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how much time is he spending there? >> he doesn't have much of an organizationgy think herman cain is as surprised by this washington. coming up next, "fox news boomlet as any one. i spent a lot of time in iowa and new hampshire and we don't captioned by closed captioning services, inc. find herman cain there at all. >> chris: i'm chris wallace. has not been in iowa since the there may be more jobs plans day of the straw poll. than actual jobs coming out of not in south carolina or new a divided washington these hampshire. days. he is basically in tennessee. can all sides agree on anything he in houston giving a speech. he is on a book tour. to help get america back to now, h his campaign is sort of reassessing things. work? we'll ask a top republican many he is hiring new people. they are trying to do what they democrats blame for blocking their ideas. can to take advantage of this house majority leader eric moment. but he is very popular. cantor in a "fox news sunday" throughout all of these debates exclusive. then, iran's alleged plot to i think and he has presented kill a saudi diplomat here in himself that he has a common sense approach. washington. he's likeable. how should the u.s. respond? i think some people are is military action likely? advising him to come to iowa, we'll discuss what happens now come to new hampshire right now with the chairman of the senate and it is possible to actually intelligence committee, diane make something out of this. for now we'll see how he adapts feinstein. to that. he is at this point not a plus, 2012 politics. herman cain soars. serious candidate in the sense mitt romney holds steady. of, you know, being organized rick perry stumbles. we'll ask our sunday panel
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where we stand in the gop in places to actually win the presidential race. and our power player of the iowa caucuses. week holds the keys to our >> chris: which raises the national treasures. question, bill, is there a different model this year? all right now on "fox news sunday." i mean could it be that, you know, i mea i mean cain has sud and hello again from fox news all of us with his popularity in washington. with the economy stalled and and ability to make an impact with the republican voters. washington deadlocked we begin possible to do it with debates today with whether our government will do anything to and national appearances and help get americans back to work. joining us now, house majority debates and social media and don't have to spend a lot of leader eric can't are one of the key figures pushing the time in these states? republican agenda and congressman cantor, welcome >> look, if you are on fox news or other networks, even, to a back to "fox news sunday." >> good to be here is, chris. lesser degree, more people in >> president obama and the democrats are portraying you iowa see you when you do a hit these days as the face of on fox news than when you show republican obstructionism up in a living room in iowa. repeatedly, calling you out by >> chris: what about the name. argument. >> at end of the day you have >> i would like mr. can'ter to to show up. come down here to class and people want to see you. explain what exactly in the >> chris: the care and tending of these -- jobs bill does he not believe >> he is going to do that. he is speaking next saturday in. night at a big conservative what exactly is he opposed to? dinner in iowa.
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>> chris: we'll get into the changed the schedule to do question of what you oppose in the obama jobs bill and what that. not whether you can ought it you support in a moment. speaking generally, how do you all together is a question. feel about being the new but he has been shrewd so far. political villain according to the democrats? >> chris: let's turn to >> well, you know, i guess a governor rick perry who as we lot of the folks on the other have noted has dropped like a side of the aisle want to boil stone in the polls from the this down to personality and it is really not about that. 30s down into the teens. he announced a big plan on the differences that we have friday to boost domestic energy with this president are are and said that would create over policy based and we know in a million jobs. can he come back? this town, chris, there is a lot of differences right now >> sure. i think perry can come back. and i think the people this and i think i couldn't count him out entirely. oftry want to see us try and i did feel like the energy set aside the differences and come together on the things we plan -- he has been just can agree on. consistently sort of tone deaf we agree that the economy is recently and there was something about putting forward an energy plan rather than a woefully weak. we agree there is too much broader jobs plan that struck income disparity in this me as he has just been a little country. we believe that everyone ought bit too much governor of texas to be lifted up and we ought to and has got than criticism be working on the policies that repeatedly that he doesn't seem help that happen which is to to be speaking to a national focus on small businesses and audience in the way that other that is what we are trying to candidates have been and even do going forward. the energy plan right away >> chris: break it down and other candidates were talk specifics. criticizing him for essentially
