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♪ ♪ ♪ paul: welcome to the journal editorial report, i'm paul gigot, 2020 democratic hopefuls faceoff as lesser known candidates scramble to distinguish themselves from voters. elizabeth warren, bernie sanders bernie sanders on night one and joe biden and kamala harris on night 2. take a look. >> i think if we force americans to make radical changes, show your hands up.
i think democrats when we run on real solutions and not impossible promises, we run on thinks that are workable and fair tale economics. >> i don't know why somebody runs as president of the united states to talk about what we can't do. >> plan is too late, we have to get off coal in 10 years, your plan does not do that. >> senator harris is proud of her record as prosecutor and she'll be a prosecutor but i'm concerned about the record, too many examples to fight, but she put over 1500 people in jail for marijuana violations and laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. paul: managing director and chairman of the harris poll, he was chief strategist on bill clinton's 1996 presidential campaign and hillary clinton's 2008 presidential campaign, mark, welcome, let me ask you first about joe biden who is
the main target and front runner, did he hold up in. >> he did, i think he's standing after debate. i have since polling since the debate. there's no real drop in front-runner status, when we used to have front-runners, hillary would be in the 40's, al gore in the 60's, joe biden in 30's. >> he seemed to fight back, he seemed to be more in command of his record, he also, i guess he had a couple of stumbles and since he's -- he's the oldest person candidate, do you think that created any troubles for him? >> i haven't really seen blowback for that. i've seen worst stumbles than he did during the debate. i think people were really concerned he would collapse, he would come under attack again, he couldn't really do it. i think they same away saying, he did just fine, some candidates looked more desperate
trying to take him down. paul: who else stood out for you, consensus is elizabeth warren won the first night's debate, do you agree with that? >> well, elizabeth warren has to knock out bernie sanders, they're fighting for the same vote and either they split the vote in which case neither of them goes anywhere or she wins it and so far people see her as more measure oriented, more kind of ringing the bells, more effective as debater and that came through a second time. i'm waiting to see when he goes up against biden what that's like. paul: in terms of sanders versus warren, it's almost as if the two have nonaggression pack, they were taking income from pragmatic liberals, i guess what you're saying they have to do that. >> absolutely. paul: what would be the differences, what are they going to fight over? >> well, interesting, you know, sanders used to be among the most well-liked politicians
and image keeps dropping and hers keep going up slightly. paul: how do you explain, she's a fresher face? i will say this, she's more disciplined and she's saying things that are relatively new compared with bernie who gives the same message he gave 4 years ago. >> i think that's right. i think that his kind of rap is becoming more tired and her is fresher. everybody on the left understands they can't have 3 or 4 standard bearers and i think their attitude is sanders had his time probably it's warren's time if she's ever going to make it. paul: one of the things that overall what has struck me is just how much further the democratic party, all of the candidates in general have moved since even 2012 and 2008, i mean, on health care, on climate change, on policing, on a whole host of issues, how do you explain that, what
has happened? >> well, the candidates appear to have moved much further to the left than the democratic voters so i don't think hardly at all except on the hatred of trump. i was frankly quite amazed that i was being thrown guarantied incomes, medicare from, you know, birth to death, reparations, a list of goodies, mostly what i see is a lot of pandering to specific groups to try to get their votes and then i saw a lot of slugging across the aisle, a lot more blue on blue than what i would have expected. paul: these are smart people, if they are competing for the progressive wing, it strikes me as odd, why are more of them competing for the biden wing? >> it is odd, because a lot of them see that really barack obama won with a coalition with african-american voters and progressive voters
and they beat coalition of hillary where we had middle of the road voters and did great with latinos and working class, many of them are trying to put together that coalition and have a breakthrough in iowa which is famous for being more liberal than most of the democratic electorate. it's striking to me saying obamacare is inadequate. they are going after saying immigration deportations were cruel. >> i think candidates are looking how to take him down, kamala harris has tried going back 30 years, way back to the origins that would make a difference, they are
going after more current situations and stands, look, we all think it's a mistake and i think a lot of -- a lot of pressure on the candidates not to do that again and i suspect they will back off from that. they are desperate, they want to breakthrough, they want to take them down. paul: mike penn, appreciate you being here, still ahead, forget president trump, vice president joe biden and barack obama was main target in event, is that a smart straggist, -- strategist, is that a good strategy? >> the democrats spent more time attacking obama than they did attacking me -and...that's your basic three-point turn. -[ scoffs ] if you say so. ♪ -i'm sorry? -what teach here isn't telling you is that snapshot rewards safe drivers with discounts on car insurance.
