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you will see that documentary, we'll play large chunks of it tomorrow night. that sais all the time we have left. let not your heart be troubled. greta will go on the record. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. tonight, a sizzler in the courtroom. >> at that point, he decided to approach this man and say why are you following me? >> yes, sir. >> and he could have just run home. >> he was already by his house. he told me. >> of course, you don't know if he was telling you the truth or not. >> why you need to lie about that, sir? >> maybe if he decided to assault george zimmerman, he didn't want you to know about it. >> that's very retarded, sir. >> pardon me? >> that's very retarded to do that, sir. you don't know the person. trayvon did not know him. >> when you talked to mr. della
rionda at sybrina fulton's home? >> yes, sir. >> at one point in the interview, you said to him, so the last thing you heard was some kind of noise, like something hitting somebody, and your answer was yes? is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> like something hitting somebody, correct? >> sir? >> the last thing you heard was some kind of noise like something hitting somebody? >> and trayvon got hit. trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? no. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit? you don't know that trayvon
didn't at that moment take his fist and thrive it into george zimmerman's face. >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> are you saying that you told mr. crump after you heard the bump and the phone cut off, you decided not to tell him after the bump, but before the phone cut off, you heard trayvon say get off, get off. >> compound question. >> do youan the question? >> yes, ma'am. >> you may answer. >> like i told you from the beginning, that interview, last night, 13 minutes, it isn't that long, so i had to rush home, because i really did not want to be on the phone, sir. so i did not take my time, just like -- i put my time, i had
more time. crump, no. so the question is no. >> wsl fox orlando reporter holly bristow in the courtroom. let me ask you, being in the courtroom, the other people in the courtroom, did they think this was a star witness as many have said, or was she shredded and walk out a very weakened witness for the prosecution? >> you know, fwreta, it really depends on who you ask. getting mixed reviews on how she did. she was a bit more lady like on the stand today than she was yesterday. a lot of yes, sir and no, sir. her phrase that got the most attentionay was her saying creepy ass cracker. the term she said trayvon martin used to describe george zimmerman when she was being followed by her, he told her that the man was a creepy ass
cracker, and the prosecution just kept hitting on today. one of the reasons she kept on hitting on it, she said it in court yesterday, but did not say that when she was deposed. the prosecutors, the reason for that, i didn't want to use those words in front of his mother. >> two other witnesses, two neighbors, right? >> two neighbors on the stand today. one of them said -- >> let me -- >> one of them recalled seeing a man wearing black and red on top. as you may or may not know, george zimmerman wearing a black and red ensemble, a jacket with a sweatshirt underneath. and the other witness talked about different noises she heard outside, and that the fight was so loud, it sounded like it was about to come through her living room door. >> did either of the neighbors say she had actually seen the -- seen the two scuffling as the
gun went off? >> not when the gun went off. some saw a little bit before, and one of the neighbors had seen george zimmerman as he was getting off of trayvon mart you know. last one on the stand. and she claim not only did she see him getting off of him, but he was the one on top during the sku scuffle in the grass. >> the woman who saw the scuffle, did she say she saw trayvon martin run at george zimmerman, or george zimmerman run at trayvon martin? >> that's the big question. nobody has been able to answer who ran at who, which is why rachel jeantel could be such an important witness. she is potentially the only one that heard the beginning of the fight and if jurors believe her, what she's testifying to. she's testifying that george zimmerman approached trayvon martin when he walked up to him and said -- well, trayvon martin
turned around and said to george zimmerman, what are you following me for? and george zimmerman said something to the effect, what are you doing in this neighborhood, what are you doing around here? and the scuffle started after that. and she didn't actually see it with her own eyes, she's claiming that trayvon martin was yelling get off me. and she believes george zimmerman is the one that started this. >> do people in the courtroom think this witness jeantel, she sort of claimed sides, a partisan witness, or did people get the sense she was objectively reported what she saw, or heard? >> you know, she -- it goes back and forth. trying to protect the words that trayvon was saying, like creepy ass cracker and using an "n" word, she didn't want to use those words in front of his mother when she was giving a deposition in his mother's house in front of his mother.
but at the same time when she is asked questions, it appears she is answering to the best of her ability. who am i to say if she's lying or not. >> rachel jeantel going a few more rounds with zimmerman's defense lawyer. take a look. >> you are saying you heard the headphones, and the next thing you heard was grass? >> yes, sir. >> can you describe that for me? when you say you could hear the grass, or even wet grass like you said yesterday, could you tell me how wet grass sounds?
