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it is hard to get good press in new york. weiner can lead in democratic polls for pulling his pants down, how can it hurt. >> greg, if it was baked in carrot cake, would you like it? >> that's it for us five. thanks for watching. see you tomorrow. "special report" with bret baier is next. egypt on the brink. this is "special report". "spec" i am shannon bream, in for bret baier. egypt's political future is very much in the air. the democratically elected president morsi and his backers see protests and ensuing clashes as military arm twisting to a coup. his opponents just want him gone. we have fox team coverage. jennifer griffin examines u.s. egypt relations. conor powell has more. >> reporter: there's a real
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sense in egypt that the country is on the brink of sweeping political change, but whether or not that will be peaceful or democratic or violent change is still unclear. behind me they have been partying in tahrir square all night. there have been fireworks, laser shows, music. they are happy. they believe the military is stepping in and helping the opposition taking a side against president mohammed morsi and the muslim brotherhood. the army says it is trying to act as mediator in this political crisis, but this is a threat clearly to intervene with the deadline looming tomorrow. the military says they will intervene if morsi and the opposition don't agree to some type of peaceful agreement. morsi is speaking now on air to almost midnight in egypt. he has been on air several hours. he admitted mistakes, but reminded the egyptian people he was democratically elected and that his government is democratic and that he has a right to stay in power.
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now, the head of the egyptian army did meet with morsi today, but it still seems unlikely in the next few days, according to reports, the military is floating a plan that would get rid of the current constitution, dissolve parliament, hold elections in the next few days. this would severely hurt the muslim brotherhood which controls the president and parliament and wrote the constitution. the mood of the pro-morsi rallies have changed in the last few hours or so. they were less about support for mohammed morsi, more about defending islam to the death, the pro-muslim brotherhood groups are really casting this fight. there's a fight over the future of islam in egypt. as i said, shannon, this is really turning into a belief that the country is on the verge of sweeping political change, but what happens in the next 24 hours is very unclear. there are whispers of civil war, civil unrest, but no one knows
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yet what is going to happen. there's a lot to find out, shannon. >> and changes by the minute. we'll talk about it with the panel. conor powell, thank you. now jennifer griffin with a look at america's position regarding egypt. >> reporter: as millions of egyptians fill tahrir square, u.s. officials are weighing their words very carefully. president obama spoke by telephone with egyptian president morsi, reiterating u.s. support for the egyptian people. >> we have not taken sides, we are not on any side. the president communicated that, the secretary communicated that, i don't think it could be any more clear. >> reporter: the state department rebutted reports u.s. officials urged president morsi to call early elections. pentagon officials have said nothing for fear it will look like they're giving a wink and nod to a coup. general martin dempsey, chairman of the joint chiefs, spoke to his egyptian counter part prior to egypt's military setting its 48 hour ultimatum to morsi
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yesterday. last night, egypt's military clarified what it meant. quote, the beliefs and culture of the armed forces do not allow pursuit of a coup policy. the military acts only with the will of the great egyptian people and their ambitions towards change and reform. the pentagon has continue to help the egyptian military since the fall of hosni mubarak, providing $1.3 billion of mostly m-1 abrams tanks, some f-16 fighter jets each year. the u.s. has been providing this type of aid since 1979, when it became the first arab state to sign a peace deal with rael. >> there were no leverages from the u.s. to keep everything in check, probably the military would have been in a whole now. >> reporter: some egyptian opposition leaders say this is a case where u.s. foreign military sales actually worked, empowering the egyptian military to stand up to morsi and the muslim brotherhood.
