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his father's agony yesterday captured in this image that has been seen around the world. also, gordon cowden who lost >> good morning, everyone, it's sunday, july 22nd, i'm alisyn camerota. we're learning more about the master, and we'll learn about their survival and heroism. >> we're learning more how authorities managed to disarm the alleged the shooter's booby trapped apartment. rigged to kill. we're live outside the apartment. >> it turns out that the accused killer james holmes plotted for weeks, spending
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tens of thousands on weapons and gear. and analysts are weighing in before his first court appearance tomorrow morning. "fox & friends" starts right about now. >> good morning, everybody, thanks for waking up early with us, and joining us, steve doocy is in for dave briggs on vacation and eric bolling for clayton morris on vacation. >> it's a someone that everyone is watching. >> alisyn: we're beginning with new details the death trap inside james holmes' apartment. dozens of sophisticated homemade bombs police say were set up for one reason and one reason alone. >> make no mistakes, okay, this apartment was designed, based on everything i've seen to kill whoever entered, and
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if you think we're angry, we're sure as hell angry. >> so are we. >> mike tobin joins us from outside the apartment building in aurora, colorado. mike, it's the last couple of hours, people got the all-clear and able to move back into the area. >> it's remarkable. the people that went about their lives, and the quiet guy right above, was spending weeks and months gathering weapons, some by mail and planning the attack and rigging the apartment according to police to kill. inside the apartment, what we know now, at least 30 moment made explosives were rigged up. some of them rigged to kill whoever walked in the front door. he spent three weeks just rigging the the apartment. some of the devices were filled with gasoline, intent on starting a fire, there was a trip wire at the front door, but we also know from investigators that the living
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room was crisscrossed with trip wires, all went to a central control panel. some of the techniques that the local authorities and federal authorities used to get around the booby traps, the meant went through the window. you saw at that video, them working through the video and they used robots to go inside instead of a person at risk and they used water not only to surround explosives, but used a water blast to short out that main control panel. ultimately, there was a point where the situation was deemed safe enough where people could go inside and gather up some of the rigged explosives. some of those were fireworks rigged specially picked up and put into a dump truck filled with sand and driven to a remote location south of aurora here. and ultimately, those fireworks, the other type of makeshift explosives, were destroyed in a controlled manner. and then the evidence started coming out of the apartment. about 8 p.m. local time people saw laptop computer and a hard drive come out of this apartment and that should
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prove to be a treasure trove in terms of evidence. diaries this guy wrote and plans laid out and investigators are hoping to find a path of that on the computer and the hard drive that came out of here. in the meantime, the neighborhood here is now quiet. four of the five evacuated buildings people have been allowed inside. the only one evacuated, the one over my shoulder where holmes lived. >> mike tobin, thank you very much. >> here is an angle we hadn't heard too much about. apparently just as this guy left for the multiplex, what he did, he turned on the music really loud in his apartment. during the twelve o'clock midnight hour, just about the time things were breaking loose over at the cineplex, one of the neighbors, neighbors down below heard the techno muse going on and on and it was full blast, so,
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what kaitlin fonzi did, the woman who lived downstairs from him. see went upstairs and knocked on his door. jon scott sat down with her yesterday and she said this. >> at that point, i knocked on the door hardly, trying to get someone's attention in there and i noticed there wasn't any voices or anything, like as if there were a party going on which struck me as odd. >> you put your hand on the door and tried the knob. i did, i did put my hand on the door and tried the knob, it did seem like it was unlocked, but something told me it probably wasn't a good idea for me to go there so i went downstairs and called the nonpolice emergency number. >> did you think about opening it a crack. >> i definitely thought to open it and peek my head in, hey, knock it off, but like i said, something told me not to. >> alisyn: gives you goose bump. >> she could have opened it and the whole building could
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have exploded. so, we're learning so much more all weekend about the victims. 12 people were killed. 70 people were shot. of the 12 people killed their families and loved ones have come forward to talk how special they were and what kinds of lives they were leading, every one of them is a compelling story, here are photos of the 12 people who were killed in that, they were young, just striking how young they all were in their 20's. >> right, this is gordon, again, and one of the other things that strikes us, or me through the victims and survivors, there's a large military presence. >> there is. >> a lot of people from the navy that were involved, a couple of other army and i believe, a marine. >> and also, take a look at mikayla medek. there she is right there. i believe she worked at a local subway shop.
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john larimer, navy sailor, intel officer with the fleet cyber command stationed at buckley air force base right there. and there you see jessica ghawi, narrowly skirted death weeks earlier at the toronto mall there was another mass shooting and she had an eerie sense to go outside and haunted her she had escaped death back then. >> and the next guy, alex sullivan, one of the saddest stories, his birthday and turned 27 years old and wanted to go and an hour before the movie tweeted one hour till the movie and it's going to be the best birthday ever. unfortunately alex perished in the attack and the next day, today was his one year wedding anniversary and then we have
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veronica moser here. >> six years old. that picture provided by her grandfather, and her mother to h to the movie and her mother is in critical condition and just moved here to start afresh, she was in med school. >> and my wife, when they put up that picture, my wife started it cry, went to see the movie and never dame out. >> and a 29-year-old air force sergeant from california and also, based at buckley air force base in aurora, and then rebecca wingo was a 33-year-old mother of two, intake specialist a the a medical center in colorado and worked for a while as a chinese interpreter for the navy. >> and a 18-year-old, took his girlfriend with him to see the movie and speaking of girlfriends, there are a host
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of stories this morning of young men who took their girlfriends to see this movie, and ended up saving their lives. >> yes. >> alisyn: and sacrificing their own lives. there are four guys in particular who dove on their girlfriend or shielded their girlfriend or pushed their girlfriends under a theater seat and ended up saving those young girls and women's lives and they died themselves. >> let's talk about matt mcquinn, friday, a big premier with his girlfriend samantha. and apparently she was hit in the knee, he was hit three times fatally. they'd met at a target in ohio, and they were both transferred to the store in aurora where they are brother lived and the three of them went to the the movie. and then right there, you've got john blunk, along with girlfriend. s' former military and he told her we have to get down and stay down and pushed his girlfriend under the seat to keep her down and then later
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she told a reporter, he took a bullet for me, and then there's alex with his girlfriend amanda, and the stories go on and on, the stories of heroism. you know, and he had just finished graduate school and they'd been dating for a year. >> 24 years old. >> and there was one more, i guess we don't have a picture, but i believe the guy's name is jason nowlan, i believe it's spelled, went to the movie with two friends and threw the two friends on the ground, a former navy if i'm not mistaken, shot through the leg, onto the arm, broke his army, and saving their lives, he literally said he was the next shot again when the gun jammed. and he's positive he would be dead if the gunman didn't jam. the stories of heroism. >> there are people who are alive because these guys used their bodies as shields to protect the people they loved. >> alisyn: so we have more stories like that for you throughout the morning, in the meantime, we have other news
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to get to, including this fox news alert. a roadside bomb taking the lives of three more n.a.t.o. members, two were killed this morning in an insurgent attack and the third in a separate attack yesterday. details along with nationalities of victims have not been released. this brings the death toll among the u.s. led coalition, 30 people just in july. there are new development in the case of the two missing iowa cousins and police saying now they have evidence that suggests the girls are still alive. they have not said what that evidence is, but they say that they've expanded their search beyond state lines. ten-year-old lyric and eight-year-old elizabeth. persons of interest are interviewed in the case and they've not said who they are. the parents say they feel harassed by police and they've both spent time in prison drug charges.
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take a look at the scene in arizona, what looks like a wall of dust closing in in on people in phoenix, the massive wind storm overtaking the area. and losing visibility for drivers. and heavy rains swept through soon after knocking out power. >> whoa. >> alisyn: to thousands of people in and around phoenix and the windy conditions are expected it stick around until at least tomorrow. and those are the headlines. >> coming up on this sunday morning we continue to look at the movie massacre, what exactly was going on inside the mind of james holmes? dr. keith ablow here with some insight as we continue live from new york.
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>> it's what everybody wants to know. what was going on inside the mind of that guy, james holmes, the suspect at the massacre movie. >> alisyn: those who described him as a quiet loner and a very smart guy. >> what does dr. keith ablow think? he's a forensic psychiatrist and a fox news contributor and joins us from boston. >> good morning. >> what do you think? >> well, here is the thing, obviously, this terrible calamity is the last point on a timeline where student, somebody who intended to be a heal, neuroscientist and became a mass murderer and leaves behind a trail of carnage and a highly trapped booby trapped apartment and took weeks or months to put together. sounds on the face of it quite
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insane, but mental illness doesn't meannessly that he would be found not guilty by reason of insanity and still have intent and be mentally ill. >> alisyn: dr. ablow, something came up with one of our experts, said at this level, he was in a doctoral program at neuro science, that students are given or subjected to psychological testing, i guess, that the university wants to make sure that you are capable of the sort of rigor that med school demand. would he have had some psychological testing recently? >> well, james holmes was a candidate for ph.d. in neuro sciences, rather than candidate for an m.d. as a physician. and i'm not sure which expert said that, but in neither case are people made to sit for psychological testing themselves. that being said, it's clear that, i think it's interesting
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that some people who are attracted to the sciences, who tend to be tremendously reserved who are highly gifted intellectually yet very much socially uncomfortable, if that is the individual, it may have been at some point and maybe ph.d. programs, maybe universities should start looking at whether it would be wise to offer or reflect such testing of students, particularly, particularly when others might be concerned about them. after all, we do require that kids show evidence of immunization simply to go to grammar school. wouldn't it be wise perhaps-- >> to turn off your phone. >> exactly. another patient calling. >> you know, apparently, this guy got a genius grant from
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nih studying neuroscience and also mental illness and sometimes, maybe this guy thought, oh, something's going on with me? >> you know, i think that number one, some people think, you know, maybe something's going on with me and other thing is that people with tremendous empathy can sometimes be, you know, tend to tell people, look, you know, you can be in life, reliable, and never break down or a ferrari, capable of extraordinary performance, but you're in the shop a lot. if this person had that kind of a mind, where capable of extraordinary things intellectually and empathetically and also be fragile. also people tend to be interested in mental health issues when they've gone through things in their life and that may be the case with this individual as well. >> dr. keith ablow, you'll be able to pick up that phone
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mail message right now. we thank you so much for joining us early on this sunday morning from boston. >> all right, brother, take care. >> alisyn: next on the rundown, should welfare money, your tax dollars be going to buy booze and lottery tickets? that's happening and our nextness is trying to put a stop to it. >> then the police say the alleged shooter planned the movie massacre for weeks, so can james holmes plead insanity if that's the case? a former denver prosecutor and criminal defense attorney weighs in. you're watching "fox & friends." ♪ why not try someplace different every morning? get two times the points on dining in restaurants with chase sapphire preferred. ♪
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>> well, welfare money spent on lotto tickets? and there are looking to block spending cash on booze, tattoos, cigarettes and lotto tickets and rasmussen polls show too many people on welfare who shouldn't be. our next guest is a lawmaker pushing for reform and in fact, not one dime of taxpayer money should be used on anything, but the necessities that people need. the state representative is joining us, and this is a big, big issue going on right now. as of last thursday, president obama signed or is trying to push into law, waivers to the states to allow the state to determine what constitutes work in welfare, is that right? >> that's right. i think that's a dangerous way to go. we need very high standards in these programs and states already get a number of waivers from work and time limits so that probably less
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than half of the people on welfare, actually do have to work as it is. and they will use to their advantage any additional waivers that they get because it's much easier to not have to make people work and to just give people their welfare checks, so, you know, i think it's a mistake to have additional waivers in the program. >> it seems like we're going in the wrong direction, a the lot of taxpayers would say, hey, you're using my taxpayer money to allow people on welfare to spend money on booze, spend money on cigarettes and lottery tickets. what should we do? >> well, i just saw on an ebt commission here in massachusetts we were trying to do a lot of reform and what we really need to do is get a hold of the cash program. and in this country, we spend about upwards of 30 billion dollars just on cash assistance, handing it out to people. however, we have no control over what that money is spent on. and i've learned that, just in massachusetts, over 85% of the
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money that we give out is taken as cash at , essentially, these have become atm cards where people can take the cash and go and spend, spend it on anything they want. so, we totally get a hold of the cash and some kind of requirements on that, we're not going to be able to say, you know, you can't spend it on booze. we could say that all day long, eric, but the fact. matter is when you go go take money out, walk into the liquor store or the lottery store and get tickets or booze. >> eric: and buy whatever you want. >> right. >> eric: take a listen to democrat steny hoyer, he made this quote and want to you react. if you talk to economists they will tell you there are two things the most systtimulative and one is unemployment insurance, and the other food
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stamps. weigh in on whether food stamps and welfare? >> welfare and food stamps aren't free. they're take the money from taxpayers, but i don't see that as stimulating the economy, but redistributing. >> thank you. >> eric: more than a decade after 9/11, would-be terrorists could still attend flight schools in the united states. can you believe that. a mother after victim also happens to be a required flight attendant joins just ahead and the accused killer james holmes plotted the attacks for weeks, spending thousands of dollars on ammunition and other gear. so, can he plead insanity despite his pre-meditation? legal analysts from denver are weighing in before his first court hearing tomorrow morning.