>> like running all over. >> when you said you heard wet grass, what did that sown like? >> somebody rolling on top of the grass. >> are you saying now you heard people rolling on the grass? >> objection. that's not what she's stating. >> do you. >> you asked her to describe, and she gave a description. >> joining us, ow legal panel in orlando. diana tennis, ted williams and bernie grimm. first to you, ted. >> look, i watcheded a part of this today with rachel jeantel. in a city, not sophisticated.
i don't know if the prosecution prepared her well. that doesn't matter to me. she used common sense. >> it's not about common sense, it's what did she see? what did she hear? not her interpretation of the events. what did she see and hear? one part of a conversation. >> she gave as best she could. let me be candid with you. the defense attorney made himself look just a little ill. this is the same guy that used a knock knock and the same guy disrespectful to a woman on the stand. >> and hopefully they won't convict or acquit based on the lawyers. >> we don't get a feel of the optics of the jury, although holly gave us a good rendition. you could work on this woman two weeks and wear her down. any good defense attorney would. and a great defense attorney would ask a few questions.
this is asking with the skills that god gave her, and starts to mock her and ask her if she can read. she will slant the story in a way that helps trayvon. when the dust settles, she was on the phone with trayvon. everybody on tv, calling her a star witness. not a star witness. >> not only a star witness, but gun given testimony subject to two different interferences, if it's a tie, george zimmerman comes out ahead on that. >> diana, your thoughts on this testimony? >> my thoughts, it's not this woman's fault that she came out discredited and uncredible. i totally agree, she came here with the skills that she has. not her fault, but fault lies on the government who decided to interview her in the home of the
deceased boy's mother. the taint around the building of this star witness by the government is what makes her so uncredible at this point and make the whole prosecution look like a railroad job. it was horrible. never heard of it before. >> you know, it's interesting, forget that she was -- she might have been a witness not the most polished witness. what she didn't see the altercation, only knows that she's talking to someone on the phone who says someone is following him. doesn't know what happens later and hears certain things. only has a small part of the picture of what's going on. this case will go on several days. take a look at this. the eye rolls and yes, sirs. the second day on the stand for rachel jeantel. her demeanor changed today. >> you didn't know anything about this case on the news following the shooting on february 26th. prior to your interview with mr.
crump on march 19th? >> no, sir. >> of course, you don't know if he was telling you the truth or not? >> why he need to lie about that, sir? >> maybe if he decided to assault george zimmerman, he didn't want you to know about it? >> that's very retarded, sir. yes, sir, yes, sir. yes, sir. >> i'm really confused. are you saying -- >> the state attorney has trouble hearing me. listen to me. >> in prior statements, you said the phone cut off, correct? >> yes, sir. did i call him back, sir. >> of course. but you didn't get an answer. didn't that make you even more worried? >> i called back again, sir. >> and i assume that would heighten -- >> and i had texts, sir. >> still no answer. >> no, sir. >> okay. so which side did she help? let me go to you, bernie.
the defense attorney made some thought that she didn't call 911 afterward. if you actually represented people in a situation like that, that doesn't surprise me so much. but think she doesn't have -- she has such an incomplete picture of what happened, i don't she she's so damning for the defense. >> the fact she didn't call 911 because a white guy is following a black kid, unfortunately, it happens every day in america, and i'm embarrassed how it happens. i don't think she helped or hurt either side. trayvon was on the phone. how do you know trayvon didn't just turn around and punch him in the face. how will he turn and punch him in the face with the phone in the same hand he is talking in. >> the dispatcher says are you following him? >> who is the he? >> we had this argument before. you have to say who he is. >> he, meaning trayvon.