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>> it is definitely a good thing. this military is unified, in one place, it has not been infiltrated by islamists, and a number of the muslim brotherhood in it probably very minute at this stage. >> reporter: not everyone agrees it has worked. >> we are not going to exercise leverage over the egyptian government, why is the american government unable to do that in the past. >> reporter: the aid to the military gives the u.s. leverage as it seeks to prevent martial law. if there's a coup, legally the u.s. must freeze aid to egypt. egypt's generals know this, apparently so does morsi, who says he has no plans to step down, shannon. >> jennifer, thank you very much. secretary of state john kerry says both the u.s. and russia are seriously committed to having an international conference on syria sooner rather than later. in today's fighting, they killed
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at least 11 people. activists number the dead from the two year civil war more than 100,000. taliban suicide attackers blow up a truck bomb at the gates of nato supplier's compound in kabul, sprayed gunfire at security personnel. five guards and two civilians died in the attack. the taliban say the attacks will continue, even as they say they're willing to enter peace talks. director of national intelligence james clapper has attempted to head off criticism that he lied to congress over the extent of government surveillance on american citizens when he said this to senator widen. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly.
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>> in a letter to senate intelligence committee chair woman dianne feinstein, clapper writes my response was clearly erroneous, for which i apologize. he explained faced with the challenge of trying to give an unclassified answer about our intelligence collection activities, many of which are classified, i simply didn't think of section 215 of the patriot act. this comes at the same time the person responsible for adding some of the classified programs, nsa leaker edward snowden, watch as political options for asylum vanish every day. >> reporter: the nsa leaker waits in the transit zone of moscow airport, eight of 21 countries said no or express serious reservations about accepting edward snowden's application. ecuador's president says temporary travel documents provided by the london embassy that allowed him to travel hong kong to russia were a mistake, and the south american nation can't consider that request now. india's foreign ministry
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confirms his application was received and effectively denied. >> we have carefully examined the request, following that careful examination we have concluded we see no reason to accede to that request. >> reporter: he met with his russian counter part, john kerry played down lack of movement on the snowden case, saying it is a law enforcement matter, not a diplomatic one. >> it wasn't discussed in a way that he would be able to take any action on it, though i hope he will communicate the views i expressed. >> reporter: in moscow for a summit of energy exporters, venezuela president said he should be celebrated revealing the american government spying tactics. >>translator: we believe this young man has done something very important for humanity. he did humanity a favor, told great truth to deconstruct a world impaired by the elite.
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>> reporter: the state department dismissed russian media reports that venezuela's president may spirit snowden away on his private jet after the energy conference. >> what would the united states response be to that? >> it's again speculating on a hypothetical. our focus is on returning him to the u.s. >> reporter: while the snowden case is unusual, several nations, spain, ireland, norway, austria, fin land said the rules remain the same. the nsa leaker must apply in person on their territory, no exceptions. the reporter who broke the nsa controversy spoke to fox and friends. >> he completely understood that once he came forward against the u.s. government and the obama administration he would become the most wanted man on earth and would be hunted down by the world's most powerful state. >> reporter: his father had an open letter to his son, saying he is a modern day paul revere alerting the american people to the u.s. government surveillance programs.
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intelligence officials continue to insist tonight the damage is significant and lasting, shannon. >> and his options wielg away by the days. >> they are. >> thank you. no more delays in the trial of major nadil hasan. a military judge entered a not guilty plea for the psychiatrist accused in the deadly attack. he is representing himself, asked for more time to find a lawyer, was told that has to happen before jury selection july 9th. he faces execution or life without parole if convicted of 13 counts of premeditated murder, 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder. prosecutors rested their case against bradley manning, former u.s. army intelligence analyst acknowledged sending more than 700,000 iraq and afghanistan war logs and state department diplomatic cables to wikileaks. if convicted, he could face a life sentence. dennis rodman practically banks on receiving the peace
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award that gandhi john paul ii failed to win. and in the zimmerman trial, a possible momentum shift.
