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state of florida versus george zimmerman verdict we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. so say we all, foreperson. >> geraldo: george zimmerman dramatically but not unexpectedly found not guilty. not innocent. he wasn't found innocent. he was found not guilty. not guilt in i am sure when the jurors finally speak and they have told us they are not in the mood to speak tonight will tell us i think that they believe that george zimmerman was responsible obviously for the death of this unarmed youngster but did not commit is a crime. how did this case come to the
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place that it came? how did it occupy everyone from the white house to the governor's office. rick scott's office here in florida to the appointment of the special prosecutor. how did it become and ben crump the family attorney's words the civil rights case of the 21st century. in my friend and colleague phil keating has been tracking it throughout. so tell us, brother, how did it -- describe this evolution from tragedy to political extravaganza? >> really started very slowly and then a crescendo in the month of march of 2012. first a 17-year-old black kid is shot and killed doing nothing wronging about through the neighborhood according to pair rens. the dad asking police why have you not arrested him, you know who it is, it is george zimmerman. the sanford police said they didn't have enough evidence and probable cause. that is when they got ben crump
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the civil rights attorney up in tallahassee galvanized everybody and then get the girlfriend who says on the phone there was a guy that said what are you doing around here and then they hear the recording of what zimmerman told the police. this guy looks suspicious. he looks like he is up to no good which raise the the spectrum why does he say that because he is black wearing a hoodie walking through the neighborhood. and galvanized civil rights leaders demanding an arrest that led to million man marchs. the million man hoodie march in new york city. and finally 44 days after the governor basically replaces the state attorney that won't file charges with the special prosecutor out of jacksonville finally april 11 last year the secondary murder charge is filed. 16 months later or 15 months after the charges now we have a verdict and this in from tonight the family sybrina
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fulton announcing she is heartbroken and it is her darkest hour and leaning on her lord jesus christ. the father tracy martin saying he is heartbroken and ben crump the attorney that deserves all of the attention for escalating the attention on this case to get george zimmerman arrested and get a trial underway says all of the evidence was there to convict george zimmerman and the family is heartbroken that the killer of their son is not going to be held accountable. disappointment on behalf of the trayvon martin's family and supporters and you saw the smiles from george zimmerman's family. >> geraldo: no high fiving or grotesque signs of congratulatory back slapping. >> subdued. and respectful on both sides.
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thank god. >> and acknowledging the death is a tragedy. >> geraldo: a fine local attorney who has been our guide through many of these situations. what is the bar, what did the local legal community here in florida think about the charges when lodged against george zimmerman? >> geraldo, i think the local community felt exact lie like you felt all along. ultimately they felt it was a stretch to charge with second-degree murder and thought it was a stretch to even charge for ask for manslaughter but it is required if it is requested by either party. that particular charge. but i think we all knew that was going to be the verdict all along. just with the problem is here is we only have one side of the story. we don't have enough evidence. even in george zimmerman did exactly what he was accused of there was reasonable doubt and that is why the verdict had to be what it was. >> geraldo: what about the fact that, you know, judge jeanine and i have spoken about this, the fact that the special
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prosecutor aair rently was extremely reluctant and slow as molasses to yield discovery to the defense. it makes me think, david and i don't want to accuse the special prosecutor of being unyou ethical but i think it deserves investigation. we we didn't turn over the pictures. remember, ladies and gentlemen, the images of trayvon martha dominated the media in the opening weeks and months of the days. practically saw him riding a pony. an image of him that physically speaking had no relationship to the young man who confronted george zimmerman or was confronted by george zimmerman that night. the fact that she didn't show or give the defense in a timely fashion the pictures of trayvon holding a gun and smoking marijuana, the jewelry on the bed and so forth. and then finally an it guy had to give it to the defense, a whistle blower and he got fired
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yesterday. he probably got the firing letter today. smacks of political manipulation does it not? >> certainly seems that way. however, you would like to think that somebody in a position of seeking justice. a head prosecutor, a state attorney would not intentionally withhold information. >> geraldo: i know we would like to think that. come on, judge. >> i'm coming over. >> however, i can't tell you how many times i have been involved this a case where something shows up on the last day as we are preparing to pick a jury and all of a sudden there it is. it absolutely warrants an investigation. but you would like to have a little bit of faith in the system. so i don't want to make that leap that it is -- that that is exactly what happened that it was withheld intentionally but we have to find out. >> i will make the leap. >> geraldo: me, too. we are leaping. new york here. we are making the leap for sure. >> the additional problem is the fact that we didn't see the
