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this this is a fox news alert. i'm geraldo rivera reporting the president of ecuador is the latest to stiff arm the united states regarding the fugitive whistle-blower edward snowden. he told vice president joe biden today that ecuador will consider snowden's request for asylum. if and when he gets there. snowden is still in the transit lounge of the moscow airport and many are critical of what they think is the wishy washy way the obama administration has dealt first with the chinese and now the russians.
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and one of those who thinks the u.s. has not done nearly enough to get snowden back is our friend new york republican congressman peter king who joins us from washington. congressman, welcome. so is it president obama's fault? >> well, i think the president can, you know, should have been much stronger than he has been. obviously, you know, the ultimate fault to snowden and the chinese and russian governments. the way they've conducted themselves. having said that, i wish the president had been much more forceful. also in this program was first disclosed, he should have suspended it publicly and explain why it's there and let everyone know how important it is to the american people. having done that, it would have been more difficult for china and hong kong to allow snowden to leave. and it would have made it more difficult for putin. so i'm still hoping that it can work out with putin. i think with the president he's been leading from behind, not being out front enough and not defending the system why it's important to the u.s. and how much this means to us. >> so are you surprised, for example, that the president when snowden was in china didn't
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reach out in a more public way to the chinese leadership? what exactly would you have liked to see? >> i don't know if he should have reached out to the chinese leadership publicly. he should have defended the program, say how important it is to the u.s. by doing that, he is sending a message to china and sending a message to the world how much this means to him and is putting china on notice. >> and the fact that chinese let him go not to any random place but from china to russia. >> a direct slap at the u.s. he could not have left hong kong without china ok'ing it and he could not have landed in moscow without putin ok'ing it. you have the leaders in china and russia, two main competing countries in the world today, certainly economically and potentially militarily to have them openly defy the u.s. in this way a direct defiance of the president is a shot at the u.s., shot at the obama administration and quite frankly, reminds me a lot of the
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jimmy carter administration. >> would any of the president's between carter and obama have faired better in this circumstance? george w. bush, for example? what do you think? >> listen, i think george w. bush would have. george bush after 9/11 in particular made it clear that united states had certain priorities and policies and we're not going to back down. you're with us or against us. i think he would have been. i think reagan would been and i think bill clinton would have been more assertive. >> what do you do though? you don't want to risk war with these communist giants. what do you do? >> again, a lot depends on having a solid, consistent message. the president was back and force. one hand he is on an apology tour and then he's taking out bin laden. but the president is sending a mixed signal. it's not a clear signal. by doing that, he encourages the russians and the chinese, i believe, to take advantage. they knew they couldn't do it against reagan.
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i don't believe they could have done it against bush and quite frankly with bill clinton. clinton was very, you know, very tough on these issues. >> one of the most high profile senators on the republican side, rand paul, the republican of kentucky has said some things about snowden being a hero and that general clapper, our director of national intelligence being a villain. do you credit what the senator has said? has he, senator paul, been diminished by his statements? >> i think senator paul, in my mind, certainly hurt himself. what he said to me is indefensible. it's morally indefensible. it's diplomatically indefensible to be comparing a hero such as general clapper to someone who is basically a traitor and defector. to me, it goes beyond any type of rational discussion. i that senator paul has certainly hurt himself in my eyes. i think he hurt himself in the eyes of common sense americans who realize there is a line you don't cross. and senator paul, to me, clearly crossed that line.
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>> and so where do we go from here? what would you like? is there a happy ending possibly with the snowden case? >> there's no happy ending. the hope is to make the ending as less painful as possible. real damage has been done. i think what we need in this country also going beyond this is have a debate in this country so people understand how dangerous this world is, how we have an enemy trying to kill us. rather than worrying about the nsa, we should be much more worried about al qaeda and the affiliates around the world including right here in the united states. >> congressman peter king, thank you as always. >> thank you. >> insisting his son is no traitor, snowden's father said yesterday that snowden is willing to come home to face the music if he could be free on bail pending a trial in the jurisdiction of his choice and not be silenced by any gag order in the meantime. but wishy washy or not folks, let's face it, there is zero chance the obama administration would agree to any of that.