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the defense in george zimmerman's murder trial contends he shot trayvon martin in self defense after his head was repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk. this afternoon, a medical examiner's testimony for prosecutors cast doubt on that. phil keating has been following the story in sanford, florida. good evening, phil. >> reporter: good evening, shannon. cot ended abruptly this afternoon after defense objections to the state's evidence presentation. prosecutors want to enter for the jury to see criminal law textbooks studied by george zimmerman to show that he knew well florida stand your ground self defense law and how to use it to his benefit if he shot someone. earlier today, testimony by jacksonville, florida medical
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examiner valerie rao, whose opinion was that george zimmerman's life never was in danger, and his injuries were, quote, insignificant. dr. rao didn't examine zimmerman in person but studied photographs of his face as well as injuries on his head. he claims he shot and killed trayvon martin in self defense, after martin repeatedly slammed his head into the sidewalk. >> if somebody's head is repeatedly slammed against concrete with great force, i would expect lacerations, i would expect a lot of injury that would bleed profusely that would necessitate suturing, so i don't see that. >> the jury also reviewing the police re-enactment video zimmerman made with police as day seven of zimmerman's secondary murder trial saw the lead detective in the case, the man seen wearing the sunglasses, again take the stand. during redirect, prosecutor bernie de la rionda hammered home the theory that zimmerman
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profiled martin from the start. >> if i were to believe that somebody was committing a crime, could that not be profiling that person? >> object, your honor. >> overruled. >> do you understand the question? >> yes, i do. it could be construed as such, yes. >> zimmerman's best friend that recommended zimmerman always carry his concealed weapon on him took the stand. he interviewed zimmerman for a book he wrote, on cross examination explained why zimmerman told him he feared for his life. >> do you recall if he even told you that trayvon martin had touched the gun or just that he was reaching for it? >> i thought he had said he had grabbed the gun. >> reporter: prosecutors then brought out a witness that said there were no fingerprints of martin found on zimmerman's gun. still to come for the state, trayvon martin's mother, sabrina fulton, expected to give
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emotional testimony for the jury listening to the 911 call with screams in the background identifying that as her son. >> thank you. hundreds of firefighters battling wildfires in arizona are not getting help from the wind. it is whipping flames more powerfully than gusts over the weekend that led to the deaths of 19 firefighters. officials say it is unclear how many houses burned, but the current estimate is about 50. a spokesman says the yarnell fire is still 0% contained. still ahead, a health care story that may make you a bit sick. and first, scientists that predicted the end of days over sequestration might have been crying wolf. when you experience something great, you want to share it. with everyone. that's why more customers recommend verizon, america's largest 4g lte network.
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a new report suggests when obama care goes into effect, it
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will hit healthy people right where it hurts, in the wallet. white house correspondent wendal goaler has details. >> reporter: as the president's aides wage a lobbying campaign for the insurance people will begin to sign up for, a "the wall street journal" survey shows the cost may be three times as much as the cheapest insurance now. sunday in a taped speech, mr. obama said that won't be the case. >> insurance companies will compete for your business, which means more choices and more affordable premiums. >> reporter: the insurance exchanges have to cover people with more serious illnesses, that means more expensive treatment. obama care critics say no one should be surprised. >> only reason anybody got c confused is because president obama said premiums would go down, not up. that was never the case. >> reporter: journal study showed the healthiest male smokers with rates the exchanges will charge anyone, including those with pre-existing
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conditions. the goal of universal coverage raises the cost, critics say doesn't have to. >> the way to do it is through high risk pools and other insurance mechanisms at the state level, they chose not to do that in the obama care law. >> reporter: more than a quarter of the people that currently apply for private insurance plans either wind up playing higher rates or turn down all together, so the difference in cost won't be as great as it seems, but higher prices could discourage healthy young people the exchanges need to enroll to keep costs from going higher. young people would wind up paying a lower tax penalty for not having insurance instead. obama care supporters are betting they won't. >> i think adults, young adults, make decisions, is this a value to me. and it is figuring out is the cost to me worth the benefit. >> reporter: meanwhile, the national republican senatorial committee is attacking landrieu up for re-election when the
