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how special is the tower of power. did you enjoy yourself up there? >> i had a blast. even though it's early, i just had a blast. >> more on the after the show show. >> despite repeated claims the agency does not spy on americans, the report shows it does precisely that. not once, and not twice, but thousands of times a year. we're working to this story on a friday morning. welcome to "america's newsroom." martha: big one. bill: shocker. are you surprised? i'm thoroughly stunned. martha: you wonder what the next shoe to drop is. i'm martha maccallum. the nsa reportedly intercepted calls from americans on american soil. many times they say it was by accident. sometimes an area code was a mix-up between egypt and
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washington, d.c. but either way, when these mistakes were made, although we've been told that the government tried to be as transparent as possible, nobody was told that those mistakes were made and the information that we got in this report from the "washington post" last night comes from edward snowden, the man who leaked the initial information about the nsa program and now has temporary asylum in russia. bill: funny how that works, huh? senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler is on vacation with the president at martha's vineyard. actually wendell's working. the president is on vacation. what's the white house saying about this, wendell? >> reporter: the white house appears to have been blindsided by this sorry. officials are referring reporters to the national security agency and to senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein who says in a written statement, quote, we can and should do more to independently verify that nsa's operations are appropriate and its reports of compliance incidents are accurate. now the president has contended while there is reasonable debate
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over whether the nsa should have broad authority to intercept calls coming in and out of the country, there's no indication it is actually abusing that authority. >> if you look at the report, even the disclosures that mr. snowden has put forward, all the stories that have been written what you're not reading about is the government abusing these programs or inappropriately listening to phone calls or reading people's e-mails. what you're hearing about the prospect these could be abused. >> reporter: this latest report would seem to question that, bill. bill: also domestic phone calls, were they intercepted as well, wendell? >> reporter: that appears to have been the result of a mistake but it is going to make some lawmakers very angry. the audit indicates someone mistakenly put in the area code 202, instead of the
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international code for egypt which is 20. 202 is the washington, d.c. area code. these warrants are supposed to be approved bit fisa court but a "washington post" reporter told our greta van susteren last night the court can not always check the government mistakes or government claims. this is based on a 2012 audit which wasn't distributed to everyone who needed to see it including senator feinstein. bill. bill: thank you, wendell goler. there is gambling at ricks, by the way, martha, at martha's vineyard. martha: surprising information from bill hemmer. what kind of information is the government getting exactly through these mistakes? well the broader information is all classified as metadata which is basically the data about your phone calls, the numbers that go back and forth but not who is calling whom. the nsa is able to collect phone numbers much people involved and cereal number about phones involved in the call and if they
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need to they can go back to dig deep near the phone call numbers if they need to. they can tell the length of time of the conversation and potentially the location of the participants during that phone call. web searches and who you email are also collected but not the content of those emails and according to edward snowden, he says all of that collection is happening all day, every day. bill: also the you wonder where the data is being stored. apparently at a massive facility in the state of utah. can store all the phone data gathered by nsa, including everyone's entire internet history. the 2 billion-dollars heavily fortified center has been unand running for than a year ago. it is five times the size of the u.s. capitol building. it expected to store a yata byte of data. this is one separate till i don't know byte, no one coin ad term for the next higher
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magnitude. they will soon. where is the outrage over the nsa program? tweet us @billhemmer and at martha maccallum. tell what you think today. tucker carlson, bob beckel, they're on deck with their take right here. martha: we want to get to this which is obviously another huge story today, egypt on the brink bracing for even more violence as thousands of muslim brotherhood supporters pour into the streets, defying a military ordered state of emergency. within the past few minutes we're hearing that there are tear gas cans being fired in the streets to try to disperse some of these crowds. the muslim brotherhood called for quote, a day of rage on this friday. more than 600 people are reported to have been killed in the fighting between armed security forces and protesters who want to put mohammed morsi back into the presidency. leland vittert is following every step along the way. what is going on, leland in cairo right now?
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>> reporter: martha, not only tear gas round but live ammunition. we have live pictures we want to get to coming out of cairo. ramses square is in northwest cairo. that is where the muslim brotherhood called for all their folks to converge. noon prayers end ad couple of hours ago. there are house thousands of people in the streets streaming here to form a new protest camp. we've seen in the video very clearly muslim brotherhood gunmen, often times they have fired back with ak-47s. who they're firing at, why they're firing we don't know. it certainly disputes the muslim brotherhood claim that their protests are quote, unquote, peaceful. they say they will remain in the streets and continuing to defy the army until mohammed morsi, who was the democratically-elected president up until seven weeks ago, is returned to office. so far it appears the military is allowing marchs to happen. there are tanks and armored personnel carriers all over cairo and today once again the
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interior ministry says its police and its army is equipped with live ammunition in addition to the tear gas and it is willing to fire to shoot to kill if fired upon. martha? martha: leland, they have proven already they will do that and we saw them break up these two other sit-in areas. now if the muslim brotherhood supporters are planning to basically launch another huge sit-in like this, it feels inevitable that there will be the same kind of clash, does it not? >> reporter: absolutely. it is very difficult to figure out a way that today doesn't end with a lot more people dead in the streets of cairo. already in one of the outlying cities there in egypt where we've also seen protests, although hard to get video and information in, there are at least four people already dead today. we don't know if that was storming a government building or attacking a police check point, that kind of thing. the army there has been very defiant towards the united states. president obama yesterday came out very strongly condemning the
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army, very much upset how things had gone down in cairo. the army says, that simply 'em boldens violent terrorists. and the president's remarks, were quote, not based on facts. they have already deployed, tanks, armored personnel carriers and made it clear they will not tolerate this kind of violence in the streets especially if you see the video coming back with gunmen firing out. many crowds are chanting out, our blood, our soul, we defend islam. not we defend egypt. this is setting up versus a muslim brotherhood versus army war on streets. martha: looks like a civil war. we hope that doesn't happen. we'll watch it as well during the next couple hours. thanks, leland. arizona senator john mccain believes the white house hasn't help matters with the statement they made yesterday. mccain was asked if the decision to cancel joint military exercises with egypt was adequate and here was his response. >> a long time ago we should
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have complied with our law which we were asking the egyptians to comply with that rule of law. we violated our own rule of law by not calling it for what it is because our law clearly states if it's a military coup, then aid is cut off. so, initially we undercut our own values. that's a blow to credibility. martha: we have that conundrum between the continue ages of military aid and what, what house has been calling a coup a takeover by the military. john mccain also believes that secretary of state john kerry did not help when he said egyptian generals are restoring democracy. senator mccain just returned from a trip to egypt. he believes that the world's largest arab country needs to move for word with a new election. coming up we'll have more on the u.s. response to all this. whether the policy out of the white house is helping or hurting at this point. hard to tell but we'll lay out facts for you. bill: nine minutes past the hour.