>> you mean zimmerman. >> hold on, the dispatcher says to zimmerman, are you following him? and at that phase, zimmerman says yes. and the dispatcher says you don't have to do that. and zimmerman says okay. and then he says he is running, we don't know if he's running toward him or running away. if you listen to jeantel, he's running away. i believe jeantel in that regard. >> diana. >> she don't have second degree murder without the jury believing every word out of her mouth. she is an acknowledged liar. totally discredited, so she's off the table. the state is going to have to prove this case without her. that's all there is too it. >> even if she isn't off the table, weren't discredited, not there, by telephone. she doesn't know who ran at who, doesn't know any of the pieces. even if she were a terrific
witness, incomplete picture of the facts, because she's not there. >> i understand that, but if die albia is on the jury, the jury will give some weight, whatever weight it wants to whatever she says. >> if she is shredded, they won't give a lot. >> diana is right. may not be able to get to second degree. if zimmerman takes the stand and says one wrong thing, he will get second degree and they will wish they could give him first degree. >> i don't think he's taking the stand. >> i don't either. >> he has to take the stand. >> absolutely not. to fill in the blanks? if they have imperfect witness who's don't have a pull picture, you will put zimmerman on the stand to fill in the blanks? >> he has to take the stand. nobody else can explain this but zimmerman. trayvon is there. and west looked pretty little trying to beat up on a dead man, calling him a liar.
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well, no line dancing today. irs chief danny werfel getting barbecued on capitol hill, by the house ways and means committee. >> this report is a sham. and i would call it a whitewash, but it's too thin and unsubstantial to meet that description. >> it has no meaning are are might be junk, but might be sensitive taxpayer information. >> we know it's not.
and you are hiding behind it. >> you work for the taxpayers, not the other way around. you want an additional billion dollars. why would we, representing the taxpayers we represent give you all this extra money you are asking for, if this is what the urs is doing with hard-earned taxpayer there's. >> until the irs proves it can manage funds, nothing will be given. >> lois lerner directed the cincinnati office to change the words tea party to advocacy groups. do you think this was an intentional attempt to cover up targeting? >> i don't know the answer to that question. more work needs to be done to evaluate circumstances. >> i'm told you are a decent person, so are you serious about absolutely.the truth?
>> are you serious about restoring the integrity of the irs? >> i'm serious about doing it consistent with the rule of law and procedure. >> griff jenkins trying to get more answers. >> how do you expect to get public's trust back if no one is held accountable. >> i don't want to answer questions right now. just answered two or three hours back. submit a question to the irs communications office. right now it's important to get back to the irs. i have a lot of work to do. >> why you haven't spoken to lois lerner and people like gregg roseman still have a job who refused to testify yesterday. will you ask lois lerner to come and testify as you have? >> i think -- >> the public's trust is lost,
about to take on obama care. will you have everyone, including roseman and lerner come forward? >> i've answered questions for the past two hours, i held a press conference the other day open to the press to ask me a lot of questions. the most important thing i can do right now is get back to work. >> the tea party groups, did they get any clearances about the urs targeting investigation. >> good to be back. >> what it was like for you sitting in the hearing today? >> well, it reminded me that if you are invited to a barbecue, make sure you are not the pig. commissioner werfel really caught it tow. and to be honest, he didn't give very good answers, complete answers, and he deserved a bit of grilling in my opinion. >> what did you want to hear answer answered? >> blew it right out of the gate when he said his own investigation if you will, internally in the irs, that he
found no wrongdoing. this whole thing started with an apology for a wrongdoing. you don't apologize for a rightdoing. i was looking for answers on who did what? how high this goes, how broad this issue is. i didn't approach anything like that. >> was he dodging, or is it because he's relatively new. he came over from omb, so he's not quite as new as you might think. >> i don't think it has anything to do with being new, and you say there was no wrongdoing. how many people you have answer viewed, steven miller, lois lerner, and basically he hasn't interviewed anybody. cincinnati workers, no? how can you conclude that there is no wrongdoing if you didn't interview anybody. that has nothing to do with being new on the job.
