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>> welcome back, everybody. fox news alert. the results are in for egyptay's first free presidential election, democracy. the winner of the muslim brotherhood candidate, mohammed morsi. good morning. a busy one at that. i'm jamie colby. welcome. >> eric: i'm eric shawn. this is america's news headquarters. a huge crowd of morsi supporters, right now. you can see them, you can hear them. they're in cairo's tahrir square, cheering on live egyptian television. the election commission saying that morsi won with 51.7% of the vote. what does this mean for egypt's future and for the arab world and for us?
we go live to cairo, egypt. leyland this, win by morsi and the muslim brotherhood. what can we expect? >> reporter: eric, suffice it to say, this changes everything. that is not an understatement. mohammed morsi was once a political prisoner, held by hosni mubarak as a member of the muslim brotherhood, an outlawed organization. he is now the president-elect of this country in a democratic election. his supporters have been in tahrir square for three days, plus the muslim brotherhood and the another group, which make the muslim brotherhood look moderate. they were waiting, you could hear a pin drop then. then it was announced, morsi was the president-elect. take a listen. [cheering]
>> reporter: it was a deafening roar, only like the time it was announced here 16 months ago that hosni mubarak resigned after protesters. remember, during the protests, the muslim brotherhood said they weren't going to run anyone for president. they did run someone for president. and now, mohammed morsi has won the presidency. the big question going forward is what is the army going to do here isn't army is in charge of this country. they dissolved the parliament. they said they will rewrite a new constitution. so the question is: will they end up giving power to the muslim brotherhood. and if they don't, which many experts say is possible and will make morsi only a figurehead, will the massive crowd continue to protest and riot? to give you a perspective here, the crowd from our position is well more than a quarter mile away. it continues to grow. and we can hear the roar. these people are very excited. but it's a very different group than the liberal, secular,
democratic revolutionaries we saw 16 months ago. mohammed morsi has a very hard-line, islamist following, especially among the poorer members of this country, where the muslim brotherhood has a very powerful political machine. this is crittedical for egypt and this changes the political landscape of the middle-east. egypt was always an ally of the united states and of israel. hosni mubarak could talk to anyone and deal with anyone for the united states. that clearly is no longer the case. morsi has promised that he is going to try and lead a coalition government and offer a religious freedom here. but there is no question the muslim brotherhood endorses a hard-line islamic view of the world. and that will change things and change the united states' ability to do business in the middle-east, now that have you switched egypt from a strong ally to a very best, neutral, and could easily swing the other
direction. you have the suez canal, which controls shipments and u.s. aircraft carriers going through. you have suez here and you have u.s. military aid. $1.2 billion of military aid, the egyptian army has f-16 fighter jets and abrams tank, sophisticated u.s. weapons here. the last thing anyone wants is a situation like what ended up in iran where the united states was dealing with its own weapons. remember, the u.s. gave a lot of weapons to the shaw in iran in the 70s and then you had the islamic revolution and then there were f-14s and tomcat pilots, flown by the united states. that's not what the united states wants to happen with egypt. the other big question is what is going to happen with egypt, with respect to israel. egypt is one of only two friends that israel has here in the arab world. they were the most important and influential. kitell you from having been down
in this crowd, 13 million members of the muslim brotherhood, and the sympathizers who voted for mohammed morsi that it is definitely not an american-friendly crout crowd. it is certainly not an israeli-friendly crowd. this is a very, very different egypt than what we were dealing with two years ago. there are a let of people very scared about that. a lot of egyptians are very scared about that in the sense that many who i have talked to said that the other candidate in this race, ahmed shafiq, would have kept it secular. now they are fear it will be a situation where the women have to wear head scarves and many social doctrines are passed down, this, the first muslim brotherhood elected president here in egypt. >> eric: a very different egypt. it happen in the last half hour. that offers a new challenge to the united states, to the obama
white house, as we move forward with president-elect morsi, a member of the muslim brotherhood, a hard-line islamist, now in charge of egypt. we will hear more throughout the hour, on this historic day that will certainly usher in new policy, perhaps troubling policies in the middle-east. thank you so much. >> jamie: back here at home, new developments in the escalating showdown of an investigation into operation fast & furious. the controversy putting the spotlighto attorney general eric holder, a top republican leading the investigation saying he expects a full house vote to eric holderrener contempt of congress. but he's willing to make a deal. james rosen is live in washington. james, what would that look like?
