid-sentence, nicole. so sorry. here is sorry raw huckabee sanders for the white house. >> discuss the administration response, maduro regime, recent anti-democratic actions in venezuela. they will make opening remarks.
take your questions on the topic at hand. as always your favorite time of day, i will come backp to take your questions. thank you. >> hi, good afternoon, everyone. thought it might be best to read the president's statement. since president trump's inauguration the trump administration has called on venezuela's maduro regime to respect venezuela's constitution, respect the role and authorities of the constitutionally-established national assembly, hold free and fair elections. address the humanitarian needs of the venezuelan people. release political prisoners and stop oppressing its great people. the reg boom has refused to heed this call, and its recent actions culminating in yesterday's outrageous seizure of absolute power through the sham election of the national
constituent assembly represent a very serious blow to democracy in our hemisphere. maduro is not just a bad leader, he is now a dictator. the united states stands with the people of venezuela in the face of this oppression. we will work with our partners to hold accountable all of those responsible for the escalating violence and on going human rights violations. the president promised strong and swift actions if the regime went forward with imposing the national constituent assembly on the venezuelan people and he will keep that promise. secretary mnuchin. >> thank you, general. today the united states is broadening its effort to address the ongoing assault on venezuela's democratic institutions by the ma during he row regime.
-- maduro regime. treasury offers of asset control, ofac, sanctioned the president of venezuela, nicolas maduro. as a result of today's sanctions, all assets of maduro subject to u.s. jurisdiction are frozen. u.s. persons are prohibited from dealing with him. as president trump said earlier this month, the strong and courageous actions by the venezuelan people to stand for democracy, freedom, and the rule of law have been continually ignored by nicolas maduro who dreams of becoming a dictator. yesterday's illegitimate elections confirm that maduro is a dictator who disregards the will of the venezuelan people. the national constituent assembly aspires illegitimately to usurp the constitutional role
of democratically elected national assembly, rewrite the constitution, and impose an authoritarian regime on the people. as such, it represents rupture in venezuela's constitutional and democratic order. by sanctioning maduro the united states makes clear our opposition to the policies of his regime and the support for the people of venezuela who strife to return their country to a full you and prosperous democracy. as the country's head of state maduro is directly responsible for venezuela's descent and for the destruction of democracy. adding maduro to ofac's list of especially designated national reflects our commitment to not stand by idly as venezuela continues to crumble under the regime's a abuses. we hope that these sanctions
will make all maduro regime officials reconsider how their actions have affected they're country. these actions highlight the high cost and personal enablers of this regime could face in they continue their reckless and undemocrattic activities. anyone who participates in this illegitimate anc could be exposed to future u.s. sanctions for their role in undermining democratic process and institutions in venezuela. we'll take a few questions. >> thank you very much, mr. secretary. if these sanctions don't work what would the next step be? general mcmaster, the next question to you, have we ruled out or anything on the table other than economic sanctions? >> let me say, i said this generally, we very much believe that sanctions do work and we will continue to monitor the situation and consider additional sanctions.