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look at the president's jobs plan which was blocked in the ripping off their plans. senate this week. here it is. gingrich and bachmann came out 245 billion north dakota tax cuts and incentives. right away. i was surprised in the last $140 billion in new spending on debate he didn't come forward with concrete economic infrastructure and aid to states. proposals. 62 billion north dakota aid to >> chris: this was debate the unemployed. purely about economics and he was sitting there saying i'm question -- $62 billion in aid to the unemployed. not going to give it to you. >> nobody is expecting verbal >> the plan was met with a lot of resistance on both sides of tex tarity. in thdexterity. the ail frankly when the president unveiled it in september. when the president spoke i said let's stop the all or nothing >> it is surprising to me that approach. he hasn't come up with we will not be for tax increases on small businesses, something broader and more he knows that. specific. the senate just killed the bill >> chris: liz cheney let's talk this week. we have said since the beginning. about former massachusetts when the president has come to governor mitt romney. my district i said again and chris christie endorsed him. again, mr. president, we want to work with you. it seems with christie not we have got our plan here. this is a plan for america's getting in the race and perry job creators. fading at least temporarily we have 12 bills sitting over much of the republican establishment has decided to in the senate that they are back him, romney but you things that the president says continue to see this disconnect he believes in. let's work together and find where all of the insiders say the things in his plan that we he will he the inevitable agree with and let's go ahead
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and do that for the american nominee and not polls he can't get above 25-30%. people. >> chris: we'll get to the how does he connect with the republican plan and i agree there is a plan and we will get voters and persuade them you to that in a moment. but you you say that there are can trust me and i will be a parts of the obama plan that good representative of this you can support. party as the nominee? like what? >> i think the polls themselves >> well, i mean this week was at this point don't really mean that much frankly. indicative of how we can come i think that governor romney together. we passed three big trade bills has been very impress nerve the that have been over five years debates. i don't think you can say any in the making. we have a 3% withholding bill one of the candidates frankly that we are going to bring up at this point has managed to in another week to help small business in the way they consolidate support across the conduct their businesses with any government. board. is fascinating is how important we also have bills coming the debates have been. forward, the president says he they have been very important in terms of governor romney's supports, to help small ability to lay out his plans businesses access financing and capital so they can begin to and important because they have given a platform for people grow and create jobs. like cain and gingrich and the president talks a lot about the need for unemployment santorum. number of folks on our side who insurance reform. benefited from them. we had 245 in our plan, chris, since two years ago. i also think it is important and what you see in the rise of when we were in the minority, someone like cain is ideas and leader boehner and i went to the president and presented him the fact that the voters are with a no cost jobs plan. hungry. they are hungry for bold change we said we can could these things, let's work together and and when herman cain has got set aside the all or nothing his -9d 9 999 plan, surely peoe
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approach that the president continues to go out across the country and campaign about. will shot at it and say it has >> chris: let's talk about the big parts of the obama plan. got flaws. $100 billion in new spending on i think it is an interesting roads, bridges and schools. plan. shows the appearance site out there for somebody who is not for it or against it? >> we believe there is a need obama and for somebody who will help to support the private for infrastructure spending in sector and in fact willing to the country, absolutely. propose radical change. what you have got to look at is >> chris: i want to get into the president has gone across the country and found bridges one last thing in this segment and roads where he says see, and that is the third quarter this is why we need spending fund raising efforts are out. and i think what that does is perry and romney lead the field remind people that the stimulus by a wide margin. bill that he created and passed didn't address the problems. the first number is what they received in the first quarter. there is a reason. can we go back or is that going because the process of approvals is so weighed down create some huge problem? there you go. wow, we were able to do it. and the bureaucratic red tape the first number is white is how much they received and the other is how much cash on hand so thick you can't get the as of the end of the month and money to the jobs. romney and perry in the teens we said let's reform the system and redo the permitting process and the millions. a big dropoff. to get the shovel ready jobs and now let's go to the last that he speaks about the money that they need. three, huntsman, gingrich and so absolutely. >> chris: if you could get the santorum running on fumes. repermitting and taking some of the red tape and cutting it would you go for the huntsman and gingrich campaigns $100 billion in infrastructure actually in debt.
