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the wisconsin recall comes down to the wire. can governor scott walker survive his union backed challenge? and growing calls for action as syria sinks further into chaos. should the united states intervene? welcome to the journal editorial report. i'm paul gigot. as campaign season heats up, hope for bipartisan compromise
on pretty much anything goes out the window. republican senator marco rubio wants to break the gridlock on one of the most did i visive issues in washington. arcing on an alternative to the democratic back dream act. i asked him wakened of progress he is making on capitol hill? >> we do have an illegal immigration problem and people are frustrated by it. on the other hand we do have some people in this country that are in a very unique position. the first step is to deal with children basically that were brought here at a young age through no fault of their own and find themselves undocumented. >> a compromise on the dream act. >> designed to help kids who no fault of their own find themselves in the circumstances they are in. >> if they serve in the military or go to college they would be put on a path to citizenship. >> the way we are envisioning it is if you graduate from high school and there is a military
component but that is not controversial. if you graduate from high school and haven't committed any felonies and have been here for a certain period of time and entered before a certain age we will give you a nonimmigrant visa that' lous you to stay in the country legally. >> a form of green card? >> like a student visa and allows you to stay in the united states and complete your studies. after you have been here we are still debating how long that should be at that point you would be he like any other nonimmigrant visa holder in the country and be allowed if you want to to apply through the green card through the existing system, not through some special path because that is the complaint about amnesty. >> i want to ask you about the amnesty. what would be the response to say that anybody who is illegally here who doesn't firstster v. to return to the country of origin and wait in line like anybody else is being given a form of amnesty if they are allowed to stay here on get on the path of citizenship. >> in the case of refugees
between the people who have chosen to break the law and those brought here by their parents or circumstances. we you are 12 years old or 8 years old you don't choose to go to the country illegally. many don't even know they are undocumented until they graduate and try to go to college. this doesn't apply to people who as adults or older teenagers came to this country. >> they would have to be minors. >> and lived here consecutively for a significant period of time. graduate from high schools and not have any criminal record and then all you get is a nonimmigrant visa. eventualleventually would you e allowed to apply for a green card through the normal process not in a special way. >> they are resisting your compromise. i think they actually stated at least a senior aide has that they don't like what you are doing. why? >> i think there are politics involved to the shock of many who may be watching the
program. >> they want to use the dream act. >> there are some that legitimately want to help the kids. some that were counting on this issue to use on the campaign and against mitt romney and the republican party and i don't think they want there to be a reasonable republican alternative because it takes away the argument. i think we have plenty of other issues to debate and this is one we should take off the table and try to solve and i hope in the last few days i heard more promising tones from many of my democratic colleagues and a willingness to work together to find a solution for the kids. >> let's change subjects to the foreign policy. you are on the senate intelligence committee. do we know, have you been told at all on the committee who leaked the news whether it was pakistan or an american about the doctor -- pakistan doctor fridi who helped us capture ben laden? >> it is concerning. this is not a person who did anything against the interest of pakistan. subaxially helping to capture a criminal and someone who had done great harm and killed
pakistanis. had been involved in the death of pakistanis. the capture and ultimately the death of bin laden was beneficial not just for the united states but for pakistan and the world. i don't think he has done anything wrong and i think it is troubling what happened to him. >> was it a u.s. intelligence or policy mistake not to get him out of here once we knew they were looking at him? >> i'm always cautious about speaking about those things because i don't want to be the source of something that undermines future operations. suffice to say at least for now i'm satisfied that the u.s. is not to blame for what happened and now that the world knows about it the pressure should be on pakistan to treat this gentleman fairly. he did not act against the national interest of pakistan. he shouldn't be in jail. >> why would any average citizen much less somebody taking the risk of life and limb in a country like pakistan or anywhere else in the world help us again if that is what happens to somebody that does
help us and we didn't get him out of that country in team. >> that is the concern about future operations is this could serve as an example to others that cooperating with the united states could create this outcome for them or their family. >> but you are not willing to criticize the administration for not getting them out. >> not yet. i think they have taken a forceful position in terms of their position vis-a-vis pakistan but there are other issues at play that we couldn't publicly discuss that make the issue a little more complicated. let me say i'm not prepared to make the criticisms. the important thing is not to play politics of this issue but get that gentleman out of the predict ament that he is in because he has done nothing wrong vis-a-vis he the pakistani post. >> do you agree with john mccain that the u.s. should
consider a use of force on a know he fly zone in syria? >> i am not prepared to engage the united states in a military operation there. the fundamental problem in syria is that the opposition whether the military or political opposition is not cohesive or unified. create the condition for the opposition to become more cohesive and unified so that the political leader there's that are opposing the assad regime can begin to organize themselves and i think we provide resources such as communications, food, humanitarian support. i think our allies are prepared to arm them. >> not military aide. >> i don't think that necessary le u.s. aide in a military form directly to a noncohesive force we are prepared to do that right now. step number one should be to help the on position unify, co-aless and become more cohesive and we can do that
through a turkish side of the border free zone and combined with the logistics we can provide and then i think there will be options on the table available for us. >> senator rubio, thanks for being here. when we come back, governor scott walker facing a recall reelection. can he survive? working? we will take a closer look at♪ his record, next. wer surge, let it blow your mind. [ male announcer ] for fruits, veggies and natural green tea energy... new v8 v-fusion plus energy. could've had a v8.