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pictures of zimmerman with all of the blood on his head until after that as well. >> geraldo: arthur aidala one of our guests in the new york studio. not totally unexpected. dramatic verdict. do you think this case ever should have been brought? >> i think you you know, geraldo what i was going to say i didn't know that was the question you were going to ask. if i had the platform you did, geraldo, i would have eck keyed everything you said. i have been watching you all night and i think you hit the nail on the head with every aspect of this whole case. however, the one part i'ming did to shift a little bit and judge jeanine is going to get mad at me. although what she said to juan about the role of a prosecutor idealistically is correct but that is not reality, geraldo. every day in the city there are cases that are brought that a prosecutor will tell me, will tell me, you know, mr. aidala sometimes a jury just has to make the final decision and i
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will give you the best example in new york city and i'm dating myself a little bit with the howard beach says where the white kids chase the black kids on to the belt parkway and one was hit by a car and the local prosecutor in queens did not prosecute. the local police did not prosecute. it was the attorney general of the state of new york and governor who assigned joe heinz the special prosecutor and he did get a conviction. so it does happen. >> that is the point. >> and here the jury didn't take five minutes to aquite him. it took them 16 hours. there were issues of facts that needed to be addressed when a 17-year-old unarmed boy, i don't care if he was purple and everyone else was purple, somebody needed to d an investigation. is it was done. a jury heard it and i do think justice was served. >> geraldo: do you know who does the investigation? hold it. do you know who does the investigation. the grand jury. >> you're right and they indict
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him. >> geraldo: and if the grand jury finds there is a probable cause that you commit the this crime you get in site. >> i don't think there was a grand jury here. >> geraldo: you don't have a politician deciding it was murder. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i agree. i agree. >> she avoided the grand jury because she never could have gotten an indictment for murder. >> i agree. >> geraldo: let me take a break. a final panel coming up and i want to speak to people on both sides of this case. i'm so proud of this community and so proud of people throughout this country white or black or in between or latino or whatever you are for respecting the process. respecting the verdict. if you are disappointed you are disappointed. if you are, you know, happy with it then you are happy with it but there is nothing untoward at least as far as i know throughout the country. there may be isolated incidents but thank god is has not come to -- entire talk shows were done over there is going to be
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rioting and that is b.s. people responded with tremendous respect. affection for the family but, you know, nothing illegal. we'll be back after this.
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as mr. guy told the jury yesterday to the living we owe respect, to the dead we owe the truth. have been respectful to the living. we have done our best to assure due process to all involved and we believe that we brought out the truth on behalf of trayvon martin. >> geraldo: angela corey the special prosecutor who has many, many questions to answer. former federal prosecutor
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elise wiehl is with us. did you bring a case based on political pressure. >> i'm answering you before you ever finish the question. absolutely not, geraldo. if i had ever done that i would go clean houses, do something else. that is just 101 prosecution 101. you only bring the cases where you have the evidence and facts to bring it up. there were cases where i thought i had a bad guy but i didn't have enough evidence to bring the cases. those were the hard cases. never, never would i bring a case like this and none of my colleagues would have in the u.s. attorney's office bring a case based on political motivation. absolutely not. it's people's lives we are talking about here. >> geraldo: take the next step. do you, of course, you are mortem perked in your presentation facts and opinions perhaps than i tend to be. but now do you believe based on the facts and circumstances of this case, lis, that that special prosecutor angela corey
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responded or reacted or performed her duties as an officer of the court or perform her dudeties as a politician 12346789. >> the latter a politician. clear from the beginning of the prosecution's case. the first prosecutor would not take it. declined the case. you have the bizarre thing where the prosecution put on their case with detectives that didn't want to be there. who already said we don't want to charge zimmerman. it almost looked like a defense case from the beginning. if you roll it back and say the first prosecutor didn't want it. this new prosecutor had to come in and she was tasked, she was tasked with bringing that charge. whatever charge it would be. she had to bring something. otherwise her job would not have been done. that is the wrong place to put a prosecutor and a stronger prosecutor frankly would have said no. >> geraldo: is junk frerire on the panel in front of a camera right now?