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>> in 2019 in america for a democrat to be running for president with a plan that does not cover everyone, i think it's without excuse. >> mr. vice president, you want to be president of the united states, you need to answer tough questions, i guaranty you if you're debating donald trump, he won't let you off the hook, did you say the deportations is a good idea, which one? >> there are people right now in prison for life for drug offenses because you stood up and used the tough on crime phoney rhetoric that got
a lot of people elected but destroyed communities like mine. paul: donald trump, front runner joe biden was the clear target in the second of this week's democratic debates with fellow 2020 hopefuls attacking the former vice president on everything from health care to immigration to criminal justice reform, so were those attacks effective and how well did biden respond, let's ask panel, wall street journal columnist dan henninger, columnist kim central's and editorial board kyle peterson. kim, do you agree, this was pretty good show for biden, held up well or not in. >> absolutely do, best show that i have seen in debate forum and he came across as ready to fight for his record, he not only i thought someone deflecting criticism of his time when he was vice president and obama policies but even going
further back to his entire record on criminal justice reform so in the past biden has looked a little sleepy but came out here and looked like he was ready to engage and knocked back critics. paul: dan, what about the stumbles he had, 8 years of -- >> 8 more years of trump. >> cory booker as president. >> cory booker thanked him. stumbles were relatively minor but they were real, i think professional democrats like mark penn get concerned about that sort of thing because they don't want him doing that if he gets the nomination out on the campaign trail and certainly not on debate stage with donald trump, joe biden is famous for gaffes, he makes jokes about it but there is a limit, so it was a little bit concerning, by in large i agree with kim, he did well, look, these debates 10 people on stage, like a bumper cart thing, people coming at you from every direction, he held up
pretty well. >> on so many issues. they went after him on everything. kyle, habit of the democrats to go after obama's record? it's declaring that obamacare didn't work because they are complaining about deductibles. >> they have to find a way to bring biden down back to earth. he's been been with third of the vote, dropped 5 points and came back, they have to find a way to do it and the stumbles to me were biggest weakness but nobody on the stage wants to go after that, nobody wants to say, joe, at the end of your first term you would be 80, nobody wants to hit that yet. paul: kim, one question, maybe the attacks on biden associating with obama and the attacks on
obama might help biden with african american voters who you know look very fondly on the first african-american president. >> well, look, i think this was somewhat dangerous in that regard for these critics not only do you get these party fight which is a lot of democrats are worried about out there, but as you've had former obama surrogates pointing out, do you really think it's wise to be attacking a president that has a retired with sky-high approval ratings especially among the core demographics that you need to get as the candidate as well too, i think that this is -- biden was right to be up there and defend his record. i don't like some of those policies, but this time around, you know, especially on things like immigration, you didn't like our deportations, well, did you like the stuff we did on dreamers, a president who had never done more for immigrants, you can debate that question but definitely more ready to
engage. paul: let's talk, dan, about kamala harris, this time she was the target, we saw tulsi's attacks on record. i thought that she did not look prepared for some of the attacks. >> perhaps there's a reason she wasn't prepared, when did he release health care monday, kamala larry released the plan so she will be the focus of attention on these debates, she got her wish, she dominated, she got most of the face time in the first hour and you know what, she wasn't prepared for it, she didn't do well, hay started to hammer her on details which clearly which she didn't understand and began to sound desperate, began to sound like she was under a lot of pressure, back on her heels, whatever benefit she intend today get from releasing the program monday it really didn't add for her, i think she
