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be sthour stay with fox news for the latest on the zimmerman trial. make sure you go to gretawir gretawire.com. we have a new question there for you. court is in session, new lock on gretawire, good night from florida. >> you are looking live at the courthouse in sanford, florida where the fate of george zimmerman is now in the hands of the jury. hi, everyone, i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly and thanks for watching us tonight. we are officially on verdict watch in the george zimmerman murder trial. day one of deliberations has ended without a verdict. the six person all-female panel is deciding if george zimmerman is guilty of second degree murder, manslaughter, or not guilty of either charge in the death of trayvon martin. there is also a fourth possible outcome though, a hung jury. throughout the hour, the factor will bring you the most comprehensive and responsible coverage of every development in this case. but, first, a recap of the drama that unfolded today.
during closing arguments, the defense asked the jurors one last time to find george zimmerman not guilty. >> i almost wish and i have never said this in a criminal trial before. i never heard it being said before. i almost wish that the verdict had guilty, not guilty, and completely innocent. i would ask you to check that one. check the not guilty but check the innocent then, too. >> laura: the prosecution then gave a rebuttal. >> the only way that defendant gets to his gun, the only way trayvon martin was getting off of him or he had backed up so far on his leg that he couldn't hit, couldn't touch him the defendant didn't shoot trayvon martin because he had to.
he shot him because he wanted to. that's the bottom line. >> harris: by mid afternoon the judge charged the jurors and the case is now in their hands. joining us now from new york with the analysis of the day is judge alex fer war, a former florida circuit cut judge and host of judge alex who has been following this case. judge, the dramatic wind up to all of this today and, first, i have to get your take on the defense closing. now, a lot of people have been fairly critical of how the defense has handled this case i think o'mara came with a little less zest than i would have liked but tell us what your take was. >> that's his style. everybody has a different style. you saw bernie yesterday and i thought that as a little over the top. i thought some of john guy's closing today was a little over the top a little dramatic. they have emotion to work with. the reason they have emotion to work with is because they don't have a
lot else beyond emotion. oweo'mara is more to the point. he made a the lo of good points. box check off innocent because is totally innocent is good. one of the things they are worried about is compromised verdict. they charged second but we don't want to say not guilty because this is a 17-year-old who was unarmed who was killed even though they haven't proven the case or self-defense looks solid. maybe we can settle to be manslaughter. that's as bad for george zimmerman as second degree murder. so, by i saying i wish there was a box that is completely innocent, you could check it off or write it on there. it's kind of like not guilty as the compromise. and he put up good evidence and a good argument for a complete not guilty verdict. as a matter of law, i think the right verdict legally is not guilty but there is that huge risk that the jury is going to say we want a compromise and give manslaughter. >> laura: judge, before we get to the prosecutor's rebuttal, i loved the moment where he hit the stop watch o'mara and we
went through that four-minute time period. for a lot of folks who haven't been following this, tell us what that four minutes represented of dead silence in the courtroom? >> yeah, he sat there for four minutes with dead silence and he said that was the amount of time that trayvon martin had to get home if he was really afraid. you know, the prosecution has made this deal about trayvon martin was afraid of george zimmerman. he was this crazy guy who is following him and who is not afraid of that? and this pointed out that if he really was afraid, he had four minutes to get to his house and the house was, as he described it, a football throw's away from where he was. so, that was a very good point. i would have followinged it up. because, the allegation or the implication there was trayvon didn't want to go home. he was upset that this creepy ass cracker was following him and he wanted confrontation. that was there. i would have followed one jeantel she heard trayvon
say why are you following me and george zimmerman say what are you talking about? if you actually approach somebody you have been chasing you wouldn't say what are you talking about? what are you talking about is what you say when somebody comes out of the darkness and you weren't expecting them and they confront you and say why are you following me? >> laura: it would be like what are you talking about? why are you asking me that? so. >> that would coincide with the four minutes of he could have gotten away if he wanted to but he didn't because he wanted to confront this guy. and so, you know, that was very -- it was very powerful. of course, the defense used it to say he didn't go home because he didn't want him to see where he lived. >> laura: meanwhile, the prosecution. >> the prosecution, yeah. >> laura: the prosecution gets their rebuttal and the argument is about the boy versus that, basically that strange man. that grown man who he referred to as strange. a strange person. and it was very emotional. look into your heart. basically saying are we that type of country to allow this type of man to