>> to general mcmaster? >> the president's prioritized his concern for the venezuelan people. so he is only considering those options which would benefit directly the venezuelan people. >> mr. secretary. >> thank you very much. >> how many times has ofac sanction ad head of state before and does maduro have any assets in the u.s.? >> i can't comment on his assets and this will be the fourth head of state. >> mr. secretary? >> in the back. >> i have two questions. one about the sanctions and election yesterday. on elections do you elections an of the by maduro to consolidate power and in some state, that is their position and also "washington post" editorial board the venezuela january
regime is in the direction after coup, moving in the direction of a coup. does the american government fear there is coup underway in venezuela. next question on sanctions. >> what we're seeing in venezuela is not a coup. what we're seeing is brutal oppression of the venezuelan people. it is clear if you contrast turnout from opposition referendum to the very low numbers of the turnout during this farce associated with the constituent assembly, i think what you see true desires of the venezuelan people are. >> can i go back? >> yes. >> thank you, sir. this is for either or both of you. how is this different from what happened in turkey when president erdogan also seized expanded powers in referendum that some considered to have questionable result? you know, president trump congratulated president erdogan
on that and he later came to the u.s. and his people beat protesters in front of his embassy. what is the difference? >> one difference, you see the end of the constitution of venezuela. this is happening obviously in accelerated pace in recent months in the maduro regime. this is a process that has taken two regimes to really restrict venezuelan democracy. by designating, designating maduro himself he joins very exclusive club including mr. mogavi, bashar al-assad and kim jong-un in terms of brutal repression of his people and in this case the abrogation of the constitution with the, with the assembly, constituent assembly. >> right here, yes. >> thank you, mr. secretary. does the administration contemplating any action at the u.n. security council in terms of multilateral sanctions
against the maduro regime? >> again i think as we said before, this president is not going to advertise what he is going to do in the future. so all options are on the table and we will consider everything. >> any other allies of u.s. considering punishing the maduro regime, general, can you please answer that. >> i'm sorry, what was the question? >> have you spoken to any other american allies about the issue of punishing -- >> you have seen the president's statement. we'll continue to work with our partners in the region. many leaders taken very important role in this chemicals with trying to engage maduro to get him to moderate his behavior, to get him to protect rights of his people. as you know the organization of american states has tried very hard in this area as well. and so the president is committed to working with partners in the region on behalf of the venezuelan people. >> we had several countries last week join us in our previous sanctions. yes, right here. >> what conversations,
mr. secretary, have you had, administration had, the president had with president maduro or senior level at venezuela? do you expect the conversations to happen next 24, 48 hours. >> i think we'll not comment on that? >> thank you, sir. you had said, pardon me, president promised strong and swift economic sanctions. this is not really economic. this is more individual. will the president carry out strong and swift economic sanctions? >> again, we had a series of sanctions last week. this is additional sanction today. we don't comment on future sanctions but we will continue to monitor the situation and determine what is appropriate. right here? >> there was talk of maybe making changes in terms of our export of light crude oil to venezuela or curbing imports from venezuela. is that something that could hurt the venezuelan people?
>> as with continue to monitor the situation monitor our options. we will not continue to hurt the people of venezuela but we'll monitor -- >> would sanctions against oil hurt -- >> i will not comment on that. i will monitor all of our options. >> thank you, mr. secretary. 16 years ago secretary powell signed an agreement in south america in which the u.s. completely who would have indirect change of government throughout latin america and supported direct succession. this occurred in haiti when president aristad was overthrown. are you still abiding by the agreement secretary powell signed ruling out any u.s. support of a coup or an uprising against the maduro regime that brings in new leadership? >> again, i'm just going to comment on, we're focused on the
democratic process and that is what we're focused on right now. >> one more question, right here, one more question. >> are there going to be sanctions on the minister of defense people linked to the military? >> again as i have said, we've announced sanctions. we will continue to monitor the situation and consider everything in the future. thank you, everybody, appreciate it. [shouting questions] >> you guys wasted all your questions on the sail one over and over. just kidding. tough crowd today. i know it's a little late. we're used to doing the briefing. i have a few update before i get to your questions. i wanted to make sure you all were aware the first lady announced she will lead the united states delegation in more than 90 american athletes participating in the invictus games in toronto this september. there is no better representative of the united states than the first lady and
he is very proud to have her lead the team to support these american athletes. the first lady is looking forward to her first solo international trip. her office is available to answer any questions you may have. as you know the vice president is overseas on a three-country visit to eastern europe. he spent the last few days in estonia attending meetings and speaking to multinational troops participating in the nato-enhanced forward presence meggs where he recognized estonia as one of only five nato-member-states that meets its defense spending obligations. earlier today the vice president and second lady arrived in georgia where they attended a dinner hosted by the prime minister. as the vice president continue its to strengthen our relationships with our friends and allies in europe during his travels here at home the departments of commerce and energy welcomed news of partnership between american energy and government of ukraine. you ukraine's state-owned power generation company will purchase american thermal coal ahead of upcoming winter season.
