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is it for us here in washington. "fox news sunday" is up next. a good one. chris wallace sits down with the house oversight committee darrell issa and rick sta sant. >> chris: i'm chris wallace. congressual republicans are demanding answers from attorney general eric holder about a federal gun running sting gone captioned by closed captioning services, inc. with operation fast and furious in the cross hairs of investigators, what is the fallout for the obama administration? we'll ask the head of the house government oversight committee, darrell issa, only on "fox news sunday." then, chris cristie and sarah palin take a pass on a presidential run. is the time right for another candidate to make a move? we'll speak with a contender looking to fill the void. former senator rick santorum. plus, the occupy wall street protest gained momentum, spreading across the country.
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we'll ask our sunday panel if the new movement is the left's answer to the tea party. and our power player of the week. a profootball veteran tackles an issue you of life and death. all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. the obama administration is now being rocked by two scandals. operation fast and furious and the awarding of a half billion dollars federal loan guarantee to solyndra, a solar panel company that went bankrupt. our first guest is at the center of both investigations. darrell issa, chairman of the house oversight and government reform committee. and congressman, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thanks for having me on and for covering two issues of the many, many issues causing americans to lose confidence in their government. >> kimberly: tal government. >> chris: talk about fast and furious in which agents allowed
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more than 2,000 weapons to be sold illegally across the border. they were going to track them and lost track of a number of them. hundreds ended up with a drug cartel and two ended up at the murder scene of a u.s. border patrol agent. take you back to may when you had the now famous exchange with attorney general holder. here it is. >> when did you first know about the program officially i believe called fast and furious to the best of your knowledge, what date? >> i'm not sure of the exact date but i probably heard about fast and furious for the first time over the last few weeks. >> chris: i understand that you are going to issue a new set of supermodel pena subpoenas to te attorney general this week. about what. >> about fast and furious and about why are they denying about knowing about something that they were briefed on exactly when the american people want to know how did it happen. understand we didn't start off going after the attorney general or lenny brewer or any
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one else in justice. we started off by knowing that the u.s. border patrol agent was dead and a lot of weapons had been let walk. after that we started being told things like by a justice department designated official we never let weapons walk. now, we have literally e-mails in which they are concerned about so many walking. and you said something and i don't mean to correct you but to expand, we didn't just have a few not be tracked. the whole program was about not tracking them until they were found at the scene of crimes and they didn't just allow, they facilitated just in one gun buyer, one straw buyer bought over 700 weapons. >> chris: specifically what are the subpoenas about? >> we want to know what did they know and when did they know it. more importantly, we have to understand at what level did the authorization really come. it wasn't an atf authorization. they were part of that. it was a joint operation in which d.e.a. knew you more than
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a.t.f. >> chris: drug enforcement administration. a.t.f., alcohol tobacco and firearms. >> and these were all part of the department of justice and as we are beginning to see and not talking about eric holder at the moment, people at the top of justice were well briefed and knew about it and seemed to be the command and control and funding for the program and any law enforcement person asked under oath or not under oath comes backing and says this wasn't the right way to do it. why did they keep doing it? >> chris: you going to subpoena the attorney general to testify again? >> the judiciary committee on which i also serve in which the actual question got asked has invited him to come and clear the record. clearly he knew when said he didn't know. now, the question is what did he know and how is he going to explain why he gave that answer. >> chris: the attorney general sent you a letter along with other top officials. i want to go through some of his pushback.