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>> welcome back, everyone, thanks so much for joining us this morning, obviously, we have so much more information about that terrible massacre at the movie theater, including tomorrow morning, 9:30 local time, will be james holmes' first court appearance. >> it will be. >> alisyn: it's pro forma not
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expected to be terribly dramatic. he doesn't need to speak, it won't be long, but the first time that people see what he actually looks like without all of that riot gear, s.w.a.t. gear. >> right, this is the appearance where the judge says are you aware of charges against you. the first time we hear his voice. >> eric: and see if he seems to plead insanity defense, see how he acts. there's rumors, speculation, steve, he may have been spinning in jail. >> steve: according to guards. >> eric: is this part of his future defense, off his rocker. >> alisyn: there's some word he's been assigned public defenders and may be private attorneys who become part of his defense team. we want to bring in a former denver prosecutor and now a criminal defense attorney. karen, thanks so much for getting up early with us. we have a lot of of questions for you about his defense. if you were hired as his
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defense counsel, where would you begin with james holmes? >> i think, first of all, in this type of case, obviously, the first question that people are going to be asking is mou could somebody do this who was in their right mind. so, the question is going to be, what is his state of mind. what was his state of mind? one of the first things that the defense attorneys are probably going to have to be looking at the, is he even competent to stand trial and go through this process? can he-- does he understands what's going on? is he able to assist his defense attorneys, even with the defense? so, that's one of the first questions, is he competent. that's different from the question of was he insane at the time. >> steve: right, exactly, here is a guy who got a genius grant from the nih and undergraduate, he was the best of the best, working in neuroscience and studying, ironically, mental illness,
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and then he constructed -- carries this crazy web of bombs inside of his apartment. i mean, clearly he was a smart guy, but the question is, at what point does mental illness enter into it or insanity? >> well, you know, in colorado, there's two defenses primarily that we see with regard to the mental state. one is insanity and the other is impaired mental condition. and what we're talking about, did he suffer, does he suffer from a mental disease and defect that would make it, for example, with the issue of insanity, that he was incapable of distinguishing right from wrong? and with impaired mental condition we're looking at, does he suffer from some type of mental disease or defect that makes him incapable of forming to do something. the issue of how long he's been planning something
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doesn't -- while absolutely we say it shows intent and deliberation, but it still doesn't say what is his mental state. was he insane at the time. >> and you're now driving most of the country insane right now because this is what we're worried about, we're worried about some dumb legal definition of what is sane and what's not. put your prosecutor's hot on right now. are you going for the death penalty? >> well, you know, colorado is very conservative in terms of the death penalty, with regard to how often it gets asked for. it is reserved for the most egregious or the most horrendous. >> eric: this is it. >> defendants, for the most horrendous cases. in terms of is he eligible for the death penalty, under colorado's aggravating factors, absolutely, there are several factors by which the prosecutor says this is what we're going to do in terms of the death penalty. i will tell you that the
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decision to seek the death penalty is not going to be made for a very, very long time because, of course, one of the issues that the prosecutors have to look at is what was his mental condition at the time. >> alisyn: yeah. >> because basically under the law he's the not going to be able to be executed if he was insane. >> alisyn: we should mention you're a long time resident of the denver community and i mean, you have a 17-year-old son who went to a midnight screening of this "dark knight rises" batman movie. you can only imagine what you thought when you heard the news and whether or not you now think twice about what your 17-year-old son can do? >> you know, it's -- i think it's a time for a lot of our parents, we-- a lot of us parents, we send our kids to movie at the midnight showing with our only concern being that, you know, is there going to be a curfew issue as far as if they're out
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too late and those types of things. you know, what's really sad is that the movie theater is one of the few venues in colorado, and anywhere, probably, where, people really don't think about security. you know, you go to concerts and know you're going to get searched, you go to sporting events and you're going to get searched, but movie theaters are one of the places regardless how many people are there for whatever showing is going be to be there, i don't think that people think twice about the issue of security and unfortunately, at that now has been taken away. >> eric: absolutely. and now what, karen, my wife and i had a conversation with our daughter on friday night about, she was afraid to go to the movies, i don't think i'm ever going to go to the movie and it's reminiscent of a conversation we had with our children back in 1999 when just 15 miles away from where you're sitting, the columbine high school those two guys went in and started shooting
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everybody and trying to blow things up as well. >> absolutely, you know, i was a prosecutor in the juvenile unit at the time that columbine happened, and that changed the way not only that schools started dealing with security, but in terms of the way prosecutors started dealing with juvenile cases. you know, if somebody made a statement about oh, you know, i just want to get back at all of my teachers, i want to, you know, just the kind of statements that we would have seen before columbine. you know, all of a sudden now, that was going to mean that that kid was going to be taken into custody. >> eric: let's stay on columbine for a second. in columbine, the shooters, intenned they had a motive mad at the school, mad at the kids and mad at the teachers and acted out and there doesn't seem to be, anything i read, any pre-meditated motive with this shooter? does that make a difference in prosecuting him? >> you know, it really doesn't make a difference in prosecuting him. i think that there are so many
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people that want to know, you know, why would somebody choose innocent people where, you know, this type of ven pew. i mean, what -- why would somebody do that. i think our own curiosity, our own sense of feeling like what, why would somebody do this is there, but in terms of from a prosecution statement, it doesn't matter and i would imagine from the standpoint of the victims involved, from the families of the victims, at that at this point, it doesn't matter either. all they know is, either they have a child or a, you know, brother or a sister or parent who has died or is seriously injured or you know, was in that theater and is going to be facing life long, you know, just mental health issues in terms of the core. so, for them, i'm not sure that the motive really matters either, it doesn't change anything. >> eric: what i meant, will
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it make it even that more heinous because there wasn't any aggravating issues, he just went randomly into a movie theater and started blowing people away. >> that's an argument for the defense side, why he must have been insane at the time. because there's no motive. and you know, one of the, i think, what also distinguishes this case from columbine is that the families, the community, didn't have to go through the legal process of trial. >> that's right. >> of the whole thing, i mean, this is a process in terms of just a legal process that could take months, just in terms of, you know, getting things really started and if we're talking about the death penalty, we're talking about the death penalty it's a process that's going to take years and years and years, because even if he's given the death penalty, it's not going to happen for years and years and years, for the community, for the the victims and
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families, they're going to be going through this a long, long time. >> alisyn: so much more prolonged. karen, former denver prosecutor and current criminal defense attorney, thanks for your expertise, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> alisyn: and i worked in worked as a crime reporter and all they wanted to know is why, that's it. everybody wants to know why this happened. let's get right to your other headlines, we have more news to tell, but, a hollywood nightclub evacuated overnight after a malfunctioning fog machine release add dangerous amount testify carbon dioxide in the air the club hosting a pre-party for the teen choice awards at the time. witnesses described pure panic, nearly 400 party goers stampeded the exits their view blocked by fog. and mostly children, were taken to the hospital with burns, and they're expected to be okay. and the drew peterson trial, the former illinois police
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officer facing life in prison charges that he murdered his third wife, kathleen savio in 2004, prosecutors say he drowned her in the bathtub. and in the disappearance of his fourth wife, stacy, though he's never been formally charged. he denies involvement in both cases. a maryland teenager called a hero after rescuing a sleeping couple from their burning home. he was driving home from the movie three in the morning saw a house going up in flames when he knocked on the door, waking the couple in just the nick of time. >> and stopped and-- i guess, had i not knocked on the door, they wouldn't-- i wouldn't have been there. >> there you go, investigators believe that lightning caused that fire and thanks to alex, the couple is doing just fine this morning. >> there's your headlines.
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>> so there's a guy standing next to a weather map and he's going to tell us where it's raining. >> alisyn: who are you? >> it's not raining enough. 81 degrees in kansas city now and it's 5:30 in the morning, that's not good. and it's going to be another extremely hot day across the central plains and get ready the next two to three days, continuing to be extremely warm. not of that much rain and continued scattered showers in the south and significant in minnesota and as well as continuing to see the monsoonal activity, brought that dust storms we were showing pictures of across the phoenix area and that kind of activity. your high temperatures. 104 in kansas city and take a look the next three days, the baking going on here across the central plains continues, tomorrow, omaha, 107. tomorrow, kansas city, 106. and farther towards the south, heat continuing, all they a little bit of a break towards areas of texas, guys. >> those looks like zip codes not temps. rick, thank you very much. >> ahead, the brother of a
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joining us from pittsburgh. good morning to you. >> good morning, steve, great to be with you. >> steve: great to have you. apparently in an interview with a tallahassee affiliate on friday, says that as you republicans try to make hay with that comment, he says, the furor is bogus, all he's saying, we're all in this together. >> well, you know, in luke 6 there's a thing, out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. this is a president who really does believe what he says. it i understand that, not coming from the private sector, but 3,000 friends of mine, dealers who no longer have a dealership because the government decided. if you want to help people, you've got to blame. >> steve: and by saying that you didn't build that business, that reveals what he truly feels in his heart? >> i do believe that. i think this country is experienced probablying the
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most expensive sabbatical and the last three years very costly for us. but as a person in small business, all of us are the same, there's that time of the night, between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. usually, when you may be exhausted, but there's something going on in your life, in your business, it causes you to wake up and worry how am i going to get through the next day, how am i going to do it. most of us do it on our knees, through our faith and i think it's not expected i've watched it now three and a half years, almost losing one of my franchises and watching as i said 3000 other dealers who lost their franchise, not because of what they did wrong, but because the government decided. congressman you feel look, he's saying the government is there, we're all there together. the government isn't awake at 2 in the morning, wondering how to make payroll, you took the risk. >> a government, every penny that the government spends comes out of the taxpayer's pocket. somebody working hard every day to contribute so you look
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at this and start to wonder, my, oh, my, is there reason why to suspect why we are today. i understand well, i know how tough it is. i work with folks and we work to make it successful. at the end of the day it's up to that person sitting in the seat that the front of the paychecks that we sign are able to be cashed. my dad started in a general motors warehouse before the war and came back to work for chevrolet and start add small dealership in 1953 and built it into something we're proud of with the help of a lot of people, but now what, we stuck it out and did everything we could and many of those days, just sit down and say, my gosh, let me get through the night and the next day, somehow i'll make it, got to believe in yourself. >> steve: you do, indeed. congressman mike kelly from pennsylvania. thank you for joining us so early on a sunday morning. >> thank you, steve. >> steve: all right, ten minutes before the top of the hour. more than a decade after 9/11,
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>> more than a decade after september 11th, appears the tsa still is not doing enough to secure flight schools. reveals that even those on the no-fly lists are able to train at u.s. flight schools. alabama congressman mike rogers had this to say on "fox & friends" yesterday. >> what we learned at the hearing as just an aside and shocking revelation was that if you are in this country illegally, but you're on the no-fly list, you can still get a fly list and you won't let them sit on the plane as a
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passenger, but teach them to get in the cockpit and fly. >> alisyn: one of the hero passengers on flight 93 also happens to be a flight attenda attendant, good morning, alice as we said you lost your son at the hands of the terrorists on 9/11. what did you think when you heard that the tsa data base is woefully out of date. >> i agree with congressman rogers and delighted that a congressman from mississippi introduce add bill trying to close up that loophole. it is of course horrifying the idea that 500 to 550 people on the no-fly list are all eligible to take flight training cool. i'm so glad that they caught this loophole are they're doing something about it. >> alisyn: in fact, alice it's more complicated, according to the gao there are 25,000 foreign flight students who have not been properly vetted.
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they're not on the no-fly list, but haven't been properly vetted. you say it's just more evidence that flight, air travel has become more dangerous, what do you mean? >> well, i agree that it's become more dangerous, because we are moving away from 9/11 and we have developed somewhat lackadaisical attitude. a lot of that is fed by corporate greed, the greed of the aviation schools who want the tuition and support of illegal aliens and no-fly listers, flyers on the rolls of aviation schools. it's positively frightening, we need to put aside corporate greed and motives that are not all truistic, and everybody who is training has a good motive for being there. >> and you're the mother of one of the heroes of flight 93 and we appreciate you coming on to alert everyone of what a
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problem this still is. >> i'm just grateful for the opportunity. there are so many loopholes that need to be closed as we move away from 9/11 i can see that lacking is start to go korean in, it should have been fixed before 9/11 and so glad the congressman are-- >> absolutely. [ kimi ] atti and i had always called oregon home. until i got a job in the big apple. adjusting to city life was hard for me. and becoming a fulltime indoor cat wasn't easy for atti. but we had each other and he had purina cat chow indoor. he absolutely loved it. and i knew he was getting everything he needed
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>> good morning, everyone, sunday, july 22nd, i'm alis camerota. we're learning more about those in the tragedy. stories of survival and heroism. >> as the nation continues to mourn with colorado. we're learning more how bomb technicians managed to disarm the alleged killer's apartment. they say it was booby trapped it till the first responders, we're live outside the apartment in moments. >> and it turns out that the accused killer james holmes planned and plotted the attacks for weeks, spending
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tens of thousands on ammunition and other gear, so, can he plead insanity despite his premeditation, legal analysts are weighing in before his first court hearing tomorrow morning. "fox & friends" hour two starts right now. >> welcome to "fox & friends," and thanks to both of you guys, steve doocy, eric bolling and clayton and dave are on vacation. >> it's good to be with you as well. wherever you go, people are talking about this. a lot of people are planning to go to the movie and see this, now, it's like, do we go, do you think it's safe? here in new york city, they really amped up the police presence so people feel safe here, what about where you live? >> disturbing new details about the accused killer's apartment. you'll remember it was rigged with all of these explosive devices, it was booby trapped and now, police say it could have been just as deadly as the movie massacre.