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what a move back to a story out of california. kidnapped teenager hannah anderson making her first public appearance since her rescue, arriving unexpectedly at a california fund-raiser for her family. she did knot speak but her dad had this to say. >> i have talked directly with the horsemen and that went very well given -- our love and gratitude. it was a wonderful thing. it was a chance encounter. but it did save my daughter's life. other than that, hannah sends her love. she is doing good day by day. we'll keep moving forward from here. bill: also the money from the fund-raiser will help cover funeral expenses for her mother and brother, both allegedly killed by family friend james dimaggio at their house before hannah was taken to the idaho wilderness. martha: meantime, three months after a deadly tornado ripped their school right out of the ground, students from the plaza towers elementary school in
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oklahoma are starting their first day of school. look at those pictures from before and after that horrific tornado. that is the rubble where the school once stood. seven students were among the 24 people who were killed. you remember these scenes of people trapped under the walls and incredible rescues we witnessed of children being carried out of that school. most of the children will be attending classes in temporary buildings until the new school is built but a lost memories are going to come back for those people. certainly so many heroes in that story. a miracle more children were not lost. bill: when you have that type of experience at that age, it sticks with you for a lifetime. our best to them. we're just getting rolling here on a friday morning. our top story, can americans trust the government's claim that all the spying is for the greater good? a closer look after this bombshell this morning. >> congress giving itself a pass when it comes to the president's new health care law. if the law is good, why do members of congress need a
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martha: a beach in hawaii is back open for business right now after a horrific shark attack there. it happened near waileu near maui. a german tourist was snorkeling 50 yards offshore when a shark bit her right harm arm. she was taken to a nearby hospital in critical condition. investigators are trying to
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determine what kind of shark was involved in that attack. bill: there are growing questions about a of obamacare congress is getting after subsidies were granted for lawmakers and their staff members. my next guest has a lot of questions too. republican senator david vitter out of louisiana. >> good morning, good to be with you. bill: and you as well. we've been on the story for two weeks. what is your take on it? >> sadly this is what america hates most about washington. washington passes law and exempts itself. this is the same thing all over again. you know obamacare is broken. it's a big problem. great, washington fixes it for washington. wait a minute, what about fixing it for america and in meantime, treating washington, every member of congress all staff, president, vice president, all of their appointees exactly as same as middle america? bill: that is a great question. you written letters to the president and pelosi and reid and boehner and mcconnell.
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>> right. bill: part of your letter says this on screen for the viewers this is just one sentence. >> sure. bill: this bailout was pulled out of thin air under intense and sadly bipartisan political pressure. you're a republican. are you saying democrats and republicans were on board with the subsidy cut? >> some of them, absolutely. there was intense lobbying behind the scenes, bill, and sadly i guaranty you it was bipartisan. there were plenty of establishment republicans pushing for this bailout essentially, this special exemption for congress. bill: what can you do? can you change it? >> what i can do is demand we legislatively repeal it. that is exactly what i'm going to do. i will fight for a vote and get a vote when we go back into session after labor day. bill, i can't guaranty what the results of that vote will be. bill: we're going to watch it but you wonder, if the law was so good in the first place, why do members about congress who debated it, who voted on it, who
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passed the legislation, why do you need a subsidy in the first place? >> exactly and it underscores all of the problems that have been happening with obamacare. as one of my colleagues said, obamacare in its implementation is a train wreck. what is interesting about that quote, it is not from a fellow conservative, from max baucus the democratic chair of the finance committee that helped draft and pass obamacare. bill: back to the point. people in congress are worried about a brain drain. if the law was so good and so sufficient, why would you people be running away for it. >> for america and small business, let's fix all of that, not just take care of washington. bill: here is another point from your letter. you talk about congress treating itself like a higher select ruling class. is that what you see? >> that's what i see here and unfortunately that's what we see all too off then. this is a recurring theme. back in 1994 in the contract with america, one the first
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planks was that every law and rule passed by congress should apply to congress as much as in the same way as it applies to middle america. let's get back to that fundamental rule. bill: right but the reason why people need subsidies is because they will be spending how many more dollars in order to maintain the same level of insurance that they had now under obamacare? >> correct. and that's a much more widespread problem than congress. that's a problem for america that we need to fix for america. bill: will you get the votes to fight back on this? >> i don't know. it is going to be tough but i think it is important to get a vote so every member of the senate and hopefully there will be a vote in the house, every member of the house gets to stand either with washington or with the american people. bill: but once it is exposed, you have to think people will come to their senses. it just looks bad. this is unbelievable! >> that's why getting the vote is so important.
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bill: sir, thank you for your time today. >> thanks, bill. bill: david vittert out of louisiana today. when you folks come back to washington in sent we'll be watching this, okay. >> great. bill: we'll see if you stick to your word as well. >> absolutely. bill: david individual -- vitter, thank you for your time. martha: meantime today rnc is about to vote whether the republican party will be cutting two major networks out of the 2016 debates over upcoming movies and documentaries about hillary clinton. take you there live to see you who i decide on that. plus, another widow is fighting for benefits for the victims of the 19 elite firefighters who died battling a massive arizona wildfire. why they say their city should not discriminate against 13 of these families. we'll be right back. the postal service is critical to our economy. delivering mail, medicine and packages,
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♪ bill: yes they do. i can't remember the last time i went without coffee this morning. martha: we don't do that around here. bill: no we do not. new debate about coffee. people under 55 who drink a lot of coffee have higher risk of death. martha: uh-oh. bill: people with less than three cups a day are okay. anything over that may endanger your health. the reasons for the higher risk is not clear. other studies found coffee has health benefits and study is published online in the mayo clinic proceedings medical journal out of minnesota. martha: everything in moderation. that is what my grandfather said. he lived to be 97 years old. have a couple of cups of coffee a day and you're good. what number is that. how many have you had. bill: just one. you don't know what is in it. martha: but it is very large and
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has seven shots of expresso in it. republican national committee has wrapping up the three-day summer session in boston today. party leaders are hashing out what they will do in refocusing their message and outreach efforts. they say they're moving in a more forward thinking direction in 2016. here is some of that. >> the reality we're not trying to do what would have won in 2012. we'll trying to do what will win in 2016. democrats are out there figuring out what to target next. this time it might not be african-american women over 45. it might be a different thing. martha: very interesting. poll lie line in boston. molly, there is a big vote being taken today. tell us about that. >> reporter: absolutely. this is something worth watching because it could have impact on debates in the future in run up to 2016. the rnc weighing in on this big vote as to whether or not they will ban cnn and nbc, essentially refuse to partner with them this upcoming debates
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and run-up to 2016 and primary debates, nor would sanction any primary debates because of planned documentaries about hillary clinton. according to rnc communications director sean spicer, they simply don't want news organizations tipping the scales in the upcoming election. take a listen. >> it is about time the republican party started taking control of the debate process. we need to create a system that puts the party, the best interests of our candidates at stake. >> reporter: and that vote is expected to take place this morning. martha? martha: well, republicans had a lot to think over after the last election. they tried to cover a lot of ground in the past few days. have they? >> reporter: absolutely. that is essentially what this is. this is a big business meeting. the representatives, the committee men and women from all over the country come here to cover all the details and trying to really reach out, expand their ground game, particularly among young people all across the country and minority communities across the country.