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paula dean's career has been absolutely decimated paula deen's career has been absolutely decimated by her past use of the "n" word. stripped of her show on food channel and of numerous endorsement deals just friday ballentine, her publisher, canceled the multibook contract even for the book paula deen's new testament, a cookbook that her fans had already made number one on amazon.com. not going to happen. so can anyone save paula deen? the reverend jesse jackson wants to try. the civil rights icon joins us this evening from chicago. reverend jackson, welcome. why help someone who uses racist language? >> well, no one beyond the >> well, no one beyond the reins
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of grace and redemption. she called, expressed -- i suppose reaching out to people she thought would be willing to respond to her. and i think what she really has to do beyond being contrite about it is address the people that she offended. >> is she being a scapegoat, reverend, do you think? >> we're focusing on paula deen more than the supreme court justices that decimated the voting act of 1965 which would undermine our democracy, and in effect ruin the people's lives. there is this paula deen obsession. to me, it's a big diverse. >> a diversion but nevertheless, she said what she said. i know that must offend you horribly and, yet, you're willing to help her find redemption. i mean why? is that a christian thing? >> you know, after the south, after pass public accommodation bill, after the right to vote said let's start a new south, new beginnings.
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nelson mandel why one after having been in jail 27 years walking to jail with his jailers once agreed to end apartheid. >> is it ironic to you that many in the black community, many prominent african-americans like yourself are more willing to forgive paula deen than corporate america than target or walmart or balentine publisher or the food channel? >> well, i don't know if they're operating on fear, i suppose. they have horrible records themselves. i mean it's not unlike people to fall from grace and to bounce back. you had don imus. he said something terribly wrong. he bounced back. he's on television. he has sponsors again. i don't know who can live beyond the reach of the grace and mercy. i hope she's able to collect herself, acknowledge what she has done, address those that she
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has offended, clean out the workplace. it's really about the workplace environment. and then put forth some plan. we've done this with several major corporations where somebody leaked some memo and says something very, very wrong. but the idea to condemn people -- the bible says those who attain mercy must be merciful. even as we handle this, it must be a just must always be tempered by mercy to have the right result. >> is your own life experience helping you to be this magnanimous? you know when you ran for president that whole himy town thing. people ultimately forgave you. is that helping you forgive her? >> it's not forgiving, she has to do more than just contrite words. she has to address meaningfully the workers who were offended. to clean out the workplace environment. put forth a plan for reconstruction. it's not just enough to say words and be defensive.
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she must go on the offense. of course, that's for her handlers to work out. but it's amazing how fast and how quickly corporate america has moved on her as a person. >> i have to leave with you that. i would be remiss if i didn't ask you, nelson mandela on perhaps on death's door, 94 years old, the president of the united states in south africa, do you want to say anything about that extraordinary confluence of events there? >> suffice it to say, president nelson mandela tried litigation legislation, mill tarrism to bring the system down. he outsuffered the system. he brought the system down with moral authority. that made him historical. he merged from jail. emerged to reconstruct and reconcile and not retaliate. he chose to rise above his pain to direct the course for a new south, a new nonracist democratic south africa. >> i have no doubt but that nelson mandela would forgive
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paula deen as you are willing to do. >> he didn't just forgive her, he forgave them in their apartheid, let them out of jail, opened free elections and ended that oppressive system. there is always some content to go with the contrite words. i think she's given the contrite words. the issue of addressing the workers who feel offended, the workplace environment and a plan to make it better, make it more perfect, that's what must be done. >> loud and clear. thank you again, reverend, for being with me tonight. >> thank you, sir. lots of people are asking me how george zimmerman, the accused neighborhood watch captain can claim self-defense when he's the one who started the fight? the answer to that question after this. ...so you say men are superior drivers? yeah? then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. silence. are you in good hands?