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>> make no mistake, okay, this apartment was designed, i say, based on everything've seen to kill whoever entered it. make no mistake what was going on there, if you think we're angry, we sure as hell are angry. >> mike tobin joins us live from outside the shooter's apartment in aurora, colorado with the latest. mike, good morning. >> reporter: and steve, as the weeks went by, no one paid much attention to james holmes as he lived in this apartment right over my shoulder here, and he was spending weeks, even months ordering things over the mail. gathering up his weaponry, rigging up his apartment to kill and planning his attack and among the items in his apartment. 30 homemade bombs, a lot of them were constructed out of fireworks that he rigged and turned them into bombs. one of them was rigged to kill whoever walked in the front door. he spent three weeks alone, just rigging this apartment. some. devices were killed with gasoline, some of the devices were filled with chemicals,
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that would mix and explode into flames, there were trip wires at the front door and trip wires that crisscrossed the living room and they went into a central control panel. now, some of the techniques that the police and fire bomb teams use today get around there. you saw the video how they went through the video and they use yd a robot. didn't put it in harm's way. and they used water not only to surround some of these explosives, but they used water to blast into that control panel and short circuit the control panel. now, they got to a point where a lot of the bombs had been neutralized and put people inside of the apartment and able to carry away some of the explosives. they put them into a dump truck filled with sand and drove them to a remote location south of here and at that location a lot of the explosives were destroyed in a controlled environment. just about eight o'clock as we watched the evidence come out of this particular apartment,
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investigators were seen carrying out a laptop and a hard drive. now, that could really be ground zero in terms of evidence. investigators are hoping they can find a lot of path, the planning, any diary he kept, receipts from the purchases he made. there will be a lot of what went into the planning. as far as the neighborhood out here right now, it's for the most part quiet. we've only seen one person walking through the neighborhood. people have been allowed back into four of the five apartment buildings evacuated. the only one still evacuated is the one you see over my shoulder, that's the apartment building in which james holmes lived. back to you. >> eric: before you go, let me ask you about this. >> steve: on friday at the show as the news was breaking, the you saw the guys with the camera on the stick to see what's going on. apparently inside, there were 30 softball sized globes filled with gasoline as soon as somebody would open the door, one would bump into another and fall and trip
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wires on the floor. any idea where this guy this idea? it was intricate. >> since he spent a lot of time on the internet he would engross himself in what he was doing. as far as, there's all kinds of plans like that all over the internet, but as far as what we know about the design, the root of the design was some of the big fireworks, that you can buy, and you know, you want to take anything and turn it into a weapon you can do that. >> and aerial shells. mike tobin, thank you. >> alisyn: there are so many chilling details and eerie near misses about that night. one was the neighbor downstairs from this guy who apparently he had turned on techno music on a loop and it was deafening and maddening. >> bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, like that. >> alisyn: thank you. and kaitlin and her boyfriend were trying to sleep. thought maybe a party and she upstairs, and it was loud, but
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eerily quiet. didn't sound like a party. she went to the door and went to push it open, but something made her stop. >> i knocked on the door hardly and trying to get someone's attention in there and i noticed there wasn't any voices or anything as if there was a party going on which struck me as odd. >> you put your hand on the knob and tried the knob. >> i did put my hand on the door and tried the knob and something told me it probably wasn't a good idea for me to go in there so i went downstairs and called the nonemergency number. and did you think about opening it a crack. >> i thought about opening it and peeking my head in, saying knock it off. something told me not to. >> he left the door unknocked when the first responders came in, just went like that, boom. >> or, or a neighbor, or a neighbor and by the way, we heard from pelote of people who lived in the apartment building with a lot of kids,
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imagine if a kid went up there and said, look, what's going on, opens the door. it could have been ugly. >> uglier than it was. >> speaking of kids there were many parents killed. and we know the list of the victims, 70 people shot, every one of them has a story, and most of them young people in their 20's, and let's go through some of the victims and share with you some of their stories. >> there's gordon cowden, a 51-year-old father of three, ran a real estate appraisal business, very busy guy, made time to go to the movie. he died. >> of the 12 people that died he was oldest, the youngest six years old. this is micayla medek, lost her life. >> and there were many service members in the theater, john larimer, navy soldier stationed at buckley air force base in aurora. >> intel officer, cryptlogical
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technician. >> and jessica ghawi, jessica redfield her television name. >> and she had been at the a shooting in a food court in toronto last month and a bad feeling that something was going to happen and by the way, this young woman was also an intern at at the fox affiliate in denver. >> and the story, eric said, alan sullivan, his birthday turning 27 the night he went to the premier. >> eric: right and that tweet an hour before it started he said, this is an hour until the movie starts it's going to be the best birthday ever and a compelling picture of his father tom sullivan walking around the parking lot of the theater looking for his son and finding out he perished. >> alisyn: the next day his wedding anniversary. the youngest victim, six-year-old veronica moser,
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she was killed and gone to the movie there with her mom who is still in the hospital in critical condition. >> eric: the latest of i heard last night. mother was in critical condition and not told yet that her daughter was lost. >> steve: the story is so swelling. >> eric: they are. >> steve: we apologize we do not have pictures for some of the people killed and still want to tell the sorry, jesse childre childress, based at buckley air force base there aurora. >> alisyn: rebecca wingo, the mother of two daughters, intake specialist at a medical specialist in colorado and a chinese interpreter for the military. >> eric boike, took his girlfriend to see the movie with them. it's just on and on and on. >> the stories are so sad.
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>> so many young men and women went to the movie that night a big premier, a lot of people looking forward to it for a very long time. so it's not surprising at that there are real life heroes, guys who had taken their girlfriends to the movies and when the shooting started, the boys reflexively stepped in front of the girls, and saved their lives. we've got three pairs of such a bond. >> alisyn: yeah, matt mcquinn took his girlfriend nancy to the movies, he was 27. he took her and apparently, he just, you know, shielded her with his body. he died, but she survived. >> eric: another one john blunk with his girlfriend, also same story, over and over again. >> alisyn: and by the way he was a. >> eric: former military. >> alisyn: former military, but a father of two, he's divorced father of two and his ex-wife said he had always said that he hoped if he was ever in an emergency situation could he act as a hero.
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>> eric: and alex teves 24, took his girlfriend and used his body to cover her, just finished graduate school and they had been dating for a year. and all of those guys used their bodies to shield their girl. by my count could be off as least three or four of those killed had military backgrounds and a couple of the heroes who saved people who didn't perish, but saved a lot of people had military backgrounds, very good military presence there and maybe some of the training in the military helped them help others. >> alisyn: absolutely. we have other headlines to tell you about, a fox news alert for you right now. speaking of the military, another sad story, three more n.a.t.o. service members killed by roadside bombs in eastern afghanistan. n.a.t.o. says two were killed this morning in an insurgent attack and third in a separate attack. the exact locations and the nationalities of the victims have not been released, 245 people so far this year, 30 just in july.
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the fbi says they have evidence to suggest that two missing iowa cousins believed to have been abducted are still alive. they have not said what that evidence is, but that they have expanded their search beyond the state lines now. ten-year-old lyric cook-morrissey and elizabeth collins have been missing. and meanwhile, lyric's parents daniel and missy say they've felt harassed by police, both spent time in prison drug charges. there was a scare at newark liberty international airport. a device found in a rental car, finds out it's a fake. and the salesman, bomb defusing equipment, left the model in the rental car. and evacuated the airport and the man was detained in boston after authorities deemed the model explosive safe. he was let go and all airport
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activity returned to normal. there you go. >> how do you forget that. >> alisyn: i could do it. >> keep those things away from airports. >> alisyn: a fake bomb. >> 13 minutes after the hour, coming up, president obama is suspending his campaign and going to aurora, colorado to be with the families. more on the visit coming up. hey america, even though slisa rinna is wearing the new depend silhouette briefs for charity to prove how great the fit is even under a fantastic dress. the best protection now looks, fits and feels just like underwear. we invite you to get a free sample and try one on too. you can't argue with nutrition you can see. great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more pcessed flakes look nothing like natural grains. i'm eating what i kn is better nutrition. mmmm. great grains. search great grains and see for yourself.
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peterson trial. the former police officer life in prison. accused of murdering his third wife kathleen savio and the disappearance of his fourth wife stacy. >> one 20-year-old made it his mantra. >> he didn't want his weight to stop mimm from achieving his dreams, to go into the army. here to tell us the transformational story is special forces recruit. jay roundtree. >> good morning, jay. >> good morning. >> you know, there are a lot of people who would like to lose weight and your an excellent person to get this information from. how did you lose 200 pounds? >> the thing that everybody's been saying since you were younger, hard work pays off. i ate right, worked out, and just started to come off.
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>> and ate right and worked out and let me write that down. and maybe that's-- >> and could that possibly work? and let us tell people before we get to your wild success story, you were 400 pounds. how did it get so bad? >> i'm not too sure. i kind of started-- stopped doing things i used to do all the time. i played basketball, football and baseball since i was younger and then i kind of stopped playing. i think, i got cut from my 9th grade basketball team and then it kind of went downhill from there. >> eric: let's talk about what you were before and went on now. you went on a 1500 calorie diet and p 90 x. how many were you consuming before you went on the big diet. >> i'm not sure. i can remember there was a day i probably had 10,000 calories before in one day just from
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eating fast food. >> alisyn: oh, my gosh. >> eric: sure, much like michael phelps, but he was burning them off and you weren't. essentially you say it's a math problem. >> yeah. >> eric: you will lose weight if you do a highly restrictive diet. 1500 calories a day and burning things off with the p 90 x, but you had motivation. your family was military and you wanted to be in the service, didn't you? >> yeah, i did. i think -- i think the military's great. you serve your country and be proud, have people walk up to you all day and tell you thank you. i mean, i love that. >> steve: that's right. >> alisyn: and both your parents and your sister were in the army and you wanted to follow in their footsteps, but the army, you know, wouldn't take you at your previous weight. so was that your driving motivation? >> it was one of them. i mean, you try to -- when you're losing weight and doing stuff you just try to grab a hold of anything to use as
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motivation, and i used to, i used to say, it's a nice day out i'll go on a run and it's a cold you day out, i'll go to the the gym, like little things, anything i can use. >> absolutely. as you start your day, out of curiosity, what are you having for breakfast. >> i had oatmeal this morning. >> steve: very good. what did you have for breakfast. >> alisyn: i had oatmeal. >> and then-- i eat a lot during the show, i need to burn a lot of calories, but we're impressed with your story, it's an inspiration to a lot of people. thank you. >> good luck in the military. >> thank you guys. >> indeed. all right, straight ahead, the br girl who died in the columbine shooting 13 years ago, joins us with tips how to recognize the warning signs that somebody is about to snap and become violent. he's made that his mission to
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>> barack obama spending his campaign today. flying out to colorado to meet with the victims of this tragic movie theater massacre in the city of aurora. >> peter doocy joins us and when was he speiced to arrive. >> eric, the white house tells us the plan is right now for president obama to spend two and a half hours on the ground in colorado this afternoon visiting with the families of victims and meeting with local officials and the president was planning on heading west
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this week anyway it kick off a three-day campaign trip in california, nevada, oregon and louisia louisiana, but we learned last night he'll leave d.c. early to make the stop in colorado and the president's schedule has been shaken up by the shooting in aurora. as details came out as how truly horrifying the crime scene in theater 9 was and how many people were devastated by the gunman there, president obama canceled on friday, a campaign event in orlando and scheduled in event way back, deciding not to rail against his republican opponent mitt romney and remarks, instead expressed sorrow about the massive loss of life there. as the media starts to dig deeper and deeper into the background of the suspect, and the president's trip today is it reminiscent of his visit to tucson following the mass shooting there the beginning of last year, that killed six people and injured 13, including the congresswoman gabrielle giffords were
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arizona and we're not sure exactly who the president is going to meet with, but we should know by the end of the day today. stay tuned for that. >> alisyn: peter doocy, thanks so much. we get to the important stories, how can we ever identify the warning signs if someone is about to snap? well, after losing his sister, rachel scott, in the columbine high school massacre back in 1999, her brother started rachel's challenge along with the rest of the family and they traveled to schools around the country to educate parents and student how they can identify the common warning signs. the columbine shooting survivor craig scott, rachel's brother, joins us now from aurora, it's nice to see you this morning, before we get to your sister and how you travel the country. tell us how that area is doing this morning in light of what happened with columbine and now, years later this horrible
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tragedy? >> i think that, that you know, it's just very sad, and i think that a lot of people have been reminded of columbine here in the community, but we're trying to be there for and in support of people that are suffering now that have lost loved ones that were injured, that are more directly impacted by the shooting. and it's just a sad time in colorado. >> alisyn: yeah. craig, we remember you back in 1999 in the aftermath of the horrible columbine shooting and you and your family, you know, you wanted to do something in memory of rachel, your sister. you started rachel's challenge and traveled the country trying to educate parents and students about warning signs. what are the warning signs that something like this movie massacre are about to happen? >> you know, i think that it's hard to predict any kind of random act of violence like
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this, where you have someone that's just going to go into a random place and shooting and kill innocent people, people that he may have never met or had any interaction with, but what we tried to do with rachel's challenge, we try to affect culture through the power of story and give challenges dealing with kindness and compassion, how you treat one another, and kind of contribute to the atmosphere and culture like of the schools. and that actually, we feel like it's been an antidote to anger or hatred or violence. we know that when we've gone to schools and we've done our program there, that we have actually known about school shootings that have been prevented or students planning to hurt themselves or others, had a change of heart. so, for us, it's not so much about trying to identify who could possibly do a shooting
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and intervene, it's more of being proactive and focusing on what everyone can do to make the culture of the school better. obviously, this happened with a 24-year-old college drop-out and so, it's a different situation, but i do feel like the kindness and compassion our big message is an antidote to anger and hatred. >> alisyn: no one can argue that there needs to be more kindness and compassion in every culture and the fact that you and your family are trying to spread that and not have your sister's death in vain is beautiful. and craig scott, best of luck to you, we appreciate you being here this morning. >> thank you so much. >> alisyn: more "fox & friends" in just two minutes. i. nah. [ dennis' voice ] i bet he's got an allstate agent. they can save you up to 30% more by bdling your policies. well his dog's stupid.