go free? how did that play as the final punctuation mark on this trial. >> i think it played well. there is no question this is an emotion case. whether you have a 17-year-old boy unarmed and killed, it tears at your heart strings. i have mentioned it before, my mother, unfortunately lost two sons. i know it's very, very difficult to get past losing a child. so, the jury, especially of all women but any jury would sympathize with this. so the prosecution is pounding the emotional side of this case, saying to the jury as he said, you know, i don't have trayvon here to put my arm around like omar are a did around george zimmerman during his closing. so, that does play well. but the reason they are playing that is because they don't have anything else. the prosecution's theory has changed some times in this case because they, frankly, don't have the evidence to beat a claim of self-defense. they originally said trayvon was on the bottom. when that didn't work they said maybe he was standing. when that didn't work they said he was on top but maybe he was backing up. they don't have any evidence that that was going on. if they get a conviction
for manslaughter it will be because the jury wanted to compromise to not make this seem like something minimal. i don't see a conviction for second stands up on appeal. >> laura: if that's the way the jury operates, to me taking that tact is kind of a travesty. that's not how the justice system is supposed to work. if you view the justice system as impartial and it's supposed to be that, that, to me is, a farce. >> it is. >> it shouldn't go down that way. and, you know, the bottom line is that i think that that should have been addressed a little more strongly biomarah in his closing. he should have talked about compromise and how that is a dereliction of the duty of the jury. they should be -- it's either proven or not bottom line. >> laura: exactly. judge alex, thank thanks very much. how effectively did each side make its indicates ca case in this try. florida authorities appealing for peace after the verdict ghoms in the zimmerman trial. while are some commentators saying that is racist? those reports when we come ba
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>> laura: continuing now with live coverage of the george zimmerman murder trial, as the jury ends day one of deliberations without a verdict, they will consider how will each side argue its case and defense attorney mark o'mara, you know, he tried to physically prove zimmerman's innocence earlier this week. >> so, george zimmerman, trayvon martin. the injuries on mr. zimmerman's head consistent with somebody doing this on cement? >> i don't think so. >> how about this? how about somebody resisting the attempt, the injuries the two lacerations? could that have come from cement? if somebody was resisting me pushing down? >> i believe so. i believe it was a culmination of downward force, whether it was from pushing or striking and i know clearly by the injuries to his face and
that would drive him back, his head striking hard into the concrete. >> meanwhile, the prosecution tried to paint a very sinister picture of the defendant. >> why does this defendant get out of the car if he thinks that trayvon smarnt a threat to him? why? why? because he has got a gun. he has got the equalizer. is he going to take care of it. he is a wanna be cop. he is going to take care of it he has got a gun. and my god it's his community and is he not going to put up with it. either the police are taking too long to respond, he is he going to handle it. >> laura: in the end, which side was more convincing? joining us now to analyze from boy ton beach florida is suskauer and former florida prosecutor. all right, philip, let's start with you from the more prosecutorial standpoint. how did the prosecution do as this trial moved
forward? there was a lot of criticism early on about they were not able to reach their benchmark burden of proof and so things kind of changed as the case went on but what's your take? >> well, here is the thing. it's really factor of two separate trials. from the moment the incident occurred on, i think the state did a very poor job. i think the fact that they allowed mr. zimmerman to enter in his statement without being forced to take the stand was a collosal error. that being said, everything prealtercation i think they did a very good job. and i believe that if emotion is the one key factor that the jury places their hat on and places their weight in, there could be the possibility of a manslaughter conviction coming back. >> now, michelle, let's -- can you respond to that if you want. i mean, i'm not as charitable toward the prosecution. maybe -- my former defense lawyer hat that i'm still wearing. >> right. >> i don't think they met the mark in this case. i have been pretty consistent with that and didn't change with the
closing argument. i think they did a pretty good job what they had. they didn't have a lot. your take on what they said and then we will move on. >> you know, i think that they just -- did they do the best job that they possibly could do. no i think they tried. but there were things that they should have done that they could have done much, much better. i think it was very disappointing. and i think that their closing argument yesterday was completely scattered and all over the place and offensive. and maybe just over the top. really, really over the top. and, again, i think that there was also a lack of proper witness preparation. i remember the medical examiner or what we could have done with him. but, so, no, i think that you know, if you are going to compare two, i disagree. i think that prior to the altercation, everything gets looped into the same pot here. and i think that they lose. just from the point when they filed these charges. it was all down hill from there. >> laura: i mean, for
