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focused on seeing george acquitted. >> it's hard to question law that senselessly expect the concept of self-defense in our neighborhoods. >> greta: this is a special edition of on the record. shoblg waves from sanford. george zimmerman a lightning rod case, when zimmerman fatally shot trayvon martin. >> breaking news tonight, one man dead, another in a jail cell after a shooting in sanford. they say they were called out to a home in the circle. >> acres in are stim still shocked. they say it's most bizarre thing for neighborhood. it's such a quiet neighborhood and they say the gunman was a member of their neighborhood watch. >> he was going to the store. >> i don't know why, i don't
know. >> we understand that the local f.b.i. office has been in contact with the local authorities. >> protestors and marches continue across the country. in washington, chicago and st. louis. >> we love our children like you love yours! >> a day after the sanford police chief stepped down the city manager assigned two cops to run the department for now. >> our standby at police department and investigation that was conducted in the trayvon martin case and this matter is overshadowing things. >> every parent in america should be able to understand
why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this. my main message is to the parents of trayvon martin. if i had a son he would look like trayvon. >> a dramatic day involving one of the most controversial police investigations in our nation. the neighborhood watch captain george zimmerman is now in custody. he faces a second-degree murder charge. >> today we filed an information charging george zimmerman in the second degree. >> we wanted nothing more and nothing less. we wanted an arrest. we got it. >> i think he is troubled by the fact that the state decided to charge him. he is concerned about getting a fair trial. >> we are learning new information about the night trayvon martin was killed. a medical report revealing that george zimmerman suffered several injuries in the alleged scuffle that drove him to shoot the unarmed teen. >> there is reports of
fracture on his nose, two black eyes and lacerations to o the back of his head and bruises but he was not diagnosed with a concussion. >> is there anything you regret? do you get regret getting out of the car that night? >> no, sir. >> do you regret you have a gun that night? >> no, sir. >> do you feel you wouldn't be here for the interviewer if you didn't have that gun? >> no, sir. >> walking in that courtroom and opening statements in the second-degree murder trial are about to begin. >> george zimmerman did not shoot trayvon martin because he had to. she shot him for the worst of all reasons, because he wanted to. >> trayvon martin armed himself with a concrete sidewalk. he used it to smash george zimmerman's head. >> so when you were talking
with mr. trump in this recorded interview for the first time ever being asked to tell the story about what you knew, you were in a hurry and among the things that you chose not to say was that before the phone cut off you heard trayvon martin say, get off, get off. >> trayvon martin was on top? >> correct. >> he was the one that was raining blows down on george zimmerman? >> that is what it looked like. >> do you think there is anything wrong following him where he was going? >> your son trayvon martin would not have done anything. >> i hope for this would never have happened. >> i can't say it. i want to go out there and see what is going on. there is screaming.
>> do you know whose voice that was screaming in the background? >> yes. >> whose voice? >> my son. >> who do you recognize that to be, ma'am? >> trayvon benjamin martin. >> who is that? >> my brother. there is no doubt in my mind that is george zimmerman. >> just consulting with counsel. >> this mannequin were carrying a firearm, where would be the gun be in relation to me? >> it would be at your left center thigh. >> would the injury consistent with someone doing this? >> i don't think so. >> why did the defendant get out of the car and he sensed trayvon martin? because he had a gun. he has an equalizer. he is going to take care of it. he is a wannabe cop.