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>> welcome back, everyone. thanks for joining us this morning. we're learning so many details about the horrible massacre in aurora, including the months and weeks of planning and calculation, this is what the police chief has said that went into what james holmes did. apparently he had been at this and ordering, buying weapons and ordering things on the internet for months. >> right. >> that's right. >> and what he purchased lately, he had the assault rifle, the high powered
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shotgun and two handguns, 6,000 rounds of ammunition, if you know anything about ammunition, that could be 6, 8, $10,000 in that alone. he had some money and he had to come up could be tens of thousands of dollars by the sounds of it. >> steve: it sounds now as if during the the rampage he started and his gun jammed and that's when he switched guns, in addition to trying to kill as many people as he possibly could in the theater, he also booby trapped his house. this guy, we had mike tobin on a little while ago and he said that there were 30 softball sized globes filled with gasoline, there were trip wires, apparently this guy spent a lot of time online looking at devious plots and stuff like that. we've seen allegations he was part after adult website, dating website, but clearly, this guy was trying to kill as many people not only at the theater, but in the second wave when somebody opened the door on the house. >> eric: can i point something out, steve?
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some of what we've learned or understand there was a 100 round magazine, separate magazine for the ak assault rifle. it's a semi automatic, which means if you hold the trigger down, it will shoot one bullet at a time and reload itself. fully automatic, it would continue to load and shoot. the strange part or quirky part he bought 100 rounds expecting to use 100 rounds and it jammed. so, in a quirky sense what could have been more destructive actually may have saved a few lives. >> alisyn: well, the aurora police chief had a press conference in which he talked about all of this separation. >> what we're seeing now is evidence, i think, of calculation and deliberation. >> what we know now is apparently this guy is on suicidal watch at the arapahoe correctional facility and blacked out his windows and
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can't see what's going on inside. apparently he's spitting at the door, spitting at guards and interestingly enough, the first night in jail, the inmates were serenading him with a chant, kid killer, because a six-year-old girl died in this. and according to a couple of inmates who were released all the inmates were talking about killing this guy inside jail. >> alisyn: i thought we were going to hear more from the police chief. what he went on to say was how incredibly angry he feels and how the police force feels and that's interesting because we talked yesterday that after grief, after the just incredible bereavement that everyone is feeling, of course the community will feel angry, that's a natural next step and the police chief was already expressing that. >> and it's good to point out that the police chief in aurora, colorado came, he came from new york city, a highly decorated new york city lawyer, detective. went to law school. but also, very, did a great
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job getting cops there within minutes of the shooting, cops on the scene. e.m.s. was on the scene and had people in the hospital quickly, doing a fantastic job, and should be commended for that. >> we also know that when he did his undergraduate work at the university of california he was a genius and referred to him as the best of the best, and then he graduated in 2010 and apparently, he had trouble finding a job and then wound up out there in colorado in a-- he had a genius grant because he was doing work for nih, at the sauk institute as well and this is an image, there he is right there. >> seated. >> steve: sitting down. he was working on, studying neuroscience and mental disorders as well, ironic. >> eric: you know, keep talking about this guy, we should focus on the victims, but get inside the mind this have guy lal bit. tmz this morning is reporting that he had a membership which means he was looking for a partner, a match and some of the whacky stuff that he was into, he goes through some of them and it
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just -- a social deviant. >> steve: what's interesting, people who met him on the the street and stuff they had interaction with, a pretty quiet guy until he got online and then look at the other website, what was it called adult friend finder stuff like that, he had a -- he had another life online. >> alisyn: and trying to look at the suspect and see if there's any way to ever spot these warning signs and prevent something like this from happening so we're continuing to get clues about him and tell you the victims' stories as well. people in norway are marking that devastating time for their country today, it's been one year since that bomb attack on a downtown building in oslo and that shooting rampage on that nearby island. remember that, those terrifying attacks killed 77 h
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massacre, his trial ended last month and sentencing him in august. and a number of ways to commemorate that day. and he's accused of exin the catholic church, he'll wait to see if he faces a indicn indict. a black bear in the sears store, and roaming the aisles. >> over to the honey department. >> looking for honey and picnic baskets when startled shoppers started running for the exits. >> he came right up by our foot and growled. she about-- >> it's a bear! and looked at each other and we just run
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out. >> and eventually officers trapped the 120 bear between two automatic bears and sedated and carried away, they think that the bear was lured to the mall by the smell of food. >> who is it? >> and we're guessing it's going to be on shepard's show tomorrow. >> didn't fall, no trampoline. there might have been a craftsman mower, another story altogether. >> alisyn: let's bring in rick reichmuth. >> he had a collar on, did you see that? the bear m a collar on, maybe somebody's pet? >> i think so. >> maybe brought him on a leash. >> alisyn: strange. >> rick: big storms across parts of the southwest, take a look the at video out of the phoenix area, another dust storm hitting areas ever phoenix desert area and amazing thing, i'm from arizona and lived in phoenix and you see these kind of dust storms come in a few times each other and spectacular, and causes problems, but a sight to see. strong winds in front of big thunderstorms that will happen
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and you get a downdraft of wind and it kicks up the dust and moves it in. today, another chance for some showers moving across the area and get behind behind this and that's good news and they will have more of that today. and this is the time of year you get some of the rains across parts of arizona. there you go, there's the rain, and the other story is very high temperatures across parts of the plains and it's going to continue here to see temps as you're waking up this morning, 82 right now in dallas. we have a lot of drought going on. the darker the color the worse the drought it. 81% of the u.s. is abnormally dry and 64% of the u.s. is moderate drought. the largest area under drought since 1956 and we're going back about 56 years since we've seen any kind of a drought like this. it's a pit short-lived. it's not years into this. and hopefully we won't see that kind of drought, but at least the next month or so, conditions certainly looks like they will remain dry across the plains and also extremely hot. your temp today.
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1:07 in omaha. 104. and 100 by the time you get to wednesday a break. and kansas cities the same story and st. louis, three days into the triple digits and heat is farther north this year and across the central plains unfortunately, guys. >> steve: and rick, you know, the thing is out in the middle where the so much of the food is grown. when it comes to corn, some of the farmers get 108 bushels per acre and forecasting, maybe five? >> yeah, corn and soy beans this year are impacted and impacting us, and the products that we don't realize corn is in. it's in everything. >> it's in our gas. >> and just about everything you buy. not only food products, but other products, too. big important point. food prices are on the rise in the those levels. >> and they're rising because
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of the drought. >> and mother nature not helping. >> alisyn: next on the rundown, one week after pulling spanish radio ads and more minorities on food stamps in america, the usda is now partnering with mexico to boost participation, we'll explain how that works next. [ feedback ] attention, well, everyone. you can now try snapshot from progressive free for 30 days. just plug this into your car, and your good drivin can save you up to 30%.
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criticism, the united states department of agriculture is now partnering with the country of mexico to boost food stamp participation. what? right now, former labor secretary nominee lyinda chavez, a contributor. >> good morning to you. >> steve: so the united states government is now cooperating with the mexican government to tell people in mexico about hour free food program? >> well, i think they're actually trying to get the consulates here in the united states to promote it with mexican immigrants, but the crazy thing, steve, is that mexican immigrants are likely less likely to actually apply for food stamps than those born here in the united states. that's a great thing. that's a good inning. it means that the immigrants who come here are not coming for a handout. so, why is our government trying to push them into a welfare mentality?
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it's utterly ridiculous, you know, when we have a deficit like we do and we have 46 million people now on food stamps, why are we out there looking for more customers? >> and that's the 64 billion or trillion dollar question, linda. why are we pushing that, for people who come here and a lot of them are not legal residents, you know, they want to do it on their own, but we're encouraging them, hey, come on, there's free food. >> well, that's right, and it is crazy because the whole idea of immigrants is they come here because they want to work hard and they want to make their own life and they're he not coming here for a handout. so, why our government is doing this is mysterious, i think what it really says is that government bureaucrats believe that in order to protect their own jobs, to increase the amount of money their programs get, they've got to go out there and constantly be looking for new customers. >> steve: sure. >> that's part of the problem with the growth of big
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government and frankly, i think this program is a disgrace and i don't think we ought to be promoting more welfare, if people are making it on their own, leave them alone, don't try to make them welfare recipients. >> and you'll sure you feel like i do, if somebody's hungry and don't have anything to eat, they need help. and that's what snap, used to be known as the food stamp program, is all about. and we've done stories in the the last month or two, how this snap program has become essentially a gigantic entitlement, it's questionable whether or not everybody on it really should be getting it. >> that's right. and then there's been a huge expansion of the food stamp program and other welfare progra under the obama administration and some are with the lousy economy we've passed and there's also the mentality of pushing the programs and it's making americans less, less
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self-sufficient and we certainly don't want that with people who are coming here. we have to take care of our own first and we should not be trying to push programs and push people into programs, when they have themselves. >> that's what the radio ads were accused of doing. and linda chavez who joins us from colorado, thank you very much. >> thank you, steve. >> steve: all right, still ahead on the rundown, when tragedy strikes as places we're supposed to feel safe like a school building or a movie theater. it can cause so much fear that it prevents us from having about our daily lives, is that a normal reaction and how can we deal with it. dr. mark segal is in the studio and he's up next. [ male announcer ] extreme environments can cause a spontaneous change in dna,
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>> tragedy like the shooting in aurora, colorado occurs in places that are meant to feel safe like shopping centers and schools and offices. >> and there's a chain reaction of emotion, that can cripple our daily lives and here with advice how to cope with these emotions, author of false alarm, the truth of epidemic of fear, dr. siegel, it's great to have you here, obviously, everybody in the aurora area is traumatized, but there's a ripple effect for us across the country and we're experiencing trauma as well. what do we make of that. >> fear is a very powerful emotion, from the center of the brain something we get from animals because we're supposed to be protected against danger and fear protects us. if you're in the theater, fear
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is a awfully good thing to have. as we watch it on television, we can have fear, too, and that overrides our reason and personalize the risk and think it's going to happen to us, we get worried about movie theaters and we go to a movie theater yesterday i saw the police outside the movie theater and i'm thinking what are they doing there and everybody gets a little nervous and anxious that it do happen to them and then i worry as a physician, as an internist, what's it going to mean for their heart and medical problem. statistically, the chance are so low this is going to happen to you. >> eric: the chances are low, but the fear will, i guess, show itself in your health, right? >> no question about that. the hormones you make when you're afraid are very, very bad for your health. and over time, they can increase your risk of heart disease. you know, fear is contagious, if i go to the theater and i'm
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afraid, the person next to mae may be afraid. if i talk to my children, i don't know if i should go to the movies today. why dad? why shouldn't i go? it spreads around the community and not good for us. >> alisyn: the fact that it spreads around the community and not good for us. >> alisyn: the fact that we have the residual fear, how are we supposed to cope? >> that's a great question, the same center that involves fear, involves courage and laughter and faith. i think that faith is a great thing right now because if you look to god and you'll find that that's the only person you're supposed to be afraid of and channel your awe and fear to god not the mundane things around the world. courage, laughter, and daily business. go to the movies. if you go to the movies and get used to this, hey, nothing is happening, i can go and stay. >> dr. siegel, good advice, thank you, sir. >> alisyn: next, lawmakers are politicizing the tragedy in colorado calling for strict are gun laws and controls. is that approprs and cte so soo we report and you decide.