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part of that is about technology. bettering their communications online, everything from facebook to other technological outreach. so they really covered a lot of ground here and they're hoping that the representatives from all over the country take this information home, to their parties and their local states and implement it. we will see if that cause as turn around, the turn around that they're hoping for with republican parties all across the nation. martha. martha: it is all about the ground game in politics these days and technology certainly plays a huge role in that. molly, very interesting. bill: before one of the votes in november one of the campaigns said we need to do a lot better among single mothers in central ohio. i said, what? you can nail it down that much? that is so impressive. that's what is going on in politics today. martha: republicans want to talk to you. all right. bill: back to pictures of the chaos in egypt. the muslim brotherhood is calling for a day of rage. president obama condeming the
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violence just before another round of golf in martha's vineyard. we ask the question, what can the u.s. do? does a picture like this send the wrong message? we'll debate that in a moment, martha. martha: we got an update for the state trooper who got into a lot of trouble for leaking photo of the accused boston bomber, because he was angry about the "rolling stone" cover. he was upset that people need to know the real story that night in boston. guess what he is doing now, this state trooper when we come back ! ! ching! i like the fact that there's lots of different tastes going on. mmmm! breakfast i'm very impressed. this is a great cereal! honey bunches of oats. i hear you crunching.
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bill: cool day, in honor of launch fox sports one, network ringing opening bell at the nasdaq. welcome to the family. regis philbin, bill raferty, gus johnson. the new flags sports network premiers tomorrow on saturday, august 11th. check it out. it will be big. it will be big, folks. martha: very exciting competition in the sports world, fox sports 1. this story that we're following obviously very closely today for you. thousands of muslim brotherhood supporters are now marching on downtown cairo. we understand they're building barricades along the side of the streets to protect themselves from the other side. it is called a day of rage they have called for in response to the bloody military crackdown we've witnessed the past few days. meanwhile here at home some critics have something to say about the president's response on all of this to the violence in egypt, after he weighed in on the chaos from his summer rental
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home. watch this. >> the united states strongly condemns the steps that have been taken by egypt's interim government and security forces. we deplore violence against civilians. we support universal rights essential to human dig pit in -- dignity, including the right to peaceful protest. martha: bob beckel is a former democratic campaign manager and co-host of "the five." maya miller senior vice president of the winston group. welcome to both of you. good to have you here this morning, both of you. bob, the discussion was, we were asking ourselves when that played, because we got audio investigation of it first from martha's vineyard and later on we got the video version. by the time we got the video version, we later learned the president played a round of golf. everybody knows the president is on vacation. the question is, is that a smart way to present the president in terms of how he is is handling this crisis while he is on
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vacation? >> well, no, better choice would be to go have him go knit. are we kidding each other? these are, the guy's on vacation. he will play golf. what is he going to do about egypt beyond the statement he made? perfectly legitimate. he gets more heat for golf than i used to get for mywhich were . but you know, i think give him a break. martha: myra, give him a break? >> i think this issue points out sort of two problems for the president. the first as you point out, martha, is visual. this situation has exploded at a time when the president's on vacation in martha's vineyard. optically that is not good moment for him but more importantly from the substance side, we talked about this on the program before, there is a lack of a cohesive foreign policy doctrine from this administration and that is one of the complaints from congressional leaders. what they're trying to get some clarity on exactly what sort of outcomes and objectives he is trying to achieve in the region.
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martha: bob, i know you think it is silly to discuss this golf thing and i understand where you're coming from on that because i agree with you, the president, every president needs a break and i think the american people completely accept that. what i'm talking about though is the perception and sometimes perceptions are important in terms of how seriously something is being taken. so might it not have been wise to say, you know, today the, of course he is on vacation but he is going to spend some time in the office, in the house that they are spending the week in. he be talking to chuck hagel and be talking to john kerry and maybe present pictures of him doing that. then the american people get the impression which i assume is the case we assume, he is being briefed on this rather than what happened yesterday? does it send the wrong signal? >> i suppose if you had to choreograph it, it may have been better he had hagel come up and other people come up and he does a meeting, that sort of thing. i don't think the american people begrudge the president
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doing what he wants to do on vacation, and understand there is very little he can do. that is the problem here. this is egypt. this is the center of the muslim community. and it is a complicated and difficult situation. so, i just, i think i understand what you're saying about the visuals but i don't think you can choreograph these things down to a t. martha: has to do with the sort of seriousness which you take something. we all remember that president bush stopped playing golf during the war with iraq. he said he did later. he didn't say that at the time. you know i did that out of respect to the families. i think that's a powerful signal in terms of leadership and in terms of seriousness. myra, is this a non-issue or does this really matter in terms of the choices the president makes and the message that he sends about how significant an event that is on the world stage is to him? >> well, i believe this is truly a governing moment, not just a
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political moment, a governing moment for the president that could play a large role in defining his presidency. to bob's point practically there are limited options what the administration can do, most of it centering around foreign aid with the question should we withdraw aid or not? you have some in congress rage ranging from pat leahy to rand paul, withdraw aid immediately. that is only leverage we have in the region and if we draw it we risk destablizing it further. the larger question for the administration how can we maximize leverage we do have in the region whether through aid or not. to me that is a bigger question. martha: absolutely is. that is underlying issue. we'll talk about quite a bit over the course of this show today and further on. before i let you go, bob, i just want to ask you a quick question about this nsa issue because i know it will come up tonight on "the five." what do you think about the new revelations more than 2,000 mick taste being
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called right now, collecting wrong data, some of it domestic? >> a continuing chapter in my view an down constitutional situation with the nsa they ought to get out of our way and out of our telephone records. if that person pose as threat to the united states. i don't pose a threat. i don't think you pose a threat. so stay away from our phones. martha: all right, bob, we'll look forward to a little more on that later. tucker carlson will talk about with us in a few moments from now. maya, bob, thank you. bill: become kel was always a threat. come oning robert. martha: we track every move he makes. bill: we'll talk about this controversy. is this a whole different ballgame now with the nsa breaking its own rules? knot hundreds but thousands of times snooping into your own life. tucker carlson is on deck coming up. [ male announcer ] running out of steam?
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martha: well, there are new charges of government unfairness and inequality over survivor benefits for the families of the 19 hotshot firefighters who lost their lives in that horrific arizona wildfire a couple months ago. the widow of one of the men wrote a letter to governor jan brewer asking the city of prescott reverse its decision and give all the families of these lost men the benefits they feel they deserve. the husband of one of these women was hired as a seasonal employee. that means he gets less money than those who were permanent workers even though he worked 40 days a week. the woman points out the wildfire makes no distinction and so the government should not either. >> they're on the fire line. they're toe-to-toe. they're shoulder to shoulder.