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let me make sure we got that, creepy -- >> ass cracker. >> yeah. and then i call trayvon and i started hearing trayvon get off, get off. >> let me stop you a second. you heard a grass sound and then you said something. what did you say? >> trayvon, trayvon. what's going on? >> and what did you hear? >> i said trayvon, i heard him say get off. get off. >> then what did you hear? >> then the phone hung up. it shut off. >> okay. when the phone shut off, what happened then? >> i had to call him back. >> you called trayvon back? >> yes. >> were you able to get him? >> no. >> so it turns out listening to rachel's testimony there that george zimmerman wasn't the only
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one profiling that tragic night 16 months ago in sanford, florida. the black teenager felt he was being stalked by a creepy white guy who thought the creepy white guy that he was following yet another criminal black kid in a hoodie looking to burglarize his housing complex. everybody is profiling everybody. but far more important than the issue of profiling is the definitive issue in this case of self-defense. and here is the key moment in this trial so far. >> one guy on top in the black hoodie was pretty much just throwing down blows on the guy kind of mma style. was that the context in which that happened? >> yes. >> the person who you now know to be trayvon martin was on top, correct? >> correct. >> he was the one who was raining blows down on the person on the bottom, george zimmerman, right? >> that's what it looked like. >> the voice screaming for help,
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however many times that you heard it, it was just one person's voice? >> when i heard it outside? >> yes. >> i believe it was one person's voice. >> and you now believe that was george zimmerman's voice, correct? >> i never said that. i said it could have been his. i was not 100% sure. >> i'm not asking for 100% certainty. i'm asking you to use your common sense and to tell us if you think that was george zimmerman's voice screaming for help, the person on the bottom? >> that's just my opinion. >> that's just his opinion. that's mr. good, a prosecution witness but as you just saw and heard there, his testimony virtually ensures that the defendant george zimmerman will get off. why? because florida's law on self-defense says that even though zimmerman started the fight because trayvon was winning the fight and zimmerman felt in imminent danger of being killed or gravely injured, he, zimmerman, was justified in using deadly force to save his own life. that is the law, ladies and gentlemen. darrell parks law firm
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represents trayvon martin's family. darrell, welcome to the program. now i know you must be disappointed, honestly speaking with, the way this trial is unfolding so far. >> no way. i think we're doing very well. put it like this -- as you know, mr. good would probably be the best possible witness for the defense in this case. his testimony, he backs down a couple times even in the clip that you just played in his testimony. so he wasn't quite as strong. but most importantly, remember this. also within that same testimony that he gave in court, he describes the interaction between trayvon and george zimmerman as a tussle and as wrestling. so the whole injection of mma style was really more so mark o'mara's cross-examination trying to make that a major point in the case. and so you take that plus the fact that when he was asked to describe whether or not he saw someone getting their head
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bashed into the sidewalk, he couldn't confirm that. he saw him holding the head down. we also learned in this case that there was no blood on the sidewalk. additionally, we now know that the size of marks on his head was .5 centimeters and two centimeters. and so i don't believe that described a situation that required you to use a gun to allegedly save your life, especially in light of the fact that you already called the police and the police were on their way. >> i disagree, darrell. i'm sorry to say. i understand how you would like that to be the way the jury is perceiving the testimony of mr. good. but i tell you what, his testimony says that trayvon martin is on top and then mma style he's pummelling the guy on the bottom. i mean, come on, darrell. remember. remember this. george zimmerman has to reasonably believe that his life is in danger or he will be gravely injured. you can't tell me, darrell that, a man on the bottom being pummelled by a young man who is
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bigger than he is cannot reasonably feel that he's about to be gravely injured or killed. >> geraldo, you made a huge mistake. we now know that trayvon martin is around 150 pounds and george zimmerman weighed over 200 pounds. >> zimmerman is 5'7" and trayvon is ove and he got him down, obviously. he got him on his back. he's in the grass. he has a wet back. i have no dog in this fight, darrell. but i'm telling you, i understand the law. the law says that the reasonably believes he's in imminent threat of being gravely injured or killed, he can use deadly force. that's what the law says in florida. right? >> let me say one big distinction now. trayvon was in the grass. remember now, don west said in opening statement that the fight that trayvon used a concrete as a weapon. that's the only way they can
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really prove that the deadly force if they can put him and zimmerman and trayvon on the concrete sidewalk. however, we now know that trayvon's body was well within the grass when he was shot and killed. the whole theory he was using sidewalk to hurt mr. zimmerman has been totally disproved. >> come on, counsel. wait a second, counsellor. how many times does mark o'mara have to show that picture of george zimmerman's bloody head? the grass didn't make his head bleed. i mean i can't -- i know this is a wonderful family. trayvon martin's family is a wonderful family. they deserve justice. what george zimmerman did is morally reprehensible in following this guy. but the law while it cares about morals, cares about the specifics of the statute, more importantly, and here you have a law that says if you reasonably believe that your life is being threatened or you're going to be gravely injured, you can use deadly force.