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new spending? >> what we want to see is we that actually overstates how much money they have. want to see the state set what do you read from the asides done away with right numbers, and could some of the candidates drop out before iowa now. when states have money they come from the federal programs, and new hampshire. >> i think it is possible. they are required to set aside 10% of those funds for projects the most important to take away from the numbers is rick perry that really are not priority. is in the case to stay. bike paths and others that are a serious candidate. nice things but frankly right for all our discussions about now the infrastructure of the he didn't do well in the country needs to be dealt with. debates he will have money to prosecute the arguments in it is about reform, chris. television ads. yes, we are for infrastructure he is popular on the stump. people want to look him. his $15 million cash on hand is spending but it bas is about a very important number and that is one thing that scares the romney campaign. reforming the system. >> you were saying you feel because the debates have -- >> chris: what about $35 billion for states so they with the last debate for awhile don't have to lay off teachers, police, firefighters. >> here we go again. exercise this coming tuesday we this is the type of moneys and are entering a new face. these are the type of programs that the president advocated in >> i think we will see voters the stimulus program. i think the country understands spent a couple of of months for washington doesn't create jobs. absorbing all these things. we believe in private absurd to think that rick perry enterprise. we believe the way you get the is still not in this case. economy going again is to focus people want to like him and i on the businesses of this think the next couple of months through october and in november country every one of which we'll see a different rick started with an entrepreneur
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perry. >> chris: with fewer debates and more campaign advertisements and appearances making a decision to invest where you you can control your time and money and create jobs own messages. and create an ongoing concern. >> exactly. >> chris: we have to take a we need that kind of activity. break up. up next, jobs, the that is priority right now. we saw what happened with the supercommittee and the first stimulus money. crack at obama care. much went to the states and you we'll tackle it all when we know what happened, it sustained some jobs for about a come right back. year and then the states were faced with billions of dollars in debt once the year was over with. >> chris: i get the sense and forgive me if i'm wrong i don't want to put words in your mouth. you don't want to be portrayed alps an obstructionist but basically you oppose the obama plan. the senate plan would be for millionaires and billionaires. some of small businesses. talking about people making over a million dollars a year. >> when i spoke to a small business woman in my hometown of richmond, and she told me, you know, it is hard for me to
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conduct business right now and she said why are you talking about raising taxes in washington because i want to be one of those successful business people she said. she said why is it that you want to go in and take away the kind of hope that i have to be successful. we know this this country right now there is a complaint about folks at the top end of the income scales that they make too much and too much don't make enough. we need to encourage those at the top of the income scale to put their money to work to create more jobs so we can see a closing of the gap. we are about income mobility and that is what we should be focused on to take care of the income disparity in this country. >> let's talk, i know you brought it here. the president has repeatedly said republicans don't have an economic plan. in fact, you have got it right there. the house introduced a jobs plan last may. let's break it down. review and roll back costly
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regulations. cut the top corporate and individual tax rate to 25%. cut trillions in spending. why is that a better way to create jobs? >> well, we have seen that the other way doesn't work. we have seen the stimulus bill that the president put forward in the beginning of his term. i think certainly did not reach the promises that he made. there is soo many people unemployed in this country. we believe in private enterprise. we believe in small business. our job creators agenda is just that. we want the president to work with us. we want him to stop the campaigning. let's go find the things that are in common between this plan and his. and in fact, chris, i think you will see us within the next month we will take portions of this plan that match up with his, put them across the floor to help small businesses. >> chris: here is the issue. the president points out that moody analytics, one of the top economic consulting firms scored his plan, figured what impact it would have and says it would add 1.9 million jobs