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the permanent employees are not at the fire line and the seasonal employees are not 20 feet back or 20 yards back. for them to be receiving the different treatment afterwards, it's completely wrong. and like i said, we obviously now see that this tragedy has brought up this deficiency. so there needs to be somebody, it needs to be fixed. martha: makes an interesting point. i meant 40 hours a week there. city of prescott said it is illegal to give full-time benefits to families of part-time workers. they say it would cost taxpayers $50 million. bill: really feel for those families. want to get back to our top story, questions about trust in your government. nsa finds that the agency has broken privacy rules thousands of times every year, going back to 2008. "washington post" says many involved improper surveillance of americans or foreigners on u.s. soil. critics say something must be
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done now. >> the fact is, is that's just a reflex of a sloppy attitude that i think flows from a culture that starts in the president's office. look this whole process that this administration has let get to this point really does have to be reviewed. i recognize a need for a lawful and efficient nsa operation. i think it's critical to the national security but i do understand that there are bounds under which they are required to not to cross, limits that they are required not to cross and they can't cross those under the law and they shouldn't cross them. bill: a number about interesting points there. tucker carlson will try to match that, editor of "the daily caller" and co-host of "fox & friends" weekend. good morning to you. your day is not just done yet. what sununu said was lawful and efficient nsa operation. >> right. bill: what do you think of this? >> well, i don't think anybody is calling for the elimination of the nsa.
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it is of course useful to have an agency that keeps tracks communications of foreigners. should the question be nsa to spy on americans. they are not allowed. they said a few mistake were made. turns out this report leaked by the way, this is not delivered to us by the administration shows over 2700 times in a single year last year did they break the rules and spy on americans. presumably most were inadvertent but it doesn't matter. they cloaked this from the public and by the way over to congress. they're supposed to turn this stuff over to congress. they didn't. this is got to by "the washington post" which was leaked the documents. bill: i don't think is clear from the article what they did with the information or even what they were looking for in gathering this information. what was the incentive here? >> most federal agencies have some sort of internal, watchdog apparatus, ombudsman, equivalent in journalism to see if they're doing their jobs correctly but
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the idea, that the nsa kept this information from congress whose role it is to provide oversight what the nsa does and does wrong is pretty shocking. there are a lot of republicans maybe most republicans on hill are fundamentally support i have obama surveillance programs. i don't think this helps at all. bill: your point about keeping america safe is well-founded and the point is a knew into is makeing. >> right. bill: the mistrust, man, this is a cloudy area. we're not sure what happens next. add to that this fisa court, this group of 11 judges in washington that have to grant the subpoenas to go ahead and get the information in the first place. the judge said, we don't know when the government breaks the law. we have no way of finding out. >> that's exactly right. bill: after they give and after they grant permission what happens then? >> look -- bill: that would suggest there is no oversight. >> a certain level of secrecy is imperative of course, because if that information leaks to potential terrorists it helps
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them. on the other hand too much secrecy allows government to misbehave without any oversight. that is what is happening. people that receive subpoenas from the fisa court to turn over documents for your cell phone records or google searches are not allowed to reveal in public that they received those subpoenas. nsa, if, it catalogs its mistakes but doesn't tell anybody is there any oversight? no, there's not. bill: i think for many folks on the right watching this irs story, hey, wait a minute what are you doing with my information? if it is 2013 what will you do with the information in 2023 or 2033? >> that is a fair question. a lot of conservatives give benefit of the doubt to administration because we fate a threat of international islamic extremism and that is the bat well we've been confronting all these years. i think this undermines support from conservatives. bill: edward snowden gave it to the post. quoting now, one. documents agency personnel were
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instructed to remove details and substitute more generic language in reports to the justice department and office of director of national intelligence. that, my friend, smells like something is being covered up. >> it is scary, you could have a massive, well-funded federal agency spying on americans and hiding that fact? this is thing liberals used to be upset about. they're not now because they do whatever obama tells them but 30 years ago they would have been jumping up and down over this. bill: story is out today. are you in here this weekend. >> yes i am. bill: we'll be there bright and early. martha, what's next. martha: we'll be home but he will be here. we'll be watching. look forward to that over the weekend. the muslim brotherhood is calling for egypt to become a muslim state. they're in the middle of what they call a day of rage in the streets. we're watching this very closely. new questions whether it is a civil war that is beginning to develop on the streets in egypt. will either side be able to ever claim a victory here.
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bill: this is nasty stuff in cairo. plus it has been the center of conspiracy theories for decades. the government is spilling its secrets of area 51. will alien enthusiasts finally get answers they have been searching for and telling us about for decades? [ female announcer ] it balances you... it fills you with energy... and it gives you what you are looking for to live a more natural life. in a convennt two bar pack. this is nature valley. nature at its most delicious.
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bill: so your government now lifting the lid on the mystery that has consumed ufo enthusiasts. for the first time it is acknowledging the existence of area 51. check it out. the cia releasing a trove of
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previously classified documents including a map here revealing a secret military base tucked away in the nevada desert, 65 miles from vegas. the government says it developed area 51 back in the 1950s to house cold war era u-2 spyplanes. don't get too excited. no mention of little green men or alien spaceships or ufos. at least not yet. that was not granted in this report. martha: no? bill: we can hope though. martha: all right, well, it has been more than 15 years since john any versace was gunned down by andrew ckanan outside his palm beach home. it can be all yours if you want to pay for it. live from miami beach, phil this, is famous and infamous address. how much is it going for? >> reporter: the bids start at $25 million. it is expected to go much higher. a strict confidentiality
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agreement is in place for the per executive buyers. london paper, victoria and david beckham may be one of the high rollers interested in these famous gaetz and their own south beach palace. the password is, i've got money. loads of it. $25 million is the starting bid for next month's public auction of the gam rouse and historic versace mansion in south beach. >> this property is one of the most iconic properties worldwide. it is real estate's "mona lisa." >> reporter: art is everywhere. this is johnny versace bedroom with king-sized bed and opulent alcoves. he designed i had it the 10 bedroom house for him and his famous friends like elton john and madonna. this is her home which features the only bathtub. you have a sense of seclusion and pool party potential? come on.