>> and there was going to be a violent event. when he didn't go home when he had a chance to. >> i almost rich the verdict guilty, not guilty and completely innocent. very trayvon martin may not have the defendant's blood on his hands, but george zimmerman will forever have trayvon martin's blood on his hands. >> the verdict, we, the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. ♪ ♪ >> the jes justice department shares your concerns. i share your concerns. as we first acknowledged last spring, we have opened an investigation into this
matter. >> i think the prosecution of george zimmerman was disgraceful. as happy i am for george zimmerman, i'm thrilled this jury kept this from becoming a travesty. >> as the justice department said yes yed, they first acknowledged this the had an open investigation into trayvon martin's death and they are continuing to evaluate the evidence. >> zimmerman was not guilty of anything except for self-defense. >> he had a 17-year-old kid who was minding his own business wearing a hoodie and gets accosted, gets followed by an individual who wants to be a cop. >> the cases are brought on merits. the merits are evaluated by the professionals at the department of justice. president expects as in every case the process will be
handled in a way it should be at the department of justice and certainly not here. >> we are very, very saddened. we accept the jury's verdict in the case. >> the evidence didn't support prosecution and the justice department and president engaged in this and turned it into a political issue. >> greta: and investigating how this controversial case started. we went back to the scene to retrace the steps of zimmerman and martin. >> if you take a look at this 7-eleven, it's not unlike any other 7-eleven but this is where trayvon martin, dressed in the hoodie with the gunshot wound and the crime evidence photo. when he went into the 7-eleven and 6:24 made the purchase of iced tea and skittles. he went out and quarter of a mile down this direction to
the area where he eventually ran in to george zimmerman. this where it all begin. it's important to note at the time this purchase was made, 6:24 and very rainy night here in sanford, florida. >> you eyewitness testimony in a case like this one is critical. the decedent and defendant has given a reenactment of what happened. so we came out here tonight to fact check to see whether or not anyone who is in these apartments might have been able to see a little bit more or see a little less. >> you can see as we walk there is not a lot of light back here other than the occasional apartment cast some light out. when the lights aren't on here, i can tell you i can't identify someone five feet in front of me. it's that dark back here. at least now. i assume the lighting conditions back here are very
much similar to what they were at night on february 26th. this is the area right here to my right which is where the decedent's body was found and where george zimmerman said he was lying and his head was pounded against the cement is about here. this is the area right here. according george, george had walked, george was down to my left. he made a phone call to the police and he intended to go this direction and go towards the clubhouse which was down there. between the last seconds that george zimmerman, phone records show, last time he link up with police and 911 call was put by a citizen, a minute and 20 seconds, presumably something happened right about here. the jury has to decide who
was the aggressor, whether george was defending himself or not. that is the task we give the jury and prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and defense has to prove absolutely nothing. >> now the jury has spoken but questions still linger what happened on that dark night especially during four crucial minutes. ted williams injection us. >> my pleasure. >> greta: you and i went out to the scene. you were there with me and walked back there. in the four-minute period is the time that trayvon martin told rachel he was going to run and the time of the first 911 call. it's about a minute off and make it three minutes, someone has to go from hearing the fight to make the phone call to 911. is that time reference important and why? >> yeah. it is important. i can tell you greta, i've
been racking my mind about it. those are the four minutes where trayvon martin could have ran and gone home. i tried to put myself in the place of trayvon martin for those four minutes. all i can think of is that four minutes to us, as you remember mr. o'mara played in it courted and emphasized these four minutes. i have thought about it. trayvon, i wonder what was going through his head. remember, greta, it's dark. it's raining. a silhouette is following you. you are on the phone with jeantel. you do i want to bring this person home with me. why is this person following me. all of that was going on in this young child's mind. i would have to believe, and that is lifetime. four minutes. you know how dark it was back
there. i heard you -- you couldn't even see five feet in front of you when there was no silhouette lighting. what was going through his head. why didn't he run home. why didn't he run to safety. did he run towards zimmerman. did zimmerman run after him these are so many questions. >> greta: this is the important thing that jurors have to understand. what really did happen out there, no one could know but the prosecution had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that george zimmerman was the aggressor. with the four minute gap and opportunity to run home the jurors quite reasonably, i'm not sure if he was really scared or stayed to confront. but absent proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that is what the prosecution was dealing with and made it so difficult. it's the burden of proof of the case? >> it was the burden of