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judge, hi. >> hi, geraldo. >> geraldo: welcome. thank you for your patience tonight. i heard you briefly in the previous hour with harris but i have not fully heard you explain your opinion or describe our opinion your reaction to the -- so zimmerman being found not guilty. >> it as painful case because as you said you have the death of a 17-year-old boy and that should hurt everybody. that being saided we are here talking about the legal issues. the legal system is to be used for what it is designed. not used for what it is designed today and that is why ion.re having this frick i don't mean today, i know in this case. judge jeanine knows and lis knows and you know, beranek, there are many cases where the prosecution would love to prosecute somebody but they know they don't have enough evidence. many times cases where somebody shoots somebody else. sometimes it is white, not black, black, not white. in those cases they don't have
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enough evidence and the prosecution has a meeting with the family and says i'm sorry we cannot prove the case. no eyewitnesses and we don't have anything to rebut it and that is the right call. the system is designed to prosecute the cases that they can prove. in this case clearly that was the original call. and by the way, when the police show up on a scene like this the public doesn't know as police officers like i was you can only arrest somebody when you have probable cause and if you there are and there are no eyewitnesses and the person claiming self-defense and the other side of the story is dead if you arrest that person you subject yourself and the entire police department to a big civil lawsuit because you don't have probable cause for the arrest. the same exact thing happened in miami. a black male who shot three white male friends of his to death. when the police showed up he said self-defense they were attacking me. the police did not arrest them on the spot because they had nothing to rebut it. they investigated and months and months later they picked his story apart and went back
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and arrested him at that time. that is the proper procedure. not based on race. it is based on police procedure. in this case as we discussed. >> geraldo: not based on race and not based on politics. >> exactly. >> geraldo: and yet rod wheeler the famed former d.c. cop, the police chief here, the original police chief lost his job because he refused to prosecute this case initially. rod wheeler, what is your comment in retrospect to what went down here? >> i have been following this case, geraldo since the beginning. you and i actually talked about this case a year ago and i was one of the first ones that said that the prosecutor should not continue on with the case as a murder. this should have clearly been a manslaughter charge if you are going to charge zimmerman with anything. i'm he very disappointed with the outcome of the case. why i do think zimmerman should have been held some responsibility for causing the death of trayvon and he put himself in that position and
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used self-defense. we have o respect our justice system. i think our country is divided and i'm hoping that trayvon's death, geraldo, is not in vain and we can all come together maybe even under the name of trayvon and try to work on race relations because right now in this country our race relations are being challenged. >> geraldo: they certainly are. i want everyone to note again how proud i am with the response of everybody, you know, regardless of color or political affiliation to this dramatic verdict it has been met with calm, either disappointment or approval but there has been nothing untoward as far as we know. the chief, come on inion chief. the new chief of sanford, florida joins us. he will be with me right after this short break. thanks.