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54 feet long. a thousand imported mosaic tiles including 24-carat gold inlay. outside, non-stop tourists taking photos. the mansion is also infamous, where serial killer andrew canan shot and killed versace on his front steps. >> with people with high egos and a lot of money, the sky is the limit. >> reporter: up top you also come with your own private observatory. now to get into the auction you've got to first put in equity $3 million. then prove you've got capital of a minimum of $40 million. that is just to play the auction which is sent 17th right here, martha. martha: i think you ought to consider it, phil. you look booed in the white out u outfit by the pool. you look like you fit in there at the versace mansion, my friend. >> reporter: it was made for me. martha: it was made for you. not all over the top which is one of the best parts. is the mansion in foreclosure,
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phil? >> reporter: no, it is in federal bankruptcy proceedings right now to prevent foreclosure but if the successful auction goes forward, and prices could be as high as $100 million. this was one listed for $125 million. martha: would you. >> reporter: all of those issues will be gone within 30 days. martha: phil, thank you. bill: he is after all robin leech. martha: life-styles of the rich and famous. bill: new suggestions that the president will go around congress to enact his controversial climate change agenda. what he intends to do and how that will fly with lawmakers or not. martha: buildings shaking from a powerful earthquake. look at the video. we'll tell you where that happened next. [sirens] right now, 7 years of music is being streamed.
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streets. thousands pour out of mosques tolling the friday be prayers as we start this brand new hour of "america's newsroom." bill: eight protesters killed in clashes today, that number expected to grow, in fact, some news reports suggest it has grown at the moment. all this razeeing the specter -- raising the specter of civil war. martha: big questions when you look at all of this. former ambassador to the u.n., john bolton, saying this bloody confrontation is just what the muslim brotherhood wants. >> the brotherhood wants this confrontation because in its twisted view of life, having a couple hundred martyrs increases their appeal. martha: walid phares joins me now, good to have you here. i wish we were looking at a better story here. is john bolton right is. >> yes, he is right, but let me say one thing about civil war in
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egypt, at this point in time it is a civil unrest. in fact, technically, it's a jihadist insurgency. why? in a civil war, you have a divided army, a divided people, and those who are surging have control over areas. so what we have in egypt today is the army did not divide, you have tighters who aren't among the brotherhood. the people, actually, the maximum the brotherhood were able to gather -- and that's huge already -- one million. but the other side, 33 million. and thirdly, the brotherhood are not controlling a zone. the only zone they had, they lost. so they are, as the ambassador said, trying to push for a civil war or a confrontation so that they are legitimate internationally. martha: what did you think about what the president had to say about yesterday? you know, he said we can't take sides as the united states of america, but he did seem to condemn the actions of military. >> well, he did take sides, there's no doubt about it.
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80% of egyptian press, all those except the brotherhood, consider that the obama administration has a partnership with the brotherhood, heeneing they actually coordinate -- meaning they actually coordinate their political move. of course, the president wants the international opinion think that the united states is in between, but basically by canceling those exercises, by putting pressure on the cabinet, on the government to include the muslim brotherhood is actually telling the muslim brotherhood that they're -- that you're going to be back to power and not wait for the elections. martha: chanting in the streets against the coptic christians there who they believe support the military in this breakdown and also, basically, that they're chanting that they want an islamic state, that they want egypt to convert to a completely islamic state. is that true? >> look, by comparative analysis, if we recall what happened in germany and in italy in the '30s when the national socialists came to power and they were trying to blame
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somebody for all the problems of germany, who did they blame? the jews. now, who the muslim brotherhood are blaming, the christian cops. it is really sad that most of our media did not report well on what was happening over the past 48 hours outside cairo. 38 churches and cathedrals have been burned down. this is huge. be. martha: it is huge. i'm reading reports of people going in and sweeping up in the chapel of the virgin mary and shaking their heads. they can't believe what is happening because they've been able to live and to practice their faith, you know, under very difficult circumstances, but this is a very different story, right? >> it's absolutely a different story. and as you said earlier, the brother hood are trying to impose a taliban-like state, and majority of egyptians do not want to live under that state. that's the essence of the equation that in egypt today. martha: thank you very much. >> thank you. bill: meanwhile, we have the last footage shot by mick dean.
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mick was a photographer for our sister network, sky news. he was shot and killed in the first hours of the government's crackdown on the muslim brotherhood. [gunfire] bill: you can see the violence and destruction as egyptian security forces fire several shots and storm catches of morsi supporters. dean in the line of fire as protesters throw stones. at one point, anything they could grab. mick dean was one of three journalists killed on first day of the crackdown, dying of a bullet wound. hundreds of egyptians also died that same day. martha: so how did we get here on all of this? back on june the 29th, 22 l million egyptians signed a petition, 32 million out of -- 32 million out of how many people in egypt? 80 million? a petition called for morsi to ten down after -- to step down, and that upset a lot of people except for his hard core
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supporters in the muslim brotherhood. the next day, large scale demonstrations broke out. millions of people poured into the streets denouncing morsi's government which they claimed was not at all what they signed up for when they went to the voting booth. on july the 3 berd, the army detained morsi and moved him to an undisclosed location. monday into yesterday reports of at least 600 people losing their lives in the streets of cairo and other cities across egypt. close to 4,000 people hurt in this violent crackdown on the muslim brotherhood making it one of egypt's deadliest days ever. bill: back at home now, colorado's governor comforting shaken residents of a town devastated by some extreme weather there. the flash flooding and mudslides tearing through man due springs about a week ago x the governor saying the people here showed incredible resilience. >> the boulders the size of cars and whole houses moved off their
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foundations, you hear the stories of the devastation, but, you know, i mean, the other stories of the amount of how much more prepared this community was than a year ago, the fact that everybody came out the next day, you had four or five hundred people volunteering saturday and sunday, cleaning the streets, making sure that, you know, business withs could get open and no one was going to get pushed back. that's what defines colorado in the end. bill: the town suffered $2 million in damage. look at that. the governor declared a state of a disaster emergency, and he's seeking federal funding to help rebuild. they will likely get that based on the pictures and the video we've seen. martha: a long time to recover, as we've seen here with sandy and all of the devastation. a long time to recover. and take a look at utah and what they are going through right now. fire officials say calm winds are helping them to get the upper hand on this wildfire, but the hot and dry conditions make it too dangerous for hundreds of residents to return to their homes anytime soon.