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insuranceoes into effect. saying obama care hurts families driving up costs and jep arizes care. in 2014, voters will finally have an opportunity to thank landrieu by showing her the door. >> reporter: they have to offer insurance to workers, that could mean more applying to insurance exchanges since there's no change to the requirement that if you can afford it, you have to buy it or pay a fine. >> we shall talk about that with the panel. thank you. two positive economic reports came out, home prices jumped the most in seven years. auto sales are continuing their momentum with the big three american automakers posting gains up to 14%. investors didn't ride that optimism. remember the dire warnings about the dramatic effects of automatic budget cuts known as
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sequestration? chief political correspondent carl cameron looks at what did and mostly did not happen four months in. >> reporter: president obama and democrats warned of disaster repeatedly before the $85 billion in automatic across the board spending cuts began four months ago. >> congress allows this meat cleaver approach to take place, it will jeopardize our military readiness, it will eviscerate job creating investments in education and energy and medical research. >> reporter: up to a million federal employees faced furloughs up to 22 days off unpaid. many had to take a few, if any days of off. government service hasn't broken down, many services have been averted because the cuts by congress were effectively eliminated. flights in airports quickly backed up a few days before congress had a scheduled week-long spring recess. lawmakers with remarkable speed passed and the president signed
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legislation letting the faa find savings in other accounts, put the controllers back to work. there's bipartisan agreement that the cuts known as sequester are strange military readiness, but the rest of the government overall has managed. >> most other agencies have very minimal effect and they found ways to move money around to prioritize from lower pots of spending and activities to things most needed. >> reporter: the justice department avoided furloughing fbi agents and prison staff when they discovered $350 million in unspent cash from programs that never started or ended under budget. homeland security sidestepped furloughing customs and border control and coast guard personnel not filling vacant jobs, cutting bonuses, postponing some maintenance programs. >> those sort of one time fixes are going to go away over time. some of the predictions we saw that haven't come true yet are still quite likely in the future. >> reporter: congress has three months until end of september to fund the government for next year, avoid a government shut
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down. it will be tougher, another $109 billion in sequester cuts are required. democrats are already predicting catastrophe, but raised that alarm four months ago, so far, nothing even close. shannon? >> carl, thank you. you are paying for a bunch of dead people to collect social security checks. and dennis rodman has five nba rings, but pretty far out there, even for him. the grapevine is next. can vitamins melt into mouth-watering flavor?
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to notify the administration when someone died failed 80% of the time. and the problem is not fixed. the inspector general's report warns if measures are not taken to correct the problem, another $15 million in mistaken payments will go out in the next year. the social security administration says it is working on a fix. mother teresa, nelson mandela, martin luther king junior, and dennis rodman? the former nba star says he deserves to join the ranks of nobel peace prize winners. he says his unlikely friendship with north korea dictator kim jong-un earned him that title. in sports illustrated where are they now, he says he stepped up to ease tensions between the u.s. and north korea. quote, why it has been left to me to smooth things over, i don't know. dennis rodman of all people, keeping us safe is really not my job, but i'll tell you this, if i don't finish in the top three for the next nobel peace prize,
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something's seriously wrong. and finally, a bitingly sarcastic letter from disgruntled passenger to an airline captures the frustration many of us felt while traveling. arthur hicks flight to the caribbean didn't go as expected with unplanned stops and delays on the way. he wrote to the airline. most other airlines would simply wish to take me from point a to b in rather a hurry. i was intrigued that we were allowed to stop at not a lowly one or two but a magnificent six airports, and who wants to fly on the same airplane the entire time, we got to change and refuel every step of the way. the letter ends ps, keep the bag, i never liked it anyway. bp spent $25 million on response, cleanup and compensation over the 2010 oil spill. the tab could go billions higher because of what the company says are fraudulent claims. senior national correspondent john roberts has more. >> reporter: a federal judge
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today named former fbi director louis freeh as special investigator in the bp claims process. his task to look into allegations that an attorney in the claims administration receive kickbacks for doling out millions in bp money. >> we think that we have to have somebody with real credibility and independence to determine whether or not this is an isolated case of impropriety, perhaps criminality, or if there's a far more pervasive thing going on. >> reporter: the kickback scandal is one thing they say. the other is that the administrator that took over from ken fine berg is processing what they call hundreds of fictitious claims unrelated to the spill. former solicitor general ted olson is going to court next week in attempt to get some of the money back. >> what's happening now is completely outside the realm of reality, and plaintiff's lawyers are bragging about it, and