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>> again, everyone, it's july 22nd, i'm alisyn camerota. what's happening at this hour. they say the accused colorado killer planned the rampage for weeks and how he built up the arsenal of terror coming up. >> eric: and also, an apartment rigged to kill. we'll walk you through the painstaking work bomb experts had to go through the suspect's booby trapped apartment. it took him three weeks to create it. we will have a live report from the scene. there's the outside of the building in aurora right now. >> we are going to stay on this. a closer look at the victims
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and heroes who sprung into action inside the theater that day, including three men who died trying to save their sweethearts. "fox & friends" hour three starts right now. >> good morning, again, thanks to eric and steve for filling in for the vacationing dave and clayton, they appreciate it. >> absolutely, there will be a prayer vigil at 6:30 at the aurora municipal center and the president of the united states is dropping by. he was going to be headed to california and we don't know the nature of his remarks, but the intention is for him to meet with some of the families of the victims. and yesterday afternoon, the list came out of the 12 people who this guy shot dead at the movies. >> alisyn: let's go through it with you now, because each one of their stories is riveting and affecting and touching,
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starting with gordon cowden, thefo father of three. so many of them were in their 20's and most of the victims were younger, and this is the oldest of the victims at 51. >> and micayla medek, a 21-year-old student at aurora community college and again, so many victims in their 20's. >> alisyn: i believe she worked at the a subway shop. >> she did. a number jobs. >> and an intel officer with the intel fleet cyber command, jn larimer. >> alisyn: one of the stories i'm haunted by is jessica ghawi, an intern at our fox affiliate there and she is the woman who had just narrowly escaped death weeks ago when there was another mass shooting at toronto mall where she was from. she had a sixth sense a couple
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of minutes before that shooting, and went outside of the mall and that's when the chaos started and this time just so tragically she was not able to avoid this. >> alex sullivan, he had just turned 27 five minutes prior to the starting of that movie and the night of the shooting, and he had tweeted just an hour prior to that. just an hour until the movie starts, this is going to be the best birthday ever and today would have been his one year anniversary and you're looking right now at alex's father tom sullivan holding up a picture of alex and looking for his son and found out he's one of the victims shot in the massacre inventory the youngest victim, six-year-old veronica moser, right there, her mother ashley also shot and wounded as well. they had just moved to aurora and start add fresh start. she was in medical school. you know, there's one image we played at the conclusion of the last session, a young man being comforted at a door,
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with looks like a police officer or something like that, and at the hospital. >> cradling his head in his hands and he is the father of the youngest victim. >> alisyn: before we get to several more victims i want to say there was also a lot of talk, remember, how there was a four month old at the movie that night and the four-year-old. the story of their parents, those children's parents are coming out at the movie with them. 25 years old this couple and they right in the aftermath of the tragedy, he proposed to her, and said it's time to get married. these tragedies bring people together. >> and that picture that have six-year-old girl, if you look at it, i don't know if we can pull it up again. one of the most heart breaking you can think of. the little six-year-old girl eating the ice cream cone there and her grandfather sent it in eating the ice cream cone there and goes to the movie and never comes out, it's heart wrenching. >> steve: it is, and also there are stories that we don't have the pictures of the
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people, but we want to tell you about staff sergeant jesse childress, a 29-year-old from california based at buckley air force base there in aurora. >> alisyn: one of many military members in the audience complex that night. and rebecca wingo, 33-year-old mother of two, she was an intake specialist at schreiber medical center in colorado and chinese interpreter for the military. >> and aj boike. he took his 18-year-old girlfriend to the movie with him. again, so many tragic, tragic stories, young people, military people, but there were heroes. >> steve: there were heroes, a number of guys who took their girlfriends and when the shooting started, at least three of the boys we know stood between the shooter and the girls, they died. the boys did. and the girls survived. that's matt mcquinn with girlfriend samantha.
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>> he dove in front of her, and witnesses say dove in front of her to shield her from the the bullets and john blunk was with his girlfriend. a father of two and did something heroic and saved his girlfriend. >> and also a former military and his, you know, impulse was, we have to get down he said, got to stay down. and he pushed her down to the floor. and she lived. >> and then there's alex teves and his girlfriend amanda. and you've look at some the pictures, another picture in the new york post of them with the beautiful background, this tropical background, they were happy people, going to see a movie one day and then one of them not coming out. >> steve: these men used their bodies to save the woman he loved. >> alisyn: that one he told his girl friend to get down on the ground and covered up her body. and there are new details coming out on the death trap that this suspect james holmes had set up in his apartment.
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dozens of sophisticated handmade bombs and police say they were set up for only one reason. >> make no mistake, okay, this apartment was designed, i say, based on everything, i've seen to kill whoever entered it. make no mistake, what is going on there. you think we're angry and we sure as hell are angry. >> mike tobin joins us from outside the apartment building in colorado with the latest. his intention was to kill as many as he could at the movie theater and when the cops went to investigate this guy, as soons they opened the door of the apartment behind you, it was going to blow up. >> that's it, that's exactly it, steve, with all of the planning that went into the scene of carnage that we learned about at the movie theater we know now, there was a second planned scene of carnage, that's the apartment building behind me. some of what we know was inside the apartment building. 30 homemade explosives and the root was a firework, called an
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aerial shell retrofitted to become deadly and you heard the police chief say probably would have killed lice officers if they were the first to go into the door. and he spent three weeks alone just rigging this apartment and we know now at least two months were spent online making the purchases for this deadly attack and now, some of the devices were filled with gasoline intent on creating the fire and some of the devices were filled with chemicals that would explode or burst into flames when mixed. there was a tripe wire at the front door and intent on setting off the first bomb and trip wires crisscrossing the living room, all went into a central control panel. here are techniques that the bomb squad use today get around all of the trip wires and the booby traps. first of all, you saw on the video they went through the video. they used robots to keep people out of harm's way and they used water to surround a lot of the explosives and they used water to blast into that central control panel, and short it out. and ultimately, they the got to a point where they felt it
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was safe to send people inside and bring a lot of the explosives out. those were loaded into a dump truck filled with sand. so that things wouldn't get bumped around and explode while they were transporting the explosives and they drove them to a location, south of here, a remote location where they were destroyed in a controlled environment. and then, the investigators were able to go inside the apartment and start searching for evidence, a process that will continue today. but we saw about 8 p.m. local time, they brought out what could very well prove to be ground zero with evidence. a laptop computer and a hard drive. a lot of that investigation still has to take place today and that's why when you look at the apartment building behind me it's taped off and the residents can't go back inside of this apartment building, even if people lived in the other apartment because the investors want to preserve all of the he evidence as they continue going through this apartment right now. guys. >> all right, mike, thank you very much. >> i'm so struck by the incredible police work during
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this entire massacre and tragedy, i mean. >> so professional. >> alisyn: so professional to, i mean, just astounds me how they were able to defuse. he's a smart guy, a scientist. how they were able to defuse and get everybody safe in that apartment complex and furthermore, how within a minute and a half of the first distress calls going out for the movie, the police had formed that-- >> great job, ali, we were wondering what was going to happen with that apartment, was it going to go off. what were they going to do, set off detonate inside and just the anxiety. not knowing what's going on. it must have been palpable in aurora, colorado. >> steve: it's amazing that the building is still standing behind mike tobin, because just as the alleged killer left, what he did was he set the trap and then he turned on some very loud music and the people who live downstairs, it was midnight.
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they were trying to sleep and the music was blaring, so, a woman by the the name of kaitlin fonzi went upstairs to tell that guy to shut that music down and almost blow the entire apartment building up. here she was with jon scott yesterday. >> at that point i knocked on the door hardly, trying to get someone's attention in there and i noticed there wasn't any voices or anything like as if there was a party going on which struck me as odd. >> you put your hand on the door and tried the knob. i did, i put my hand on the door and tried the knob. it seemed like it was unlocked, but something told me it probably wasn't a good idea for me to go in there and i went back downstairs and called the nonemergency number. did you think about opening it? >> i thought about opening it a crack and peeked my med in there and yell knock it off, but something told me not to. >> i know we've got to move on here. the movie played for one hour
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and shut off. was it to try to lure people in or make it seem like he was inside at the time when he was actually executing people in the movie theater? interesting. >> don't know yet. >> meanwhile, a look at other news. roadside bombs take the lives of three more n.a.t.o. service members, two soldiers killed this morning in an insurgent attack and a third in a separate attack yesterday. details of exact location along with the nationalities of the victims have not been released. brings the death call u.s. coalition, 245 this year, 30 in july alone. another bombing attack on an egyptian gas line this morning, take a look at these flames, they're shooting up in the air. and they pulled up in trucks and detonated them from affair and the pipeline had been shut down and leftover gas fueling the plane and this is the 15th time the pipeline has been
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>> hours after the colorado shooting massacre, lawmakers and other high profile poll
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ti-- politicians started calling for more gun control. >> it's a tragic with so many murders with guns every day, it's just got to stop. instead of the two people president obama and governor romney talking about broad things they want to make the world better place. okay, tell us how. this is a real problem. >> alisyn: joining us with more reaction now is the host of fox news sunday, chris wallace, hi, chris. >> hi, guys. >> alisyn: it wasn't just mayor bloomberg. the mayor of philadelphia also came out and talked about, a lot of people talking about that on fox news sunday this morning. some people think that, hey, it's too soon. others, others who feel passionately about this saying this is exactly the right time to start talking about gun control. what's happening in washington with this issue? >> well, you know, it seems to me a sensible conversation to have and there are two sides to the conversation, because you have the gun control
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advocates like mayor bloomberg saying let's put stricter controls on guns, on the other hand, you have some conservatives who were saying the problem isn't too many guns, it's too few guns and i've heard a lot of people say, you know, if there had been somebody in that theater who was armed, he could have stopped the shooter. so, i mean, there are two sides to the argument. now, in terms of what's actually going to happen in washington, absolutely nothing. and the democrats over the last 20 years, it's been one of the more dramatic political changes that i've noticed, just don't want to touch gun control, because they think it's an issue that really hurts them with a lot of voters if they want to win over and the polls really have shown a dramatic change. back in the early 90's the gallup poll showed 78% of americans favored stricter gun controls and that's now down to 40% and there's not a lot of public support. >> can i jump-- . let me put in one point, if i may. the day that it happened on
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friday, jay carney, the president's press secretary said the president is not going to propose any new policy on gun control, nothing's going to happen. >> but, chris it's not about the gun control discussion, that discussion will happen and debate will happen. the question is mayor bloomberg, hours after the shooting, and lives are still in the movie theater, and calling for them to say something, trying to jump the gun and first one there to call gun control at the top of the headlines? why would he do that? that's the discussion of it the timing of it not what the discussion is. >> i must say i think that he had a perfect right to discuss it and i don't think he was saying that romney and obama had to say it that day. but i can understand. the mayor of a big city, as he said, i go to the hospitals, i go to the morgues, i see the victims, i see the first responders who end up getting shot and i'm not saying he's right or wrong, but i don't see anything wrong with michael bloomberg raising it just as you i don't see
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anything wrong with somebody on the other side saying if he had been armed, could have got the shooter. >> and chris, on your show, who are your guests? >> a live report from the latest on the situation on the ground and then we are going to be talking, well, i will jump the gun there, if you see we will have a live interview with benjamin netanyahu, an awful lot in the middle east, syria in the middle of civil war and chemical and biological weapons, if they have control of them or not and israeli tourists killed and diane feinstein and ron johnson talking about gun control. >> and we've put up the photos and what to expect 40 minutes from now. >> alisyn: have a good show. >> thanks, guys. >> alisyn: with the presidential election drawing near, many conservatives are trying to reach out to young americans. up next, we're going to talk to the director of a new film that will soon be hitting college campuses and the
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>> people all over the world are remembering those who were killed in the "dark knight rises" movie massacre. and the pope offering condolences, shocked by the violence and offered prayers to the victims' families to offer them strength. and aurora residents gathering at gateway misto release balloons in memory of aj boike, a graduate of the school and another vigil for
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the victims is planned for tonight. >> thank you, ali. young americans foundation is teaming up with award winning director steven mann with a film answering president obama's class warfare rhetoric. it's called "the conservatives". here is a clip. >> there's a difference between political freedom and economic freedom. >> in bolshevik, or the first thing that was done was to go after the small business man, independents. one of the cancer cells of the american economy, the reason we're not growing, the reason we're not creating jobs, the reason that most young people can't find a career is because the government is crowding out the private enterprise system which barack obama hates. he loathes the free enterprise system. he hates businesses' never worked for a business, never started a business, he tonight understand a business and doesn't know how the job
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creation process works. >> joining us now is the director of the film, peter ban nonand who appears in the film, the author of "throw them all out",'s he been here in the past. welcome to both of you. steve, obviously, you're trying to tell the story about how all of this idea of class warfare really gets started on the america's campuses. >> this is aimed at young people. over two-thirds of young people under 30 voted for president obama last time. if you go one or two election cycles, and lose those people, you've lot the-- >> this film is taking the big ideas of conservativism and tie it to the big personalities, peter schweitzer, monica crowley, mark levin, michele bachmann, people like that and steve moore, dr. walt williams take the big ideas with big personalities and try to have a big impact and show people that never had this kind of class warfare, we're a conservative country and those conservative ideas are what made us great. >> steve: and peter, the whole
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idea is that for a lot of kids on college campuses, they just get one side and it's way left, they don't know anything about the right. >> that's exactly right. that was my experience in college, you know, 20-something years ago and even more so today. i think the reality is that really this political correctness, is only hearing one side is really a sign of weakness on the part of the left. when you have an open exchange of ideas, as relates to how to live your life and how our society should be organized, i think ultimately the conservative ideas win. this is a sign of weakness. what we're trying to do is to encourage and to let conservative students know, there's a different view, you're not alone, not isolated, there are 0er conservatives on campus as well. >> steve: steve, the president of the united states, a week ago gave you promotional material when he said if you've got a business you didn't build it. >> that statement is so ridiculous, when you think of the entrepreneurs in the country and the principal
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entrepreneurship in this country and shows president obama, when he was at columbia, he never had the ideas, that's an incubator of the left and that's for parents and grandparents to watch with their children and watch with young people and have an open discussion around the family table. >> steve: sure, and you know, peter there are so many new voters, and people who voted for the first time last time or this time as well, i like the idea of where you're talking about families getting together to talk about how the politics of what's going on in the united states impact their family. >> that's a good idea. >> right, also these things don't happen in abstract. it's one thing to talk about all of these ideas, your college professor talks about how these societies should be organized, but the fact of the matter, how people live their lives and i think that parents can talk to their children how one should live their life and have a successful life in the meaning of this word and revolves around the conservative ideas not utopian
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ideas nobody lives their lives with. >> they talk about it a lot in college. >> where do people see it. >> august 1st, young americans concert. and buy it dvd, ship it to you. also available online. >> steve: thank you, steve ban nonand peter is in it and the book "throw them all out". >> thanks, steve. >> steve: meanwhile, calculation and deliberation, the words used to describe the suspected colorado shooter's plot to kill as he goes before a judge tomorrow morning about this time, is he likely to get the death penalty? we'll have some legal analysis straight ahead.