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the inferno near the ski resort town of park city now 25% contained. fourteen houses have been lost this that area already. bill: so the head of the epa saying the obama administration will bypass congress on climate change legislation as it vows to take matters into its own hands. doug mckelway's on that story live out of washington. has there been much change on climate change, doug? >> reporter: you know, bill, the science is really interesting on this. it shows for unexplained reasons that global warming has basically stalled. there has been no warming for the past 15 years. carbon dioxide is increasing, but it's not producing the results that many activist climate scientists had predicted. yet just last week, and i should say this week, administrator mccarthy of the epa has announced her plan to circumvent congress and carry out the president's regulatory climate change agenda. >> he said that he wasn't going to wait for congress, but that
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he had administrative authorities, and it was time to start utilizing those more effectively, in a more concerted way. >> reporter: another hit this week in a suit brought by the landmark legal foundation against epa. a federal judge ruled against the agency, and high ranking officials, in their use of alias e-mail accounts. judge royce lambert wrote, quote now: >> r eporter: his ruling means that landmark can now seek discovery and depose, under oath, epa officials including former add mer jackson and present administrator mccarthy. and a third hit against the epa from members of congress, darrell issa wrote former administrator jackson last night demanding all her personal e-mails over the last four years quoting:
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>> r eporter: so a tough week for the epa, bill. bill: indeed it is, doug, thank you. we'll see what dose of that. thanks. martha: there's outrage today after a muslim group plans a massive demonstration, a million man march they want to pull off, on september 11th. they say that muslims are the ones that have been vilified since that day. critics, of course, disagree. >> and the last four years alone, sean, we have arrested on american soil 226 home grown terrorists, 186 of them are muslims. not buddhists, not jews, not christians. and he's talking about bigotry? what bigotry? martha: million muslim march. we will debate this fair and balanced, coming up. bill: also, hannah anderson, she's speaking publicly for the first time after answering hundreds of questions online in
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when the room starts to move. smart idea. kiwis were hit by a magnitude 6.5 quake, destroying homes and roadways. at least six aftershocks, 5.0 magnitude or stronger, that's a jolt. one after the other. it was just two years ago when christ church was leveled on the south island. this time hundreds of homes and businesses. a lot of cleanup but, thankfully, no serious injuries reported from this one. martha: big controversy right now after a muslim advocacy group plans to march on our nation's capital, and they'd like to do that on september 11th of this year, 12 years since the tragic attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people. the organizer of the so-called million muslim march says that muslims are actually the ones who have been repeatedly victimized since that day. here he is making his case with sean hannity last night. >> this is 2013, and if you look
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at the event, what we put there, exactly the day of 9/11, we muslims become victimized. and it's not us and them, it's we as american. martha: it was a are feisty exchange last night on hannity, and david webb joins me now, the host of the david webb radio show on sirius xm patriot, and leslie marshall is a syndicated radio talk show host. muslims have been victimized and villainized, he says, david, and they feel that that's the day they need to make their point, on 9/11. >> well, and, i mean, let's put this in perspective, martha. not all muslims are terrorists, but on 9/11 they were all radical muslims when you look at ansar al-sharia and all these groups around the world. even what's happening in egypt today, we do have a problem. so they're trying to send a message. and rabbi allam who, by the way, is a truther, this is someone
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who believes that no jews were killed on 9/11, what is his real intention in by the way, good luck getting a million people into washington, d.c. on any day for any group. right now they have very few on facebook. this is yet another attempt to draw us back into something where they're sending a message on 9/11, and you know what? i support their first amendment right, they have tear first amendment right to free speech. muslims are not persecuted in the u.s. they can practice their religion. here we don't burn mosques like they burn churches in egypt. we actually have freedoms. they just want to impose their version, and who needs more first amendment protections? it's the first amendment. it's here. martha: i agree with you. i would be shocked if they can pull this off, and my bet is that this is a, you know, a way to get a lot of anticipation for their group. but, leslie, it strikes me if they feel that they have been victimized and villainized because of what happened on
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9/11, then shouldn't they direct their anger and their rage at the people who put them in that position and separate themselves from those people and speak out as americans -- which he suggested he would like to do? shouldn't that be the focus? >> well, i think that's exactly what they're doing by having this, and although i wouldn't have selected that date myself, it certainly is to have attention and to draw that attention. i think a lot of americans do forget some of the incidences. arcadia, california, a man was shot who was a christian, a little girl who was missed by a bullet in a mosque in texas. these are all on september 12th. my own mother-in-law who is an ob/gyn who delivered children on a small florida town, on september 12th her home was vandalized and she was refused service at the local walmart and had to move, quite frankly, to retire. so i think that many of us because it wasn't a headline don't realize the persecution that many muslims in america
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felt. when you talk about them speaking out, i totally agree, but they have. the problem is a lot of the media have not covered it, to be quite honest. they say we'll stage a march or have some kind of a press conference, and people won't show up -- [inaudible conversations] martha: leslie, i understand and appreciate your comments completely, but when you look at the material on this group, they are, there are triewpters within this group. i don't know if this group is the group you want to make the statement that the people who have been treated in the way you're talking about want to represent them. david, go ahead. >> there are prominent muslims in america. i've worked with many of them for well over a decade now closely. they speak out. if you're, if a group of moderate muslims or what i call westernized muslims who want to live peacefully in our society come and out and speak, they get the coverage. the problem is they get vilified in their own community. so, you know, america can't -- the non-muslim world can't solve
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the muslim world's problems one and all. of they have to work within their community. this is an attempt like the ground zero mosque, it's all part of pushing an agenda, and these truthers are, well, they're false. they don't represent the larger group of muslims in the world. but we really have to realize that if only 10 percent of the muslims this the world are radicalizeed, and that's the argument often used, that's 1.6 billion people. 10% of that, largest standing army in the world. let's recognize the problem and deal with it, not have the silly arguments and, again, you know, good luck with the million people. they've got, what, five on facebook? maybe ten now? maybe 15 after this. martha: looks like an uphill climb. leslie, would you like to see a moderate muslim group come out and condemn this and say wrong day, this is a tragic, solemn day in american history, and if you want to make your point, this is not the day to do it? >> well, i wouldn't have a problem, you know, with people coming out and saying that.
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but i want to speak to david's point about the 10% versus 90%. and see, that's the problem. you know, i've lived in pakistan, i've lived in israel, i've traveled to jordan, egypt, and i think the united states does, many americans have a misconception that a the majority of the muslim world hates americans, which is not true, and that the majority are terrorists, and they're training their children every day how to kill americans which is completely untrue. what this man has said that i do agree with, it is we against them. it is not you against us. and many people in the muslim community do feel that way. the other thing is a lot of muslims i have spoken to are fearful to come out and say anything. they don't want to attract attention to themselves because they don't want people attacking their businesses, homes or families. they're very frightened, many of them, since nerve, and that's made -- since 9/11, and that's made them more chose-lipped about their -- close-lipped about their opinions.
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they feel anybody who does terrorize or murder is not a christian, because any religion -- the big three, christianity, judaism and -- >> martha, i've got to answer this because leslie makes a very wrong argument here. it's not a matter of what percentage is radical, it's the effect they can have. and when it comes to those who are being raised and trained from ages 8 and 10 up, this is a problem. and i don't want see christians burning mosques, christians running after muslims in this country. if they come out and speak, they're vilified by other muslims in large part. i'm not sure there aren't -- there are idiots out there in the world -- martha: gotta go. leslie, you had your say, and, david, you've had yours. thanks so much to both of you. good discussion. bill: new allegations of foul play against alex rodriguez. reports of a what -- of what his inner circle allegedly did to other players.
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martha: well, the uss intrepid turns 70 years old today. the aircraft carrier calls new york city's west side its home these days but, boy, what a history. it has an essex class aircraft carrier was commissioned on this day in 1943 to set sail in world war ii. look at these great pictures. she survived five separate kamikaze attacks and one torpedo strike.