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george zimmerman was never guilty of anything except protecting himself in self-detention. i'm glad that the jury saw it that way and i hope that everyone who thinks particularly those who doubted george's reasons and doubted his background now understand as the jury knew everything that they he knew was enough for them to find h him not guilty. >> geraldo: mark op.mara the triumphant defense attorney. he was a humble person throughout. he wasn't filled with bragadosio. everybody understanding this a tragedy. just ironically by o coincidene naacp is holding its national
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conference in nearby orlando, florida. the president of the naacp issued this statement. in the most challenging of times we are called to act. there is work left to be done to achieve justice for trayvon. the department of justice can still address the violation of the right to life and we are urging them to do so. this is cecil smith, the chief of the sanford, florida police department. a man who has done a magnificent job in keeping the peace and keeping the community together. i congratulate you on that. do you you have an opinion on whether or not the feds should get involved and go after george zimmerman at the federal level for violating the civil rights of trayvon martin? >> i think right now we need to have a cooling off period. >> geraldo: i'm in. i'm in. >> so everybody has a chance to catch their breath about all of this. a very long journey the past 18 months and very long and very
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tiring on everyone in the community. with regards to that that is a decision that the parents and their attorney needs to make. >> geraldo: more to the point the decision that the united states justice department and attorney general eric holder and i guess indirectly his boss the president of the united states have to make. you know, an argument can be made that the civil rights of the young man were violated maybe that was a more appropriate venue for arguing anyway but smacks in a putrid way of double jeopardy. how did you manage to keep the community together? >> part of that is just getting out and talking to people. i have been on-the-job for about a hundred days. you can't solve a problem unless you talk about where the problem is. get into the community and talking to the community and try to feel what the community is actually feeling. that is what the police department has been attempting to do for the past 100 days. >> geraldo: and your response to how people reacted?
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you spoke to many people out there. i had the pleasure of interfacing with your officers all day today. what were they saying? the people who were disappointed what were they saying? the. >> well, you know, it is a feeling of justice. some folks in town feel and i guess across our nation feels there is justice that needs to still be served and the thing that has just taken place is that the court system has run its course and we have allowed the evidence to be put before a jury. a jury made a decision and the community in many ways isn't happy with the decision that was put forth by the jury. the thing we need to look at now is that portion right now is done. we have to make sure that starting tomorrow we start looking at how do we create a better sanford. how do we create a better way to communicate with each other. how do we create a better country. this didn't just affect the people in sanford and in central florida. it affected people around the
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nation and around the world. >> chief cecil smith. great job. thank you very much for coming with us tonight and sharing you thoughts. we appreciate it. ♪ [ villain ] well mr. baldwin... it appears our journey has come to a delightful end. then i better use the capital one purchase eraser to redeem my venture miles for this trip. purchase eraser? it's the easy way to erase any recent travel expense. i just pick a charge, like my flight with a few taps, it's taken care of. impressive baldwin. does it work for hotels? absolutely thank goodness. mrs. villain and i are planning our... you scare me. and i like it. let's go what's in your wallet?
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the george zimmerman verdict. >> this is something no one gets over. there is no winners here. there is no monsters here. that is the tragedy. >> don west one of the victorious defense team and he is right there are no winners here. remember this jury, six ladies. six women. six local women. five of them white. one hispanic. what must they have thought of this spectacle. of course, they were sequestered but it was impossible, frankly, folks, let's face it for them not to know the eyes of the nation and the world were on sanford, florida, on that courthouse behind me and that they were playing a central role in a
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historic event this trial i think will be looked back on. susan constantine a well known jury consultant joins me now and i want to give you a head's up folks, i will be asking the panel and panelists please get ready about the request by the naacp for a federal investigation and a civil rights perhaps civil rights federal indictment of george zimmerman and that i think will be part of the news cycle tomorrow. i will get to that. susan constantine. the six ladies. first of all, how do you think it played? we haven't heard from them. they don't want to speak right now. give us your impression of their note taking and scrupulous attention and all of the rest. >> throughout the entire trial they took notes all the time. i was here during the kayey anthony trial where some of the jurors laid back and never took a note. this entire jury through the entire trial took copious
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notes. then i noticed that towards the end there was that juror fatigue and kind of laid back and sense there was a decision in their mind that they were thinking that you know i know what i'm thinking now and what my vote is going to be. >> geraldo: what do you make of the by star request for more information about manslaughter and the judge asked them about more specificity and as far as i know they never reasked the question. what is that about? >> they wanted to have clarification. one jury in particular continually asked questions during voir dire. may have been a holdout juror. they wanted clarity about it because they wanted to find out does it fit. is it manslaughter or is it acquittal because we knew it wasn't second degree. >> geraldo: not only they rejected murder two and if a jury, ladies and gentlemen, this is why i'm so annoyed at the special prosecutor.
