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this week with the 2012 campaign season in night gear is there any hope of breaking gridlock on immigration reform? we'll ask senator marco rubio. plus, the wisconsin recall comes down to the wire. can governor walker survive his union-backed challenge? growing calls for action as syria sinks further into chaos. the united states intervene? welcome to the journal editorial report i'm paul gig to t. as campaign season heats up hope for bipartisan compromise or anything goes out the
window. marco rubio wants to break the gridlock on one of the most divisive issues in washington immigration reform. he's working on an alternative to the dream act. i asked what progress he's making on capitol hill? >> first thing to recognize we have an illegal immigration problem and peel are rightfully frustrated by it that's why i support security and enforcement. on the other hand, we have people in this country that are in a unique position. the first step is to deal with children that were brought here at a young age, no fault of their own. >> this is a compromise on the so-called dream act. >> right designed to help kids who find themselves in these circumstances. all i'm trying do is help these kids do right what their parents did wrong. >> if they serve in the military or go to college they would be put on a path to citizenship? >> if you graduate from high school, there's a military
component. the part that will have the most debate f you graduate from high school and haven't committed felonies and you've been here for a certain period of time and entered before a certain age we will give you a nonimmigrant visa allows you to stay legally. >> a green card? >> no. alike a student visa allows to you stay and complete your studies. after you have been here, we are debating how long. you would be like any other nonimmigrant visa hold in the country. would you be allowed to apply for a green card through the existing system not through special path that's the complaint about amnesty >> i want to ask you about that. anybody who is illegally here who doesn't have to return to their country of origin and wait in line like everybody else is being given a form of amnesty if they are allowed to stay. >> there's a difference we've long recognized in this country in the case of refugees between the people who have they do to pwraebgt
law and be here legally and those brought here by parents or circumstances. when you are 12, 8-years-old you don't choose to come to this country illegally. many don't even know they are undocumented until they graduate. this does not to adults or older teenagers who came to this country -- >> they would have to be minors. >> when they ended and lived here con ively for a significant period of time, not have a criminal record then you get a nonimmigrant at some point you would allow to apply for a green card through the existing normal process not a special pathway. >> this is going a fair ways in my estimation to what the white house has asked for, yet they are resisting your compromise. i think they've stated, at least a senior aide has they don't like what you are doing, why? >> i think there's politics involved to the shock of many. >> they want to use the dream
act? >> there are people in the democratic party who want to help these kids. there are some we are counting on this issue to use on the campaign against mitt romney and the republican party. i don't think they want there to be a reasonable republican alternative. we have plenty of other issues to debate this is one we should take often table and try to solve. in the last few days i've heard more promising tones to work together. >> foreign policy . you are on the senate intelligence committee. have you been told on the committee, that who leaked the news whether it was pakistan or an american, about the doctor, pakistan doctor who helped us capture bin laden? >> no, but it is concerned. this person has not done anything against the interest of pakistan this is someone helping to capture a criminal. someone who had tkhopb great harm and kill pakistanis
involved in the death of pakistanis. the capture and the death of bin laden was beneficial not just for the united states but for pakistan and the world. i think it is very troubling what is happening to him. >> u.s. intelligence or policy mistake not to get him out of there, once we knew they were looking at him? >> some of these issues discussed with the intelligence community i'm always cautious about speak of those things i don't want to be the source of something mines future operations if. for now, i'm satisfied that the -- u.s. is not to blame for what has happen. out in world knows the pressure should be brought on pakistan to treat this gentleman fairly. he did not act against the national interest of pakistan. >> why would anybody, any average citizen must less somebody taking the risk of live and limb in the country or anywhere else, help us again go this is what happens
to somebody who helps us? >> that's right. that's the concern about future operations this could serve as an example to others that cooperating for the united states could lead to a bad outcome for you and your family. we depend on these relationships all over the world to conduct operations there's concern. >> but you are not willing to criticize the administration it seems for not getting him out? >> not yet. i think they've taken a forceful position in terms of their position vis-a-vis pakistan. there are other issues in play that we can't discuss that would make it more complicated. the important thing now is not to play politics with this issue but get the gentleman out of the predictment he's in he's done nothing wrong. >> let's talk about syria. they had the massacre in houla on the weekend. do you agree with john mccain that the u.s. should consider
a use of force? >> we should take a more force position than we have already i'm not prepared to engage the united states in an operation. the opposition, whether the military or the political opposition is not cohesive and unified. the best thing the united states can do is create the conditions so the opposition could become more cohesive and unified. incouraging the al thrice in the region to create a safe zone so the free syrian army so the political leaders there that are opposing the assad regime can organize. i think we can provide resources such as communications, food, humanitarian support. i think our allies are prepared to arm. >> not militarily? >> our allies are prepared to do that we should encourage them to do that u.s. aid in a military form directly to a noncohesive force we are prepared to do that now. step number one should be to help the opposition to become more cohesive we can do that
through a free zone, safe zone combined with kpwhaoupb case and logistical support. once you have a coast he's sieve opposition there will be more options available us to. thank you. when we come back. governor walker facing a hard fought recall election. question survive tuesday's vote? are his union reforms working? we'll take a closer look at his record, next. for a hot dog . my mother said, "well, maybe we ought to buy this hot dog cart and set it up someplace." so my parents went to bank of america. they met with the branch manager and they said, "look, we've got this little hot dog cart, and it's on a really good corner. let's see if we can buy the property." and the branch manager said, "all right, i will take a chance with the two of you." and we've been loyal to bank of america for the last 71 years.