>> reporter: it would look like documents being turned over. but by no means is it clear that there will be such a deal. darrell ice athe republican chairman of the house oversight and government committee, probing the fast & furious case, saying that it doesn't see any evidence that the obama white house was involved in the origins of the gun-tracking program or in recently tattempting to cover it up. but he hopes the scandal, quote, stays at justice. attorney general eric holder has refused to turn over documents to the house committee. president obama last week asserted executive privilege to keep it that way. issa expects some democrats to join the republicans in holding the attorney general in contempt of congress if no accommodation is reached. the u.s. border patrol agent, brian terry was killed in december of 2010. at the scene of the crime, investigators found some of the guns that u.s. officials, under a program called fast & furious, had allowed to flow to the mexican drug cartels.
the aim had been to trace the guns to the cartems and take town the terrorists. the ranking democrat on the issa committee has accused him of using politics. they squared off with chris wallace this morning. >> it's regrettable we are here. we would certainly like to know be here. if the president and the attorney general holder would simply start producing the documents they know they could produce to us that are not going to be covered by executive privilege, this could be delayed or even eliminated. and, you know, chris, i think that -- i am calling on speaker boehner to come further and show the strong leadership that i know he will and sit down with the attorney general to resolve this matter. the attorney general has made it clear that he is willing to work with this congress. >> however the justice department has been forced to
acknowledge that some of the information was, quote, fatally flawed. >> jamie: much more on this throughout the day. we are going to have much more as well from a leading republican lawmaker. tray gowdy will be live to discuss the expected outcome of the contempt vote and what it will accomplish. eric? >> eric: jamie, another hot issue for our country, the critical week coming up for the obama administration on the major decision from the supreme court on the health care law. the fate of the president's reform law now lies at the supreme court in the justices' hands. that outcome, of course, was expected to have a major impact on the president's ri-election -- re-election campaign. matt slap was a white house director under president bush. and martha is a consultant to the obama campaign. welcome. matt, let me start with you. what's your prediction?
>> i tell you, it is oldaddage is that those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk. so i think those folk who is actually have a good handle on what the court will do, do not have good inside information. the interesting thing for the president, i think this is a lose/lose. >> eric: lose/lose, do you agree? >> i think there are a couple of scenarios. this could be a whole loaf or a half loaf or they obliterate the law. americans do want health care reform. romney is keying up to talk about his health care plan. if the whole law is wiped out, he is going to have to talk details, which will be a problem. but what is likely is that we might end up with a half plan, which would mean that the mandate may be overruled. but in that case, what we have is medicaid. what people aren't talking a lot about is the fact that medicaid expansion under this legislation would cover half of the
uninsured in the country, 17 million people. so -- medicaid is very much a bipartisan policy, it's an option for the states that allows an opt-in. my hope is that that standing and that remains to be seen whether the overall mandate will be. >> eric: if the mandate is struck down, the headline will be that the president lost. >> obamacare is the individual mandate. that's what obamacare is. if the individual mandate is struck down, obamacare can't work. and democrats inside the white house know this. that's why they are furiously trying to figure out what to do under that scenario. the individual mandate is believed to be unconstitutional by 72% of americans. and by 56% of democrats. this is why i say it's a lose/lose. if the individual mandate is upheld, he has to capt pain on an incredibly unpopular provision of his bill. if it's struck down, it
demonstrates that the president has been reckless and unconstitutional in passing obamacare. >> eric: so, do you think he was reckless and unconstitutional? >> rom me passed the same mandate in the state of massachusetts. i think that republicans and democrats understand the economics of a mandate. i think that democrats are going to talk about a supreme court alined with the g.o.p. and a congress that is not getting anything done and republicans are going to have to key up to figure out what the alternative would be. so i think that's sort of where we will be standing. both parties are preparing to talk about it from either angle. one argument they are making, if you go back to 1792, george washington mandated all 18-year-olds to have muskets and ammunition -- >> this is why i love george washington. >> i know -- [overlapping dialogue] >> mr. washington already served. he can't serve again. >> that's true. >> if barack obama tried to