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everyone from the jurors to any one with any kind of legal education but even the jurors with no legal education rejected murder in the second-degree almost immediately. it was clear that george zimmerman, whatever you think, you can hate george zimmerman if you want and think of him as a monster if you want, although he don west said there is no monsters here. but to think he acted out of hate or ill will or a deprived mind to profile racially and inflict this punishment on this 17-year-old, please, ladies and gentlemen, that is simply not the case. before i go to our legal panel and ask them, you know, for their feelings about what the united states justice department is going to do, now craig has another family there, craig and tell us their response. late for those youngsters to be up. >> i'm with melinda o'neill from deltona florida.
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a special circumstance as you know many white people supported the trayvon martin family and they were looking for justice. tell me why you come here. >> i have three mixed children enviously. touched close to home to me. i look at my children and think this could have easily been one of them walking from the store. >> how do you feel now about the verdict and how do you think the future of your children will go as a result of this? >> as far as the verdict i was astonished at first in disbelief. when i realized it was real. i was saddened deeply. hurt. just distraught. >> there was shock and dismay and then there were bursts of anger. do you tear that there is going to be anger or -- fear that there is going to be anger or outbursts of anger here? >> i personally will not be angry. i serve a higher power and this is god. other people, i do, i think
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people will be angry about this. maybe not tonight but tomorrow morning when people weak up and really realize what happened i don't think people will be too happy about it in what are you going to tell your children how they act and respond to people who might be questioning them and questionable circumstances? >> as always, i will tell my children first if someone is respecting you, you respect them. but if someone is doing what george zimmerman did to trayvon martin i would tell them to do the same thing that trayvon martin did and that is to to stand their ground and defend themselves. >> pray to god that that doesn't happen. >> thank you. >> geraldo. >> geraldo: mom, i urge you, you have to be more practical than that. can't tell those children to risk so much. it is a cruel world out there. why not tell them to avoid the confrontation and turn around and walk the other way. >> i personally believe george zimmerman fully came up on him and really pursued him.
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what can they do if someone is pursuing them i don't know. if they have a chance to run they should definitely take that route. >> geraldo: i remember how many arguments i had with my son, your nephew, get the hoodie off, you look like a thug and they will treat you like a thug. it happens in so many families, white, black and brown across the country. thank you, ma'am, and craig also thanks. what about this federal, mercedes cohen a very experienced attorney and familiar face on fox news is among our panel. mercedes let me read you what the naacp has said. i know i'm not alone in my anger out rage and heartbreak over this decision what teenagers life is taken in cold blood, thog seems right in the world but we cannot let these emotions alone rule in the most challenging of times we are called on to act. work left to be done to achieve justice for trayvon.