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>> welcome back, everyone. we now know details from the police chief in aurora of just all of the preparation and calculation and that went into the shooter's plans. apparently he took weeks, months building an arsenal of weapons. he bought lots of weapons. he ordered lots of ammo over the internet. look at the list of some of the things he had compiled there. >> eric: sure, and one of the things that really stands out. i don't know if we have that. ups delivered 90 packages to his office.
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now, the details on where he worked have been a little bit sketchy to say the least. did he have a regular job? did he spend time, you know, part-time, full-time job. >> alisyn: i think a lab at the university where he was going to school. that's our understanding? >> right, but he dropped out of school, so, if he's not in school and he doesn't have a job, you saw the last facts there, he spent $15,000 on the stuff he would use to kill people. here is the chief of police out there, dan oats just yesterday talking about what a conniving mind puts this altogether. >> what we're seeing here is evidence of, i think, some calculation and deliberation. >> all right. and joining us right now, weave' got with us craig silverman, former chief deputy, district attorney, long time friend of this program as well. craig, where did he get the money to buy this stuff, any idea? >> i don't know. i hear he comes from rather affluent neighborhood and so,
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he's 24 years old, and he made the supported by his family. >> maybe. >> alisyn: to us lay people, to regular people, this seems like an open and shut case. hundreds of witnesses saw a deranged young man enter a movie theater and perpetrate a blood bath, yet, i know to lawyer types this seems as though he could go on for months and years adjudicating this guy. why? >> right. if you want a case that never dies, pursue somebody for the death penalty in colorado and be successful, these things stretch out over a decade, especially with a defendant takes advantage of all the legal mechanisms. it is a slam-dunk case. it's not a whodunit, it's murder, premeditated word, this is triple pre-mmeditated
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murder and i believe the prosecutor will bring a death penalty charge against him. >> wt about the penalty at the time or subsequent to whether or not he's able to stand trial? is there any chance that anything like that could slip into this trial? >> absolutely, we saw with john hinckley situation with ronald reagan, we don't know for sure, but it's pretty tough in colorado to show that his mind was-- and these are defective and incapable of distinguishing right from wrong. he apparently knew how to cover his tracks, booby trapped his apartment. he expected the police to respond. if doesn't seem like he was hallucinating or operating in john hinckley land, something like that. >> greg, you make a good point. we've had mike tobin reporting from outside this guy lived until he wound up there in the arapahoe jail, and that is that, you know, aside from wanting to kill as many people
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as possible there at the batman movie, he wanted to make -- he wanted there to be another blood bath when the first responders went to his apartment. so, he may have been a genius in college, but at some stage, this genius turned to madness. >> i agree and with the mental evaluation, the only possible defense and they will pursue it, but i expect at the end of the day we are going to find out that he has an empty social personality, otherwise, known as a sociopath, and a lot of people on death row and locked up for murder are sociopaths. this was such a sociopathic act. >> alisyn: being a sociopath doesn't mean that he's criminally insane? >> absolutely. it's a complete different world. soci sociopathology does not mean insanity. most people in jail for murder were mad about something, were
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evil. it's an evil act. sociopathology, ted bundy or something like that. >> quickly, i read that the prosecutor may be retiring before we find out definitively if he gets the death penalty. which may change the idea of the death penalty. put people at ease, will they still seek death penalty even if the prosecutor retires. >> she will be replaced by a new district attorney in the elections. and interesting enough, arapahoe county is a big swing county in this battle ground state. there will be politics around this on the local level and with president obama coming today, as arapahoe county goes, so goes colorado and perhaps so goes this presidential election.
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>> wow, the political calculation to it. craig sullivan former chief deputy district attorney, thank you for joining us today from aurora. >> thanks. >> let's get your headlines now, and more to tell you about, a scare at liberty international airport after what was thought to be a twice in a rental car and turns out it was a fake. officials say a salesman for a company who makes bomb defusing robot left the mock explosive in the trunk of the rental car. an employee found it aalerted authorities at the airport. and the authorities deemed the model explosive safe, he was let go and all airport activity was returned to normal. jury selection set to begin tomorrow in the highly anticipated drew peterson trial. the former illinois police officer facing life in prison upon charges that he murdered his third wife kathleen savio back in 2004. prosecutors say he drown her
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in a bathtub so she would not get his money in the divorce and the 2007 disappearance of fourth wife stacy though he's never been formally charged with that. he denies involvement in both cases. the president of penn state university decided to take down the statue of late football catch joe paterno that stood outside of school's football ste football stadium more then a decade. after determined that paterno covered up jerry sandusky. crews arrived and removed the statue moments ago. >> good decision. >> alisyn: that's a landmark in this case. >> it is. meanwhile, let's go to rick reichmuth and hot days across the plain. >> across the country. 12 different states have a heat advisory. the red, excessive heat warnings and indices somewhere around 110 degrees, where you
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see that darker color there. actual air temperatures also incredibly warm. take a look at what the highs look like today. 107 in omaha, nebraska and 106 omaha. and kansas baking as well as oklahoma, farther east it's not so bad to the ohio river valley. chicago again at 94. st. louis 100. it doesn't just end today. take a look what happens the next three days, tomorrow in omaha, 107. st. louis, 104. kansas city, 106. farther towards the south. kind of that oklahoma area that's the worst of it. we'll see a little bit after break across areas of texas back into the 90's. guys, back to you. >> rick, as a former president of the future farmers of america, as i am. i've actually seen on very hot days, the corn has actually popped while on the stalk. >> get out. i don't buy it for a second. >> steve: okay, maybe (laughter) >> i'm going to borrow it. >> steve: that's why they
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>> the voter i.d. law in pennsylvania is targeted by the aclu, but even the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit seems to agree that having a photo i.d. seems to be the solution. she says, quote, a the lot of people don't have the right i.d. have given up. i see them and i tell them you've got to keep trying. why aren't others without i.d.'s willing to play by the same rules? a senior fellow at the heritage foundation, okay, let me get this straight. this person, this woman is a lead plaintiff with the aclu, but agrees that a photo i.d. is important yet the aclu is suing the state of pennsylvania because their
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i.d. law seems to be against their principles? >> yeah, well, that illustrates, really, what a waste of time the aclu lawsuit is just like all the others they have filed against other states and have lost. look, don't forget, the united states supreme court upheld indiana's photo i.d. law four years ago and this is just a complete waste of time and resources for pennsylvania. aclu ought to be helping people, the few people that don't have i.d. get them. . >> eric: what's the eric holder department of justice, why are they doing this? >> look, the justice department unfortunately has been more politicized under holder than any other attorney general and his ideology and politics driving their litigation against photo i.d. it's a common sense reform, and the majority of americans support it, and look, the states that had i.d. in place like georgia and indiana, had
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few problems. and very, very few people don't already have an i.d. >> eric: right, there are several states going through the voter i.d. law growing pains and nebraska is one that comes to mind, alabama, i think there's another one. what is the trend? is the trend towards having a valid picture photo i.d. for voting? >> it is. and states keep passing it just like pennsylvania and then they get sued by the aclu and others and the aclu always loses and then the i.d. gets put in place like it has been for years in a number of different states. >> eric: all right. i want to read the aclu statement. aclu of pennsylvania believes the state's new voter i.d. statute is an unconstitutional law that will disrow portionalitily affect older citizens, people with disabilities, minors and lower income people. do you buy that. >> no, there are 8.7 million
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issued driver's licenses, and 99% of the registerular voeft e- voters, 99% have a photo i.d. and the idea that it's going to keep them out of the poll, we know it's not true. >> eric: and i believe texas the same problem. >> that's exactly right. >> eric: hans, thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> eric: is it going to cost more to drive your car, some are planning track devices like gps to tax per mile. is this an invasion of privacy? we take a closer look next. and rigged to kill, how authorities describe the alleged shooter's apartment. we'll have more when we come back.
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>> president obama will travel to colorado this morning days after the dark knight massacre at a movie theater in aurora. the president is suspending campai campaign. and the suspect james holmes will make his first court appearance tomorrow. >> alisyn: thank you. drivers in florida may be taxed to drive. and they have a tracking device installed in cars, the point is to tax the driver per mile to help pay for road repairs, but is this a costly
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invasion of privacy? >> yes, but don't ask me, let's talk to the president of less government, steven mottley. good morning to you, steve. >> good morning. how are you? >> this is exactly what we love. we want to have a gps so the government can know how far we've driven so they can tax us a dime a mile or something like that and this is a gigantic invasion of privacy, isn't it? >> well, yes, i mean, it is the-- california is the state that want today put a meter in your home monitored by the state and if you used too much heat or air conditioning, they could shut it off remotely from sacramento. >> good. >> so would you be driving on the highways, 60 miles per hour and then all after sudden your car shut off because you've reached your maximum mileage quota. >> alisyn: let me tell you their side of the story and they say that this is all about fairness, why should somebody driving one mile per week pay the same.
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it's an issue of fairness, if you're charged by the mile, everybody contributes something to the system and says the the committee in san francisco, we're not interested where they go, we're only interested in the amount they travel. if you're not much of a driver, why should you pay the same. >> bill gates, why does he pay more taxes than i do. at the end of the day, we need transparency from government not trance paisparency to government. not to evade, not to do illegal activities, but because the government doesn't need to know every deduction i have in my business every year. when the government wants to tax you per mile, it's a patently absurd invasion of your privacy. additionally, you want the cost of everything to go up? start taxing long haul truckers per mile. >> steve: good luck with that. it's like okay, so if we're
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just going to -- if we're going to become an a la carte society, where, oh, you drove this many miles, you're going to have to pay this. you went to the library and you're going to have to pay-- >> a deduction tax. >> and already drivers are paying more in the form of gas tax. >> yeah, and the argument they make, the other argument they make, well, we have better fuel mileage and getting less in taxes. one, we have better fuel mileage one, because it would have happened anyway, but happened at the point of a government gun. so it's like the government ordering you to bang on a drum and then issuing a fine for noise violation. and secondly, we have a lot more americans who own a lot more cars and are driving a lot more. i would argue, i haven't run the numbers, but i would argue that the additional number of drivers paying the lower, the already absorbtant rate--
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>> who is supposed to way for the decrepit bridges? >> here is the thing, we already pay plenty of money the problem is that the government spends is terribly. we operate on the assumption that the government is penning every penny wisely and all it needs is more money. rather than looking for new revenue streams, look at the government and see where we can cut, waste, fraud abuse and stupid programs and they already generate enough revenue, what they need to do is spend it better. >> steve: how far do you live from the studio? >> i drove about, it's about 11, 12 miles each way. >> steve: okay, i want you to send $1.20 to the d.c. government. okay? just to be fair. >> wait a minute, if it weren't sunday i'd pay $4 an hour to park at the meter. >> alisyn: and actually, just send it to steve. that's what he's hoping for. >> this is a tax on having a job. >> steve: well put. >> alisyn: steve, thanks so much for coming in, we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> alisyn: coming up, she went to complain about the loud
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>> alisyn: good morning, sunday, july 22nd, i'm alisyn camerota, thanks for joining us, we're learning more about the victims of the dark knight movie massacre 12:dead, 58 injured, we have their stories of sadness, survival and heroism in the face of evil. >> an apartment rigged to kill. we'll walk you through the dangers and painstaking work bomb defusers had to go lou to disarm the booby-trapped apartment. you will not believe how many bombs were in it, including the refrigerator. a live report from the scene in moments. >> clayton: as it turns out the accused killer planned and plotted for weeks, spending tens
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of thousands of dollars on ammunition and other gear, can he plead in sanity, despite the premeditation? legal analysts from denver are weighing in before the first court hearing tomorrow morning, first thing in the morning, "fox & friends," hour four, starts, right now. ♪ >> it is 9:00 in new york city an 7:00 in aurora, colorado, since it is sunday morning, all across the great country of our there will be a number of priests and pastors who will use what happened a couple of days ago out there in the front range of the rockies as a discussion of good and evil. but, ultimately it comes down to this: why? why did he do it? >> alisyn: and this morning we are learning, more details, we haven't gotten an answer to why. maybe we'll never have an answer to why but we do have many, many more details including what went on inside of this accused killer's apartment. rigged with so many explosives
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it could have been just as deadly as the movie massacre itself. >> make no mistake, okay? this apartment was designed, i say, based on everything i have seen to kill whoever entered it. make no mistake about it. what was going on there and if you think we are angry, we sure as hell are angry. >> mike tobin, who has been on top of this from the beginning joins us left from outside the apartment building in aurora, colorado with the latest. mike. >> reporter: good morning, eric. well, people in this seemingly quiet neighborhood were going about their business and not paying attention to the quiet guy who lived in the apartment building behind me. police say he was planning not just the attack in the movie theatre but a second scene of carnage at the apartment. here's some of what we know was inside of the apartment building. 30 homemade bombs, a lot of these were retrofitted from fireworks and reconfigured so they'd be deadly and spent three weeks just rigging the apartment. we know how he spent at least two months on-line.