compare himself to george washington, i think there would be a widespread giggle. >> eric: finally, one other point, when this president obama signed the law in 2010, he praised it and said it would, quote, help lift the economy. what happened? marjorie? >> well, i don't know that anything has changed -- and i think he would say the same thing today. what you are looking at is coverage for americans in the case of medicaid, below 133% of the poverty level. that's twenty three $23,000 near a family of four, $11,000 for a family of one. there are a lot of people who can't afford health care. what this law aims to do is make it for -- it more affordable. i am not calling it perfect, but it does a lot of things that need to happen. >> we are not spending too little on health care. you talked about how we spend on medicare and medicaid. it is not spending too little, what it comes down to is that we have not done what it takes to
pull the costs down for the american people. that's what the american people want. there are all kinds of bipartisan bill there's can be passed. republicans and democrats working together to get the cost of health care lower, the only way that upon has is to introduce more market forces into the health care market. >> eric: the debate today will continue this week. we expect to have a decision. it will be momentous and probably somewhat divisive. thanks very much to both of you. >> jamie: eric, all eyes are on debbie, a tropical storm gaining strength in the gulf of mexico. where is she headed next? who may be in harm's way? [ kate ] most women may not be properly absorbing
>> jamie: financial abuse, dramatically on the rise t. turns out, far too many seniors are being swindled out of billions of dollars a year. most of the crimes -- about 50% -- are committed by strangers. but sometimes they are carried out to the tune of 34% by family and friends and neighbors. and so many of us are either approaching being elderly or taking care of the elderly. so in today's take charge consumer protection segment, i
wanted to look at how to keep yourself and your loved ones from being financially exploited. joining me is the attorney general, tom horn. thank you for comee for this. >> it's great to be with you. >> jamie: i was impressed. arizona has publish aid guide to help people who are either approaching senior time or taking care of a parent or loved one, from being ripped off. how big a problem was this in your state? >> it's a big problem because the senior citizens have their life savings, they are living on pensions and life savings, so that makes them a likely target. women are twice as likely as men to be victims. most victims are over 80. so it's a very serious problem. i started a task force against senior abuse. i wanted to do it in a way that wouldn't cause the taxpayers more money, so we put a specialist in each of our regular sections, so in the
criminal section, access fraud and outreach, people who would be there emi anyway and they are an expert in senior abuse. so if you call in because you yourself are being abused or somebody you know is being abused or you suspect it, there is one telephone number and then that woman will direct to you an expert in the relevant section. >> jamie: a lot of states are following the example, in doing this because it's becoming a rising problem. what are the red flags, especially if it's a neighbor, a friend, a family member, as opposed to a complete stranger to know that you are being ripped off? >> well, one red flag with respect to seniors that you know is if there are new names going on bank accounts, or new people moving in with them. and there are a couple of very prominent frauds we are warning people against. one is the grandma fraud, where people call in and claim to be their grandchildren in jail in
mexico or somewhere and they need them to wire money. viewers need to be aware of that. they use facebook accounts. people will put personal inform on facebook accounts so they get the names of grandchildren and helps them impersonate them and get seniors to wire money to them in far-away places and nothing we can do about it. >> jamie: i wouldn't have thought of that one. one thing i want to ask you is, everybody should check their credit report and do this for a senior loved one. is it not possible to freeze your credit so that nobody gets credit in the name of the senior? >> it is possible to do that. and we have advise seniors to check their credit twice a year. i see our job as two-fold, on the one hand, we prosecute people who commit senior abuse, especially when it deals with speas fraud where someone pretends to be a caretaker and writes checks on their account or taking money from them in any