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the department of justice can still address the violation of the right to life and we are urging them to do so. what about a federal investigation of george zimmerman, mercedes komen? >> the biggest challenge is going to be where is the bias. there have been cases that have been exonerated at the state level and federal charges brought but where is the bias. there has to be a bias component here and we all said this is not a racial case. although outside the courtroom there is a lot of racial anymous. but under d.o.j. they are look at this and say where is the the racial animosity needed to bring the bias grounds. there was a crown heights case where lem rick nelson had been acquitted of the state charges and federal charges were brought against nelson in he was convicted. ultimately it was because it
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was a racially motivated crime when killed the orthodox white jew that killed this other young kid. obviously completely by mistake but had actually stabbed the white individual. that why the federal charges were brought. ultraplaintiffly he was convicted of it. here we don't have any evidence of that. because certainly you don't -- >> geraldo: i want to get to the rest of the panel on the issue. i must take a break. but arthur aidala stand by i'm coming your way and lis wiehl. on whether the department of justice is going to take up the mantle of this case and prosecute george zimmerman for violating the civil rights of the
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a 17-year-old boy was killed and i think all america has to dig deep in their heart to try to find out how we as a society can learn from this tragedy and how we can make sure that it is not repeated. >> geraldo: benjamin crump, a wonderful man. an honorable man. a terrific attorney. guy who tried his best, worked
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h his heart out for the the martin family. a sincere person. i hold him in very, very high regard and i victim restitution disappointment.is the hand writing was on the wall from a mile away in this case. i would not have stuck my knife out and said george zimmerman would be acquitted for so long vociferously. is self-defense was so applicable here. i cannot imagine that any prosecutor it not read and know that george stillerman was not going to be convicted of murder in the second-degree. >> the notion of a federal rap. lis, you first. what about the justice department. do you believe that the federal department of justice should get involved here with a civil rights case against scorch
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zimmerman? >> i don't think so. one is called a 1983 action. you have to show acting under the color of law zimmerman was somehow dep pughtyizeed. that is not true. he was not deputized by the state of florida. that wouldn't work. the second reason would be a hate crime. that the only reason that martin died was a hate that zimmerman had towards blacks. that evidence is so weak. might it go in front of a grand jury which is what this prosecutor should have ton in the first place. maybe. i think i would save the grand jury some time and not even bring it. >> geraldo: you can treat me at geraldo rivera if i get some before the end of the program. what do you think of bringing federal charges in the case. now he. are angry. save the obscenities. we are not interested in that. if you have a meaningful opinion i will read them. arthur aidala, do you think there should be the department of justice getting involved
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here? >> no. i will echo your sentiments about ben crump. he is an advocate for the family. he was retired to be an advocate for the family. it could be said that he formed he created the momentum to bring this case. he created the political momentum. he cree heiated the media momentum and that is what he was retained to do for a mother and father that lost their 17-year-old. but if the feds get involved here, geraldo, i will shave your mustache because that is just not happening. >> geraldo: okay. i like that. i like that, it is a bold preediction there. i appreciate that. judge ferierie what to you think? >> i agree. rodney king was is acting under cover of law and that is why the feds were able to go after them. by the way, let's not forget that he is the one who is going
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to o be bringing actions now. he has a good action against a major network that altered the phone call to make it sound like he was saying that the suspicious thing about trayvon martin was that he was black. they edited out completely the fact that he said the suspicious thing was he was walking. the dispatcher said is he white black or hispanic and they made it sound like he said what is suspicious about him, he is black. once that dye was cast there was no changing it. that and probably a malicious prosecution claim against the state attorney's office. i think the investigation that they will pursue now for the brady violations, the manner which was interviewed which is contrary to any police method and the way tapes were played for the family members showed that the motivation here in my mind was to apiece the family and lawyer of the family to calm people down so there wouldn't be racial riots. the city prevailed on that
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because they avoided riots back then and now things cooler. did themselves a favor who at the expense of george zimmerman. we have seen him gain 100-pounds, had his life at risk for life possibly a life sentence and now is a marked man because the charges against him have the state attorney's office that should never have been brought. >> geraldo: never brought. i absolutely agree judge. thank you very much. stand by, folks. right after this, your tweets and much more on this federal in, federal out, after this. 8s ñá@@"d @
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state of florida versus george zimmerman. verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty.