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and i don't know how you get away from that. and that's from a witness called by the state. is that the best the state has? because if it is, i think that most people watching right now and most people across this country now expect george zimmerman to be acquitted. there's no way six women are going to say that george zimmerman didn't have reasonable fear that his life was being threatened. isn't that the issue? >> no. you're totally wrong. mr. good's testimony when asked when the person was on top what was the interaction between the two, he said it was a downward motion of the hands. they tried to describe a whaling of the arms, mma style. they realize they can't get the level of interaction the mma style ground pounding which they had not proved. the facts don't support it. he describes it as tussling and wrestling. yes, a few punches were being thrown. he couldn't even say whether or not the punches landed or not. those become very important
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facts when you think about that being the only person that can somewhat put forth a theory of self-defense for -- you also have to remember though that there has been no facts whatsoever that describes trayvon as attacking george zimmerman in this case. not one piece of evidence. >> darrell, i have to leave it there. please give my regards to ben crump and the trayvon martin family. they are, again, i think wonderful people. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. up next, the sponsors of the gay marriage ban are asking the supreme court and the united states to stop california from issuing the marriage licenses that california has already started issuing to same-sex couples. is it too late to stop them? that's next. how did you get he? i don't know. [ speaking in russian ] look, look, look... you probably want to get away as much as we do. with priceline express deals, you can get a fabulous hotel without bidding. think of the rubles you'll save.
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planet, death valley, california, could hit 130 degrees. that's close to the record of 134. in phoenix and las vegas, 120 degrees. the heat could even affect flights since hotter air can affect liftoff conditions. i'm patty ann brown. to "gerald" >> this is a fox news alert. opponents of gay marriage filed an emergency motion today >> this is a fox news alert. opponents of gay marriage filed an emergency motion today urging the supreme court of the united states to stop california from issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples which clerks in the golden state started doing yesterday. they were doing it all day to day, saturday, in san francisco where volunteer clerks held special weekend hours so same-sex couples could take advantage of their newly restored right. now with the issue front and center all across this country, we've invited great guests now to debate the brave new world of gay marriage. you heard the fox news
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contributor social activist happy that gay people can enjoy the same right to get married like the rest of us. the supreme court's decision green lighting gay marriage forward in california is a risk. how does sally's marriage and the fact she has a 4 1/2-year-old daughter with her partner put society at risk? >> well, i'm not so sure that puts society at risk. i think the issue of the decision does when we add another impingement up on making marriage the successful foundation point of america making it continue to be successful. that's the issue. we're not saying that anyone should not be able to love who they choose or have relationships. but bottom line, the only way that you continue society is through a man and woman, having a child and then caring for that child appropriately. and that's my concern that we have further challenged marriage from being that building block.