>> the tea party stands for constitutionally limited government, fiscal responsibility, and we stand for accountability of our representatives. i can't imagine why any american would not agree with following the constitution. it's the essence of what makes us americans. and just to answer your question more fully. we caught it in the media today being compared to islamic terrorists or something in a rassmussen poll, i caught the end of that. and today, i'm an airline pilot by trade. today, i sat next to a nuclear engineer, retired businessmen, housewives, basically average americans. >> why are you called a terrorist? >> i think not because of my mustache. we are very effective. we swept the elections in 2010, here we are a couple of years
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>> we underfund other critical priorities that leeds to improved enforcement on the tax co code, we're leaving money for the american people. >> just don't forget, you work for the american taxpayers, not the other way around. >> paul ryan going head to head with danny werfel. we spoke to congressman ryan right after that contentious hearing. >> great to be back with you, greta. >> hearing with the head of the irs testifying before house ways and means. what is the take away. >> number one, we know progress you have words or names were on the filter, but they were approved. not the type of harassment or intimidation or delay that the conservative groups were under. the other part was, we had the irs coming to congress, asking
for an additional billion dollars, a 10% increase, money to hire another 4,500 people, after we uncovered in two months arc all of this waste, fraud, and abuse. >> how do you not know how it happened? you can learn thing pretty quickly. secondly, how in the world after all stuff that come out about the irs, targeting, parties, how do you have the gaul to ask for a billion dollars more? >> the first question, how do they not know who was responsible? they claim they don't know the answer to the questions. >> how can they not? >> the point, we'll get to the bottom of it. we won't accept the answers, not good enough. investigators are interviewing irs employees up and down the food chain, e-mails, data, and
we'll go through this very thoroughly. take a look at the $49 they spent on two years on conferences, parties, and the catering and the videos. i ran the quick numbers, a town of sturdivan, wisconsin, less than 7,000 people, people working in factories, farm fields, these working families work all year long to pay taxes and it wasn't enough to even cover these conferences. what i try to impress on people of the irs, a town where you talk about millions, billions, trillions, it's hard-working taxpayer dollars. they spend with reckless abandon, and this money comes from a person's paycheck, from a family that is struggling to put bread on the table, get vacation for the family. get their family growing, paying the taxes to the irs, and the
irs wastes it. >> i sometimes wonder if the media is complicit in the whole poisoned culture. the media refers to $50 million over a two-year period, they call that chump change. in the grand scheme of things, it's chump change, but it really isn't. >> yeah. >> the media is dismissive sometimes about that. >> rock county, wisconsin. janesville, beloit. 160,000 pim eople in that count. all the working taxpayers in that county wouldn't be enough to cover the increase. we're asking everybody in rock county, wisconsin, 160,000, these working families to pay their federal taxpayers to fund the irs. they are paying this money, working for this money. and we are not going to give
them this spending increase and give them all additional irs employees that they are asking for, especially since they continually waste the money. >> with all due respect to congress, congress has the job of oversight, and we're talking about years and years and years of unbelievable spending by the irs in conferences. they are really parties. if you work here in this town, you know they are parties. >> the budget a bit flat, and took over congress in 2010. we started putting budgets down and started cutting spending. nancy pelosi, controlled congress from 2008 to 2010, when they had bigger budgets. the reason we know these things we all know. congress, over the last two years, has been doing oversight. the reason we know about the urs scandal, congress had the inspector general do the study. congress did this oversight and uncovered this, but the majority
in 2010 starts doing this. the result of two years of work we put into this. >> maybe i'm harsh about this, but it's gotten so out of control, i think people knew they shouldn't have spent money this way. you don't need wolfgang puck chef at an irs conference. remote with the may money is used, you can't president evidence for a gran jury to see whether they are criminal violations. the attorney general of the united states does it or a special prosecutor, so far, i haven't seen a huge appetite on the part of the attorney general. but are you in favor of a special prosecutor. if so, when? >> not yet. there may be a time for that. the reason i say not yet, i want congress to do its job, to do its oversight. we owe our constituents, har working taxpayers, that we'll get to the bottom of this, bring trancepartisancy and accountability to the agency and rest of government after we completed this investigation and