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so say we all, foreperson. >> geraldo: not exactly a huge response from the defendant in the case. but he certainly must be breathing a huge sigh of relief. i guess you have read al sharpton's statement he will be brewing up trouble soon writes jo ann m. cory hid the ball. the poor it whistle blower lost his job. corruptin the special prosecutor's office. tom wilkins people are not found innocent because they are innocent until proven guilty. goes on and on. you know, just plenty of people suggesting that they don't want the federal government to get involved in. but rodded wheeler, former dc homicide cop and ted williams former cop and 25 years an attorney. let me get your take on it. ted, you first.
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what do you think the federal government should do? >> i think clearly geraldo they should look at a civil rights lawsuit at least checking it out. i remember when they had the rodney king case but let's be candid here. the jury has spoken and i can tell you one of the things and i sat in that courtroom when professor carter the black jag officer testified before the predominantly white jury and professor carter was brought in, remember, by the prosecution and professor carter was the one who in fact said without any uncertainty that hey, he had taught him stand your ground but then the defense got ahold of professor carter and professor carter said this and is resonated with the jury i believe. he said you didn't have to have any injury whatsoever to invoke self-defense if you believe that you were in imminent immediate or bodily harm that that could happen you didn't have to go there. and i think the jurors relied on that. >> geraldo: what do you think rod wheeler about the feds and
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justice department and eric holder? what do you think the possibility is? >> you have been knowing me for many, many years. i think the justice department definitely should take a look at the case. probably by way of going down through a grand jury. let me say this because i think this is important and i heard a lot of mycopanellists speak about how race was not involved in this. look at it from the perspective of an african american. mike vick was convicted of killing a dog and did three years in jail. a guy named zimmerman who can shoot an african american child and he walks free. try to victim restitution fund stand that. he did not kill and put a bull let in trayvon because he is baptist. so figure out any other reason why did he it. >> geraldo: he did it, first of
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all, why did the encounter start? didn't the encounter start because there had been a series of break-ins in and robberies in the community. that is why he was the neighborhood watch captain. the neighbors, white, black and brown appreciated george zimmerman's activity in keeping them safe. wasn't trayvon martin a strange in the community. didn't he look and the 7-elev venice surveillance video. i'm so sorry this happened. upset for the parents now and they go home and get no justice. sometimes awful things happened to nice people. it happened here. the cautionary tale shouldn't we if we want to remediate what happened here. first of all, have to say there is no winners here but also have to tell our children to avoid these kind of confrontations whenever you possibly can. you know, this is a crazy world. people are responding in a crazy world. >> rod, one last statement and
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then ted gets one. >> geraldo, we cannot profile just like your own son told you, dad. you cannot profile. >> geraldo: he did. he did. >> he told you that just because trayvon was wearing a hoodie. your son wears a hoodie. nobody should profile a person, geraldo, including your son because of what they are wearing or because of what they look hike. >> geraldo. >> geraldo: ted. >> i couldn't disagrow with you more. trayvon martin had every right to be where he was at that time. it was raining and he had a right. right. >> geraldo: there is right and practical sense. >> what uncommon sense was he operating under at that time. >> you see a guy saying kid what are you doing here and want to turn around and confront them? >> if you follow somebody in the dark and see the silhouette there is going to be fear if you. you got one of two choices. take off you running or confront them.
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trayvon martin confronted the person. >> i got you. and i appreciate that. and ladies and gentlemen, you see the sincerity of the emotion here and you see the, you know, these
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when some people struggle with their mortgage payments,
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they become frozen, but the people who take action, are far more likely to get the most positive outcome. call this free government program for the option that's right for you. side or the other? >> i would like to keep my bar license for a couple more years. and second part of the question? >> second part of the question was, what do you tell people this has become, people have watched around the country and have dug in on either side of this, what do you tell people given the tension that could follow this verdict? >> you know, that has been such a challenge for me. obviously while i have tried a number of cases over the last 33 years or so, a number of them with very high stakes. death penalty cases. nothing of course like this with the media attention. nothing that had the case tried over and over and over again in the media. nothing where the media was

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