that partnership will provide ukraine with secure, reliable, competitive alternative energy source helping to stablize energy supply historically been at the mercy of the country's volatile neighbors. this announcement will boost our own economy, supporting jobs in the coal and transportation industries as the trump administration continues to move our country down the path of energy dominance, we hope to see more mutually beneficial partnerships like these in the future. lastly, we all saw the ceremony that ended in the east room. specialist 5 was in the six afterwards i think his heroic story bears repeating. 48 close harrowing hours fighting in vietnam voluntarily risked his life multiple times to help his comrades. even after shrapnel from rocket propelled grenade slashed his body hand to foot, he helped his soldiers and carrying one to
safety on his badly injured act. the president was honored to award him with the medal of honor today, officially adding his name to the list of american heroes who will stand forever in our history for their bravery and unbreakable spirit. with that i will take your questions. >> sarah? >> sarah, what happened? >> how long will you yell? jim, go ahead. >> is anthony scaramucci still in the administration? does i have another role besides communications director? can you talk a little bit about the circumstances of his departure this morning? >> sure. he does not have a role at this time in the trump administration we put out a statement earlier announcing that. i don't have muchs to add. >> [inaudible] >> not at this time. >> did general kelly ask him to leave or president ask him to leave? did he volunteer his resignation? how did that come about? >> i will not get into the process ticktock. as we've said several times
before, what matters most to it us is not who is employed in the white house but who is he employed in the rest of the country. we're focused on president's agenda growing the economy, creating jobs and that is what we're going to do. that is we'll be focused on. john? >> sarah, was it a chain of command issue? scaramucci said he had a direct line of communication to the president. there has been some speculation that general kelly may try to tighten up the number of inputs that the president has. so was sitting about the chain of command or did it have anything to do with the interview scaramucci did last week? >> look the president certainly felt that anthony's comments were inappropriate for a person in that position. and he didn't want to burden general kelly also with that line of succession. as i think we have made clear a few times over the course of the last couple of days to several of you individually but general kelly has the full authority to
operate within the white house and all staff will report to him. >> when you say he didn't want to burden him with the line of succession you mean chain of command? >> yes, correct. >> could clarify one point about this chain of command. apparently jared kushner, ivanka trump look forward to following general kelly's lead. when it comes to people with access to the president will that conduit be narrowed down? will everything flow you through kelly or some things flow through the chief staff's office? >> president given full authority to general kelly. he will make the determinations. april. >> this statement released by the white house says mr. scaramucci felt that it was best to give chief of staff john kelly a clean slate and ability to build his own team but you just said the president felt that his comments were inappropriate. >> i don't see those being mutually exclusive. i think anthony wants general kelly to be able to operate fully with clean slate, build
his own team while at the same time the president felt his comment were inappropriate. those two things are not mutually exclusive. >> follow with the new hierarchy with general kelly. tell us what it looks like in the administration? >> as we laid out, general kelly i think will bring new structure to the white house and discipline and strength and we're all really excited to work with him. in terms of i will not draw a chart up here but we'll keep you guys posted. >> will steve bannon, kellyanne, everyone reporting to him, going straight to the president with issues? does every special assistant goes to general kelly first. >> i have been clear general kelly has the full authority to carry out business as he sees fit. john decker. >> real quick one, real quick line regards sean spicer. will he be in the administration in any way now that anthony scaramucci has announced he will be not be a part of trump administration. >> i'm not aware of any changes that have been made on that front.