fell down a few notches after the debate. paul: on criminal justice record, i was surprised kyle and say, i was a prosecutor, my job was to put people who break the law in jail, she never even said, you know, i put some bad folks in jail which is what you are supposed to do. what would you have done? >> progressive prosecutors who are challenging and winning races -- paul: she couldn't say that is that what you're saying? >> a hard case on the left. especially low-level cases, you put marijuana offenders in jail and when you were asked about doing marijuana you laughed about it. i thought that was one to have best lines to have night. >> if joe biden on immigration asking about people crossing the border, if you cross the border illegally you should be sent back, you should get in line, i was struck that any democrat under these would say something like that and he did it very
directly. paul: was there anybody else, dan, who stood out for you, kind of made an impression, might have some legs going forward? >> no. i thought tim ryan made a lot of sense, good representing the moderate position but apparently has no prospect whatsoever of getting into that debate in september, so the big question other than joe biden all of the other moderates, john hickenlooper and john delaney will fade away after this. paul: tulsi gabbard, any chance to move on? >> a lot of good lines that hay lighted real divides among the candidates but at the moment, you know, we have the moments where they stand on stage and they leave and their ability to continue in the press when the press
is so focused on just the front runners makes it very difficult for them to really get any swell behind them that would be the continued dynamic until at least a few people drop out. paul: when we come back democratic divide as more pragmatic liberals take down elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. who's dog is this? it's my special friend, antonio. his luxurious fur calms my nerves when i'm worried about moving into our new apartment. why don't we just ask geico for help with renters insurance? i didn't know geico helps with renters insurance. yeah, and we could save a bunch too. antonio! fetch computer! antonio? i'll get it.
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talked about taking private health insurance away from union members and industrial midwest and decrammallizing the border and we talked about giving free health care to undocumented workers when so many americans are struggling to pay for their health care, i quite frankly don't think that is an agenda that we can move forward on and win. paul: democratic divide on full display with more pragmatic liberals like tim ryan, john delaney and hickenlooper taking on elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, taking on health care, climate and the economy. i thought the best part of the debates were the health care sections, you say those things are so complicated but i thought the critics zeroed in on the issues of choice, private health care and costs. >> yeah, i did too. let me quote one more senator mike bennett from colorado say they are proposing eliminating private insurance and raising taxes to do it.
you know, this is a very serious distinction, it's not merely intellectual distinction, i think that the moderate democrats are truly afraid that if they go out there and campaign on medicare for all eliminating private health care plans like they said over and over again, held by tens of millions of union members and saying that somehow you are going to transfer to a public program as tim ryan said the next day they think they will lose all 48 states and not sure which two they will carry. [laughter] >> elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are absolutely intent on running on medicare for all, possibly with public option. >> and yet, even though they scored with moderates in my view, some real serious points in the criticism, as dan said, warren and sanders not deterred from others and not deterred and frankly the moderates
don't have the traction except in this case except for biden. >> right, one to have problems there is joe biden is subbing up all of the vote, the bright side of the second debate is joe biden adopted some of the arguments, he was the most forceful. paul: pragmatic liberal argument. >> he was the most forceful on this that i have seen him so far. these guys are trying to take private health insurance from half of the country, raise taxes, $30 trillion, but you have to think the argument -- if you look at the polling for medicare for all it really isn't all that great, adults ensured 86% rate coverage of good or excellent, i don't know how you win with other 14%. paul: kamala harris trying to kim, the medicare for all straddle, i'm still going to get there for medicare, 10 years instead of 4 like bernie and have medicare advantage plans although you'll still have to if you have private health care as an employee of a