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>> sally? >> in the congressman's district not only are there gay families, there are single parents, grandparents raising their kids and they're all entitled to the protections of the government that the congressman represents as well as heterosexual couples that have children as well as those that don't. that's what we do in this country. we protect everyone. we give everyone rights equally. >> i don't disagree with the fact that we ought to be giving each and every person equal rights under the constitution. but that doesn't include redefining words that are very descriptive of a foundational structure of society that goes back to the beginning of creation. where a design was put in place that works very well and it's the only design that produces children that carries on society. we ought to encourage that. >> my child has two moms. she is doing pretty well. i'm interested, though. i'm glad to hear him say he supports equal protection. as i know you know, congressman, you did not support the employment nondiscrimination act that would protect the people in
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your country from being fired because they're gay. right now legally this is not adding rights. this is making sure that our existing laws are applied equally to everyone. if you're so in favor of equal protection, why don't you support something as simple as gay people shouldn't be able to be fired from their jobs? >> this is not talking about equal protection. we're talking about redefinition, definition of a framework, a foundational point of society. that's what the doma issue is about. it was saying, listen, are we going to redefine marriage to put it in a place that it was never intended? it isn't the same. women and men are complimentary for a purpose. and the purpose is a great design, a design that continues society. >> that's fair. let me ask you two questions. why is it that you allow elderly couples that don't have children to marry and why haven't you put forward a bill to ban divorce if you're so concerned with the preservation of marriage? >> i think you bring up a good point.
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we have put many hurdles in the way of good marriage. one of those is no fault divorce. but we're talking about doma. the supreme court got it wrong when they said the states should be able to make up their own decisions, their own minds, their own laws. >> congressman, you're duly sworn to uphold the law and protect all the people in your district. you think that families like mine, two loving gay parents raising kids should be legally treated as second class citizens in your district? >> absolutely not. you are abiding by the law in my district. you have all of the rights of the law. >> but we don't. >> no, you do. you just don't have the definition of marriage. >> sir, that means we cannot -- that means there are over 1,000 federal benefits that you as a congressman are aware of from tax benefits, hospital visitation, to immigration, to social security inheritance that
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my family does not have access to, families in your district do not have equal access to. and you're saying that we shouldn't because we're somehow lesser families. >> let's debate those issues but not redefine marriage as a term. and that's simply a term of art. a term of reality that goes -- >> a term of law. sir, it's a term of law. we're talking about civil marriage. we're not talking about marriages in churches, religious institutions. each church, each faith group has the ability to decide on its own. we're talking about how our government that we all belong to, portions legal rights and benefits to all of us which it does using this little word called marriage. >> hold on a second. on my radio program and sally, glad that you come on. congressman, i'd love to have you come on. the people who are most concerned about this movement suggest that now the floodgates will open. now you'll have sister marrying brother. now you'll have men demanding polygamist rights to marry multiple spouses. how do you answer that question that once the door has been cracked anything goes?
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>> i mean it's a sort of crazy. you know, this notion that all of a sudden now you can marry your dog. in theory, you could have married your opposite sex dog before and now you can marry the same-sex dog. this is ludicrous. this is not -- again this is not about, you know, redefining anything. this is we have a government that a a. portions certain rights and benefits in certain ways and, for instance, you know, whether the congressman thinks it's the ideal or not, we give social security inheritance to grandparents raising their grandkids, single parents. we recognize different kinds of families under the law. >> congressman, you get the last word. are we going to hell in a handbasket? >> i don't think that's the case at all. not the issue of love here. issue of society continuing on in a way that has worked, that is the best approach for a loving relationship of a son or a daughter with a blood relative called a mom or a dad and a
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marriage that can only be defined that way which is unique to society and continues it on. let's also remember, for the best interest of kids, we ought to be willing to do the sacrifices necessary and for the best interest and needs of kids we ought to make sure we don't put in place the best interests and desires simply of adults. that negatively impacts kids. >> congressman, thank you. how is your kid doing? >> my kid is doing great. maybe the congressman can meet her and tell her that. >> i wish her the best. >> i'm sure you do. >> i really do. >> thank you. >> up next, i'll ask an openly gay california congressman if his new found right will infringe on the rights of those who oppose gay marriage. j.d. power and associates has ranked quicken loans highest in the nation in customer satisfaction... i say "family," because we've been blessed with this honor for 3 years in a row... rest assured we'll treat all of your mortgage needs
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we're live. welcome back. continuing our debate now this evening on the implications of the supreme court's two historic decisions on gay marriage, one avoiding doma and the second, giving a green light to gay marriages in california. on your left, that is ken klukowski, the director of religious liberty at the family research council. on the right, congressman mark takano, the democrat of california, the only openly gay congressman of color. he is asian-american. so congressman, you first.