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he acknowledges that several memos and here you can see them heavily redact. >> that is the way we usually get these, chris. >> chris: sent to his office as much as ten months earlier, not the few weeks before he testify in may of 2011. but he says and i want to put up his comments. do i not and cannot read them cover to cover. here no issues were brought to my attention because the information presented in the reports can not suggest a problem for criminal he is saying i didn't know about the problem and i certainly didn't know that we were letting guns walk. >> i will take him at his word but let's go back. judiciaryd before jew you committee that he didn't know about it until two weeks earlier. that is disingenuous on its face. clearly he had to know when brian was killed and everyone realized these were fast and furious weapons he had to know that something serious
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happened. if we assume for a moment he didn't know, the question s he confident? if in fact a border patrol agent murdered and 2,000 weapons gone and the program completely off the rails, why didn't he know? that is probably a more important question for the chief law enforcement officer is if lenny brewer knew. >> chris: one of the top. >> one of the top aides involved much earlier on and works in the same office. >> chris: holder points out the top officials review in april of 2010 just around the time he was first hearing of all this he writes and let's put it up. i'm aware that chairman issa said that he was not briefed on the unacceptable details of fast and furious. in other words, the fact that they were letting the guns walk. two questions, were you you briefed and not told. and secondly if it is true how do you know that he was also not told.
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>> he is quoting a story that he planted. the justice shopped around to the newspapers. having said that, i will answer it. we were looking into the drug problem. we asked for a briefing. we got a briefing including kenneth nelson. >> chris: of atf. >> one of the people that knew about the program but didn't know all of other things that he ultimately read in a still sealed wiretap that when read the wire stap and understood how much they knew this was deliberately letting bad guns go to the drug cartels he became sick to his stomach comprises so you are saying you weren't told about fast and furious and the gun walking. how do you know that he wasn't told? >> first it of all, it was concealed from us by the justice department. they were not allowed to know what kenneth nelson later knew and made his him sick to his stomach. atf is being told guns aren't
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geithnering to the bad guys. the whistle blower came forward when realized guns are getting to the bad guys. this is not about an operation that was supposed to trace guns. this is about justice department knowing and this is where the american people have a right to know more, knowing that these guns were deliberately intended to end up in the hands of the drug cartels without any kind of traceability except if you find the gun at the scene of a crime. that is the reason that this is a felony stupid and i use the word felony deliberately program. this should be criminal to let criminals have thousands of deadly weapons. >> chris: i have to point out because holder does in his letter the bush administration had a similar operation called operation wide receiver that also he says let guns walk. >> eric holder came in wanting to indict people from that administration. i think his standard of well, the other administration did it, too, is not so good.
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from what we can discover from wide receiver and we have subpoenas for those. very few weapons, very well traced. overhead observation and so on. what would you would think would happen if you let a weapon start to move where you trace it at every step. this they let the weapons go and never looked until they he showed up at the scene of brian's murder. >> chris: some of our republican colleagues called for a special prosecutor to look into holder's involvement. some called on holder to resign. do you join either of those? >> i have always taken the that the president peck picks e people he has full confidence in. whistling when it comes to a special prosecutor eric holder cannot investigate himself. congress is well underway of investigating this operation to find out what went wrong and honeys it and what we have to do in the future to make sure it can't happen again. it there is a special
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prosecutor to look at the narrow issue of top officials who and they would be political appointees that is a separate issue. our investigation along with senator grassle grassley has to the bottom of this sooner not later because the american people and the people in mexico don't trust their government right now. >> chris: turn to the other scandal, solyndra. the obama administration had a document dump late friday, hundreds of pages of e-mails. >> i don't know what it is about friday, chris. >> chris: all administrations to dominica it tobie do it, to. is your take from the document dump? >> they are trying to bury it into the weekend. just as the document dump a week earlier gave us the eric holder situation what we are finding is it isn't just solyndra. it is a pattern of these sorts of investments. you understand on the last day that the law was there, $4.57 billion was thrown into