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next year and grow the city by an additional 2%. and he issued this challenge. listen. >> show us the republican jobs plan that independent economists would indicate would actually put people back to work. i haven't yet seen it. >> chris: congressman cantor, do you have an independent analysis that shows how this plan would grow the economy and add jobs? >> first of all, i would say as to the moody's economists that the president speaks to they and their chief economist was the one that predicted that the stimulus program would keep unemployment from rising above 8%. >> chris: i'm urging members of i think we need to raise some congress to vote on putting questions about -- hundreds of thousands of teachers back in the classroom. >> chris: in fairness, first of all, he was an economic advisor cops back on the streets. to john mccain in 2008, mark and firefighters back on the job. and if they vote no on that, they will have to tell you why. zandi and a lot of the private economic firms say whether it >> the president needs to come is 1% or 2% growth, a million off the campaign trail and get jobs, 2 million jobs, that it to work. >> chris: president obama and house republican whip kevin would have some stimulative
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mccarthy on the policy and effect. do you have independent scoring politics of jump starting the of what your plan does? economy. we are back with the panel. >> we put forward a plan at the as we talked about, the obama beginning of the year, our budget, okay. and we had independent jobs plan as a whole was blocked in the senate this week and the idea of democrats now congressional budget office scoring which did several is to break it up into smaller things. talked about the fact that our pieces and introduce them, you plan actually dealt with the heard this one about aid to the one crisis bringing down the states to keep first responders debt and deficit over and teachers on the payroll and $6 trillion. and it did talk about the ability for our plan to grow let republicans block them and new jobs, yes. so we have got that kind of make an issue out of it. obviously isn't going to get anybody back to work, any analysis. >> chris: but you don't on this jobs plan? actual people to get new jobs >> what this jobs plan is taking pieces of our overall but is it smart politics for the democrats? vision for this country and saying you know what, we have >> most of my conservative got to provid provide incentivr friends think obama is fed the private sector to grow. look at the facts, chris. lailing and it is ridiculous since the president has taken what he is trying to do. office there has been unless he is going to fire ben 1.6 million jobs lost in the bernanke tomorrow and fix the private sector net. ridiculous fed policy et cetera we have also seen the fact that he is stuck with the policy so 7.5 million foreclosures during houset try to blame mouse this president's term. obviously his economic plans republicans. are not working. at the end of the day, luckily that is why we are trying to for republicans, house
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republicans won't be on the say we have got to change ballot. it will be a presidential directions here. nominee who will not be a we have to focus on private member of congress. enterprise and small business. romney, cain, gingrich, we have to get the santorum, perry. entrepreneurs back in the game they are not in congress now. that is what our plan does. >> let me point out what mark a little hard i think for obama to win reelection against a republican congress but given zandi and you raised legitimate questions about him because the alternatives i don't think it is entirely foolish to like most analysts, he is not always right. attack them and i do think it is important that the here is what he says about your republican nominees make it a proposals. generally good longer term debate about the overall economy and about obama care economic policy but won't mean for example than the narrow much for the economy and job debate on particular who is market in the next year. cutting a little more here or >> there is a lot of dispute voting for this jobs program about mark zandi and his there. >> chris: liz, what is your predictions because of the results of the stimulus plan sense, does a significant, i'm that he lauded. not talking about individual little pieces but a significant >> chris: the argument is that jobs plan get passed by if you don't have a lot of congress this year either immediate spending and look, through normal channels or at are i agree, it didn't work part of the supercommittee's well in stimulus one but the argument is if you don't have work? >> i don't think so. some spending and some it doesn't look good and even immediate tax relief, that you watching your interview cantor are not going stimulate jobs in this morning they always now want to express their the short-term. bipartisan willingness to come
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>> that the kind of cutting back regulations and lowering together but then he wasn't in taxes is really good long-term favor of any of the specific provisions in obama's jobs bill economics but might not give a that obama had specifically put short-term boost to the in there to appeal to economy. >> we believe the best way is republicans. to provide incentives for he didn't actually really offer support for any of them this investment to create jobs. morning. we are for tax relief for small and the fundamental problem for business and we believe and agree with the president that republicans of course, it is not that they necessarily business expensing is something that we can provide disagree with some of the provisions like extending the entrepreneurs right now and you will see us bring a bill payroll tax cut but it is how forward. hopefully the president agree you pay for it. time and time again the problem that comes up in congress is to work