ms. jeantel's appearance on the stand. people thought people were being unfair to her. the woman on the phone with trayvon, when of course, he was approaching trayvon -- approaching zimmerman. and that was obviously not a good moment for the prosecution. but even past that, i mean, you can't supplant and philip, can you chime. in you can't supplant emotion with where the facts are supposed to be in the case to prove that element of ill will or anger or visceral hatred of trayvon martin or a black person in order to prove that second degree murder charge. might be different for the manslaughter. >> i would absolutely agree with you. i think they painted themselves in the corner from the beginning by locking themselves into the version that they thought was going to come out. and quite frankly, that version did not come out. that being said at the end of the day, you still have a 17-year-old child. you still have an individual who is dead through no fault of his own. i think that if -- if the state could show enough emotion that the jury puts a lot of weight with that they may do a split the baby and say we don't want
to come back with a murder 2 conviction because they didn't reach that. we don't want to come back with nothing. this poor kid is dead. they don't realize the ramification that a conviction could be 10 to 30 years. if emotion is the primary factor. >> laura: which is ridiculous. listen to what we are saying, emotion is the primary factor or could it be. >> that's wrong. >> laura: i know, philip, you are saying that's not the way it should go. that's not the way the criminal justice system is supposed to operate for the defense or or the state. not whether there is going to be riot or "new york times" is going to like it or al sharpton is going to like it or not frankly whether the prosecution or defense is going to like it. what happened that night with everything we know yard is the standard. not whether we want to split the baby. but, michelle, go ahead. i want to talk about the defense reenactment as well but go ahead. >> you know, laura, i mean you are directly on target. and the judge insphruckets the jury that that emotion should not be playing a part. if that's the only thing
they have that's pretty sad. again, completely overcharged here. and what they did, jumping up and down from the very beginning about this cop wanna be who was overaggressive but they can't answer key questions. what they want to do is really have the jury throw out all of their common sense and reason and say, you know what? he got out of the car. he wanted to be a cop. and you know what? nothing else matters because he is guilty. he got out of the car. but the fact is, there was only one viable, viable theory of what happened and they could not prove it. there were too many unanswered questions and they wanted the jury to go on a journey with them way too far into the stratosphere. i think that's what mark o'mara was continuing to harp upon. >> philip, we only have a little time. did you think that defense reenactment video that was allowed to be playing in the closing where he did the reenactment of what happened that night, was that powerful. >> it was tremendously powerful. because the state was kind of wavering as to their
theory of how this incident occurred. the defense said, no, no, no, no. this is how the incident occurred. >> what is odd is that is usually the state's to do that in this case mark o'mara did that. >> i think it was better to use that in the closing than it would have been to have used it in the actual case. that he was my take. counselors, thank you very much. coming up next, president obama was quick to way weigh in on the trayvon martin death last year. why is the white house refusing now to comment on the situation? that report moments away. in miami, coca-cola is coming together with latino leaders to support hispanicize, and e adelante movement. teaching tools for success, and fostering creativity. these programs are empowering people to lead positive change, and helping them discover how great a little balance can feel. through initiatives like these, our goal is to inspire more than three million people to rediscover the joy of being active this summer. see the difference all of us can make, together.
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>> laura: back nau with life coverage of the george zimmerman murder trial. a case that is playing out all over the country, including the white house briefing room. >> is the president watching this trial and does he have any concerns as to what the response might be once it's come to its conclusion? >> i think that -- well,
the president, as you know, does not spend a lot of time watching television during the day. but, you know, his comments on that are, you know, what they were, but, we're not going to say anything from here in the midst of a trial of that nature. >> laura: not going to say anything that wasn't the case last year when shortly after trayvon martin's death the president said this: >> can i only imagine what these parents are going through. and when i think about this boy, i think about my own kids. my main message is to to the parents of trayvon martin. you know, if i had a son, he would look like trayvon. >> laura: joining us now with reaction from sanford, florida is fox news host judge jeanine pirro and judge pirro, i know have you been covering every angle of this case from beginning to end. and it's wrapped up. the jury is out. coming back tomorrow.