>> my second one is this 10 days ago anthony scaramucci was introduced as the new white house communications director. ten days later he is out of a job. the president announced on twitter that there is no chaos at the white house. how would you describe what has happened over the course of the past 10 days? obviously you will agree with your boss, the president that there is no chaos but how do you explain that not to be the case? >> i think it is pretty simple. i said it before. if you want to see chaos come to my house with three preschoolers. this doesn't hold a candle to that. just to be clear that is not open invitation to come to my husband. if you guys want to schedule baby-sitting time i will be happy to work that out. >> does the president regret hiring anthony scaramucci? >> i will not get into anything beyond what i said on that front. >> you said you don't want to get into the process but you already did. the statement said scaramucci felt. you're basically laying it on him. you're saying it was his
decision. was it his decision? >> i think i've been pretty clear that the president felt it was inappropriate. both anthony and general kelly also i think came to a mutual agreement and were moving forward to focus on jobs outside of this building. not within it. >> two questions. one on this, a different topic. just to clarify because i want to make sure i understand the word he, who you referred to a minute ago, he didn't want to burden general kelly also with the line of succession. the he -- >> the president. >> that is the president. so you were saying it is the president who is deciding that -- >> look we all serve at pleasure of the president. this was mutually-agreed conversation that took place between several people. steven? sorry. another topic. >> on russia and russian sanctions do you know whether the president has or intends to sign the russian sanctions bill? why hasn't the president taken opportunity he had today, several public opportunities to say something in response to vladmir putin's retaliation with
the 755 diplomats? >> so, we put out a statement over the weekend stating the president's intent to sign. and we'll let you know when that takes place. >> do you have a date? >> again we'll let you know when that is going to happen. in terms of your second question, the follow-up was, i'm sorry? >> why hasn't he had taken opportunity to sy something forceful to the president putin? some folks are saying striking silence from the president with no sort of response out of his own mouth. he had a couple of opportunity today to say something about it and he didn't? >> we're reviewing our options. when we have something to say we'll -- >> not beat a dead horse. go back to april's question -- >> that is our favorite thing to do. >> does all the staff does that include jared kushner, steve bannon, everyone reports to kelly? >> that includes everybody at the white house. >> i want to ask about tax reform. will the administration
absolutely support version of tax overhaul comes out of the ways and means committee? >> we're working hand-in-glove, we put out a joint statement with the big six. we'll continue working with them and announce details as they come forward. francesca. >> thank you, sarah. when sean spicer resigned -- [inaudible]. now anthony scaramucci resigned, a clean slate. has the slate been totally cleaned at this point? should we expect anymore staff shakeups? everybody else in senior staff positions remaining at this time? >> yes, they are. john gizzy. >> thank you, sarah. any two brief questions, is there any chance you will leave the job of communications director alone having had two people held it leave rather abruptly in both cases? >> we'll let you know when we have any personnel announcements to make on that front? >> the other thing i wanted to ask, when the president made his speech to police officers on friday, almost within minutes statements came from police
chiefs across the country criticizing his remarks that seemed to endorse the use of force by police in search and arrests. was the president joking when he said this or did he check his remarks out with the international association of police chiefs or maybe the attorney general? >> you i believe he was making a joke at the time. trey. >> to be clear, because the statement said that anthony scaramucci is no longer with the administration, was scaramucci fired by the president or was he asked to resign? >> again i'm not going to get into anything what i have already said on that. >> follow up from the president's perspective it, you said this was a back and forth conversation. can you take us through a little bit what the president is looking for in the communications shop? why he mute make the decision to make a clean slate? >> i think he wants to work with general kelly in communications team that intact right now and
determine thes about course forward at this point. >> on the -- attorney general sessions is being considered for whom land security chief accurate? how soon will that search be complete. how essential for the white house to fill that in a quick manner? >> there are no conversations about any cabinet members moving in any capacity. the president has 100% confidence in all members of his cabinet. >> two questions for you. one on the scaramucci issue. you said the president found his remarks -- obviously the president is not stranger to salty language. can you specify what exactly he found inappropriate or disturbing? >> found inappropriate for person in that position? >> to do what? >> i believe the comments that he made he found those comments inappropriate. i'm not sure what is unclear. >> betrayal in terms of rest of the staff, trying to find out, talk about messaging being important for the president here and head of communications department is crucial effort. just trying to figure out what exactly went wrong this morning when mr. scaramucci was here and this afternoon?