with us. republicans do not want to he is actually talking about raise taxes under any joining us in the in create circumstances and democrats are saying they want to pay for jobsmental approaches rather these things by raising taxes. than the all or nothing plan that died. the millionaire surtax which wasn't part of the original plan is also good politics >> chris: just a little over a month, november 23 is the because the republicans don't have an answer for that. deadline for the supercommittee >> chris: liz, let's talk about to come up with 1.2 trillion the supercommittee which as i in deficit reduction. was pointing out with eric cantor, the clock is ticking. do you think they will work out started in august and now we a deal and avoid the automatic are in mid october. they have a month, november 23 triggers that will include to come up with a deal, $600 billion in more pentagon 1.2 trillion north dakota deficit reduction cuts. >> i do think that the joint
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select committee is going to be whether -- $.2 trillion in successful in reaching the goal deficit reduction whether of getting at least spending cuts, tax increases $1.2 trillion in cuts and in whatever. fact, chris, i served on the or you end up with $600 billion biden discussions and so the more in cuts to the pentagon. vice president's credit it that leon panetta says that would be was committee that produced a a threat to national security. do they make a deal or do we blueprint that i think can form the basis to getting to the end up with the triggers? >> i think the odds are that we will have a deal. cuts. >> chris: you are confident the one of the places where you supercommittee can make a deal? have got bipartisan agreement for example is that the >> we can't fail. there has to be success and triggered cuts in the defense outcome here. budget would be devastating. >> chris: i want to talk you back to your remarks a week ago leon pa net that said it would about occupy wall street. here they are. be the equivalent of shooting >> iowa fo i for one am ourselves in the head. i think that the republicans have actually put forward a increasingly concerned about response on the issue of the millionaire's tax which is the the growing mobs occupying wall notion that you you have got street and the other cities across the country. the vast majority of small >> chris: congressman, do you businesses in the country pay stand by that comment about taxes as individuals at the highest tax rates and those are mobs? and what do you think of the the job creators. effort by the obama white house i think, you know, we have got and the democrats to try to the supercommittee that will harness the energy, the get something done, we will avoid triggers but it will only movement here as part of their be part of what has to happen here. the rest has got to be a set of reelection effort? policies put in place by a new
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>> chris, i think more important than my use of that president that understands that word is the fact that there is you have got to get the private sector going again. growing frustration out there i think in terms of president across this country and it is obama what he is doing warranted. too many people are out of politically he may think makes work. sense. but where i'm most concerned is i think it is actually scarier we have elected leaders in this than that, though. i think he really believes it town who, frankly, are joining and i think that he has now put in an effort to blame others forward some policies that rather than focusing on the aren't working economically and policies that have brought not working for him politically about the current situation. you have to say it must be i mean when you hear some of ideology and must be that he the democratic elected leaders really believes in rebuke joining in blaming parts of our redistribution of the wealth economy and society versus let's take some of the credit or blame here in washington, i and. i think it is something new mean these are policies that than we have seen from a they put into place and there president in a long time and i think it is very concerning. is a lot that can be done here in this town to turn the >> chris: jeff, let me get to one other interesting development this week. economy around and promote obama care, late friday the again incomability not go in obama administration announced it is abee abandoning scrapping and excoriate some who have been successful. we want success for everybody. class, class which was going be a program to offer long-term >> chris: congressman cantor, thank you for coming in today and always a pleasure to talk insurance to offer insurance
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with you, sir. for long-term care because they said the numbers just don't add >> chris, thanks. up, it is unworkable financially. >> chris: up next, we talk with how significant is that? diane feinstein, chairman of >> i think it is symbolically the senate intelligence significant because it is one committee, when we come right more piece of the healthcare committee, when we come right back. [ male announcer ] the real power in these tools isn't just the motor. plan that will not be there. i'm not sure -- this was an idea supported by senator kennedy. i think if he was still alive there probably would have been a way to keep this in and, of course, everything would have changed. overall itless not affecting the broader national healthcare plan but symbolically probably more important because it is just one more piece of hard evidence that this perhaps was not such a good idea overall. it leaves most of the law in place obviously. >> chris: here is the one aspect that i think was interesting, bill. it's the potential class was supposed to cut the deficit by $86 billion over the to turn plans into projects and rooms into remodels. next ten years and talk about a bookkeeping trick. it's the freedom to turn a single lithium battery the way they did it was that the premiums were going to start and for five years you into hours of doing. would have to pay into the with guaranteed low prices on the names we know program but no benefits with