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both sides making a final push in wisconsin this weekend ahead of tuesday's is election to recall republican governor scott walker. a poll out this week shows walker with a 7-point lead over democratic opponent milwaukee mayor tom barrett. the recall effort began last year after he and republican lawmakers eliminated most collective bargaining rights for public employee unions. that move aimed at closing the state's $3.7 billion budget gap
resulted in rancorous protests that gained national attention. joining the panel this week, "wall street journal" columnist and deputy editor dan henneger and colin levy from her readout in chicago across the border from wisconsin. you have been following this closely, colin. let's look at the facts first. what is the evidence of whether or not walker's reforms are working? >> well, there is a lot of evidence it is already coming in now. one of the things that we saw most recently this week was there was a chamber of commerce is survey in wisconsin that talked to businesses and a lot of businesses are showing more confidence than they have in previous years. in particular, about two thirds of wisconsin businesses including a lot of manufacturers said that they intended to hire workers in the next year. so that is a big number. you have also seen improvements in people's property taxes so they are seeing some reductions
there. and there has been as much as about a billion dollars of savings since the reforms were implemented. in terms of the economy a lot o of the numbers are coming in now. even the jobs numbers which has been something that tom barrett harped on. they came in with bureau of labor statistics that says wisconsin has 25,000 or so new jobs so there has been improvements there as well. >> and the fact is it is fascinating. the democrats aren't running against the -- and he has not really offered any answers other than he would restore collective bargaining. but collective bargaining isn't
going to restore the wisconsin economy. that is what the people have on their minds and he hasn't been talking about that. >> colin, an interesting fact that came out this week about union membership in the state. public employee union membership which seems to have fallen dramatically in the last year since the reforms were implemented saying the state no longer coercively take union dues. the member members have to voly pay them. >> membership in afscme fell to about 22,000 in february this year from about 62,000 the previous year. that is a drop of almost half. that is extremely significant. and most of that drop was coming from the public sector unions where it dropped by more than half in fact. this is very interesting because historically we have seen membership in private
sector unions decline over the years but this drop in public be sectorons is something new. >> and that is what really has to be motivating the anger on the part of the unions, jason. >> certainly. but the unions are also upset with the democratic national committee. >> why is that? >> there has been the opposition to scott walker has been arguing among itself. the dnc has not thrown in enough money as far as the unions are concerned. president obama has a not visited the state. he did endorse barrett after he won the nomination. he hasn't done anything beyond that. >> he is even going to fly over and go to minnesota here before the recall. >> and so the unions don't think that the dnc are throwing enough resources at the race. in fact, the head of afscme criticized the dnc for this very reason. >> a school of thought among democrats that this recall election was a mistake. that they lose, the loss will be catastrophic for them in terms of what it means for
scott walker's reforms and what it means for the president's prospects in wisconsin. what it means for the political clout of the unions. if they lose membership their strength comes from putting people on the ground in elections. scott walker raised an enormous amount of money and this suggests that the republicans interest the upper hand at this moment. >> which is the school of thought on the implications for this for november? does it matter? >> i think it matters a lot. i think it suggests that the republican seed has the momentum and for kinds of reasons jason was just describing. the democratic side which has been historically supported by the unions is beginning to wane at exactly the wrong time. >> colin, have you got a prediction on this? >> i think it will be a squeaker but i think it will probably go walker's way. >> jason? >> i have to agree. i think it will go walker's way. polls have consistently shown it close but with walker ahead. >> five point win. >> i think probably 4 point win. and also so polarized that it doesn't look like it will be a
calls are growing for the united states to act after last week's massacre of more than 100 civilians including at least 30 children in the central syrian town of houla. kofi annan left damascus wednesday after meeting with the syrian president and failing to salvage what was left of his crumbling peace plan. "wall street journal" foreign afares columnist brett stevens joins us with more. brett what is the u.s. national