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loans and one of the questions we have for the secretary is tell us why that last day somehow you had everything you needed and you didn't have this over a period of time before. the american people have a right to know that on those rare occasions in which their money is used to invest in private operations and if you will take bets on capitalism this is well vetted and well thought out and without political interferences. solyndra is a story of political interferences. picking winners and losers. quite frankly there were a lot of people giving to president obama's campaign but you also a question of why are we doing this and when a loan goes bad why is the government somehow coming in? coming in because a little more money will save the company or coming in for political purposes to cover up because they want to delay the in everybody visitable. which in the case of solyndra they were inevitably going bankrupt the last time they got
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money. >> chris: barack obama made no bones about it he wanted to support clean energy. there was an eagerness, an open part of the stimulus to support green clean energy programs. some would say there was a rush to judgment to put the money throughout without doing due you diligence. question, do you you have evidence of corruption that solyndra got a half billion dollars federal loan guarantee because of political connections. >> ifk i can explain where the problem gets bad. it is not the original loan. what there is, chris, is when they got in trouble and we went in and we the government went in in violation of congressional mandate and subordinated a loan, meaning put other creditors in a better position. >> chris: private creditors would get paid back on the bankruptcy. >> there is where the question happens. why did we breach the protocol that was required and do something that was strictly
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prohibited. that is where you start asking the questions. i have disagreements with the president on policies, particularly what he calls green energy. if a transit bus driver is trained to drive a diesel bus they call it a green job. at the same time, once a decision was made, my committee, unlike the energy and commerce khalid committee t looks at broader issues, looks at was process followed. the rule of law will guarantee even if we don't like the policy that it is done properly. this is where the ig will have additional problems and this is where, yes, we will look for political interferences because you have to ask why would we put the government at a disadvantage when we are putting in more money? mykonos sense. >> chris: you are saying you are not investigating the question of solyndra getting the loan. there is talk there was a big fundraiser for obama and a big
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investor in solyndra. you are looking at what was done at the sail end to try to shore up the company and investors at the expense of the taxpayers. >> the american people will judge the overall policy and how they picked winners and losers. this was a $500 million ear mark effectively by political appointees. something you hear about with congress but don't always hear about with the president. my view is my committee's jurisdiction and energy and commerce is doing a great job on this. my job is to find out how it doesn't happen again. i'm looking at a lot of others. >> chris: i want to pick up on this. only about a minute left. you say government shouldn't play venture capitalist and picking winners and losers but you sent several letters over the last couple of years to the federal energy department asking for federal loan guarantees for clean energy companies in your state. didn't you do the same thing that you are accusing them of doing? >> chris, it is a val rid question. here is the difference.
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every member of congress they almost weigh them send in and say i have got somebody in my district you should look at. a program i voted against. anding the ability to actually pick winners and losers which we don't have. >> chris: you were saying in the case of aptera that the federal energy department give them a loan guarantee. >> not give them a loan guarantee. it expired without them getting it. >> chris: i'm not saying you were successful. i'm just saying you try. >> the request was they have a loan application in, please give them a yes or no. that is a big difference. a lot of loans went in and people spent money processing and never heard. in the case of solyndra they contributed heavily to barack obama and got a loan and got it quickly and ex-podited. the e-mails show there was hurry all the way up to the vice president, we have to do
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it we are getting a lot of pressure. a big difference there. >> chris: thank you so much for coming in today and we will stay on o top of those stories, sir. >> up next work the gop presidential field apparently set we will talk to rick santorum, a candidate looking to make a move. [ female announcer ] so you think your kids are getting enough vegetables? yeah, maybe not. v8 v-fusion juice gives them a full serving of vegetables plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. v8. what's your number?