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and friends in orange with all we need to know, come out. obviously if all of the money is coming in and none is going let's unleash the raw power of possibility. out. if you take that away, that was more saving. more doing. most of the deficit reduction that's the power of the home depot. that all of obama care was going to provide the next ten get a free ridgid hyper-lithium battery worth up to 99 bucks years. if that is gone you almost have with select ridgid cordless tools. no deficit reduction. >> and a lot of the rest of the what's in the mail? deficit reduction is smoke and well, it just might surprise you. mirrors i believe and it is easy to show. because this is how people and business connect. they need to say we need to repeal obama care and get back feeling safe and secure that important letters and to stressing the importance of information don't get lost in thin air. repealing obama care. one thing president obama can't or disappear with a click. pivot on. can he blame the republican but are delivered. house for not creating jobs and from person to person. and, sometimes, even face to face. blame other people for other things. have a great day. the republican ares are going you too. to run on repealing it but need for some of the best ways to connect and protect... to really highlight how it's all in the mail. damaging obama care is both to learn more at the healthcare system and to the federal budget and the economy. one thing as we say, president obama it is his greatest achievement but he is stuck with it. >> chris: what about romney if he is the nominee? >> more than others needs to do this. >> chris: how persuasive is t?
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>> i which he would defend it a little less forcefully. whatever he did then. voters think as president of the united states mitt romney will repeal obama care. i think the way to take care of his healthcare problem is to be more aggressive on obama care and more aggressive on medicare reform. >> chris: thank you, panel. see you all next week. check out panel plus where our group picks up with the discussion on our website we will post the video before noon eastern time. time for mints you posted to our blog -- time for comments you posted to our blog about my interview with gop presidential hopeful rick santorum last sunday. many of you were unhappy when i compared about how people feel with gays in the military now with about how some felt in the 1940s about identity greating the armed forces. phillip wrote it was poor journalism.
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please keep comments coming. you can find us at up next, our power player of the week. >> chris: it was stunning news this week, elements of the iranian government planned to assassinate the saudi ambassador here in washington. joining us to discuss the alleged plot and how the u.s. should respond is the chairman of the senate intelligence committee, diane feinstein. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, chris. >> chris: you were saying just before we went on the air, people still don't believe this. persuade them that this was
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real and answer two questions for me. how high up in the iranian government did this go and what does it tell you about what was going none tehran right now? >> i was first briefed in the beginning of september. it sounded doubtful because of the cast of characters and the operative was the department 400, part of the iranian revolutionary guard, the elite unit that really is sent out by iran into various areas that finances terrorism et cetera. and i didn't believe it either. but as it turned out, it is very real. and what it represented was a rather unique effort between our drug enforcement administration, fbi, cia, a kind of coming together of agencies to collect intelligence both human and signals intelligence. >> chris: what is the single most compelling evidence that this is real? >> let me just finish. the case is dead bank i think.
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i think some of the signals is the most compelling and secondly batiar himself. >> chris: the iranian used car salesman. >> that's right. in answers to his questions essentially fessed up, essentially admitted it was real. and money was transferred. and so it's real all right. >> chris: how high up in the government does it go and what does it tell you about what is going on in that government. >> the four kuds force officials sanctioned by the treasury department include solamani who is head of the force. he is known as a very careful manager. reported to be very close to the supreme leader. there is no evidence that it >> reached the supreme leader. >> chris: from the hope diamond to dorothy's ruby red slippers, there certainly -- you can see wonderful things in washington. >> chris: the supreme leader a man with the key to the the ayatollah. collection is our power player of the week.