company, you give that up, but you might have a choice of some medicare advantage plans. >> well, her rivals were all ready to tear her apart too, i think that's very important, they continue to point out, look, you're still going to lose your private health insurance, the federal government is still dictating what kind of health care people can have, that goes to the fact, again, this is a very big divide out there. now, i would argue one also without as much distinction as some of the democrats on the stage would suggest whether you are for medicare for all or -- which is imposing that immediately on americans or for public option on the installment plan, you know, we are all going to end up with government health care at some point, but the distinctions at least for now are really resinating in the party. paul: what about sanders versus warren, you see warren just inching ahead and inching ahead
and moving and she will end up being the champion of the left? >> bernie sanders since he got into politics several years ago has had mysterious hold on the progressive base, i wouldn't go so far as predict that she's going to take his base away from him, but that base has to make a choice between these two people, having said that, there's the question of whether the progressives are running the democratic party or the democratic is about something else and that includes democratic voters. the thing i was struck by, paul, in the debate between elizabeth warren and bernie sanders was the intensity of their animosity towards the private sector, they aren't simply talking about regulating the pharmaceutical and the insurance industry, they seem to want to eliminate the pharmaceutical and insurance industry. put them aside. paul: public generic drug manufacturer who would undercut prices of
other companies. >> i think she had one of the strongest debates. i mean, she has some of the same similar politics of bernie sanders but presents them in a better frame, more politically palpable frame, as far as her vote, who is the kamala harris, somebody who is a little left to joe biden but not quite to bernie sanders, if her -- if her stumbles this week caused her to drop, maybe warren is best position to pick up some of those voters. paul: kim, briefly, anybody else have a shot going forward, cory booker, amy klobuchar, anybody else? >> well, i was struck by the people who were supposed to have a shot in this debate but didn't really build on it, amy klobuchar is a very good example, you know, she was a bit quiet during the debate, didn't distinguish herself in any way and the same with corey booker and tried to go after joe biden and didn't get a lot of traction, people who had better nights and i don't see the rankings here changing a great
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>> no one has paid a further price than americans living in our nation's inner cities, they have paid a dear price, you see what's happening, you see our inner cities, we spent billions and billions for years and years and years and it's stolen money and it's wasted money and it's a shame. >> that was president trump in cincinnati thursday escalating his criticism over democrats and stewardship of america's cities, the president spent a week attacking baltimore in particular and going after maryland, democratic congressman elijah cummings who has represented most of baltimore county for more than two decades, back with dan henninger, wall street journal editorial board member allysia finley and mary
o'brady. it's overdue, explain. >> well, you know, the civil rights act was passed in 1964, that's about 55 years ago, and in the years since most of the major -- a lot of cities who went up in flames back then and raised riots, new york, detroit, chicago, newark, trenton, los angeles, extraordinary events but way or another most of the cities with the exception notably new york have been controlled as the president said by democratic mayors, 55 years, everything he said was true, billions and billions of dollars have been spent, a lot of federal programs, entitlement programs mandated spending inside those cities, fast-forward to now and it is true, we know what baltimore looks like, we know what cities like neighborhoods look like in east brooklyn, los angeles, murder rate in chicago, why is it that
after 55 years of all the democratic attention these people are still living in the conditions that they live in and they said absolute legitimate subject for presidential debate. paul: mary, we had a piece from expert on baltimore and going back to the 60's and citing the coroner commission, the riots were caused by race, racial disparities and differences but particularly detail struck me, baltimore received $1.8 billion in stimulus funding in 2009 and '10. >> the facts were there but what was unfortunate that president trump walked into this racial issue because he made, you know, made the confrontation with elijah cummings. paul: talk about infested. used that word. >> i think he could have easily singled out mayor de blasio here in new york we have a huge rat problem and -- paul: for sure.