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>> chris: the republican presidential field firmed up this week with chris christie and sarah palin deciding to sit out the race. we continue our series of 2012 one on one interviews with someone looking to be that candidate, former senator rick santorum who comes to us from dallas. senator, you have spent more than 60 days this year in iowa which is almost double what any of the other candidates have spent and the conventional wisdom in that state is if any
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one is going to pull a huckabee come from long shot to win the iowa caucuses, t is you. what is your strategy? >> well, the strategy is to it go down and talk to the people of iowa and do town hall meetings. i have been to almost 70 counties of the 99 counties as you mentioned. we spent a lot of time there. i think we done almost 180 town hall type meetings. we are not hitting huge crowds but we are hitting the people who are the engine of the iowa caucuses and they are the folks that talk and have influence in their community and the fact that i have been in the community. being in some of the small counties pays a lot of dividends and obviously our plan is not to peak in june or july but in now january. we were hoping february but now january when the votes are counted. >> chris: you raised in the second quarter that ended in june, $582,000 by way of some pair son herman cain raised
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over $2 million. you have got a report your third quarter, the number that, the quarter that ended the end of september you a report your fund raising numbers this week. what is your number going to be? >> it is going to be a little more than that. but here is our fund raising number. we are cash positive. we are running a grass roots campaign. not spending a lot of money. i don't have a lot of overh head. i have no consultants and nobody telling me what to think or how to think it. we are running a grass roots campaign for president. we are cash positive and we can make our payrolls. in fact, we are doing very, very well in that regard and starting to build our staff. the last two and a half weeks of the quarter we raised more money than the previous two and a half months. we are on an uptick as a result of the fox news debate and the cnn debate where i was given a little bit more of an opportunity to share my ideas and get into some discussions with the other candidates and people are responding very, very well. we feel like we are beginning to gain traction just at the right time.
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>> chris: another problem you have got besides money and sounds like it will be some what tight for the rest of the year is that as you -- >> we have enough money to do what we need to do, chris. if you have a huge campaign and lots of consultants you need a lot of money. i don't. i try to be the candidate that is real and out there and not scripted and messaged by a scripts. >> chris: the 2012 primary calendar and the fact it has been moved up at least a month. let's look at the calendar. instead of starting in early february, iowa and new hampshire now moving to just after new year's and possibly, possibly the last week of december. christmas in des moines. you accuse mitt romney of trying to bully the early states in order to rig the election calendar. explain why is this mitt romney's fault? >> well, there are reports out
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of nevada that the romney people were in fact trying to bully, nevada, to move their primary up to force, iowa, new hampshire into the early part of the year. look, governor romney is not doing well in iowa. he is not spending much time there. he has put all of his eggs in the new hampshire basket and i think trying to force, iowa, into early -- excuse me, late this year is in a way to try to marginalize iowa as a primary and marginalize them and their impact on the system in order to put more weight on new hampshire. strategy that i think he is pursuing. obviously if you are not going to do well in the first primary states you want to minimalize it as much as possible. i think that is what he is doing. we believe we can do well in iowa and by the way, new hampshire and south carolina which we also spent a lot of time in. >> chris: it looks and i know it may be silly to even talk this way. two tickets in the republican primary race. one is for mitt romney and the
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other for the more conservative alternative to mitt romney and that is the ticket you are looking to punch. let me too g go through the rivals and ask why you think you deserve consideration and votes instead of them. governor rick perry. a decade of executive experience and a strong record as a job creator. why should a conservative pick you over rick perry? >> i think rick perry has a lot of questions to answer about his record in texas as to whether it has been consistently conservative and we have started to see that in the debate is the more people find out about his record on immigration and benefits to illegals in the country which he continues to support, his record on using executive authority to trump parental rights. these are not conservative things and again you look at my record. yes, i don't have the experience as a governor. but i have international security experience and if you are looking at the president the one thing he really needs to have where he has the real authority under the
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constitution is in national security. again, my record there is strong. there is no one who knows more and understands the problems particularly in the middle east and there has been a stronger friend of israel than i have been and again the track record on the national security side with my experience on the armed services committee for 8 years. i have got the record and that really compares very favorably with rick perry. >> chris: let me try to run through these a little more quickly with you. herman cain. nonpolitician which is an asset these days. businessman. and he has a clear economic plan. 999. >> i would say he is a nonpolitician because he lost races. he lost the race. i mean to go out and say i'm a nonpolitician because i failed is not necessarily the most compelling case to make when you want to try to win our first race as president of the united states against an incumbent president. i would say political experience coming from