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budget gap resulted in rancorous protest that gained national attention. joining the panel this week dan henninger, jason reilly and senior editorial page editor colin levy. you've been following this closely. let's look at the facts way is the evidence of whether or not walker's reforms are working? >> there's a lot of evidence that is already coming in. one of the things that we saw most recently this week, there was a chamber of commerce survey in wisconsin that talked to businesses. a lot of businesses are showing more confidence than they have in previous years. 2/3 of wisconsin businesses, including a lot of manufacturers, says they intended to hire workers in the next year. that's a big number. you have also seen improvement in people's property taxes. they are saying reductions there.
there's been as much as about a billion dollars of savings since these reforms were implemented in terms of the economy a lot of these numbers are coming in now even the jobs numbers, something tom barrett has harped on they came in with statistics that said wisconsin has 25,000 or so new jobs. improvements there as well. >> fact is, fascinating. >> that's what walker has going for him his record. unemployment 6.7%, well below the national average. colin mentioned jobs numbers. he balanced that budget without raising taxes as promised. democrats and unions want to throw this guy out voters are going wait a minute! >> tom barrett has been asked in interviews what he would be different than scott walker has? he has not really offered any answers other than he would restore collective bargaining.
collective bargaining isn't going to restore the wisconsin economy that's what people have on their minds. >> interesting fact about union membership in the state public employee, which seems to have fallen in the last year since the reperforms were implemented which say the state no longer coercively takes union dues out of the pockets of workers. workers have to voluntarily pay them. what has happened to those rules? >> basically, membership, wisconsin membership american federation of state and municipal employees asked me, fell to 22,000 in february this year from 62,000 the previous year. that's a drop of almost half, extremely significant. a lot of that drop was coming from the public sector unions where it dropped. this is something that is very interesting. we've seen membership in private sector unions
decline years. this drop in public sector unions something new. >> that's what really has to be motivating anger on the part of unions, jason? >> certainly. but the unions are also upset with the democratic national committee. >> why? >> there's been the on to scott walker has been arguing among itself. dnc has not thrown in enough money as far as unions are considered. president obama has not visited. he did endorse barrett after barrett won the nomination he hasn't done anything beyond that >> he's going to fly over and go to minnesota before the recall. >> and the unions don't think the dna are -- the head of the union criticized the dnc for this reason. >> there's a school of thought among democrats this recall election was a mistake. that they lose the loss will be catastrophic inqpl táijt what it means for walker's
reforms and the president's prospects in wisconsin. what it meansrfor the political clout of the unions. if they lose membership, their strength comes from puttingeád people on the ground in elections. walker has raised an enormous amount of money this suggests the republicans have the upper hand at this moment. >> what is the henninger school of thought for november, does it matter? >> i think it matters a lot. ita5 suggests the republican side has momentum for the reasons jason was just describing. the democratic side historically supported by the unions gaining -- is beginning çi >> colin -- col, in you have a prediction. >> squeaker but probably going to go walker's way. jive to agree. polls have shown it close -- >> i think four point win it is so polarized it doesn't
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calls are growing for the united states to act after last week's massacre of more than one civilians, including at least 30 children. in the syrian town of houla, kofi annan left wednesday after meeting with syrian president assad and failing to salvage what was left of his crumbling peace plan. brett stevens joins us with more. what is the u.s. national