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>> what are we here for? we are here to discover knowledge. >> to cross to the other side we are here to share that knowledge with the world. of the world and try an attack >> if wayne inclusive's goal in this country is an sounds big, so is his job. escalation and that is what concerns us and i think that is he is the secretary of the what concerns the saudis as smithsonian. the biggest complex of museums, well. >> chris: you say an escalation libraries and research centers and you also say that we should in the world. he is in charge of 137 million be on alert for other plots in other countries. what do you know about that? objects. ranging from treasures of >> well, this is no question that the force has been american history to the animals in the national zoo. responsible for other operations going back to 1993 >> the smithsonian is popularly known as the nation's addict. in buenos aires. i understand you hate that expression. >> i don't hate it. it is far more than attic. things where things are and four days ago in iraq they happening. >> call it smithsonian 2.0 carried out an operation or because inclusive is putting new focus on its role as a research financialed on operation center. against our people in iraq. >> we run satellites for nasa >> chris: do you think there are other ongoing plots in that look into united states and discover, for example, new other countries? >> what i said was i think planets. we want people to be aware of the kind ofle things that we do there well could be. i don't think this is just an that we think are so relevant to isolated thing that suddenly the american people and the they have never done have
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world. >> chris: he is also making the institution more accessible to people who can't get to these kind tion of things before. washington. 6. a million objects have been they have done these kinds of things before but this is a digitized. >> we would like to go to continue yum and escalation. 100 million. >> inclusive took over in 2008 after his predecessor was ousted >> so far the president is talking about tough versings. for extravagant personal spending and poor management. we looked at the history of that. >> when you came in, did you the u.s. has issued 19 feel you had to clean things up? executive orders and passed 7 >> yes. i did. laws captioning iran. a lot of the people working at since 2006 the u.n. has passed the smithsonian were demoralized because they didn't have five sets of sanctions. with those do scandals but they felt they meanwhile despite all of that, iran continues to pursue a reflected badly on them and the nuclear program. institution. >> smithsonian gets 65% of its continues to be as we see here a state sponsor of terrorism. federal budget from the government $850 million this do you believe that sanctions year. inclusive has to convince congress in this time of tight can work to change iran's budgets not to cut funding. behavior? >> i don't think the sanctions >> i tell people we are open have been as complete as they every day of the year but one. and 30 million visits are made should be. to the smithsonian. i wish they had sanctioned the we don't charge admission. there is nothing like it in the central bank of iran and that world. people appreciate that. >> during 14 years as president would affect oil and maybe that is why they didn't do it. of georgia tech, inclusive was but that makes a big known as a master fundraiser. difference. >> chris: is that what you he has raised $450 million so
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would like to see now? >> yes. >> chris: and the argument is well, we could sanction the far with pitches like this. bank and the key there is >> if you like animals, i have a obviously that we don't do product for you. business with the centralle if you like art, i have got a bank but we would black list product for you. we have one of the world's any foreign country or company that does business with the largest collection of insects. >> it always comes back to the central bank. collection. >> correct, correct. in his conferencome room, >> chris: can that work without inclusive showed us the cap china and russia being on board? >> that is another subject. and this is why the state charles lynnberg wore across the department it sen sent out teao flik next to the watch and share evidence tortion shar, te abraham lincoln's hand ball. inclusive seems thrilled by all of it just as this seismic intelligence to the extent they engineer was thrilled when d.c. could with all of our allies was hit recently by earthquake. and particularly with the no ducking under a table for security council of the u.n. him. we actually were briefed by one >> u i simply sat in my chair of the men that participated in because you ride seismic waives the security council briefing. and as you ride the waves you there should be no doubt, the can tell an awful lot about the evidence is very strong. earthquake. >> the nation's treasures seem to be in good hands. the fbi believes the case is >> the satisfaction for me is both strong and good and will simply walking out and going result in a conviction. through these museums and watching these young children go >> chris: but you would support through. sanctioning, black listing and listening to those voices iran's central bank and any and watching them enjoy what they are doing and learning just company around the world that as i would have learned and