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making purchases, prior to this deadly attack and some of the devices were filled with gasoline, to cause a big fire when they exploded and some chemicals, and would explode when they were ultimately mixed and there were trip wires, not just the front dorks intending to set off the first bomb, there were trip wears crisscrossing the living room, going to a central control panel and here's how the bomb squads got around it. you saw the video, they went in through the windows and used arms an poles to reach inside and do the work and also used robots to go inside and keep people out of harm's way, and, they used water. in some cases, to surround the bombs so they wouldn't explode and also used water to fire it into the control panel and short out the control panel so it no longer worked. eventually they got to a point where it was safe for someone to go inside of the apartment building and start carrying things out and they carried out some of the explosives. and, loaded them into a dump truck filled with sand.
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they drove it to a location south of here, a remote location where they had a number of devices set up, so they could sdrie all of the fireworks in a controlled environment and they did that and destroyed all of the explosives and did so successfully. after that the investigators, detectives came into the apartment and start taking out ef. -- evidence and 8:00 p.m., finally took out a laptop and the hard drive, and should prove to be a treasure trove of evidence, purchases made to diaries kept could be on the combination of laptop and hard drive and we are watching for tomorrow, james holmes will make his first appearance in court. eric, guys, back how to. >> before you go, mike, we haven't we seen his mug shot, the booking photo with the red hair? >> it is interesting, the police made it clear they do not want to release that and people tried to make a request through the jail to see if it will come out and the jail is defaulting to the police, for whatever reason
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as part of their investigation, possibly it is the red hair and possibly, thus far unconfirmed through local police, connection that he called himself the joker. it seems to have something to do with the investigation but they don't want to give out the mug shot. >> maybe tomorrow with the first da day en court. >> alisyn: here's the question, if it was midnight and you were trying to sleep and loud music was emanating from a neighbor's home or apartment and you went down and found the door open, would you go in to that apartment to try to get to the bottom of what the loud music was. >> this is not theoretical. >> alisyn: i suspect you guys would go in. i think guys would go into yell at the person. a young woman in the apartment didn't do that. i think you would go in. >> eric: i think i would, too. the door is either ajar or slightly ajar, from what i understand. >> alisyn: unlocked. >> eric: unlocked... i think i would... >> here's the thing, the woman
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who lived downstairs from james holmes, they couldn't sleep and the techno music was blaring and she went up and pounded, nothing. and realized it was open... would you? probably. but had she, she would have blown up the whole building. here she is with jon scott. >> at that point i knocked on the door, hardly, trying to get someone's attention in there and noticed there wasn't any voices or anything, like, as if there were a party going on which struck me as add. >> you put your hand on the door and tried to knock. >> i did put my hand on the door and i tried the knob and it seemed like it was unlocked but something told me it probably wasn't a good idea to go in there and i went back downstairs and called the nonemergency police number. >> did you think about opening it a crack and... >> i definitely did think about opening it, just to yell in there, peek my head in and say, hey, knock it off, but like i said, something told me not to.
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>> eric: i would pound and probably yell a little but i don't think i would ever try the door knob. >> alisyn: i'd try the door knob -- it was a scary enough and ominous-enough sound, her 6th sense went off and she did the right thing. >> eric: if the door was locked i probably would have kicked it open, at the end of the year the music down and i heard an improve from a woman who lived either next to him or below him who said i have four kids, four children living in that same apartment complex, had someone done that the numbers would have escalated. >> absolutely. >> eric: victims would have escalated. >> and as we heard from mike tobin and other reporting, the guy was building the intricate bomb inside the apartment for three weeks. i mean, it is amazing he didn't blow himself up in the process. he was a genius according to the people who worked with him at school. >> alisyn: we want to tell you the hard rending stories of the
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victims, more have come out, this is the oldest victim, a father of three and owned real estate, appraisal business and it is interesting, at 51 years old he was the oldest victim because so many 20-year-olds packed the theatre for the show. >> and a 23-year-old student at aurora community college and she worked in a local subway shop and, she was excited, waiting for the new batman movie and wanted to be there first and wound up losing her life. >> eric: and like many in their 20s, 27-year-old john larimer, stationed at buckley air force base, high influence of military veterans among the dead. >> alisyn: there were and we told you about this woman, with the eerie story, jessica ghawi, who just escaped another mass shooting at a toronto mall, weeks earlier and, she carried around a feeling of complete knees with her ever since that time. >> eric: alex sullivan, 27, a tough story, turned 27 the night
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of the premier and tweeted, it would be the best birthday ever. >> alisyn: it was his wedding anniversary. >> eric: and there's a picture of his father, we saw that a day-and-a-half ago and, you know, he didn't know anything about his son, my son went to the movie, i think. i don't know if he is in there. he was and... >> and if this doesn't make you tear up, you have ice in your blood, the youngest victim, six-year-old veronica moser. her mother, ashley was also shot and wounded, now in hospital and her mother apparently has not been told about her daughter's death, went to see the movie and never came out. >> alisyn: and her father, cradling her head in his hands and he was interviewed by a local report and sounded beyond grief-stricken. >> staff sergeant jeff rey childers, based at buckley air force base in aurora, another fatality. >> alisyn: and rebecca wingo,
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she was 33 years old, mother of two daughters intake specialist at shriver medical center in colorado and a chinese interpreter for the military. >> eric: and no picture of a aj boik, who took his girlfriend to see the movie. >> alisyn: and there was a scene, all the purple balloons were let go at his high school. >> eric: and someone in the hospital, josh nolan, a navy vet, took a bullet to the leg and arm, and, he saved two lives, lying on top of two people at the time. >> there will be a prayer vigil tonight, 6:30 local time. >> alisyn: a "fox news alert," three more nato service members have been killed by roadside bombs in eastern afghanistan and networks soldiers were killed this morning in an insurgent attack and a third in a separate attack yesterday, and the exact locations and the nationalities of the victims have not been released. it brings the death toll among
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the u.s.-led coalition to 245 people, so far this year. 30 just in july. new developments in the case of the two icing iowa cousins. authorities now saying they have evidence that suggests the girls are still alive and have not said what the evidence is but we know they are expanding their search beyond state lines. the ten-year-old and 8-year-old have been missing more than a week and the fbi says it is interviewing persons of interest in the case, and they are not saying who those are, and, one of the girl's parents said they feel harassed by the police, both of them have spent time in prison on drug charges. now, extreme weather, a storm in phoenix, arizona, strong winds kicking up the sand and making it dangerous for driving conditions. heavy rains also went through the area, knocking out power to thousands of people, and the windy conditions are expected to stick around at least until tomorrow. those are your headlines. >> eric: 11 minutes after the top of the hour on this sunday
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morning. accused gunman james holmes set to go before a judge tomorrow at 9:30, denver time. >> could it be years before justice is served? >> eric: we asked judge jeanine pirro about this, live in aurora, coming up. >> alisyn: and lawmakers are political siding the tragedy in colorado, calling for stricter gun control laws, is the timing appropriate? we have been talking about it this morning and we'll let you decide. >> mark stein, next. [ buzz ] off to work! did you know honey nut cheerios is america's favorite cereal? oh, you're good! hey, did you know that honey nut cheerios is...
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♪ >> steve: hours after the horrific shooting in aurora, colorado, high profile politicians were already calling for more gun control laws. >> this is obviously a problem
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across the country. >> i don't think there is any other developed country in the world that has remotely the problem we have. there is no other place that allows -- we have more guns than people in this country. >> steve: this is the mayor of new york city, michael bloomberg but is it too soon for this kind of town, joining us is "national review" columnist and author of "after america, get ready for armagedd armageddon", mark stein, thanks for joining us. >> great to be with us, steve. >> steve: too early to talk about more gun control laws. >> absolutely. it is generally -- mike bloomberg has a habit of talking about these things too early, he got the times square bombing wrong and, he says this wrong, do. the worst shootings, the worst mass shootings take place in these very countries, germany has total gun control and has two of the three worst school
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shootings ever, worse than littleton, colorado and, in brian, derek byrd killed as many people as were killed in aurora colorado on a tiny island with the strictest gun laws in the world and there are argument you can make in favor of gun control in a utilitarian extent, but with these one-off shootings, they are completely irrelevant and bloomberg ought to think of that before shooting his mouth off. >> steve: the key is the crazy one-offshootings, crazy people, they would kill people with a bomb, poison or an axe and apparently he figured that was the way to kill the most people. >> yes. and as you reported he has spent most of the previous month going to elaborate lengths to booby-trap his entire apartment. people can kill large numbers of their fellow citizens with fertilizer and all kinds of things. what makes the difference here
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is whether you have alert, self-reliant citizens who are capable of stopping these guys before they ramp up the body count. the appalachian law school in west virginia, ten years ago, nobody remembers that one. only, i think, only two people died, because the shooter was pinned down by two fellow students who were carrying guns. and pin him down until police arrive and in the movie theatre, military personnel were there and, took their girlfriends down and, people who know how to have a is what keeps the body count down, gun control is irrelevant to it and bloomberg who has the impressive track record of getting all the incidents down, a guy can't even clear the snow off of new york city streets,
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because he is at his holiday home in bermuda for the weekend, this guy ought to leave at 48 hours before commenting on anything. >> steve: well he ordered more police around all the batman movies in new york city but he wants the president to weigh in on i and mitt romney as well and they've take in the road where now is not the time. >> well, for example, i mean, just to take one of the ladies you talked about earlier, jessica ghawi, she was -- she died in colorado. she had been in the shootout in toronto. which has total gun control. it is the gun control capital of canada and the gun crime capital of canada and the shooting she was involved in was at the eaton center, the central shopping mall, which is like being shot at in rockefeller center and the idea that gun control creates a safe environment i think is
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completely salacious. >> steve: and look at the fact washington, d.c. and chicago have gun bans and how safe are they. mark styn, thanks for joining us today from beautiful voerment. thank you, sir. >> thanks a lot, steve. >> steve: 20 minutes after the top of the hour on this sunday. if you built it, thank the government? president obama's comments that if you have been successful you didn't get there on your own, now the focus on political ads. who is doing a better job with their messaging? president obama? or mitt romney? our old buddy with the dial, pollster frank luntz weighs in, next.
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>> alisyn: the president sparked a big debate when he said this about small business and government. let's listen: >> president barack obama: if you are successful, somebody
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along the line gave you some help. somebody helped to create this unbelievable american system that we have that allows you to thrive. somebody invested in roads and bridges and if you have a business, that -- you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> alisyn: those comments are the focus of a new series of political ads, joining us, to break it all down, is pollster and fox news contributor frank luntz. great to see you. >> that comment that he made, barack obama is one of the great communicators and i realize those who don't like him should at least acknowledge he knows how to connect and that one did exactly the opposite. >> alisyn: and mitt romney's campaign made hay of it. let's quickly look at this campaign ad, the campaign put out and have you comment on it. >> president barack obama: if you have been successful you didn't get there on your own. if you have a business, that -- you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> my father didn't build this
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company? through hard work and a little bit of luck we built this business, why is he demonizing us for it? >> finally, we have someone who believes in us and believes achievement should be rewarded, not punished. >> we need somebody who believes in america. >> i'm mitt romney and i approve this message. >> alisyn: what do you think. >> we tested it in the last 48 hours and this is the first truly deeply successful mitt romney ad, for three reasons, number one it speaks to who we respect the most in america, the small business owner and, number 2, it divides barack obama from the rest of america and we want to celebrate and cherish the person who builds the business with their hands and number 2, straight to camera and direct and a real human being, not a politician delivering the challenge to the president, one of the best ads of the collection campaign so far. >> alisyn: president obama's campaign used the words to say basically mitt romney has taken them out of context, let's listen to his campaign ad as it relates to this:
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♪ >> president obama exposed what he really thinks about free people and the american vision. he said this: if you have a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> president barack obama: if you are successful, somebody along the line give you some help. there was a great teacher somewhere in your life... >> we value school teachers, firefighters, people who build roads. >> president barack obama: somebody invested in roads and bridges and if you have a business, you didn't build that, somebody else made that happen. >> you couldn't have a business if you didn't have those things. >> president barack obama: the point is, when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiatives, but, also because we do things together. >> alisyn: mitt romney will say anything. what do you think of anything.
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>> he had to do that, obama had to do that, because the first ad showed so much potential, the issue with barack obama, he doesn't celebrate economic freedom which is a tremendous challenge and when you run the 1% versus 99%, when you run a campaign that divides people, of course you will be vulnerable if you seem to speak that same divide. >> alisyn: but specifically the ad, it is confusing, because there are parts of it where it seems like the president an mitt romney are agreeing and parts where he is saying, don't believe mitt romney. >> i don't understand why barack obama doesn't come out and say, for those of you who created something and got to be very rich, successful, awesome. we are not going to punish you, for those who are innovators and creators, great, we will not tax you anymore because you have been successful. in this country we don't punish success and for the first time the obama campaign made a mistake and the mitt romney people say if you build something you deserve to be protected and celebrated.