interest in intervening in syria? >> well, syria has been an enemy of the united states for 40 years. they funneled jihadists to iraq, they support hezbollah which after al-qaeda is number winter killer of americans. they continue to be a source of instability and they are above all, iran's number one ally in the arab world. getting rid of the assad regime puts iranians on the back foot in region at a moment when iran may be crossing a nuclear threshold. >> you heard marco rubio say the problem is one of the doubts is, we don't know who is in the opposition, what it is made up of. he didn't say this, others say allied with perhaps, islamists extremists. how do we know that the opposition will be better than assad? >> first of all it is hard to get worse he's compiled more than a 10 year record of atrocity. recently in the "wall street journal" we had an op-ed which did surveys of
opposition leaders. and found few are sympathetic or minority are sympathyish to muslim -- muslim brotherhood, amount of them admire the united states this happens every time we are going to support opposition in libya, bosnia, kosovo going back many years always the allegations with al-qaeda sympathizers and so on most of the time they are proamerican and grateful for our help and we have a chance to gain an ally as opposed to letting the situation continue to bleed. >> i'm going to drive a point about iran. i would say this is an iran proxy war this battle with assad and syria. it would be a blow to the iranian mullahs if assad goes down. >> how do we know we are going to get anybody better? people say the regime now is run by a minority within syria,
the sunni ethic religious group is dominant. they may turn out to be radicals like hamas in gaza. >> that would be a lesser evil than the relationship assad has had the iranians. i don't think you are going to get reversion of the status quo. iranians will no longer have their primary client. hezbollah would be put on its back foot. you have a lot of other regional interests, saudis, turkey there's a reason why russia isn't going to get onboard to push assad out, they are supplying, with the iranians, helicopters and money to the assad regime. >> bret, what about the military risks? people say it is not as easy as libya, opposition doesn't control territory harder to carve out a safe haven syrian military more capable and maybe russia will get in our way and say we are not going to let you do it and intervene on the side of syria?
>> several years ago i stumbled into an encampment of the republican guard troops, these were the best of the best. the idea that the syrian army would be a ferocious opponent to the united states is a joke as it was that gaffe if i was going to be a sear -- as it was a jock that gaffe if i was a serious -- >> it is wrong to suggest that the syrians stand 10 feet high and it stretches the limit of our capabilities to deal way third rate military power like the syrians. as for the russians, their bark is worst than their bite. they tried to intervene in kosovo, they object diplomatically they are not going to intervene militarily. >> other objection relates to president obama if he doesn't want to do this, which i think is fair to say, in an election year, can you pull this off without presidential
leadership? >> very difficult. it is true obama doesn't want to go in he can at least provide more intelligence of that communication support, that would allow the syrian opposition to survive through the election. >> dan, thanks. one more break. when we come back, hits and misses of the week. r day... well, shoot, that's like checking on your burgers after they're burnt! [ male announcer ] treat your frequent heartburn by blocking the acid with prilosec otc. and don't get heartburn in the first place! [ male announcer ] one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn. of how a shipping giant can befriend a forest may seem like the stuff of fairy tales. but if you take away the faces on the trees... take away the pixie dust. take away the singing animals, and the storybook narrator... [ man ] you're left with more electric trucks. more recycled shipping materials... and a growing number of lower emissions planes... which still makes for a pretty enchanted tale. ♪ la la la [ man ] whoops, forgot one... [ male announcer ] sustainable solutions. fedex. solutions that matter.
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same thing they would have called them stupid. we owe the same treatment to president obama too. >> this is a myth for attorney general eric holder who in an effort to increase black turn -- out in november has been going around the country giving irresponsible, divisive speeches telling black audiences that voter id laws are an attempt by republicans to disinfranchise black voters. the evidence is that states like indiana and georgia have seen voter turn-out black souther turn-out increase not decrease. i think what he's doing is not only irresponsible but also wrong on the merits. >> woo supervised myth to mayor bloomberg who said restaurants, movie theaters and food carts will not be allowed to sell sugary drinks larger than 16 ounces he has been on a campaign to protect full grown adults from themselves for a while. who knows what is next.