>> i don't think that it is complicated to understand the president felt the comments were inappropriate. i can't really explain it any further than that. i'm not sure what you're looking for? >> obviously over the weekend events unfolded. there is discussion about -- [inaudible]. speculating about the possibility of a first strike. is that option on the table for the white house? >> as we said many times before the president will not broadcast any positions but all options are on the table. peter. >> thank you, sarah. president's week before last signed an executive order on infrastructure. does that mean that the president has no, no intention but is not going to prioritize working with congress on infrastructure bill? is there any discussion at this point of moving forward on any sort of legislative plans for infrastructure especially digitals since -- >> absolutely. the president has been very
outspoken for need of massive overhaul to the country's infrastructure system. that certainly still a priority both legislative in any capacity he has ability to carry that out. matthew. >> thank you, sarah. big picture here. we have seen a chief of staff, deputy chief of staff, handful of communications director, press secretary, national security advisor all leave in the first six months of this administration. can you tell us a little bit about why there has been all this turbulence? i know you don't like to get into the process, but just all those things together, what is going on here? >> look, we're continuing to focus on the president's agenda. we'll have staff changes. we let you nice know when they happen. like i said happens what matters to us not jobs within this building but ones outside of theirs. why the president is so focused on growing jobs. over a million new jobs since he took office. lowest unemployment last 16 years. consumer confidence is at an all-time high. we're focused on creating a
strong economy and growing jobs outside of this building, not focused on ones within. we'll continue to do that. >> if i may, quick follow-up on health care. mick mulvaney said the white house doesn't want any votes in the senate until they're voting on health care with john mccain out, out of the country with pence, don't appear likely to vote on health care. you're pushing for confirmation of nominees. is it white house position they will accept senate voting on non-health care things over next few weeks and months? >> we're continuing to push forward hopefully with the repeal and replacement of obamacare. we've never been shy about that we'll continue to do that. alexis. alexis. >> president's legislative affairs director was talking today at the museum about president's tax reform, i want to ask if you can elaborate on the president's hope to travel in august to begin to talk about tax cuts and tax reform, interest in maybe getting some democratic senators interested in supporting legislation.
do you have any details you can supply where he might go and message he wants to impart? >> not at this time but certainly we'll make sure we keep you guys posted on the president's travel throughout august. hopes to have a large amount of support for tax reform. it is something vital to our economy. something certainly the administration is very focused on has been. will continue working with both house and senate as well as members of the administration. cutting a a little close on time. thank you very much. guys. >> was the president joking about -- david: there you go. there were a lot ofances there. first of all, very specific questioning and briefing from the treasury secretary and general mcmaster about the situation in venezuela. it is getting to be a crisis situation. they're doing all they can economically to tighten the grip around an administration in venezuela that has just stepped over the line into dictatorship
from what was a very strained democracy to dictatorship. as such this administration says they will not let that stand. at least those in power will no longer have accessfunds they have in the united states or our allies. getting on to juicy stuff. melissa: immediately the press conference turned to the case of anthony scaramucci who left after 10 days on the job. of course reporters there wanting to drill down on the specifics of that departure, what happens from there. let's bring in bret baier. set "special report" host with us now. what did you make of that? they sure did ask the same question over and over. >> good afternoon, david and melissa. i think, what i took from it is reading between the lines, not so many words. one, this is general john kelly empowered. instituting a gatekeeper mentality. people are going to according to sarah huckabee sanders report to john kelly as chief of staff.
if that is to happen, the president has given him this power. in that role, he has decided that anthony scaramucci can not be white house communications director. i think the reason they were asking so many times is because the statement said that scaramucci had come to the conclusion that he wanted to step aside. well that doesn't seem to line up, the statement doesn't line up with the president was upset with his interview with the new york are and that -- the "new yorker" and general john kelly said this will not pass. eventually we got to the truth there in that press conference. melissa: it did seem to be pretty plain by the end that general kelly is, is in charge. that was the question this morning as took over, is everyone going to report to him including jared kushner. all those questions came out. as it settled said yes, he is 100% in charge of everyone. >> that is the biggest question
going in would he be empowered to do that. if that is the case, that is a big change in this white house. it was by all accounts on inside a free flowing operation. ivanka trump, jared kushner, number of other people had access to the oval office at all times no matter what the meeting was. this president liked to talk to a lot of different people on the phone. inputs coming in were in the words of some outsiders chaotic. that is not how they characterized it on the inside. the man hired as white house communications director 10 days ago is gone. melissa: is this possible reaction to anthony scaramucci and interview he did, obviously that is number one, also what happened with health care, and the idea overall someone needs to get in charge and create order? >> i think so. i think that is the purpose of john kelly is to have order,