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pennsylvania, winning two statewide elections one of those years where president bush lost the state by five i won it by six is a compelling narrative. as far as the economic plan i jabbed at herman saying i have got a zero zero zero plan. in other words, zero is better than nine when it comes to taxes and focused on an area of the economy that voters are concerned about and that is the manufacturing sector. eliminate the corporate tax for manufacturers and processors and eliminate the regulations and repel them when it comes to businesses that the obama administration put in place that cost over $100 million and zero out the tax for the $1.2 trillion of funds sitting overseas that manufacturers maided profits. we allow them to bring the money back to invest in america and that plant and equipment to grow sector of the economy. >> senator, do you think mormonism is a cult? >> no, i don't. >> chris: do you think that mitt romney contrary to what
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the pastor said at the values voter, do you think that mitt romney is a true christian? >> he says he is a christian. i believe he is. i'm not an expert on mormonism. every more none i know is a good and decent person and has great moral values and is by and large with the exception of harry reid, by and large pretty consistent in the values that i share and things i want to see happen to this country and that is what he should be judged on. >> chris: in the couple of minutes we have left i want to get into one last issue with you and that is i want to discuss the last fox debate in which a gay soldier got up at the debate on video and asked whether or not as president you would rein state don't ask don't tell. here is what you said to him. >> any type of sexual activity has no place in the military and the fact they are making a point to include it as a provision within the military that we will recognize a group
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of people and give them a special privilege and removing don't ask don't tell i think tries to inject social policy into the military he. senator, you say sexual activity has no place in the activity. heterosexuals have been openly heterosexual for centuries in the military without any problems and you talk about gays not being given or that they shouldn't be given special privilege. all that don't ask don't tell or the repeal does says that they are given the same rights that everybody else has had forever. >> the problem is that sexual activity with people who you are in close quarters with who happen to be the same sex is different than having a discussion and being open about your sexual activity where there is -- you are not in the same situation. you are talking about injecting as i said before. >> chris: are you saying you think that homosexual gay soldiers are going to sit there
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and go after their male counter parts in the bar racks? >> i didn't suggest that. >> chris: you said they are in close proximity. >> they are in closed quarters. they live with people. they obviously shower with people. the whole kinds of, all of the things that are involved and living in a barracks or living out in the field, those are issues that, again, some people, you are snot talking about that individual person but talking about the ability for the people to have the cohesion and work together in an efficient fighting way and obviously and also by the way the effect on retention and recruitment of people to live in that environment. and, yes, there are people who would feel uncomfortable in that environment and as a result it could hurt our ability to retain and recruit and put the best fighting force in place. as i said before, chris, that has no. >> chris: if i may follow up because we are running out of time. you say don't inject social policy into the military. their job is to fight and
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defend. i want to put up a quote for you. the army is not a social yes logical laboratory experimenting with army policy especially in a time of war would pose a danger to efficiency and morale and result in ultimate defeat. does that sound about right, sir? >> roughly, yes. >> that is a quote from colonel eugene householder who was in the army general's office in 1941 arguing against racial ialerexpectations of the integration of the military. >> it is different. we are talking about people who are simply different because of the color of their skin not because of activities that would cause problems for people living in the closed quarters. it is a different thing. >> chris: senator, i read colonel householder's comments yesterday. everything that you said, living in close proximity,
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sharing bunks and showers, being in close proximity emity. he used exactly the same arguments you use to argue against racial integration of the military in the 1940s. >> i understand that and i know the whole gay commune sit trying to make this the new civil rights act. it is not the same. you are black by the color of your skin. you are not homosexual necessarily by obviously by the color of our skin or anything else. it is by a variety of. >> chris: it as fact of your biology. obviously it is one thing if somebody, you know is, coming on to somebody in a room. but the sheer fact that somebody is a homosexual. these are all volunteers to protect our country,. >> they are all volunteers and they don't have to join in a place that they don't feel comfortable serving with people because of this issue and that is the problem, chris. the idea that somehow you or another this is the equivalent
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and that being black and being gay is the same, it is simply not true. there are all sorts of studies out there that suggest just the contrary and there are people who were gay and lived the gay lifestyle and aren't any more. i don't know if that is the similar situation. i don't think that is the case with anybody that is black. it is not the same and i know people try to make it the same but it is not. it is behavioral issue as opposed to a color of the skin issue and that makes it all the difference when it comes to serving in the military. >> we have to leave this there. thank you so much for talking with us today. safe travels on the campaign trail, sir. >> thank you. >> chris: up next, the occupy wall street protests spread across the country. we will ask our sunday panel if this is the left's answer to the tea party movement. almost tastes like one of jack's als. fiber one. h, forgot jack cereal. [ jack ] what's for breakfast? um... try the number one!