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aviators shot down over 300 japanese aircraft and helped sink over 120 ships. but she had a life after world war ii doing three tours in the vietnam and acting as one of the primary recovery vehicles for nasa. intrepid officially retired on march, in march of 1973, and let me tell you, if you come to new york city, that is a stop you must make. it is a fabulous museum, and the kids will absolutely get so much out of it. it's a fantastic place. will: bigger than you think. right on, happy birthday. stand on that deck -- martha: wow. bill: big. all right, outrage over a young woman's dream dashed. a committee ruling that victoria cannot compete in the paraolympic championships despite being confined to a wheelchair since the age of 11. rick leventhal has a look at this. >> reporter: good morning. victoria says it's shocking and
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by. she almost died three times, she's been in a wheelchair for seven years but was ruled ineligible for the games because there's a slight chance she might one day walk again. she was in a coma for three years and paralyzed her from the waist down. eventually, this 18-year-old from new hampshire got back in the pool and began competitive swimming, and at last year's paraolympics in london she won a gold medal and silver medals in three other races. after her doctor said if she got years of physical therapy, she might be able to walk again, she was lapped. she spoke to fox and friends this morning. >> there's hope for pretty much everyone. and i'm a very hopeful person. if i didn't have hope, i wouldn't be here today. so there's, i mean, there's a chance for everyone with a lot of rehab and different technologies that are coming out for spinal cord injuries that, you know, there is hope. >> right. >> and, you know, i'm always looking for hope.
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basically, what happened is i was penalized for having hope. >> reporter: victoria isn't bit or angry, but it's really hard to understand how that's possible. bill: can she appeal? is it too late for that? >> reporter: the international paraolympic games started this past monday in montreal, and she didn't learn she couldn't compete until just before. the ipc says, quote, its assessment and diagnosis failed to provide significant evidence of an eligible impairment leading to permanent activity limitation which is required under the swimming classification rules and regulations. >> my condition, it hasn't changed. i've been with, i've been paralyzed for seven years, and if anything, you know, my condition has worsened a little bit. >> reporter: new hampshire senators and governor are calling on the committee to reevaluate this case. they call it nothing short of disgraceful. bill: seems like a wonderful young lady. martha: she does. obamaour best to her.
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adt. always there. offer ends soon. bill: this is a story we're going to h throughout the day now on the streets of cairo and throughout the country of egypt. reports of 600 killed this week alone this that country, and as more blood spills in egypt, president obama's handling of the situation is under fire. formerword to the u.n -- ambassador to the u.n., john bolton, says this all starts from the policies at the white house. >> it's another sign of u.s. influence declining in the country as a whole, and in part it's because of the president's incoherence, his inability to see what america's real interests are. bill: kt mcfarland, fox news national security analyst, good morning to you. bolton may have a point, but i don't know what we could have done ultimately anyway, because the egyptians are determining their own future and their own fate. what could with we do? >> well, i think we could have.
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and you're right, there's not a lot we could have done, but we could have done something, and i think we never used the influence and leverage that we had early on. we should have pressured mubarak to have a more uncollusive government -- inclusive government, we didn't. then morsi came in, we should have used our influence with him, we didn't. now there's a new government, we should have used our influence. at point we don't -- at this point we don't have a lot of influence yet. but i think it was a big mistake to cancel those military exercises. bill: you do? >> yeah. here's why. to cancel those military exercises, that was our last chance to find out what was really going on. if we had american military in egypt in the next few weeks, they could look around and say how bad is this? is it going to continue to be even more violent? we also could have used our influence -- if you're working shoulder to shoulder with somebody, you have much more of an ability to --
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will: that's a fair point. you say both sides are mad at us. >> oh, yeah. bill: how do we win here? >> i do think there's a slight chance we could still influence events by whispering in the ear of the muslim -- i mean, of egyptian leadership now, the military leadership saying have a more inclusive government, political and economic stability. but the real problem we egypt is that they need political stability and calm to get their economy going again. if they don't get their economy going again, you have more people out in the streets, less likely the economy is going to recover. so it devolves down to chaos. bill: do you think we're riding the horse in this that maybe is the least offensive? maybe that's the way to put it? because you have to go with the military. >> are yeah. bill: you have to continue the aid. if you call it a coup, according to u.s. law, the aid comes out. if the aid comes out, what supports the egyptian military? the military's in there to keep
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a lid on it, however wad this might be -- bad this might be right now, what happens to the rest of the region? and you know the israelis would be very concerned about all of that. >> yeah. if we just say that's it, we've had it, your on our eurozone, then i think you're looking at a generation of violence. and what happens in egypt doesn't just stay within egypt's borders. it'll spread. like you said, the sinai peninsula where these military exercises were supposed to take place, al-qaeda's there now. you know, if that spreads, if the violence spreads, we already have syria that's in chaos. if egypt goes in chaos, then you have lebanon that'll follow, maybe jordan and then the entire region is really an economic and political chaos for a decade if not a generation. bill: it's a remarkable thing to think back to 2009 when the president made the speech in cairo. conor powell, currently working in jerusalem, made this point to me the other day. he said for the first time, the
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people in this part of the world are not afraid of their leaders, and that is a significant and substantial difference. what do you think of that? >> it's a good thing in the sense that they've been governed by, you know, autocrats, dictators, pharoahs, generals, kings forever. so it's good they're taking responsibility into their own hands. the problem with it is that if you have chaos, civil war, egypt is now on the brink of becoming syria-style civil war, that's not a good thing because then you really -- i don't see where it ends other than political and economic chaos as far as the eye can see with israel in the middle of it and america's energy interest. bill: that's a live picture, right, guys? they called for a day of rage, the muslim brotherhood did, in cairo and various other cities. we're getting reports of possibly 17-20 dead again today. who knows what happens after nightfall because this is around the time when muslim prayers end at the mosque, and more people come into the streets. kt, i'll give you the last word
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on where this goes. >> 72 hours from now we're going to know a lot more. either the violence is subsiding, or it's getting worse, and if it's getting worse, i think it's worse for a much longer period of time. bill: we'll see what happens next week then. kt mcfarland here in the studio. martha: there are new bombshell revelations in the a-rod saga. "60 minutes" is now reporting that members of a-rod's inner circle obtained and leaked documents that link other major league baseball players to the performance enhancing drug scandal that is rocking the sport. those implicated, milwaukee breuers' star ryan braun, and a-rod's teammate franciscoer is cervelli tying both to the clinic in florida. an attorney issued a statement to the news program saying this, quote:
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martha: you know, it's an interesting sy because when you read into it, the early documents that came out from biogenesis had a list and names crossed over, redacted, their suggesting that a-rod's people got ahold of those documents and released them to yahoo! sports. pretty nasty way to play the game. bill: it's "60 minutes" and if you're ratting on your own teammates, that really, really cuts to the insult on what baseball's going through right now. martha: really ugly. bill: okay. so from a massive manhunt to a dramatic rescue, only days later 16-year-old hannah anderson is showing up at a fundraiser for her family. is that a good idea? dr. keith ablow has some thoughts on that and what she's going through now. martha: and one successful american family makes reality tv history. the rise of the duck dynasty. have you seen this? next, we'll be right back. the great outdoors, and a great deal.