structure, a system. it is also possibly a comforting thing a war hardened general alongside when the world is tough spot around the world, hot spots around the world flaring up. i think that is a comfort to this president. definitely a comfort to the defense secretary and secretary of state who had concerns about the way the white house was operating. so i do think the scaramucci part of this equation was a flash in the pan. and as exciting those 10 days were, his official start date was august 15th. he never made it to the official start of his time. melissa: interesting for us on the business side to see tax implications in terms of sale of his business. if you go to work for the white house you don't have to pay the same tax on that. i don't know, this is business channel. we're interested in that kind of stuff. >> yeah. melissa: there were people
criticizing on social media, with all the things we have going on right now the press conference started with that very serious situation and america's response and administration if of this the same stance to other countries oppressing their people but quickly turned to this other issue i guess in many ways sets the stage. what are your thoughts on that? >> there are so many big things going on. it is like drinking from a fire hose here in washington to determine what it most important day-to-day process in the white house is attractive forepeople covering washington. there are a lot of things happening around the world. in america, the tax reform will be key issue. the white house is trying to get itself in order for a bigrollout to make that happen. melissa: bret, thank you so much. david. david: so what could be more important than all of this? how about thermonuclear war? melissa: right. david: fallout from north korea's latest
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i have to ask but the news what the new chief of staff, general kelly, has done and what that portends for the future. what are your thoughts? >> well i think, clearly what he is going to bring to the table, i'm sure he had this conversation with the president, the principle job of that chief of staff is to drive and coordinate the president's agenda, not just with people inside the white house who will be working for him but with all of his cabinet and with the congress of the united states. that is why this is the toughest job in government. and the fact kelly gave up being head of a department where he is the principle, where he has a chief of staff, and where the agenda is around him and his schedule, now he is working an eight-day week in a seven-day week. that is incredible what he has taken on himself. this is usually a job for a much younger man but this man is in very good physical condition. david: yes he is. >> he has right attitude and he will bring a lot to this job.
david: he is former marine, i hasten to add, general. i know you're supportive of the marine corps as well. but he also will have to deal with very important military matters. to what extent will problems dealing with north korea and problems outlined with venezuela, how will the chief of staff play into that role, now that he has a general, a marine corps general in that position? >> well, he will largely play at everything that is on the president's agenda. certainly foreign policy, national security, issues like north korea and iran, what we're dealing with venezuela, certainly he will have his viewpoints on all of that. he will help to shape outcomes as a chief of staff does. david: yeah. >> it's a wonderful appointment. i think the president has made, and i take my hat off to the general. david: particularly at this time in history. i don't think we'll ever have a chief of staff with as much influence and direct knowledge of warfare that general kelly has. this is a big bonus. i want to ask you a specific question about north korea. they are now, china is now
complaining about u.s. aggression because of the fact we're mounting these anti-missile defenses in places like south korea and japan. tell me what is aggressive about strengthening defenses against attack? defense and offense are two different things but not according to china. >> i mean that is the height of hypocrisy where their closest ally in the region is indeed north korea and north korea is trying to nuclearize icbms and threatening our allies in the region. that is about as offensive as you can possibly get and what we're doing is missile defense and practicing it so if such and he event were to occur we would have the capability to bring it down certainly and that is defensive. david: forgive me interrupting, general, we only have 30 seconds. do we have to do more than beef up defenses in places like south korea? since they have a icbm that has missiles that could hit targets in mainland u.s. a don't we have
to take offensive action? >> i agree what they're doing. they will put on fast forward, as much isolation and sanction. i believe they will have to get very tough with china to get help on this. that is a reasonable approach to take. we are running out of time. so urgency here is certainly a factor in this. david: yeah. >> certainly other options down the road with limited military options and the rest. i'm sure they have all of that on the table. for time being, right course of action by the administration in my view. david: general jack keane, wonderful to see you. thank you very much. >> good talking to you, david. melissa: violence continuing in venezuela amid political unrest. the u.s. is taking strong action against their flawed government. the fallout is next. ♪ ad the shooting, burning of diabetic nerve pain these feet... liked to style my dog as a kid... and were pumped to open my own salon. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and she prescribed lyrica. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions.