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good for the romney campaign and you know i have been critical of them. that is the best ad they have run so far. >> alisyn: frank luntz, thanks for coming in. >> by the way, fox news viewers if they want to participate in focus groups go to and, they, too, can be part of the fo>> alisyn: you heard it, . we'll tweet that out, too. thanks, frank. accused movie theatre gunman james holmes is set to go before a judge tomorrow morning, kite be years before justice is served? judge jeanine pirro joins us live from aurora, colorado, next. [ male announcer ] if you want play in the same sandbox as luxury s.u.v.s, it helps to have an interior full of hand-selected wood trim
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♪ >> steve: the accused shooter in a colorado movie massacre is in solitary confinement for his own safety and the first court appearance is set to take place tomorrow at this time, but legal experts say it could be a long time before justice is served. perhaps years. >> alisyn: joining us live from aurora, colorado is the host of "justice", judge jeanine pirro. great to see you this morning. judge, this is what is so frustrating about the legal system. if you will. that it seems like an
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open-and-shut case and there are hundreds of witnesses, to the master that he allegedly perpetrated yet it could take years for justice to be served. >> well, there is no real way to tell how long it will take, but, make no mistake it will be a very long process. number one, although he is to be arraigned tomorrow i suspect there is going to be several adjournments before the final arraignment, under colorado law a defendant is supposed to say whether or not he is going to proffer the insanity defense and that seems to be the only defense because, as you say so well, it seems to be a case where there is no question as to what hooped here and it was premeditated and there were months of planning and weeks of booby trapping his apartment but at the end of the day it will be a long, wrangling process between, number one, will he be kwof competent to stand trial and is
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he capable of assisting in his own defense, understanding the nature of the charges, that is hurdle one and then, insanity and under colorado law, it is the classical rule, did he know the difference between right and wrong or capable of formulating the intent to commit the crime but what i love about the colorado statute and kudos to the legislature, they say insanity is not from a mental depravity anchored in anger, resentment, revenge, hatred, or evil. so they are saying if you are a hateful person you cannot use insanity as a defense and as we both know, insanity only works in 1-2 percent of the cases. let's move to rule number 3. possibly death penalty. the sitting d.a., who is a woman, has sought death at least six times in four separate cases. i don't think that this case will be one where she won't seek
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it and that brings in a super-due process issue, making sure everything the courts do is done in a way that can survive appellate review, so no question it will be a long process and, alisyn, as i talk to people in aurora, it seems they are still in shock and still stung by what is going on and we'll get to the point where people are going to start to get really angry at this senseless, premeditated, calculated crime. >> steve: >> eric: judge, i watched your show and found it fascinating and someone went to the place where he worked and neighbors around the area. you are there, what is the sense of the neighborhood? >> well, you know, people didn't know holmes that well. he was a loner. he was quiet and just moved into that apartment building and, as you well know, this woman downstairs heard the trans music, and went upstairs and for
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whatever reason, a guardian angel or whatever, did not go into the apartment, and she says tempted to do so because of the loud music playing, nobody could get a handle on him, he was quiet, didn't draw a lot of attention but, as we go forward, eric, there is no way someone didn't have a sense of what was going on here. he was in a graduate program and dropped out of the graduate program within a month before it happened. we don't quite know why. i had a guest on justice last night who said, he might have been thrown out of the program but that is not yet confirmed. a lot of questions surrounding this guidance his ability to stay under the radar, for so long. and, also, on justice last night we had a 17-year-old football player from high school, who really, you know, had a bullet that went through his neck and literally sat here and talked about it last night. a lot of trauma, a lot of pain. a lot of shock here in aurora.
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and, as you know, the movie theatre is right behind me. it was quiet yesterday. only a few cars outside. and we suspect cars of the victims who didn't make it out alive. and, you know, last night we started seeing more activity and people coming to pay their respects at this theatre. >> eric: judge jeanine pirro, live from aurora, colorado, thank you very much. the judge -- and we have talked this morning about the neighbor who heard the really loud music. >> steve: i looked at the e-mail machine and a lot of you wonder if this could have possibly been the scenario, where the music came on, really, really loud, blaring, around midnight, right? and he'd do the shooting at 12:15 and e-mailers speculated, maybe the idea was, why he left the door open, hear the music and would go up there and turn the door and blow up the building and then all of the police in the area would go to the apartment building and when he started shooting at the
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theatre, you know, wait, it would be a gigantic diversion, a number of people have said and maybe... that is maybe what he had planned. >> wait until the building blew up before he'd go into the movie theatre. >> steve: if it blew up all of the evidence... >> eric: that machine can get you in trouble, if you keep reading the e-mail machine. >> alisyn: all right, let's get to your headlines, a lot more to tell you about, more, nepeople norway are marking a devastating time. thousands gathering now on the island where their most horrific shooting happened. also, in downtown oslo, marking the one-year anniversary of the terror attacks there, anders breivik confessed to the terrifying bombing of the downtown building and the shooting rampage at a camp on the island that killed 77 people and, the trial ended last month and the court is going to sentence him in august.
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a driver crashes into a bridge sending 20 people flying out of their seats in a kansas city zoo. >> they hit the pillars and everyone in the seats went running to the floor like a car accident. >> i looked behind me and saw little kids crying, cuts and bruises all over them. >> alisyn: at least three people were taken to the hospital, their injuries nonlife-threatening, it is suggested operator error caused the crash but the zoo is investigating. a maryland teenager is called a hero after rescuing a sleeping couple from their home, the 16-year-old was driving home from the movie and saw the house in flames and he woke up the couple just in the nick of time. >> like, i mean, i guess... i knocked on the door. if i stayed for the credits, i wouldn't have been there in
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time. >> alisyn: investigators believe lightning caused the fire and thanks to alex the couple is doing just fine today. those are your headlines. eric: all right, and meanwhile with the headlines for the weather, it is hot. and rick reichmuth joins us with a map that is already heating up. >> rick: steve, you can speak to this, kansas city, 104° for your high. >> steve: been there. >> rick: it doesn't get that hot, i spent five years in nebraska as a kid, temperatures, brutally hot and everything is dry, right here and there is an area of high pressure and all of the moisture completely going around it and we are seeing rain across the dakotas and minnesota and iowa and it is kind of just right to the south of that area. where all the heat is. also, significant rain across parts of the four corners and mostly arizona an utah. that is beneficial rain but the central part of the country is just baking and the next few days looking extremely tough. look at your next three days in omaha. tomorrow, 107°, and kansas city tomorrow, 106°, st. louis, above
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100 all three days, all three days and same goes for tulsa and, along with the heat, the heat has been so dry and we have the very significant drought going on, the worst we have seen since 1956. to put it into perspective. 81% of the u.s. is abnormally dry right now. 64% of the u.s., under a moderate drought. unfortunately, the outlook for the next few months, central part of the country, it will increase, a bit of improvement across arizona an aside from that, likely getting worse as we move through the rest of the summer. guys? >> eric: rick. it is hot outside in the midwest, but, you know what? you are cool. >> alisyn: a beautiful throw back. thank you. >> eric: weather related... >> alisyn: if you were successful you didn't get there on your own, those words caused president obama backlash from small business owners and up next we'll hear from one of them. >> eric: an apartment rigged to kill, bomb experts successfully disarming the accused killer's booby trapped apartment. how they were able to defuse the
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trap, still ahead. >> steve: and coming up live at noon, eastern time, jon scott has a live interview with aurora police chief dan oates with the latest on the investigation. be sure and tune in for that, we'll be right back. and i thought "i can't do this, it's just too hard." then there was a moment. when i decided to find a way to keep going. go for olympic gold and go to college too. [ male announcer ] every day we help students earn their bachelor's or master's degree for tomorrow's careers. this is your moment. let nothing stand in your way. devry university, proud to support the education of our u.s. olympic team. devry university, proud to support the education well hello, welcome to summer road trip, huh? uhuh yep uch let's find you a room. at, you'll always find the perfect hotel. because we only do hotels. wow. i like that. nice no. laugh...
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>> eric: president obama sparking backlash about the role of small business and government. >> president barack obama: if you were successful, somebody along the line gave you help, somebody helped you create the unbelievable american system we have that allows you to thrive. somebody invested in roads and bridges and if you have a business, that -- you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> somebody with a small business is david macarthur, vice president of macarthur's bakery, in st. louis. how are you doing. >> good morning, how are you. >> when you heard the president
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say that, what did you think. >> can you see the slap mark across my face? at the same time my father, oink rolled over in his grave. dad started the business in 1956 and, there are three brothers and we grew up above it and we consider ourselves the waltons of the bakery business and it shows where the president's soul is, when he goes off prompter, president obama and his beliefs come out. i believe this guy grew up in a world where people opened doors for him his whole life and every time they opened a door, they turned around with their hand out, we are not solyndra or gm or chrysler and nobody gave us anything and when we have credit problems there is nobody there to raise or debt ceiling. >> eric: let's talk about the head winds you face as a small business owner, forget babout te president, but the friday the 13th moment there. tell es about your employees and
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the health care situation. >> you know, we are one of those small businesses that is typical of what america is made up of and we are at 100 employees, slightly a little less, we insure 52 people. you know, what happened to us with obamacare, i say it's not so much, i talk about the costs it went up to us, our premier costs went up, but, you know, i tell everybody, that works for somebody, take out your insurance card and look at your deductible. last year our deductible was $2500 and this year it is 6,000 for a total am and last year the e.r. room payment was $75 and this year it is $250 and, i have a friend whose cost is $500 and the costs are piling up on us and people like the administration and people that believe in these facts, you know, don't have a clue how it comes from and you cannot pass it to the consumer. the consumer only has x amount of dollars in their ball let and you lose business.
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fuel costs, running -- they talked about, oh, boy, fuel went down, fume is on its way down, $3 a gallon, that is like saying i only have the knife in 6 inches and backed it out to four, i hope you don't bleed to death as fast. >> eric: no kidding. >> steve: we hear the frustration in your voice, is there anything done the pike to give you optimism. >> frankly, i don't see it. i don't see it with either party. i'm not a party guy, not a democrat or republican guy. we have a republican controlled congress right now, and, americans are paying double the amount for sugar than any other country in the world. shu sugar prices have gone up 70% in four years and i have little faith in most of our government. what we need to do is send a whole new set of senators and congressmen and the president on down. >> thank you very much, sir. >> eric: tell government to get out of the way of small businesses. >> exactly right. give us the opportunity to go
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forward. >> eric: you bet. an apartment rigged to kill, we'll walk through the painstaking work to defuse the bombs in that apartment. >> steve: rod wheeler joins us live, next. [ male announcer ] it started long ago. the joy of giving something everything you've got. it takes passion. and it's not letting up anytime soon. at unitedhealthcare insurance company, we understand that commitment. and always have. so does aarp, an organization serving the needs of americans 50 and over for generations. so it's no surprise millions have chosen an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they help cover some of the expenses medicare doesn't pay.
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♪ >> alisyn: explosives, chemicals, sophisticated booby-traps, let's take a look at this: this is what the suspected shooter spent weeks stockpiling, weapons, he bought swat gear on-line and picked up ammo from fedex and got 90 packages, apparently delivered to his workplace by ups. he spent a total of some say $15,000 on all of this riot and
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war gear. >> steve: what did the bomb squad have to go through in order to safely defuse the suspected movie theatre shooter's death trap. >> former detective rod wheeler joins us, and he was with us friday morning that's story unfolded and you walked us through what was going on, rod and you were absolutely correct on all points. something we still don't know yet and we went know for a little while, is, was, with the booby trapped apartment was it supposed to be a second wave where the first responders go to knock on the door and see what the guy was up to or was it a diversion. >> a lot of people that have the same question. i can tell you, i believe that there is supposed to be a second wave, so to speak, as far as going lane, correspondenting with the shooting at the same time. look, this guy operated with the mindset of the joker from the movie and the joker as we know was a sophisticated person and had no regard for life and
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didn't mind killing people and this guy was the same way and he wanted someone to go through the door and i think wanted the police to go into the apartment and then i think wanted the whole place to go up in smoke. >> eric: them why would he tell the cops the place was booby-trapped suonce he was caut at the movie theatre. >> think of it from the perspective of the joker's mind from the movie, batman, after the shooting inside the movie theatre the guy went out of an exit, sat down and took his helmet off and put down his gun and reality started to set back in with this guy, he didn't confront the police and didn't engage the police and he told the police about what he had done and if you remember correctly, after they arrested him, he told the police department he was going to cooperate with them and he was cooperating for a period of time and then stopped cooperating once he got his attorney. >> alisyn: rod, apparently, it took him weeks to set up this -- what was originally called a
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booby trap and he had a control panel and methodically tried to blow up the apartment complex yet it took police probably 24 hours to defuse it. what did you make of their efforts? at trying to make sure everyone was safe. >> first of all, let me say, as we know there were 30 bombs inside the small apartment and let me tell you, i know a lot about bombs and these types of devices and it could have done major damage and potentially killed a lot of people and the police realizing that, the bomb technicians are experts and had to take it one step at a time and here's this thing, at any moment any of those bombs could have gone up and caused death to some of those officers and i think they did a tremendous job. >> eric: you have sources inside the police department out there in colorado and this is what everybody is asking. why? why did he do it? >> i'm not a psychologist but i can tell you i have been in law enforcement over 25 years and
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talked with people with the mindset of this guy and we may never know exactly why but i can tell you, what he did, it was calculated any way back in early may he actually started planning for his role in this movie, and, that horrific night, three days ago, is when he had his chance to act. >> eric: only a half minute, quickly: inside the jail, do we have ears and people listening to see what he is talking about in. >> yes, absolutely they are listening to everything this guy is saying and, everything he says, has to be recorded. >> eric: thank you very much for joining us today from bureau. >> alisyn: more "fox & friends" in just two minutes. [ man ] excuse me miss. [ gasps ] this fiber one 90 calorie brownie has all the deliciousness you desire. the brownie of your dreams is now deliciously real.
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>> steve: there will be a prayer vigil tonight, 6:30 mountain time at aurora, colorado to remember the victims who died. >> and the president traveling to colorado, right now. >> alisyn: thanks for joining us on this very tough weekend, we appreciate all of your e-mails an


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