but when you hear about, you know, all these claims that we're not going to get into politics. nothing political about this, and we're not going to worry about race, it's not racial now. you know, that doesn't really play. and, judge, i don't know if he saw jesse jackson's tweet, i think we have it. we will show our viewers what he tweeted about this trial. he said if zimmerman is not convicted, avoid violence because it only leads to more tragedy. self-destruction is not the road to reconstruction. compare this, judge, to what jesse jackson said last year at a big rally about 1600 people at a church. let's listen. just a moment. if it's a movement we go to war. the power of the power of trayvon's blood. >> laura: we go to war,
judge? the power and the blood of trayvon martin. he said is he a martyr? what's your take of that part of this element of race and racism and so forth? >> you know, laura, so many people have tried to make this case about race. people come in to every trial or every conflict with a preconceived notion of how they feel and how things should work out. here's the bottom line. if jesse jackson was trying to incite people, the reverend jesse jackson last year, we at least should give him benefit at this point, a year later for saying, you know what? whatever the verdict is, let's not riot, let's not have a problem. is it credible? i have no reason to believe it isn't credible. but, laura, what i think is even more stunning, is when jay carney says, well, you know, the president really isn't watching this case. wait a minute, this is the same president who heard about fast and furious by watching the news in 2011. he heard about the irs targeting conservative groups by watching the news this year. and, yet, the president got
involved in a local case that he he had absolutely no involvement in. it was not a national issue because of the race issue when he was in the middle of a campaign. a contentious campaign for president. so, what you have got here is people sometimes talking out of both sides of their mouths. i have to give people the benefit of the doubt and say the president knew he made a mistake. jesse jackson knew he made a mistake. let's just go with the evidence. we had our day in court. >> laura: judge, what i think happened this case fell apart. what i think happened is that they tried to make this out -- this out-of-of control white guy, this vigilante, was targeting this black kid. you know, look, he might be found guilty, right? but he happens to be half hispanic. he happens to have mentored african-american kids. he happens to have taken a black woman to it a prom, i guests. he has no history of racial, you know, hate mongering. and i think that whole narrative fell apart badly. and i think they -- >> -- it could fall apart.
but, laura, what's interesting is that the prosecutor didn't buy into the racial narrative. the prosecutor bought into the narrative of ill will, spite, and evil although i don't think they proved it at all under any view of the evidence. as someone who had profiled trayvon as a criminal not the racial profiling in terms of, you know, trayvon himself in color. so, at the end of the day, laura, i agree with you. the prosecution did not prove that race was an issue in this case. they did not prove racial hatred. they did not prove murder in the second degree. i think the bigger question is did the prosecutor succumb to political incitement to overindict in this case? but then again, we have to wait and see. i set outside the courthouse waiting for the verdict like everyone else. >> laura: judge, your take on judge nelson, her demeanor, her fairness was she objective? >> look, you know, there are times when judges lose
their temper, all right? there are times when lawyers keep talking and talking and as this judge said, you know what? you made your record, you have got the history, i have got a sequestered jury. it's time to leave. you don't as a defense attorney, when i'm as a judge getting up to leave, keep yelling at me. are you kidding? most judges in new york would have held this guy in contempt. so, i truly believe that this judge was doing everything she could to move the case. i thought she was objective. but, at the end of the day, i mean, the jurors are the ones who will tell us whether or not they got a bad vibe from this judge. >> laura: a jeb bush appointee she was. this is a little fun fact. judge pirro thank you very much. live coverage of the george zimmerman murder trial is it racial fear mongering for officials in the sanford area to prepare for possible violence after the verdict is delivered? that debate as the factor continues. ♪
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you know your son is there one day and the next day is he gone. i think all americans are feeling your pain. we all want justice in the case. last night i said that from the very beginning, i don't know whether you know it, but certainly counselor crump calls we just called for calm. we said let the system work. let's not convict this zimmerman on television. let's not make these wild charges. a lot of people didn't follow my advice. they didn't. and i said last night that some of them should apologize like reverend sharpton. was i wrong to say that? >> i don't know the circumstances behind it. but he, also, promotes peace. we have never asked for anybody to do anything out of the ordinary. we wanted to have peaceful rallies and peaceful protests. we are not supporting any violence or anything like that. >> bill: no, you yourself and trayvon's father absolutely have been magnificent and so has your lawyer. you call for restraint. others have basically whipped up emotion.