interest in intervening in syria? >> well, syria has been an enemy of the united states for 40 years. they funneled jihaddists to iraq and support hezbollah which after al-qaeda is the number one terrorist killer of americans and continue to be a course of instability and they are above all iran's number one ally in the arab world. so getting rid of the assad regime puts the iranians on the back foot in a region at a moment when iran may be crossing a nuclear threshold. >> you heard marco rubio say we don't know what the opposition is, who it is made up of. others say perhaps islamic extremists. how do we know that the regime will be better than assad? >> he has a ten year record atrocity.sof
a survey of opposition leaders and found that very few or a minority are sympathetic to the muslim brotherhood. many admire the united states. this happens every time there is a question about whether we will support the opposition in libya or in bosnia and kosovo going back many years. the truth is most of the time they are proamerican and grateful for our help and we have a chance to gain an ally there as opposed to letting this situation continue to bleed. >> i'm going to drive a point brett made about iran. i would go so far as to say this is an iran proxy war are this battling with assad and syria. it would be a blow to the regime in assad goes down. >> it is run by a minority in
syria. the sunny ethnic group is dominant but they may turn out to be radicals like hamas in gaza. >> i think that would be a lesser evil than the relationship assad has had with the iranians. i don't think you will get a reversion to the status quo. the iranians will have no longer have the primary client there. hezbollah will be put on its back foot as well and you have a lot of other regional interests there. the saudis, turkey. there is a reason russia isn't going to get on board because they are supplying with the iranians supplying helicopters and money to the assad regime. >> people say it is not as easy as libya because the opposition doesn't control any territory. harder to carve out a safe haven for them. the syrian military is more capable and in this case maybe russia will get in our way and say we are not going to let you do it and intervene on the seed of syria?
>> several years ago i stumbled into an encampment of elite syrian republican guard troops. these were hungry looking troops and the best of the best. the idea that they would be a ferocious opponent to the united states is a joke just as it was a joke that momar was going to be a serious opponent. >> militarily it is easy. >> no military operation is easy. no one wants to say it as cake walk. it is wrong to suggest that the syrians stand ten feet high and that it stretches the limit of our capability to deal with a third rate military power. the russians their bark is worse than their bite. they also tried to intervene in kosovo. they object diplomatically but interveneing to intervene militarily. >> the other is president obama, he doesn't want to do this in an election year can you pull something like this off without presidential
leadership? >> very difficult. and it is true that obama doesn't want to go in but he could at least provide more intelligence and communication support to allow the syrian opposition to survive through the election. >> we have to take one more break. when we come back, hits and messes -- hit -- when we come messes -- hit -- when we come back, hits and misses of the week. droid does. with verizon, america's largest 4glte network and motorola, whatever you want to do... droidoes. did i ever think i would have heart disease. she just didn't fit the profile of a heart event victim. she's healthy, she eats properly. i was pushing my two kids in a stroller when i had my heart event.
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time for hits and misses of the week. brett first to you. >> president obama may try to attempt to reset with the polish people. he has developed quite a record with them. a few years ago he announced he was taking out the antiballistic missiles on poland on the 70th anniversary and then dissed the solidarity lead are. and then he referred to polish death camp. they were nazi death camps. po poland is outraged. you could say that president
obama made a gaffe. but if president bush made it they would have called him stupid. i think we owe the same treatment to president obama, too. >> this is a miss for attorney general air rock holder who has has -- eric holder basically telling black audiences voter i.d. laws are an attempt to disenfranchise black voters. the reality is the states have seen black voter turnout increase not decrease. i think what he is doing is not only irresponsible but also wrong on the merits. >> colin? >> a super seized miss to new york mayor michael bloomberg who said that restaurants movie theaters and food carts no longer be allowed to sell sugary drinks larger than 16-ounces. he has been on a campaign to protect full grown adults from themselves for awhile. who knows what is next. the mind rls