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these are people you feel that their future has been
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foreclosed. it has been stolen from them. >> our country is being taken over bay small minority of people who rig the system. >> chris: some of the occupy wall street protesters explaining why they have spent weeks camped out in lower manhattan and now cities across the country. time for our sunday group. brit hume, fox news senior political analyst. a.b. stoddard of the hill newspaper. bill kristol of the weekly standard and fox news political analyst juan williams. the number of protesters, quite frankly still small but growing in manhattan and it is spreading in cities across the country and seems to be growing as labor unions join in. what do you make of occupy wall street? >> hard to make anything of it yet. i think it is risky for democratic politicians to align themselves closely with the mosquement. although it has something in
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common with the tea party movement which proved to be a prudent political force in the sense that both groups objected to the big bailouts. i think it is a different type of demonstration we are seeing. this group for example one of the offshoots was here in washington yesterday and got into a scuffle outside the air and space museum with authorities and they had to shut the place down. is the kind of thing that most americans will take a dim view of and if that becomes if there is more of that, there has been disruption and san tax increases issues in new york. this is the kind of thing that will turn ordinary voters off and this of when i say it is per religionous for the democrats in congress and elsewhere to align themselves with the move innocent. >> we the get into more of the politics in a moment. just as you see this demonstration and it is getting a lot of coverage, maybe more than it deserves for the mainstream media, it is an
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interesting development around the country and i think talking about, what do you make of it? what is going on here? >> the sort of protest era has returned and as we continue in a troubled economy that doesn't look like it is going to improve very quickly and our government hopefully is going to attack this debt crisis head on we are going to see cuts to spending and cuts to services and we are going to see more protests, i think. i anticipate this will grow. i do agree i don't see it going anywhere. they don't have a list of demands. they don't have a leader. >> chris: dineither did the tea party have a lead. ended up in its goal to cut government moving the republican party way to the right and the democratic party to the right. i don't see the occupy wall street movement actually changing minds now in corporate board rooms or are in corporal committees and moving the parties to the left. >> chris: letts talk about the reaction in washington which
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has been been interesting. the president seemed to walk kind of a tight rope. he empathized with the movement but carefully refrained from supporting it. on the other hand, eric holder called them mobs. let's watch. >> believe it or not, some in this town have actually con doaned the pitting of -- eric cantor. >> chris: what do you think of how the two parties are portraying this? >> i think they should be quiet. they hate the current regulation of wall street which is being governed by a law called dodd frank. lost i looked dodd was a democratic nor. so i would say republicans should step aside and let the left fight this out. who ho knew the left was suffering from such tea party envy. they want their own tea party.