way. and the other half of our job is to warn people, with hundreds of presentations to -- to senior communities, warning them of the kinds of frauds that they are likely to face and how to avoid them. >> jamie: one other tip, if you have a caregiving, background check, getting information, asking questions, you should do that before you have a problem. we appreciate the information. >> yeah, you want to be very careful of caregivers because a lot of fraud is committed by people pretending to be caregivers. >> jamie: folks should go to your state's web site and others, we need to clamp down and take care of our seniors. >> yes. thank you for having me. >> jamie: pleasure. see you soon. for more on how you can take charge of a number of consumer issues, as important as this one, go to foxnews.com and click on america's news headquarters at the bottom of the page. and there, you will see a link to the take charge consumer
protection segments. eric, this one, i feel, so important. >> eric: especially for the senior, really important. they can bese susceptible to fraud, and i they are. >> eric: well, coming up, fast & furious heating up in the capitol this past week, as you know, sparking some strong words from lawmakers. coming up, we'll talk to a top republican on the house oversight committee about their investigation. >> jamie: plus, the middle-east and maybe the world as we know it has changed today, a muslim brotherhood candidate elected president of egypt. what does the future hold? a live report from a very rowdy tahrir square in cairo, straight ahead. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans? [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't.
warnings. maria is in the fox news weather center. i am so surprised they have tornado warnings. >> reporter: a lot of activity. it is not uncommon to see tornado warnings issued when we have tropical storms. basically, that happens because some of the outer rain bands have imbedded thunderstorms and when they make landfall, there is friction with the land that caused rotation and you get tornadoes spawned and making touchdown. that's what we saw yesterday in napele, florida. we got damage reported from that tornado. and we have a brand-new tornado warning that has been out for boca in south florida. so hopefully, everyone out there is take the warnings seriously. everyone in florida needs to keep in mind, as the rain bands continue to make landfall, you can get rotation and tornado warnings with the possibility of some tornadoes touching down. a very serious threat. and the other big issue is
debbie. we have a lot of wind with the storm system. right now, maximum sustained winds, 60 miles per hour and gusts reported up to 70 miles per hour. so we are looking at almost hurricane-force wind gusts associated with debbie. most of the showers is on the eastern half of the center of circulation. so you can see the center is around here, across the gulf of mexico. very warm water here and that's why debbie is continuing to intensify and blowing up with the showers and storms along the state of florida, from the panhandle to south florida. we also had new tropical storm warnings issued, from 11:00 a.m., basically expanding the coastal area of florida, under a tropical storm warning along the florida panhandle and into the suwanee river. so everyone who live there is could be experiencing tropical storm condition, if not right now, within the next 24 to thix hours. a lot of heavy rain with the storm system across the state of florida, 5 to 10 inches
possible, across southeastern louisiana and also locally, up to 15 inches of rain will be possible. so flooding, a very real threat. eric, we did have an update with the tropical storm track, moving forth -- nort east. but we are expecting a westward turn, sooner or later. >> eric: a wet sunday down south. thank, maria. >> jamie: fast & furious, high on the agenda of capitol hill. we are certainly keeping a close eye on it. and the top republican leading the investigation said he expects a vote to hold attorney general eric holdener contempt of congress. no doubt, that vote carries legal consequences, but some critics say it's merely a political gimmick. joining us live, republican congressman, tray gowd fresouth carolina, a member of the house committee on oversight and government reform. congressman, good morning. >> good morning. how are you? >> jamie: i'm doing great. you have been busy. i want to start by playing the
sound from nancy pelosi, of what she is accusing of republicans of having behind the push to hold eric holder accountable. listen. >> going after eric holder because he is supporting measures to overturn these voter suppression initiatives in the states. this is no accident. it is no coincidence. it is a plan on the part of republicans. >> jamie: south carolina, your home state is one of the states that is trying to put into place voter i.d. laws and clamp down on voter fraud. so perhaps, nancy pelosi's speaking about you. is it true? >> no. i'll harken back to what i said the other night. this is beneath the dignity of someone who serves in congress -- it remains my numbingly -- mind-numbingly stupid to try to connect the two issues. you know, hia really frank but fair and civil conversation with