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does business with them? enjoyed it as a child. >> absolutely. and for other reasons, too. this is just one part. iran is escalating, i believe, >> chris: wane inclusive hopes to raise $1 billion from private sources to make this repository its nuclear development, iran of america's past a vibrant part is increasingly hostile. of the nation's future. they have not ceased supporting that's it for today. have a great week. hezbollah or hamas or we will see participating in the bringing of missiles and rockets into lebanon through damascus. it is a very dangerous situation and my hope is that there can be some kind of discussion that can be convincing for the iranians to change course. absent that, at one time or another, if you project out a number of years we are on a collision course. if we want to avoid, it we have to take action to avoid it. >> chris: i want to talk to you about that. retired general jack keene who was one of the architects of our counter insurgency strategy in iraq and afghanistan says the u.s. should take military
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action. here he is. >> i would start with targeting the force who has been using these proxies to conduct actions against us. i would conduct covert actions against them and espionage. that means kill them and take their bases away from them. >> chris: why not go after the kuds force? >> that is perhaps more difficult than it is said to be. i think this is a large operation. it is in the thousands. it is an elite branch. how you go after them, where do you -- how do you do it? i have never seen a plan to do it. it probably would escalate into a war and the question is do we want to go to war with iran at this time? my judgment is no, we have our hands full with iraq, with afghanistan, with the
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deteriorating relationship with pakistan. our country should not be looking to go to war. i will think we he should be looking to stop bad behavior short of war. >> chris: i have a couple of minutes left and want to ask you about two other hot spots. friday afternoon president obama announced he is sending 100 u.s. is special forces as trainers and advisors in central africa to act as trainers against the central army who have created tremendous damage. do you support you said we have our hands full. do you support sending more u.s. troops into another conflict? >> we passed a resolution during the bush administration that urged that we respond to this brutality and president bush authorized advisors to go over. they were unarmed. the difference here is that these are still advisors, the 100. but they are armed and they are
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cleared to act in self-defense. what is the lord's resistance army? it as brutal militia and it is in uganda, in the central african republic. it is in the congo and it moves through and it rapes and it pillages and it cuts people apart. >> chris: if i may because we are running out of time. why send troops there but we won't send troops to try to end the slaughter in syria? >> that is a good question. but i think this is -- i think there are two entirely different circumstances. one is a reaction as part of the arab spring. the other has been an ongoing move to essentially annihilate people. essentially really kill large numbers of people. and i think this is a small group, it is 100 people. they give military advice to the regional army that is in
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the area. we'll see what happens. >> chris: finally, the obama administration is scaling back plans for how many troops we will keep in iraq at the end of 2011. fewer than thousand. perhapses a few hundred because we can't work out a deal with the iraqi government. your reaction? >> the status of forces agreement expires the end of this year. we need to have a new status of forces agreement or we are there essentially against the will of the government and i think we will not continue against the will of the government. >> chris: but are you troubled about the idea that we would basically be all out o? >> i'm troubled because i look at korea, the length of time it took to provide stability there or japan, the length of time it took to provide stability there and i think people are so anxious for our men and women to come home and i understand that. it is also important that the job is completed in a way that
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provides the greatest chances for are stability for the country. i think that is a key goal for afghanistan as well as iraq. so i am hopeful that they will be able to quickly negotiate a stat status of forces agreement. absent that, yes, we will have to bring our people home. >> chris: senator feinstein we have to leave it there. thank you so much for talking with us and we will stay on top of all of these stories. >> thank you, chris, and happy birthday. >> chris: thank you for that. i have to say at my age it is not a cause of celebration. >> i understand. >> chris: coming up, the sunday panel on the republican presidential race. who is up, who is down, and who who is up, who is down, and who is just hanging in exclusive to the military. and commitment is not limited to one's military oath. the same set of values that drive our nation's military are the ones we used to build usaa bank. from free checking to credit cards to loans, our commitment to e military, veteransand their families
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can y'all see that big bullseye on my back? >> chris: former frontrunner rick perry and current frontrunner herman cain both trying to make sense of the fast changing republican run for president. now, to our weekly group. let's start with herman cain who has soar to the top of the polls and whether you like is or not his 999 tax reform plan is getting all of the buzz, all of the attention. but jeff, as the one who goes throughout the most of all of us and actually goes into these, how real is his campaign? what kind of an organization has he got in the early states?
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