[laughter] >> we have a huge problem with the homeless and really as dan said this is about democratic machine politics running these big cities, taking the voters for granting them and basically owning them and republicans have an opportunity here to say to the people who live in these cities, you know, you don't have to be owned subsidiary of the democratic party and you have options and put the options on the table. new york improved under, okay, mayor began the process but really rudy giuliani changed new york. republicans have to get in that fight. >> that's what i want to focus on because those of us of a certain age who were here first in the late 70's -- >> spent our childhood here. paul: we know the difference that giuliani and then mike bloomberg made over the course of governance, changed policy, taking ideas from the manhattan institute on criminal justice, on economics,
on welfare reform, on a whole variety of things that really did change the city and now you as new yorker relatively 10 years, you know, you see the benefits of that but de blasio is taking us back in many ways. >> well, definitely decline over de blasio years including especially the subways, homelessness, i think this also gets public union governance and democrats who run these are often wholly-owned subsidiaries and they public unions get and that was 1960. paul: i think the first was 1961. >> because of executive order jfk, president kennedy. paul: nelson in wisconsin, maybe 50's, jfk, you're right. >> then created dependency between the democratic party and the public unions which keep, you know, demanding more and more
compensation from labor costs, more payments for pension and more payments for health care which means that a lot of budgets do not have money left over for infrastructure, keep their school infrastructure up and running, public housing, for instance, in new york city now is under the supervision of a federal monitor and i have to say, paul, i think we may be at a tipping point on this issue, appropriate for president trump to go out and campaign on this because i think the people living in these inner cities now are becoming acutely aware of their conditions. paul: okay, but to do that you have to have solutions, you have to say, you have a problem with your education, here is a solution, here is charter schools, go in and talk to, go into successful charter schools, you have a problem with homelessness or housing costs, here is my solution, you have a problem with crime, here is my solution, that's not what we are hearing right now from president trump, he has an opportunity to do that but it seems to me if he doesn't do that it's going to be a
name-calling exhibition. >> right, also something that's not necessarily done by the federal government and this has to be the republican party at the local level in the different places. paul: but the president could highlight it. >> could help a lot but the other problem is that people feel sort of apathetic to voting, new yorkers do not go out and vote in city elections because they just don't think they can overcome this machine, i think, the voter participation in the first de blasio election was what 26% or something, so you have to get those voters energized, you have to get them, there's alternative and they are excited for voting for it. >> i really wish they would go to providence, report last month that basically a horror show, you had rats, brown water, leaking sewage water. it's not just the teachers or the school
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to stand up to china's abuse and i just announced tariff on $300 billion worth of chinese products that come into our country. [cheers and applause] paul: president trump announcing thursday that the administration would add 10% tariff on additional $300 billion on chinese import on september the first, lowered benchmark in more than 10 years with fed chair jay powell calling quarter rate cut adjustment, we are back with dan henninger and wall street journal columnist mary o'grady, mary, a lot of economic news, the tariffs, the fed, job's report, pretty solid on friday, 164,000, where are we in terms to have shape of the status of the economy? >> well, unemployment is at 3.7% which is pretty much all-time low, so, you know, the economy is growing and just in this
moment it looks fine but things like business investment are looking fog, they are coming down, yeah. people are worried about global growth and then if you pile on top of that the trade wars that president trump is engaged in, there's reason to see clouds on the horizon. paul: are you worried about a potential recession? >> there could be a recession. i believe in something called the business cycle, those things happen but i don't believe the federal reserve is in charge of warding off the business cycle, in other words, its job is monetary stability and unfortunately has this other obligation which is full employment and we have both of those things so i don't think that the fed should be cutting, in fact, inflation for the end of june core inflation was at 2.1%, that's above the target and, you know, always helps that the fed is out ahead of
inflation, so more cuts i think are troubling. >> paul, just to continue on the economy itself for a moment, we had this extraordinary demonstration effect, i think, in the first two years of the trump administration. after 8 years to have obama presidency where you had 2% at best, relatively high unemployment, especially for blacks and minorities. the trump administration deregulate economy significantly and lower corporate tax rate, whatever else you may say about that, what it seems to show us is the incredible underlying strength of the american economy, it is extraordinarily diverse and strong and that's what we have been seeing here the last two years, and so the question now is are those incentives going to be kept in place because the economy itself is capable of growing if it has the right incentives and what we are asking here, well, the trade policy and possibly fed policy is going to