the attorney general last time he was forward in the judiciary. reasonable minds can differ. have you to show an i.d. to vote and to get into the capitol and get into the place of business where the attorney general works. jamie, you were an attorney. when you have the facts, you pound the facts. when you have the law, you pound the law. when you don't have either one, you makead hom -- ad hominnen ark tabs or you throw a hail mary, accusing some of us of racism. i will say it again, if she really believes that, she needs to schedule an appointment with a mental health professional. >> jamie: quite a statement, sir. the -- >> well, it's not -- it is not quite as big a statement as accusing someone of racism who simply wants to know how a border patrol agent was
murdered, how hundreds of mexican citizens were murdered. i wish she would spend more time trying to get to the bottom of fast & furious and less time trying to define our motives. i was a prosecutor 16 years. i don't ask them their ideology. race is not a fact. i want ton the facts. if she would spend more time helping us get to the bottom of fast & furious and less time trying to get the speaker's gavel back in her hand, we would be make progress. >> jamie: you are not alone in the feeling of wanting to get to the bottom of this. you have heard from the terry family as well, who feels like they haven't gotten any more information than they had the day their loved one died with the fast & furious weapons nearby. eric holder, i am told, has a compromise offer nterms what have he will release and what he won't. should there be a compromise? or should you be entitled to free and full access to every
document that exists? >> ljamie, i would ask you, if i were privileged to come back on your show fwe reached a compromise or extraordinary accommodation or whatever euphemism the attorney general wants to use this week, are you going to be satisfyd? if i say, i don't know, that may be in the half of the documents we didn't ask for, are you going to be satisfied? do you want all the truth? do you want 50% of the truth? a third of the truth in if you want all the truth, you will want us to have all of the documents. some of these documents may exculpate or exonerate the department of justice or the attorney general. i don't know that. it's common sense to withhold informs that is harmful to your case. you were an attorney, i was an attorney. prosecutors didn't like to turn over information -- the brady material that exculpated a defendant, but we did it anyway because we were required to. >> jamie: congressman, disco
believe who were responsible for what went so terribly wrong will be held accountable? >> it depends. it depends on whether or not the attorney general helps us perform our constitutional responsibility to provide oversight. to be candid and to be fair, the attorney general had a very distinguished career as a judge and as a prosecutor, which i respect. i know this he wants justice to prevail. we have to set politics aside and focus on justice. if he is willing to help us do that, then, yes, we hold everyone accountable, including people who approved of this ill-conceived tactic, called gun walking, irrespective of which administration it took place in. >> jamie: there was a history that we would have hoped would have been considered in making that approval. executive primg standing in the way of you getting everything you want. please, do come back. we appreciate it so much. >> thank you. >> jamie: congressman, scr a great day, thanks.
>> yes, ma'am. >> eric: we are back with you, following the event in tahrir square, history made in egypt as an official of the muslim brotherhood, the hard-line islamist group has won the presidency,s are mohammed morsi, a former california state professor, he taught at northridge. he has been lected with just over 51% of the vote. thousands are there. and we have a reporter in the middle of it. leyland? >> reporter: good evening, eric. it is not thousands, tens of thousands and perhaps a hundred thousand here at tahrir square. muslim brotherhood and their sympathizers and others are flooding in. to say it is wild, would be an understatement. last thing time things were like this was 16 months ago, when they kicked out hosni mubarak, it was the same kind of wild celebration. mohammed morsi was the muslim brotherhood' second pick to be
president. the first guy was thrown out of the election. now the muslim brotherhood who, said they weren't going to run anyone in the election, are now the victors here. the question is whether the army will turn over power. this crowd is very loud. a number of people have been camped out three or four days here and said they would not leave the square until morsi was declared the victor. as we were talking earlier, i. to give you a sense of how the egyptian people are feeling. there are 13 million people here who voted for morsi in this runoff election. i want to give you a sense of how some of them are feeling, down here on the square. you get a sense of the enormity from the picture. but you will hear the story from the egyptians. i will bring you here. omar, tell me, what does morsi's election mean for you? >> a lot, really. a lot. it is we our revolution is getting success. we are getting back to the normal egyptians how to be.