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they need the energy. weren't we told a few you weeks or go or a few months ago the tea party is a bunch of extremists and going to it destroy the republican committee and now they realized the tea party strengthened conservativism many and wish any had their own version of it. what did they do in 2009 and 2010? elected people or defeated people that didn't win in the general. they had real electoral clout. they need to defeat senator gillibrand in new york or -- >> chris: and move the party to the left. >> otherwise it is just talk. they need to have an electoral strategy. >> chris: i have a feeling that bill kristol will not be on the board of advisors of occupy wall street. how do you compare this movement to the tea party? and could about t. be, i think we agree the tea party became a
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big enenergiesing grass roots movement that helped the party. could this be -- >> there has been an enthusiasm gap and what you get with occupy wall street is the far left for the first time since the obama campaign of 08 now organizing and putting themselves out in an aggressive way get the media coverage. something is wrong and these are people on the left finally coming together. i think they are far more organic and the kind of direct male groups that were the initial creators of the tea party. it is going to continue now to the tremendous benefit of president obama and the democrats this comes at the start of the 2012 election year. now, they are out this on their own and it is a dynamic changing the conversation instead of it being about republicans pushing obama to the right now you have groups discontented with president
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obama and pushing him tote left. >> chris: a lot of the pro he testers don't like president obama very much. he oversaw the bailout which they hate. his justice department has not put a single one of these big financial people in jail. they are not real happy as bill suggests with barack obama and the democrats. >> it is really hard for me to see how this movement helps the democrats because as on juan points out it represents the far left. the far left commands only a tiny fraction of public support in this country. what is important about the tea party was that on the issues the tea party people were complaining about, those werish issues that middle americans and centrist voters identified with. i don't think the message from the left and the characters we see associated with this movement so far are likely to stimulate much support from
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i don't think they are better off than they were four years ago. they are not better that you than they were before lehman's collapse or the financial crisis or this extraordinary recession we are going through. >> chris: president obama with a startling admission this week if he had to answer the famous ronald reagan question whether things have improved on his watch, his answer would be no. the numbers for last month. a net of 103,000 jobs created but the unemployment rate stays unchanged at 9.1%.
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a.b., most economists say at least we are not sliding back into a recession. do you agree? >> good news and bad. not in free for all and cause for complete panic but you still not enough to keep up with the population growth. terrible long-term unemployed and terrible underemployment. not exactly good news for president obama who has now pivoted to a the situation is grim and i'm the underdog campaign message. he will run on the fact that the economy is on the september the cliff and if republicans on don't help him it will go over the cliff. the problem of addressing the unemployment unchanged at 9.1 which is going dog him we all expect into next fall is that his own democrats are willing to push this. all you need to know is that the democrats not rallying around his job plan.
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there are senators up for reelection who do not want this to come up for a vote and that is why their leader won't schedule one. >> chris: the president held a news conference the day before the unemployment numbers came out and continued to push for his house plan and house speaker boehner speaks. >> if congress does something i can't run against a do nothing congress. >> nothing has disappointed me more than what happened over the last five weeks. to watch the president of the united states give up and governing, give up on leading and spend full-time campaigning. >> chris: bill, where does the obama jobs plan stand now and isn't a.b. right that the president's effort to try to make this an issue against republicans is hurt by the fact that so many senate democrats aren't on board with the plan themselves? >> and they are not on board with the plan.
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it is not a jobs plan. it is a tax hike and spending plan and some temporary tax cuts. that is the part he is tauting but they are temporary. i think the republicans run very little risk in say doing you want to increase the deference visit from 1.2 trillioned to $1.5 trillion. temporary tax cuts haven't worked and a big increase on small business that have the money to invest i think it is easy to oppose it. i think republicans should be more proactive in proposing longer term remedy is. they proposed them a few times but rob portman may introduce a bill that puts them in the right place. and then this will all be overtaken when the supercommittee reports in november. i mean this is all sparring. the one moment where there could be serious legislative action on spending and taxes is november/december. >> chris: juan, the president as we have been alluding to is