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they're advertising please, line up at my doorstep, we'll get money for you. >> reporter: he points to advertisements like this. a florida attorney counsels clients, even if they don't think bp caused their loss, quote, as long as the numbers pass the test, the law presumes bp caused the loss. another brags the craziest thing about the settlement is you can be compensated for losses unrelated to the spill. bp complains the system is out of control. >> we should be held account for that which we did to adversely impact the environment and economy of the gulf coast, but we should not be made to pay for things we did not cause. getting something for nothing is not the american way. >> reporter: claims floor patrick juneau rejected the complaints, telling fox news we processed claims efficiently and correctly in accordance with the settlement agreement and orders of the court. plaintiff's attorneys and state officials argue bp knew full well when they signed on to the
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agreement, has only now come down with buyers' remorse. >> they went to court, said this is what we plan to do, we understand this is what we are going to do. to now come back, try to retrade the deal, claim there's something unfair about the process is disingenuous at best on bp's part. >> reporter: the criticism aside, there are still questions as to why businesses, hundreds of miles from the coast, are being compensated, why law firms are among the highest payouts for losses, and states are using bp money for projects like a $15 million ballpark in biloxi mississippi, and $85 million lodge and conference center near gulf shores, alabama. bp says it simply wants to get compensation quickly to people who deserve it. the company realizes it attracts little sympathy on the gulf coast, bp says that's still no reason it should be unfairly fleeced. shannon? >> thank you, john. little round top figures to be one of the most popular
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tourist destinations, 150th anniversary of the battle of gettysburg continues. day two of the battle, july 2nd, 1863. tomorrow, national park rangers lead the commemorative march across nearly a mile of open fields. thursday, a special look at all that goes into the re-enactments, including more than 10,000 participants. 135 cannons and 400 horses. the egyptian presidency on a nice edge. we will talk about it with the fox all stars when we come back. excuse me, sir i'm gonna have to ask you to power down your little word game. i think your friends will understand., it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geico 24/7. sounds a little too good to be true sir. i'll believe that when pigs fly.
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we are on the other side, we are on the side of the egyptian people. we have been in touch with all sides. we have encouraged the government to reach out to opposition and work through the political process.
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>> it is irrelevant now what president obama says because the people are on the streets for three days, 30 million people on the streets. i think the only thing he can say now is to call on morsi to relinquish power, leave egypt in peace. that would be remembered for a long time. >> keeping a close eye on egypt as things are changing moment by moment. mohammed morsi took to the air waves saying he was not going anywhere. but there are deadlines from the military. juan williams, nina easton, and charles krauthammer. welcome to you all. juan, i'll start with you. where are we in the middle of this, should we be in the middle of this? >> we are in the middle because of our support for military as you heard in the report earlier in the show, shannon, and you know, that comment, that quote we just heard, which is well, you know, this is an example where foreign aid paid off, because otherwise the military
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would be up for grabs, including its weaponry, is true. so the united states has a major lever to operate in the midst of this fight, and one that could, in fact, act to keep the muslim brotherhood from supporting morsi. so farther the lone element left to do so. so what we can see here in the 24 to 48 hours to come is uncertain, but it looks like the one stable element in this very combustible mix is the one the united states has some entree to, and that's the egyptian military. >> nina, how much will it look like the u.s. is somehow involved if it is the military that comes out on top. >> and how times have changed. i mean, the military, after a year of morsi being in power, the army is suddenly looking pretty good. you had an economy completely dysfunctional, gas shortages, foreign reserves plummeting, tourism, the parking lots around the pyramids are empty of tour
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bus. this is a country just in total dysfunction. so now everybody is looking to the army, but that's also a dangerous game to play, and i think there's a limit, a serious limit to how much we can geto d there's also a limit to how much you can corner the muslim brotherhood. yes, morsi doesn't look good now, but muslim brotherhood who supporters say they will fight for islam to the death today is what they were saying, that remains a very powerful political force. you don't want to push this country into a civil war. >> it looks like that's a possibility as conor powell reported, there is talk of that, whispers of that. according to reports, the military has to do with scrapping the current constitution, dissolving parliament, holding new elections, all of those go directly to the muslim brotherhood who had a strong roll in that, and they say they'll fight to the death, where does that leave us, charles? >> it leaves us where we are tonight, the government lost legitimacy in the eyes of the