come up with evidence of criminal wrongdoing, that's the appropriate time to turn it over to authorities and have a special prosecutor. i don't want to preempt an investigation. we want to show the constituents, people of this country, what happen, and to have trancepartisancy. we tonight want to sweep it off the table. we want to get to the bottom of it. we don't want to delegate the constitutional authority to the executive branch. when we find criminal activity, we hahn it off to them. >> when will it be done? >> it will be months. we are still getting data. gigabyte of information. you don't want to put a timeline on it. we don't have all of the evidence and data we're looking for. >> the american people are not
happy with the ifrp rs, and thee getting notices and their noses are out of walk justifiably. a letter sent out today to colleagues about their ideas on bipartisan tax reform. scrap the code essentially and then tell all of their colleagues between now and the end of july to come up with and justify any credits or deductions, loopholes, anything they want to put in the code. is that something that is attractive to the house? >> yes. >> this could happen? >> going down the same process in the house ways and means committee. we have bipartisan working groups on all areas of the tax code and operating assumption. blank white piece of paper and justify through these bipartisan working groups, what should go back into the tax code. this does tie into the irs issue. if you want the irs to be this discriminatory, to be rife with this kin of waste, fraud, and
abuse, you need a difficult tax code. you need to simplify the tax system. one of the great reasons we need to do tax reform, in addition to creating jobs. >> the irs want to create jobs, 4,500 jobs, i take it is not for party planners at this point. did the commissioner tell you why he needs new employees? >> he did not acknowledge. >> how can he ask you for 4,500 people? he could say what he needs them for. >> they don't have a good justification for all of the extra money they are asking for, the extra people. if you can't justify the way you are subpoenaing taxpayer dollars now, how on earth can you justify asking for more. >> what about two irs employees taking the fifth? >> we'll still get to the bottom of it, nonetheless. >> thank you, congressman. nice to have you.
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inspector general at least no, doubt that tea party groups were more lukely to be scrutinized. >> did any of the liberal groups get the heavier scrutiny? >> we're seeing in the last few days, more coming forward, yes, we got lots of these, you know, lengthy questionnaires, that sort of thing. but most of the evidence points to groups on the right being more likely to get that. >> the source of that conclusion is the inspector general? >> yes. >> any reason to believe he would have a reason to be biased in favor of one group or the other? >> at the hearing, some folks noted he was a george bush apointee. what folks are saying, not necessarily saying he would be biased, but this audit is flawed. liberals in congress saying this audit is flawed and allowed the gop to do is politicize this and
make a nod toward the white house in ways that wouldn't have been able to happen if this audit wasn't filled out and found these sorts of things when it came out. >> the inspector general's report was flawed. did they say how specifically? >> so what the inspector general's letter today or yesterday actually said, yes, there were these sort of small number of groups on the left that were targeted that did get the extra scrutiny, had the chance to say that before, before on the hill, has not said that. and also -- >> but is there a flaw in his audit? democrats are saying the inspector general's audit is flawed, did they say how it was flawed? >> they are saying there was information he had that these groups on the left, on the lookout list that has been a big -- you know, part of this. these groups on the left were targeted perhaps in small numbers, but were targeted, and
the fact that he didn't say that, had a chance to say that several times in the audit on the hill and didn't. >> what is his explanation for not saying it? >> that's still an open question. what he is saying, groups on the tea party were definitely pull out for potential campaign activity. he says there is no sign of that company happening with groups on the left. and what the audit was doing, looking at potential campaign activity. and it gets complicated. >> bernie, thank you very much. >> all right. straight ahead, remember the plane allegedly carrying missoni and how it vanished? tonight, there is news. so we could be a better, safer energy company. i've been with bp for 24 years. i was part of the team that helped deliver on our commitments to the gulf - and i can tell you, safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge safety equipment and technology, like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art
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