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pushing a more populous line but a lot of democrats say he doesn't fit because he comes off as the cool professor rather than the firey populous. others saying others populous like, due accountabilit dukaki. is this a good strategy for him? >> a great strategy. look at the absolute numbers. i think the abc washington post poll has 52% of americans say they want the president's job bill passed. 52%. and when you ask people about class warfare which is what you hear from republicans people say this actually is important. it is a healing thing that is bringing the country together. i think that was a fox poll, 56%. so in terms of numbers if we are just looking at it strategically there is positive archments we made. levels of inequality the sense that wall street got the
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bailout and theyville big christmas bonuses, that is real. the president is now capitalizing it. people say there is no chance the jobs bill will be taxed. democrats are saying they should tax the millionaires. a 5.6% tax on people that make more than a million dollars. overwhelming support for this from the american people. >> i think you need to step back from the immediate skirmish over the jobs bill which is going no where and look at what the president is trying to get people to do. he is trying to get them to say, yeah, mr. president, we know your job was to fix the economy and you really didn't do it. and, yes, we know you tried with the stimulus bill that as far as we can tell didn't work and we didn't like the composition of anyway and, yes, mr. president, we know that you turned your attention then away from the economy to pass a healthcare reform plan that we didn't like either. we will forgive you for all of that because you now proposed a stimulus bill about half the
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size of the one that we don't think worked and you are pounding on congress to pass it. they will also say if it doesn't pass we will not hold you responsible. we will bring the congress. one half of which your party controls. if that is a winning message than everything i ever knew about politics is wrong. >> i think i will agree with bill that the republicans would be well served to back away from the wall street protests and to associate themselves -- >> republicans? >> back away from criticizing the protests and associate themselves with the frustration out there over unemployment and they should come up with their own plan and say pass this jobs bill now. it is too much answering back to the president. they should be more proactive on jobs. they came home from the summer recess after the debt ceiling debate which was injurious to them in the polls and came back committed to start talking about an aggressive employment
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agenda and they have gotten caught up in the sparring again and they are not looking like they are focused on jobs and i think they should be. >> a little more than 30 seconds left. how does he run for rise ooze election when has admitted that, particularly if the opponent is somebody as mainstream as mitt romney. >> he says look, you know what, he came, in the american people are not stupid. we have been trying aggressively. money has been spent. look at what the c.b.o. said. lowered unemployment and i'm putting all the measures in place. all the congress says to me is no and i'm saying to you, yes. >> chris: very well stated and the gong did not go off. thanks, panel. see you next week. check out panel plus where our group picks up with the discussion on up next, our power player of
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try the #1 gastroenterologist recommended probiotic. align. >> chris: too soon we hold our profession lastly as role models but we want to tell you one that is. here is our power player of the week. >> it's an exciting time. new baby boy that we're going to be so proud of and trying to make a football team and national football league. >> he is talking about when he was drafted by the washington
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redskins with you when mica was born prematurely something was wrong. the excitement turned to fear. >> to find out that mica had an ered disease. >> in stage doesn't sound good? >> no, it wasn't. there were a lot of questions at that point. >> he almost had total kidney failure. he had was put on powerful drugs and dialysis while he became an important part of the redskins. >>. >> chris: how was it to balance tease these issues, the most competitive environment in the world. >> our faith in god kept us together. my wife is a nurse. that gave me confidence. she knew what was going on. >> chris: finally mica was big enough to have a kidney transplant. his mom was a match. >> it was very difficult in the pre-operating room and knowing that both my wife and my child were going under.
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>> chris: we'll get back to mica in a moment. even though his disease was not preventable his dad decided to take on the cause. >> i'm a professional athlete and i never knew how important kidneys are to your health. >> chris: 26 million americans suffer from chronic kidney disease. more than 80,000 are waiting for a transplant and much simplify preventable. >> reid's message is to use his standing to spread awareness to get people to go for early screening. >> i'm hoping it will catch their eye, they'll say i know that name, my dad had diabetes, maybe i need to get tested. >> which brings us back to mica. questioned any transplant was a complete success. he is healthy and happy. >> he is riding his scooter around.
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he does all the things that five-year-olds do. that is the most exciting thing. >> chris: you can see he likes to go counsel snowy hills with are very big bumps. they are doing well. mica has two little brothers and reed has settled in as a valued team leader on the redskins. >> chris: as you look back on the extraordinary five years, do you think to yourself how many hurdles you've had to overcome our lucky you are? >> i think both. i think i'm blessed to have gone through so many situations to still do to be able to what i love to do and go through that adverse it i feel blessed. >> chris: little any ca isn't out of the woods yet. kidney transplants can last up to 20 years but between medical advances and lots of loving care mica will live a long life. that is it for today. have a great week
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