if at the end of the trial, zimmerman is found not guilty because of this quirky law this stand your ground, and you see that it was a fair trial, do you think with all the emotion running through you that you could come out and say hey, he got a fair trial. is that possible? >> it's quite possible. i believe in the judicial system and i believe that he can get a fair trial. >> bill: okay. so, it's almost a burden on you though, i don't know how you are going to get through that i don't know how you are going to sit there and do that. >> how did i get through my son being murdered and the person walked for 44 days. >> bill: you have to relive this through this trial. >> i believe in the judicial system and i believe that he will get his day in court. he can plead his case. >> bill: okay. you are going to be there with her, right. >> i will be there with her. she has tremendous faith. >> bill: i heard that yesterday. you have a lot of faith in god which veally important in stuff like this. all right. look. let me just tell you this. if during the trial,
counselor, you see something that you don't think is right, all right, because what i don't want is that whatever the verdict may be, i want the american people, just like you said, ms. fulton, to accept the system. to accept the verdict. but if you see something that is not right, as it is unfolding, please let us know, all right, so that we can deal with it before the verdict comes down. go ahead. >> that's fair, bill, and i want to thank you and your show and a lot of the people for telling everybody to stay calm. i think that's so important. and it's one of those things sabrina said, this shouldn't be a racial issue. it should really just be about justice. >> absolutely. we are all americans here. nobody wants a 17-year-old son shot down in the street and i'm sure on the zimmerman side, nobody wants to see mr. zimmerman doesn't want to see his son's life ruined because of this. so, this is a tragedy all the way around. >> yes. >> we have got to handle it
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>> laura: thanks for staying with us. i'm laura ingraham in for bill o'reilly. bringing you live coverage of the george zimmerman murder trial which is now in the hands of the jury. as we await their verdict, law enforcement officials in sanford, florida, are appealing for peace in the event zimmerman is acquitted. >> we encourage all residents that -- to live their lives normally. we will not tolerate who uses this verdict as an excuse to violate the law. >> laura: but just the discussion of possible violence has the liberal media upset. they are going bananas offer. this time magazine has a head lynn that's screaming preparing for riots after zimmerman verdict is racial fear mongering. well, is "time" magazine right? with me now for reaction is chris metzler, an associate
dean of georgetown, university. and senior fellow at demos which is a center left think tank. let's go to center left on this first, richard. i have got to say of all the things that "time" magazine and i didn't even know it was still publishing so i'm very happy to hear that. what time magazine has said in the past, this is one of the ones that takes the cake. isn't that the police's responsibility to make sure the community is safe? black? white? latino, businesses are already secure? what's wrong with this? >> i read that piece, laura and frankly was quite patronizing. it's is that same mentality that views black people and black men specifically as a menace that got us in this situation in the first place. trayvon martin is a menace. part of the undertone of this and the media. and in this trial he he had it coming to him. so the patronizing tone of it is watch out, everybody, you better behave yourself. it was completely patronizing. and i think that's what people are responding against.