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you say that common sense has come out of the closet with these supreme court decisions. what do you mean? >> well, what i mean by that is that most americans have come to recognize in their hearts and in their minds that same-sex couples should enjoy equality and should have their relationships recognized and respected in the eyes of their government. >> so, ken, where is the congressman wrong? >> well, to borrow the congressman's phrase, it's not the role of the courts to decide what is common sense or fair. that's a judgment for the legislature. the constitution gives us a system of limited government, limited both in the powers it gives to government and limited on those few issues that it takes out of the hands of voters by saying that they're enshrined in the constitution. in the word marriage, it is not found in the federal constitution. this is an issue properly left to the voters. >> the courts have a
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responsibility to defend the liberties of individuals even though the people through an initiative process or legislature may decide to impinge upon those liberties. the courts have a duty to say wait a minute. the constitution gives everybody certain liberties, certain liberties that really are fundamental to who people are. >> ken, why do we care who congressman marries? >> the reality is that as justice kennedy recognized in the majority doma opinion this week, the states are still sovereign, to define for themselves what marriages are recognized within that state, whether it is traditional marriage, whether it is same-sex marriage, or whether as we're now seeing in the immigration debate and as you and i have discussed before, whether it's going to be polygamy and other forms of marriage that are mainly recognized in other parts of the world. but that are increasingly being seen here. it is the role for the legislature.
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>> congressman, have we opened the door to polygamy? >> we're not giving into polygamy. that is a phantom concern. i might add that, you know, the county from which i was elected, voted for prop 8 quite, you know, quite heavily. but only four years later they elected me the first openly gay member of congress in the state of california. i think our country moved on. i think my community moved on. i think america is ready to move into the 21st century and recognize that we have, you know, same-sex couples should be accorded every respect and every dignity that straight couples have. >> 20 years ago people thought that the subject of gay marriage was also a phantom issue. the reality is we have 600,000 polygamists in this country right now. that number is growing every year. major media outlets this week started running pieces on that
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question and "slate" magazine endorsed it. it is a real issue and growing issue. the bottom line is the congressman and i on the subject of marriage equality, we draw the line somewhere. we're just drawing it in different places. >> but why would it impact anyone who doesn't want to marry someone of the same sex? i mean if you have a religion, ken, that says you have to marry a woman and god bless you. if you have a religion or if your own personal beliefs can you marry another person of your same sex, then god bless you, too. why should i care? >> well, an example would be in washington state and in colorado just in the past couple months a florist who didn't want to provide because it was personal religious beliefs, flowers for a same-sex ceremony is under criminal investigation and another is a baker that didn't want to bake a cake for a same-sex ceremony. he is under criminal investigation. i can give you two dozen cases
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of people in the courts seeking to live out their own life and because they refuse to embrace a form of marriage that they personally don't believe in because their religion, they have the teeth of the law into them right now. >> congressman, can you respond? >> i don't insist that every clergyman or clergy or any person of the clergy should be forced to solemnize the marriages they don't really approve of. there are alternatives for same-sex couples to find those services. i'm really troubled by the idea that businesses should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of who people are. >> that makes ken's point. >> congressman, do you believe the government can come after a baker who doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage because of his own religious personal beliefs. i'm sure there is another baker in the town. are you saying can you lose your livelihood if you refuse to do
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this? if your religion isn't part of it? >> if i were looking for a baker to bake my wedding cake, i don't know that i would insist on using a baker who disagreed with me. i'd have to think a bit more about what it means for, you know, what it means for a baker who doesn't want to provide, you know, just refuses to sell goods or refuse the services. >> we'll leave the bakeries aside here. congressman, you are married? how personally are you affected by this? >> well, i'm personally affected by this. i haven't received any proposals of marriage lately. >> you might after the show. you never know. >> well, we'll see. i don't know if it would make my mother happy or not. she's been -- >> she's old school. >> i'll say that i'm listed as one of the 100 most eligible gay bachelors in the country. >> there you go. >> well, we'll see.