egypt is very good country. 7,000 years ago, egypt was the lead country, lead all of europe and everyone-- >> reporter: you think morsi will bring back that relationship? >> he should. he should understand. he is getting there because of us. and he should understand we ask him a lot to be our president. >> reporter: i want to ask you -- i want to ask you a question. a lot of people in america, when they hear the words muslim brotherhood, and they hear talk of an islamist state, they get very worried because egypt for so long has been a key u.s. ally. now all of a sudden, that has changed. hold on. does america and americans have a reason to be worried, do you think? >> no! no at all. i am not brother. i am muslim. but i am not brother. but i like morsi. against the other one. because i am going to be -- i am now the one make the revolution. to take out the president
mubarak and we are have you aware, don't worry, american people. don't worry about muslims. i am normal muslim. i work in very good organization. actually, i am -- i am good and we go out and go and back. vimy suit. my wife, she is not well. don't be worried, american, don't be worried. >> reporter: that's the message here from down on the square, merks don't be worried. there is a lot of people here in the middle-east who are feeling this election here and if the army turns over power means that today marks the redrawing of the entire strategic map of the middle-east. back to you in new york. >> eric: leyland -- don't worry, american people, says that one man, now that the muslim brotherhood has won. is he correct? we will have a lot more on this historic day and the election in egypt, straight ahead. [ kate ] most women may not be properly absorbing
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>> eric: it's been an historic day in egypt. did you know that in minnesota on election day, you can say that you know up to 15 people -- you know them -- you know they live there and they can vote. the practice is called voter vouching. it was challenged in court on friday by the conservative group minnesota voters alliance. they say voter vouching can lead to voter fraud. but supporters say it encourages voting and attempts to end it are voter suppression. we have a representative from the group, minnesota voters alliance. good to see you. why do you object -- >> thanks for having me. >> eric: what's wrong with it? >> well, voting is a part of the problem, that we file aid lawsuit in federal court. we were heard on friday, asking the state to order -- asking the court, rather, to order the state to confirm eligibility of all voters, prior to allowing
their ballot to count. the state has an extensive database, over eight databases to confirm the eligibility of pre-registrants, who register prior to 20 days before the election. they have another system, where voters can register to vote on election day. and that's the -- where it brings up the idea of vouching. where if a person has no documentation, they can be vouched for by another voter who lives in the precinct. now, what is harming about that, we believe, and damaging is that a person can vouch for up to 15 people. and the state doesn't track t. they don't make it accessible for group who is want to research it to see if the people were in fact eligible to vote. and they destroy the records 22 months after election day. >> eric: why do you think -- what's the problem? what do you think that could cause? >> lwe think that could cause ineligible people to vote. eric, we did an extensive
database practices act request in november of 2011. we got the data at the end of january, 2012. we asked the secretary of state of minnesota how many people are in the database, the statewide voter registration database who, registered to vote on election day in 2008, who to this day, 3 1/2 years later are marked as something other than active? and what we found was very, very disturbing. over 48,000 persons are in the database today as something other than active. there are 17,000 marked challenged and another 31,000 marked inactive-- does this mean that the people who got vouched for and they don't get the answers back? they don't know who they are? >> they can't tell you us. they won't tell us how many of those were vouched for. we can assume it's in the 5% range.