>> laura: well, chris, my take on this is, look, if something happens and the police hadn't appealed for calm, i guess that means jesse jackson is racist which he tweets that everybody should not -- you shouldn't celebrate and you shouldn't riot. why did jackson tweet that. >> is he racist. and the black ministers in that area calling for calm are racist as well. this is a ridiculous statement. and this notion that this is somehow fear mongering is even worse. it makes no sense. law enforcement exists to enforce the law. and what we heard was they said they will not tolerate violence from anyone. they didn't say we won't tolerate violence from black people. so, this is really ridiculous. >> laura: richard, the obama administration itself, when this case first came to the public's attention, trayvon martin was shot and killed, they sent down justice department peace keepers from the crs, the community relations service inside our justice department to be present at the big rally
for trayvon. the million hoody march they were calling it, to be there just to be monitors and to see what was going -- badges, no guns, they had badges and they were standing there blue wind breakers. they were clearly wanting to be there and be present to make sure everything was okay. i mean, do you think that that is patronizing? >> i just want to say who cares what jesse jackson tweets? jezy jackson has no elected office. he is not a police authority. this is something different when the law of police authority stands up and makes -- whether i agree there shouldn't be any violence. what jesse jackson and i say doesn't have the same impact as what law enforcement says. and so, perhaps, sanford police may also want to say going forward, if we, god forbid, find ourselves in this situation, this is what we might do better, how about a statement about that. so, and by the way, having mediators during the concern that the million hoody march brought is not quite the same as law
enforcement. >> laura: why the heck do you need mediators? if everyone concerned is just going to be peaceful and i think they pretty much were peaceful at that event, why do they need mediators? why didn't the justice department, that is the government, richard, that is our government, they felt the need to get involved. >> because that was a phone. >> details but did he make the comment about if hay son that looked like travon, he didn't have to say that, he did. >> that was assisting assembly of people at the time. right now there is no existing assembly of people. there is simply a trial going on. that's the difference is that you had an existing assembly of people and there was concern. but now we simply have a trial. and so by the way i want to emphasize not that we are calling for violence. we are talking about how the police is using its authority again. that's my only concern. >> police is using the authority to do what the police are supposed to do. which is to it take actions that are preemptive to protect the entire community. this notion that somehow by doing that they are racist or they are making racist
statements defies logic. >> i said it was patronizing. i never used the word exactly racist. >> patronizing too defined. >> as a menace is this mentality that codifies the type of vigilante justice that would chase down a kid, even though you are told not to. >> laura: now you are the jury. >> yes. >> critical race theory? >> this is not a critical race theory. no it hasn't come back. >> laura: there are facts. >> where trial. what i'm talking about -- i'm talking about the statements that you are asking about that the police made. >> laura: i have got to wrap, guys. i appreciate it both of you. it's complicated and a lot of tensions here. next on the rundown, behind closed doors when the jury resumes deliberations tomorrow, what is likely to happen? we will have expert insight in just moments.
. >> laura: back now president factor's live coverage of the george zimmerman murder trial as the country awaits a verdict from sanford, florida. the jury was formally charged by the judge this afternoon to consider the charges of second-degree murder and main slaughter in the death of trayvon martin. the six women of the jury ended day one of deliberations a few hours ago without a verdict. joining us now in-to-analyze what those deliberations might be like our two expert jury consultants alan and he works in chicago and joe ellen demeet tris who is in phoenix. it's great to see both of you everywhere. demetrius -- allen, let's start with you here. we think about the fact that this jury is all women. you think that is a critical factor. why? >> well, critical factor, i think one of the things has to do with aggression and the pursuit of someone. i think women might be a
little tougher on george zimmerman for not following the pole police dispatcher's order to cease and desist. men just have a higher level of this flight or -- fight or flight and so i think that might really help the prosecution when they're valuating the evidence. i think that other factors are going to be more important. i don't think it's just gender that is going to define the verdict. men could be sympathetic. men can be interested in protection. men did care about somebody. just as much. so, i don't think gender is really going to have a huge impact on it. it's things that co-with gender and the attitude and experiences of these jurors that is going to matter. >> laura: joe ellen, the theory of hot foreman might be or forewoman in this case a the love people are trying to guess. we have general descriptions of who these jurors are some of their background, characteristic, their hobbies, a couple of them like to help rescue animals as a hobby. what's your theory here on hot foreman might be? >> my theory is ba that based on the fact that two of these women have attorneys and their family,
one son is an attorney. the other spouse is an attorney. we know that at the beginning of this jury deliberation process what happened was they asked for all of the exhibits, a listing of all of the exhibits. to me, that indicates somebody who is going to analyze and take the time to go through that. and what better person than somebody who is married or has a son who is an attorney and knows that whole process. >> laura: the details, alan of these jurors. one of the jurors has -- used to have a conceal carry permit and her husband currently has a conceal carry permit. now, that doesn't tell you everything, but that's that is just another interesting fact about who these people are, their background, which might inform how they look at these facts of whether this guy was just a wanna be cop who was ready to shoot somebody up. >> absolutely. one of the jurors has an 11 and 13-year-old. she specifically used this
case as an example for why you shouldn't go out at night. clearly she has some heightened generalized fear about going out at night because of things that can happen, such as what happened with trayvon martin and george zimmerman. now, which person she is more at fault, she faults more, that's to be seen. we don't know that but she comes in with that, so she might have some heightened credibility during deliberations. another juror is a security officer. safety officer. >> laura: exactly. one they tried to strike who had been the victim of nonviolent crime. the prosecution was unsuccessful in striking her. we don't know how obviously whether that is going to have any effect. joe ellen, let's go into the deliberations now. i mean, we can't predict what's happening. they asked for an inventory of the exhibits today. and they came out out of the courtroom and the judge -- they ultimately gave them inventory. that was kind of surprising. why didn't they have an inventory of the exhibits in a case this important? >> you are absolutely right. the judge should have given that to them. and clearly that shows a
thoughtful process that this jury is beginning with. you know, there has been a lot of predictions about how long this jury is going to take. but, one thing that i would like to point out is that this jury has been sequestered for 15 days. and, they are in a state of animated suspension, if you will. they don't get to read newspapers unless they look like this. >> that's how i read parents. >> articles. >> cut out the biased coverage. >> that's how my paper looked. >> "new york times," big -- that's how my producers hand it to me. that's perfect. so they don't get on information. they want to get to the bottom of it. alan, any take? what's your gut telling you? >> certainly the manslaughter instruction and charge is going to help the prosecution. these jurors are going to go through the instructions, finally they
get to talk and that's going to really help out a possible compromise verdict. >> laura: alan and joe ellen good to see you both. when we come right back, the prosecution evokdz martin luther king and then martin luther king and then de could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. yep, everybody knows that. well, did you know some owls aren't that wise?