proof. you're right. i think unfortunately when you look at the evidence, when you look at this four minute per, there clearly in the minds of the jurors could have been reasonable doubt. so i couldn't agree with you more. to this moment, there is another question mark -- why did they go with second-degree murder when you outlook look at the totality of the circumstances, it's incredible. >> greta: thank you. straight ahead, what was george zimmerman thinking when he heard the jury deliver its verdict? robert zimmerman is here next. also you will hear, he was in the jury box. what evidence did he find most compelling. find out coming up. testimony and what did there is a pursuit we all share. a better life for your family, a better opportunity for your business,
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we're se >>. we are sending a message in society and communities that someone who is armed potentially has the right to use those firearms even if there is a way for them to exit from a situation. is that going to be contributing to the kind of peace and security and order that we would like to see? for those who resist this idea that we should think about something like the stand-your-ground laws, i ask people to consider, if trayvon martin was of age and armed could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? do we actually think that he would have been justified in
shooting mr. zimmerman who had followed him a car because he felt threatened? if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, it seems to me we want to examine those kinds of laws. >> greta: president obama speaking for the first time since the verdict. question is sand your ground laws contributes to peace and security. zimmerman was found not guilty but the outcome could have been different. so how did zimmerman prepare for the verdict. we asked his brother, robert zimmerman, jr. >> how is your brother? >> his entire life has changed. his life changed the moment those two words uttered, not guilty for him. it changed for all of us. we were waiting for that exoneration for a long time. >> greta: was your brother waiting for a verdict, murder two, manslaughter? >> i don't know, i really
can't speak to what he was thinking because it changes. he was the only person that was there every single day. he encountered every juror. every bit of testimony. we did not because we were excluded from the courtroom. george is a spirit you'll person and i'm sure he made amends with whatever he had to. i know he feels innocent and feels well represented. >> greta: we working hard during the day and go back to office and prepare for the day. client goes home. we never have find to find out how the client is doing. are there moments of great sorrow? >> our parents were in the courtroom and my mom told me he did get emotional. he didn't get emotional right when the verdict was announced, but he did say he wanted to go home. mom, i want to go home and
was relieved and emotional. >> greta: what was the first thing he said to you after the verdict? >>ly tell you, i said in it spanish, it's the last thing i said to him, which means god bless you little brother. i think that is what he needed to hear. that is what i needed to say. >> greta: there is no secret this has racial overtone. you mentioned spanish. your brother is hispanic. what is your thoughts about it. pitting white against black and your family is hispanic? >> it's unfortunate that race has any role in this situation at all. i even think the prosecutor and her press conference, race did not have no role in this case whatsoever. as a family we were delivered
to keep our hispanic identity off the table. it became white versus black and we didn't think inject that into that. we're hispanic we can't be racist. only white people will be racist. so keeping our race was very deliberate and very wise. it is something that our mother insisted upon who is peruian. >> my little since called and my dad had been hospitalized. whether she told me that someone had died i thought it was one of them. it involves george which was kind of mysterious. what happened. she said he was involved in an altercation and he used his gun to defend himself. george is going to call you and fill you in himself. he wants to tell you the truth and every member of his family the truth from his own mouth.
he did call and basically explained what we all know to be the truth now. >> greta: he looked so unemotional. i don't know your brother. he looks so unemotional? >> he was innocent. >> greta: i know, but someone accused me of something, i get mad. >> that is how george is. we are brothers but we are different in our personalities. i'm more animated. he is very steady as you go. very responsible. very warmhearted. i think that anybody in that situation has to be very careful how they express themselves in front of people who are going to decide your fate. >> greta: coming up, b-44 telling his experience as juror. >> and they didn't give george zimmerman ears gun back. the latest straight ahead.
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records when they were talking. >> rachel is the friend that trayvon martin was talking to right before the shooting? >> correct. the witnesses that heard the noises, they helped me fill the gap. and the eyewitnesses and i think the one thing that stands out the most is the injuries to mr. zimmerman. >> what did you this i of neighbor john good's testimony? >> i got from that was just emotions he saw. whether it was, it was just the motion and fact who he saw on top and who he thought was on the bottom. those were more relevant features. >> did you think rachel was