suppress what is remarkably u.s. strong economy. paul: to your point of the first 2 years of the economy, this week the commerce department revised to some of the personal income statistics upwards for 2017 and especially 2018 where it looked like more people were getting more raises in personal income and that's feeding the strength machine in consumer spending in the job market. >> having wage growth is obviously one of the most important aspects of, you know, economic growth, i mean, for a politician to be be able to brag, if you don't have any wage growth, you know, people feel like you are really not helping them much. but i think one of the big problems here as we inch up part of business cycle, normal recession, people are looking around and saying, okay, what can the government do and because government, not just u.s. government around the world have new stimulus spending, you know, and gone to extremes in terms of
fiscal budgets to spend to deficit spend in order to get economies going, they don't have that bullet in the chamber and, you know, the fed is also -- has very low rates right now, so it doesn't have so much room either to play with. paul: one of the explicit justifications that the fed chair made this week was protect against possible downside risk of trade, we saw the president -- i think the third or fourth round, 3 and a half round of tariff increases on chinese goods and he said, okay, we will continue in september and we will try to get that done but the mood between the two sides is not good, the president remembers said, tariffs as a tool to be able to get a better trade deals, well, 18 months later, no better trade deals yet on china. >> yeah, and that seems to be dead in the water at the moment, you mentioned them talking
about downside risk, jarome powell had a whole list of downside risk, trade disputes, slowdown in manufacturing, slower growth abroad and the per -- persistence, monetary policy is supposed to be responsible for all that, the central bank have taken onto themselves the responsibility for keeping entire details of the global economy up and running, monetary policy, paul is not heavy lift. paul: the president disagrees with you. >> the other thing is she's not running for another term -- >> president trump. >> the chinese can sort of say we will be the last man standing because we don't face an election. paul: they have a problem with this, the value of yuan and job
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paul: president trump and lawyer gearing up for a fight after gavin newsom requiring candidates to release tax returns or be barred from the golden state's primary ballot, would this bill with stand a legal challenge, we are back with dan henninger and allysia finley, what exactly did they do? >> pass a law requiring anyone who wants to appear on presidential or gubernatorial ballot, gavin newsom was protecting himself during future elections, isn't legal justification, the political justification that newsom is providing, extraordinary times, therefore taking extraordinary measures. paul: by staired times he means extraordinary president in donald trump that he doesn't like, right? >> exactly it.
paul: can state add qualifications beyond age and a couple of the other explicit qualifications that i mention in the constitution for qualifying for a ballot. >> it's very legally dubious. states can't impose on congressional members. paul: they haven't ruled on whether you can do so for presidential ballots. >> right, likely even if sort maybe go to ninth circuit and be upheld, if it were to go to supreme court i have no doubt it would be overturn. paul: okay, so jerry brown, former governor, vetoed this in 2017, what was his argument, he's a democrat just like newsom, what was his argument? >> unconstitutional too, it creates a slippery slope, what is next, birth certificate, high school grades, medical records, it's going to encourage other states maybe conservative or republican states to impose own requirements
to be on the ballot. paul: that seems to be apart from legalities which are serious but presidential value, he's basically -- california is offering invitation to a one-party republican state to make life really hard for somebody else to get on the ballot. i think that trump should release tax returns, we said so many, many times but he hasn't, and he's not going to, and voters can factor that in, you know what, i'm not going to vote for him because he's not being honest with the public. >> yeah. paul: but, you know -- >> hard times. paul: it's not in the constitution that he has to release it. >> this is another -- california legislation another example of what we call trump derangement syndrome and people snapped, they feel like they have to attack this individual personally, paul, long-term, there's going to be payback down the road from the republicans, you do this sort of thing, make no mistake about it, whether it's republicans
in washington or states across the country they will do the same thing to democrats and what do most people out there in the country complain about today, extraordinary polarization in our politics, you look at laws like this to see real polarization. >> new york state passed law, andrew cuomo signed it that we will turn over the new york tax returns to democrats who run the house ways and means committee, that's now in litigation but another example of a specific -- of a law, it's specifically into trump. >> arguing to be made, similar to which constitution, basically prohibited states that targets individuals. >> right, that could be precisely that kind of a law. you know, people talk about violating norms and trump is violating political norms and these are both pretty clear examples to me that you have democrats
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