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a colorful personality because she referred to me that doesn't see her story. her statement is inaccurate. >> this case is not about race. it's about right and wrong. it's that simple. >> joining me now from florida fox news host geraldo rivera. geraldo, i can't wait to talk about this, you know we started this whole saga last year of course when this case came to the national spotlight. and race was for better or worse at the center of all of it in the beginning. where are we now? in that discussion? >> well, i still, laura think that it is a race case. i think both the victim and the alleged perpetrator, the killer george zimmerman profiled each other there is no doubt bit. you showed racial testimony
there. you know by quoting trayvon martin calling zimmerman a white cracker, clearly i think zimmerman looked in this case and said another one of these f-in punches they get away with it. i think they both racially profiled each other. it won't have been an arrest here but for the intervention of civil right activists so i think it's impossible to ignore. look at the way the country divided in this case. most black people you speak to, this isn't the reality. it's the opposite of the o.j. simpson case. most of the white people you speak to believe george zimmerman was justifiable in committing the homicide. most black people you speak to believe trayvon martin was
victimized cruelly. >> what does the hispanic community believe? if zimmerman is half hispanic. some people calling him white hispanic. i don't -- is that a term? >> i think myself, i am kind of a light brown hispanic. >> yes. you're cool geraldo. that saul you are. >> very not seen a great reaction from the latino community. parents of very concerned about their children. particularly their sons when they go out at night wh. i was a store front lawyer, it was clear to me that most of the parents of my clients believed their children were more in fear of and at risk from law enforcement than they were crooks. i think that is still a reality and much of the inner city george zimmerman in this case playing the role of a wannabe cop but there has not
been in hispanic community the passion i do in the black community. >> also, when you think about this is george zimmerman the case they tried to make in the closing is that it wasn't racial profiling it was the facts of what's happening in that neighborhood. the fact is that they had had multiple break ins. the descriptions of the victims i guess were they were young african american males. he didn't offer he was black when talking to the operator. remember? she asked him describe the aassailant, then, you that that is how he came up. closing it owl out with a martin luther king reference certainly took it back to race. >> i think first of all had this is a self-defense case f jury follows the law george zimmerman will be acquitted but also, just to say that this is not about race when
george zimmerman looked at trayvon martin he saw another perpetrator in his mind just like all of the others. >> that is true. thanks for watching us tonight. remember the spin stops right here. remember, the spin stops right here. glnk. >> sean: this is a fox news alert. we are on verdict watch in the zimmerman smured trial. the jury began deliberations 2:00 p.m. eastern standard time today and they recessed 6:00 p.m. after three and a half hours. they will resume deliberations tomorrow at 9:00 in the morning. welcome to this live studio audience edition of hannity. just a moment, he we will bring in our distinguished group of attorneys, law enforcement experts, political pundits for complete analysis of the trial. but earlier today the defense team presented closing arguments reiterating what they believe the evidence points to, and that is that george zimmerman shot trayvon martin in self-defense after being viciously attacked. so, we eagerly await the verdict. let me bring in this great studio