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people, and really in the eyes of the politicians as well, who represent the factions of people. today you had the foreign minister resign, the cabinet secretary resign, that brings to six the number of members of the cabinet, all who are not islamists who resigned. you have the courts today declaring the prosecutor general whom morsi had appointed and who was persecuting and prosecuting artists, critics, journalists in a way that's dictatorial, showed the courts don't have any confidence in the president. obviously the army does not. and you have, you know, perhaps a quarter of the population in the streets. i think what the administration is not understanding is that what we have here is a crisis of legitimacy. it is not a question of reform. in the morsi speech he just made in which he concluded minutes ago, he not only said he would stay on, but he didn't speak at all about speaking with the
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opposition, having some kind of national government. this is a brotherhood dedicated to dictatorial rule, which is what it has been engaged in over a year. that's why the people are in the streets. this isn't an argument over the composition of the government legitimacy, and to what extent america is involved, it ought not recognize the legitimacy of this government as it did in the green revolution in 2009, where we stood with legitimacy of the mu a. we ought to say nothing, say we support the egyptian people, but not support the government, and not in any way encourage it to do x, y and z. it has to appoint an interim government. >> the state department said we're not taking sides, taking the side of the egyptian people and that's it. when you have our president making a call to morsi to offer counsel or suggestion, what message does that send. >> wrong thing, what you showed in that statement there, we
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encourage the government to reach out to the opposition. the people in the street don't think it is the government, and we ought not be reinforcing it. >> nina, you touched on the issues about the military. do we have any leverage at this point with them? >> we have some leverage i think to push, as juan was saying, to push them to call for if they are going to step in, which is a question unto itself, to push for earlier elections. but you know, i think there's a limit to how far your strengths go in foreign aid in any case. there was a time we used our strength to get ngo workers out of egypt. we couldn't use it for the army on dealing with human rights and so on, so i think there's a limit to how far our ties go, and i also don't think we should be the front man for the military. i mean, this is -- we're playing a dangerous game here. i think charles raises the
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point, you don't want to be embracing morsi, but you have to -- and the opposition groups now are turning to the military, but keep in mind what happened last time they turned to the military. this is not a game i think we should be out in front on. i think this is one of those rare moments in the middle east where it is good for obama to stay in the background. >> and juan, there's a lot of talk about what will happen if the deadline is not met. it sounds like president morsi is not going to comply with what the military is asking for about how things would play out with the general then stepping up, appointments to the judicial conferences and rewriting the constitution. i mean, it is a tenuous process. what do you make of where we could be 24, 48 hours from now? >> the good news about egypt is you have a substantial middle class, substantial number of educated people. in fact, there's talk about the former head of the international atomic energy commission or agency, who played such a significant role back in the iraq war and all of that, that
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he might come out and he has been anti-morsi player, so he is an international figure, he has some legitimacy to him, you could see the military going to him as they disband the parliament, as they call for rewriting of the constitution, and think we'll have him now in charge and we will have elections in five, six, seven months, whatever, and that that could get international support. the key point here i think about the military aid, shannon, the country, and this is a point my colleagues have made, the country is in economic distress right now. they can't do without that american money. that's morsi as well as the military. that's why morsi is on a very short leash here. he knows if he stays in power and the united states pulls its money, the country goes into economic collapse, totally. so they can't have it because his one year in power has been
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an economic ruin for egypt and that's why the middle class is in the streets. >> certainly a lot of unrest. next up, obama care's unintended consequences and breaking news on that front, too. when you experience something great, you want to share it. with everyone. that's why more customers recommend verizon, america's largest 4g lte network. test test you thought this beach couldn't get any more tempting...