we don't know the extent of the problem. but of those 48,000 person who is are listed as something other than active, that when the state finally got around to attempting to verify their eligibility, albeit after the election, they could not conclusively say that those 48,000 people were in fact eligible to vote in minnesota and met all the qualifications to be eligible to vote in minnesota. >> eric: 30 seconds left. the secretary of state office said they would not comment on pending litigation. quickly, andy, what do you think should happen? >> i think the court should order the secretary of state to confirm eligibility and check new registrants with all the databases so to make sure this a person is a citizen, to make sure they are 18 years old, to make sure they are not a felon. they have theidate a. they willfully refuse to use the data. now we have a senate race decided by 312 votes.
they can't tell us if al franken was the elected senator by the people of minnesota. >> eric: well, he was -- officially elected. by 312 votes. so we have to go. but the lawsuit, judge will decide within 60 days. andy selick of minnesota, thank sose much. we will be keeping an eye on this. >> thanks, eric. >> jamie: today's an historic day in egypt. the first free presidential election, putting a muslim brotherhood candidate in power. should the u.s. be worryd? will egypt become a stronger ally or something snels we are live in tahrir square in cairo. if you have copd like i do, you know how hard it can be to breathe and what that feels like. copd iludes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiva helps corol my copd symptoms by keeping my airways open a full 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups.
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>> eric: a ruling on president obama -- health care law may come as early as tomorrow. there has been a lot of controversial -- controversy surrounding the media's coverage, leading up to this. liz trotta is here. she is an author, journalist and fox news contributor. good morning. >> good morning, eric. >> eric: what have they been saying? what do we expect? >> the guardian of england got it right when they wrote, the most significant race regarding federal powers in a century. so, you know, there is no shortage of hyperbole in the
media describing what might happen if the bill is -- if the law, excuse me, if the law is not upheld. interestingly enough, the new york times has had a lot of pieces about this thing. of course, they're tremendously anti-scail scalia, as are many in the media, with -- he -- him being called a partisan cheerleader by the new yorker. and the new yorker also in another issue decided to write quotes from his dissenting opinion in mockery. so the conservatives on the court have been a real target of the media, which is no big surprise. new york times has an interesting figure. one of its piece, they said the kaiser foundation, a respected organization, says that 13.7 billion dollars in federal money has already been spent under
this law. and of course, what is up for grabs, as soon as they get congressional funding is about $11 billion for community health and another $10 billion for public health. and there is no underestimating the damage that will be done to the president, according to the media. i mean the new york times this morning talked about heartache. did you see that, eric. >> eric: umm -- no. they trashed leroy neumann. i don't know if you saw that article. >> no, i didn't see that. >> eric: we will have time for that next week. i'm sorry. >> i want to say that, of course, the big thing is, the media mostly focusing on the individual mandate and then there are all kinds of convolait luted splaipgzs, if you are a lawyer, this helps. what the commerce clause and the constitution really means.
and you know, a lot of this, as you remember, eric, is an outgrowth of what happened in march when they had oral arguments. and the court, at that point, questioning the two sides, really didn't pull any punches. and the government's attorney was left in pretty much disgrace because he just couldn't stand up to scalia who asked about 15 questions in 12 minutes or something like that. so this is very much looked upon as something that could make or break the president. it's his signature legislation. it's the heartache of his administration, if it fails? >> 30 seconds. i mean, the conservative media attack the liberal judges. you say the mainstream media attacks the conservatives. who gets attacked more? >> what is really -- regardless of hathey believe, the question is, do they really -- are they really politically motivated? bloomberg did a survey and -- on the very matter, they said
three-quarters of americans say the supreme court will be flnsd by politics. well, what isn't in washington? of course, as you point out, the shoe's on the other foot now -- they had their way with the court for a long time. that is the liberals. >> eric: well, the decision expected this week. liz, i am sure we will be talk about this media reaction next week. >> absolutely. >> eric: good to see you. that's it for us on this hoist areic day in egypt. >> jamie: i'm jamie colby. much more on the elections in egypt, coming up from washington. sigh you tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m. [ kate ] most women may not be properly absorbing the calcium they take because they don't take it with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement
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