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>> all assets of maduro subject to u.s. jurisdiction are frozen. u.s. persons are prohibited from dealing with him. david: maduro is not just a bad leader. he is now a dictator. david: here now is stuart holiday, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations and ceo of meridian international. senator -- ambassador, will this have any effect changing that regime? >> i think it is the opening salvo in an effort to change the regime. we have long history in venezuela and latin america. we have to be very careful to try to force maduro into a position, into a box but without alienating the people. what we called for free and fair elections and the stick that is looming over maduro would be any sort of sanctions to the energy sector. david: what we are trying to do clearly is to prevent another cuba but to certain extent venezuela already is another cuba. and it started before maduro when chavez was in power.
back in 2005 the cubans actually took over the venezuela office responsible for issuing passports and identity cards which are very important for a whole range of things. so the cubans really control a good part of that society already. >> that went both ways of course. chavez propping up the castro regime with energy supplies. it is true that it is looking more and more like repress sieve castro--style regime and i think the next few days will be very critical to see how the people of venezuela react because in effect there has been a, a coup by very small minority of people, 85% of the venezuelan people do not want this constituent assembly. they have to take action. david: it is civil war or close to it. the fact we don't want to do a lot of nation-building. we had bad experience there with that. on other hand we have a strong opposition there. we just empower them rather than
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melissa: general is in and the mooch is out. >> president certainly felt that anthony's comments were inappropriate for a person in that position. and he didn't want to burden general kelly also with that line of succession. melissa: here now is noel nikpour, gop finance fund-raiser and former obama campaign director. >> it was in and out. when your white house starts to define the narrative of the entire white house, i think it is time to make a change, whether it was anthony deciding that he needed to do it for the betterment of the country or it was a mutual decision. however, it was made, i'm sad about it, because mooch is a great guy. if you know him he has a big heart. it was unfortunate what he said,
but it was very distracting. he has a lot of personal things. he has business going on. that was bought. i don't even i think that was closed yet. then he has got some personal things. so you know, maybe this is some time for him to focus on his own stuff and instead of this. it is sad. melissa: robin, you could say it is chaos as some are saying or you could say it is decisive, something happened, they made a decision. they put a general in charge, boom. >> exactly. you know, general kelly took the oath today around lunchtime if i'm not mistaken. honestly he was tired of the funny business. he was going to clean house but i think americans will be slightly less relieved when sarah huckabee sanders said this is slightly less chaotic than a room full of preschoolers. i don't think they will find comfort in that. melissa: we might get bored soon, noelle. for us on the sidelines there is no shortage of things to talk about. god forbid the whole thing is
orderly, under control, starts running smoothly, all trains on time, what would we do with ourselves? >> one of the things i wondered when kelly took the position, was the fact that did he take this position with conditions or did he take the position without conditions? this is a big deal. because if he negotiated the position with, conditions, that means that he wanted to do some reorganization, reorganizing before he got there. melissa: robin, you have to respect him for many reasons but one of them would be that he had a job that he was doing successfully. he was head of an entire group. he had a huge position and staff reporting to him. it was going very well. he gave that up to take over the other position that looks like a nightmare from the outside but he must have felt that was his duty to his country. what a guy. >> i feel you there. but i called this on friday when i was sitting in the chair that i think that he was spotlighting and he let this run away with him. i understand that he, his wife
had a baby -- melissa: no, no i meant general kelly is the one that was in charge. >> general kelly, i'm sorry. melissa: yes, trust me. i'm saying general kelly was in charge of something enormous where he had a lot of people going successfully. i should have been more specific. he gave that up to dom over to the white house which is a little nutty right now. that is a huge responsibility? >> i honestly think he is the man for the job. he is consummate professional. as you see today he is cleaning house. melissa: yeah. >> needs to be done. melissa: there you go. guys, thanks to both of you. appreciate your time. glad we cleared that up. david: that is from a democrat too. giving the general some credit. moment of gratitude for heroes who serve this country and how in my humble opinion their ranks are being improved. ♪ uses unique mistpro technology and helps block
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my son is promoted to master sergeant. there's his mother and on a day we see so clearly how decisively marines act to solve problems. my son follows in the tradition. melissa: that's wonderful. congratulations. david: thank you. melissa: risk and reward starts now. liz: day one for general john kelly as the new white house chief of staff and on the general's first day anthony scaramucci gone. out from his post as communications director less than two weeks on the job. white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders just commenting moments ago. >> look, the president certainly felt that anthony's comment were inappropriate for a person in that position. and he didn't want to burden general kelly also with that line of concession, as i think we've made clear a few times over the course of the last couple of days for these individu