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>> take advantage of these marketplaces. folks need to sign up. we need community leaders like to you share with people what the affordable care act means for them and help even more americans sign up for coverage. >> i think they are between a rock and hard place here. the time is very short and they are trying to take the health care law, obama care mainstream by any means possible. the country is very divided on it and it was passed on a very partisan vote. >> shannon: now the administration is looking to it a lot of different places for help in selling
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the healthcare law as it rolls out. now delaying a very important deadline that's going to be pushed back to 2015. bring our panel to talk about that nina, i will start with you. we have had this news the president has talked about lie-i librarians and school teachers. >> they are mounting a campaign to sell what is a very divisive law as we just heard passed on a mostly party line vote and it's been a very divisive law. i thought it was very telling that the -- that basic league and the national football league said no thank you. not only in terms of being part of this campaign, this informational campaign because not only has this become, it's always been politically divisive. the question now is when it starts actually hitting people and they actually feel the effect of it will
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it become toxic. before benign. keep the kid on your policy until they are 26th. people with preexisting conditions, you know, won't be bounced out of the system. it's going to extend either generally we talked generally about extending insurance to people who don't have it now. but now we have studies coming out saying that healthy people, like a healthy 40-year-old is likely to pay two to three times that amount what they are paying now if they are buying an individual policy. that's sticker shock. that's shocking. that's a really hard pill to swallow. even if it means that people with preexisting conditions or sicker people might be paying less. it's really going to be hitting people hard. interesting as you alluded to. they are also having issues with businesses. and they have now pushed back the deadline for businesses to comply with the mandates and that for a year as we were just kind of joking around the table here until after the 2014 election. >> yeah. this is the 2015 the employer mandate which is that they have to provide certain coverage for
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employees is moved back to 2015. what i want to read you a little bit of what senator brass so he had to say, a republican also a physician says delaying the employer mandate is a clear christian by the administration is law is unpopular, unworkable and up unpopular coming train wreck associated with obama care until after the 2014 elections. i'm guessing you wouldn't use the words train wreck for this? >> not at all. i think senator have a was so he on saturday it was pat roberts the senator from kansas. they are all saying my gosh the world is about to end. the sky is falling. nina says people thought this was benign when it was about the fact that your kids could stay on your insurance policy as parents or people with preexisting conditions. you know, i think for some people and especially republicans, this has always been the end. they don't like it. they have been consolidated in their opposition and permanent and they are now trying to make sure that it has a bad launch. >> what about the hard
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numbers that nina cited. this piece today and there are many studies coming out saying healthy people are going to have to pay a lot more. universal coverage isn't free. it doesn't come out of air. >> no. but the fact is most people get their insurance through their employer take a nonsmoking male i believe he was 40 years old and compare him to someone who is sick and what their rates would be under this new plan. base fee. their fee is going to be pumped up under this new plan as you know people who do have preexisting conditions people who are sick are going to be included and insurance companies as they compete will not be able to eliminate those people are say we won't cover you, so the numbers will go up some. but, it's just not the case that, you know, everybody walking down the street is going to pay a higher fee
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or not be able to get to their doctor. a lot of these doomsday scenarios, you know, some of them may come to passion. i don't know. the fact is it's not going to be the sky is falling in the way that you hear. >> shannon: at least not until after the 2014 election according to charles there is a connection there. >> cynicism is always the right assumption. senator ba was so he is exactly right. the dates aren't accidental. i would say, juan, that the one person who called it that train wreck, obama care was not a republican. he was the democratic senator head of the budget, committee max baucus who knows of which he speaks maximum transfer of wealth from young it to the old. young people are going to be paying double and triple what would ordinarily be paying in health insurance if the premium were linked to the risk which is the way that would be for the last 600 years in
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insurance. it's not. it's linked to what nancy pelosi and harry reid agreed upon as the risk ratio. they are going to be doubling and trip fling. that's the effect the free lunch part of this affair is now over. >> no such thing. first thing i learned in business school. thank you, panel. that's it for the panel. stay tuned for a reporter who did his very best not to become a part of the story but didn't exactly succeed.
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>> shannon: finally tonight, one of the first rules for reporters is not become a part of the story. even the very best effort to stick to that rule sometimes fail. ♪ >> here come the police to break up another night of protest. and here is the water canon just coming in as well. it's not known whether these protests -- don't know whether these protests. [explosion]
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