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>> ken, always a delight. thank you very much. >> up next, she's hot, she's popular, she can kick your butt. wait until you see what makes martial artist rhonda rousely does to craig after this. hey. they're coming. yeah. british. later. sorry. ok...four words... scarecrow in the wind... a baboon... monkey? hot stew saturday!? ronny: hey jimmy, how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico? jimmy: happier than paul revere with a cell phone. ronny: why not? anncr: get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. when you experience something great,ou want to share it.
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. >> ultimate fighting and ultimate fighting has lnl put traditional boxing out of business. it's filling huge arenas, getting multimillion dollar television deals. it is so brutal. it's still banned in many states. yet, here come the ladies. craig investigates. >> they're tough. they're brutal. and they're women. mixed martial arts fight here's step into the october gone and
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stand toe to toe enjoying bone jarring punches and kicks twisting limbs until one submits. >> i started walking around telling people i was the most dangerous unarmed women on the planet and people started catching on to it, i guess. >> a brash young star, rhonda is the first and current fighting champion. >> i understand most of your wins have been in the first round. >> is most by meaning all? yeah. i guess so. i want to be the indisputed pound for pound woman in the world. and people think that i've reached that now. i think that there's still a lot more work to be done. >> blood lust. it has become a cash cow for the ufc which generates a half billion dollars in annual revenue. in 2011, fox reportedly paid $700 million for the
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broadcasting rights. three years ago in abu dhabi based investor bought a 10% stake in you were fc and the enterprise is now worth $2 billion, according to bloomberg. and female fighters now attract hundreds of thousands of new fans. joining spectators used to watching the most violent display of contact. a sport so violent, even tough as nails new york state will not allow these exhibitions. the president is fighting to change those laws and one day headline rhonda rousy in madison square garden over her male counterparts. where are you going with ufc work rhonda in. >> she is the champ right now. she will be the coach of the next season of the ultimate fighter. she is a huge star. you can't just create a star. they either have that spark, that thing. she has it. >> the undefeated rowdy rhonda rousy! >> capizing on her in your face
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personality and sex appeal, the ufc opens up a whole new level of women and men. she sees her face smashing as breaking the glass ceiling in a sport one time set for men. there was resistance at first to let women go into ultimate fighting. >> it was the resistance to change in pretty much everywhere including women fighting. we're not the frail fragile little creatures that every one make us out to be. >> and trust me. she is tough. >> rowdy! rhonda rousy! >> how did you get into fighting? a family thing? >> yeah. my mother was the first wound to wear world champion judo. she got me in around 10. 11 was my first tournament. six years later i was in my first olympics.
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>> with her newfound celebrity status, she doesn't shy away from other celebrity, michael phelps. >> some people embrace the whole olympic team. the whole olympic spirit thing. and some people that treat it more like it is their own show. >> so individualistic, arrogant. that's what you call michael phelps? >> that's what you just called him. >> and reality star kim kardashian. >> let's be honest, the girl is famous because of a sex video and she is selling merchandise to my little sister and the two do not mix. >> what do you think? do you want to change the image of women? what is your goal? >> i'm trying to be a good role model to my little sister. >> as rhonda rousy's star rises, so has her salary. she made $90,000 in her latest bout. half coming for a victory bonus from an undefeated fighter. for all its violence, this sport pays. since 2005, the ufc has paid
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$250 million to its fighters making 39 of them millionaires. that's a boys club rhonda plans to join. >> thanks. i'm glad she did not kick your butt too bad. that's it for us. thank you for watching. i hope you have a great week. a safe and happy july 4th holiday. eric and i are heading to russia actually to celebrate my big 7-0. my big 70th birthday. more importantly, our tenth anniversary and they said it wouldn't last. if i run into the whistle blower in the moscow airport, i'll let you know. in the meantime, i'll see you on social media. good night. have a great week. but if we made a claim, our rate would go up... [ whispering ] shhh. you did it right. you have allstate claim rate guard so your rates won't go up just because of a claim. [ whispering ] are we still in a dream? no, you're in an allstate commercial.
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