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♪ ♪ bill: these guys got it. they've got the formula figured out. martha: they're hot on fire. bill: they are. reality tv-making history, the fourth season of duck dynasty drew a whopping 11.8 million viewers. martha: we do that every day. no big deal. bill: that's the highest rating for a nonfiction show ever. >> why are you so sad? >> i'm not sad, i'm just trying to escape for a few minutes. >> what are you escaping from? >> my wife and that stinking wedding. >> you boys are starting to sound pretty whipped over there. >> i ain't whipped. butter is whipped, cream is whipped, horses are whipped. willie ain't whipped. bill: i say he looks whipped. the show follows the robertson
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family out of louisiana and their company which makes duck calls for hunters. martha: and they're very successful. i watched a few minutes of it this morning because i had not seen it and felt very left out given what huge numbers they have. bill: gentlemen, congratulations. nicely done. ♪ ♪ martha: all right. we want to talk about this story that has gripped the nation over the past couple of weeks. the california kidnapping victim, hannah anderson, made her first public appearance, look at this video as she's sort of hustled into that room there after she was released from the abduction can during that multistate manhunt. her father thanked both the police and also the people who spotted her with the suspect. i'm joined now by dr. keith ablow, forensic psychiatrist and member of the fox news medical a-team. dr. keith, welcome. good to have you here. >> thanks, martha. martha: so many of us had the same reaction when we saw that
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she was on the internet within hours after being released from her kidnapper. she was taking pictures of herself and sending them to friends and is responding to questions apparently about her abduction and about her abductor being killed. then she shows up in this situation at this fundraiser. is that normal? to you? >> ah, well, as a forensic psychiatrist, we're going to learn there's more to this story than we know at present. the part of the story that here seems quite bizarre is that this young woman isn't grieving in any way that we would consider productive. her ability to go out and attend a fundraiser, to answer questions on internet sites, to post photos of herself suggests that she is at a distance from her internal suffering, and the question would be is this a new phenomenon born of trauma, or is this the way hannah anderson always lived, at least in her teen years, and could that at
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any way be involved -- could she have missed cues about how serious this man was because her head was in the internet clouds? martha: it's a very interesting question and, of course, everybody's heart goes out to this girl. she lost her mother and her little brother who was 9 years old. they were tortured, we understand, in the garage, and their bodies were found in the burnt-out rooms of the house. she was then taken into the woods. he was very close to this family. this man, her abductor, used to drive her back and forth to cheerleading practice, according to some reports they took some day trips together at different points. he had really put himself right into the middle of family. does that explain any of what appears to be sort of, you know, her not processing all of this yet? >> well, look, my heart goes out to her too. as you mentioned, everyone's does. i don't know if her heart goes out to her. of i don't know if she's divorced from herself. and where's her dad in this mix? what kind of father and, again,
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the man's been through hell, but what kind of dad has his daughter who's still only 16 and been through her own hell out on the internet, raising money? like what sort of family preexisted the horror and shoe t we ought to know the real threats against us and not be losing ourselves in the fantasy and fiction of facebook be? because this guy was really bad news, and i don't know whether this young woman would have known it, registered it, been able to tell anybody about it in any real way or not because i think her divorcing herself from reality probably predated these events. martha: it could. and her grandmother said that she hasn't processed it yet. the funerals have not even happened yet for her mother and for her little brother, and i really don't mean this to sound critical, but i am just -- it's a very unusual reaction that's happening here. >> it's bizarre. martha: i think it does go back to what you're talking about, it
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could, perhaps, you know, this instance that so many young people seem to feel from everything because they can hop online and answer a bunch of people's questions and never have to really interact. be. >> it may not be too much to say that hannah anderson will not be attending not in any real way the funerals of her brother and mother because hannah anderson isn't available and may not have been available psychologically even before these crimes. so being able to walk out of the woods after horror and resume your life as an internet darling is not necessarily a sign of strength -- martha: you know, doctor, some people might listen to this conversation and say, boy, how do you know what she's feeling? i mean, this young girl has been through a hot no matter what the underlying truth of all of this is. what would you say to them? >> well, what i would say is that that's why after 20 years as a forensic psychiatrist i am careful to make these comments. however, when a thing is
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bizarre, one ought not turn away from it. we don't want to replicate what this family did with this killer. what we want to do is say, wait, this is very strange. what is this phenomenon? because what it is not, is normal grieving. no way. there's something else behind it, period. people can criticize me for saying that, but i'm telling you right now, there is. martha: we'll see. dr. keith ablow, very interesting. >> all right, thanks, martha. bill: strong reaction from him too, and you've got this report out there that they were exchanging letters or had at least a dozen telephone calls -- martha: that day before the abduction, that's right. bill: we'll try and figure it out in time. eleven minutes before the hour. how does he do it, people? meet the shark whisperer. how he tames the most feared creatures around. he is live in "america's newsroom," watch what he does. just kind of puts them to sleep this. ♪ ♪
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martha: beautiful live shot there at al0 eastern time at the intrepid where they are celebrating the 70th anniversary of the commission of the intrepid, gathering people out there on a gorgeous day. boy, as i said before, if you visit new york over the end of this summer, in the fall, there is no better place to stop than the intrepid. really a great walk through history, and what an intrepid aircraft carrier that has been. bill: and a beautiful day too. happy birthday. diving into a swarm of sharks, but these guys are the shark whisperers. skilled divers capable of lulling the ocean's top predators into a trance. watch the video. you take the nose, and you stand the shark up on its head. stuart started this, he's the owner and president of stuart's cove dives in the bahamas. good morning to you.
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>> i'm down in ft. lauderdale, it's awesome. bill: i bet. listen or, i imagine the learning curve finish this is concern for this is pretty steep. how do you do this? >> well, you have to put your time in underwater, and it's just trial and error. and it can be, it can take a little while, it can be a steep curve or a very quick curve. bill: depending on how the shark responds. these are reef sharks, generally not that aggressive with human beings, right? >> that's right. they're caribbean reef sharks, but they're a real shark. bill: can you see our television screen right now? >> i cannot, i'm afraid. bill: okay. we're watching you with your right hand underneath the nose and your left hand sometimes on the fin, and how do you get the shark to react this way? >> well, what we do, we're wearing chain mail, and that's actually not me, that's one of my colleagues, neil harvey, i believe, but we are wearing
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chain meal that creates a magnetic field. and the shark's sensory system under its nose, it kind of excites that, and it causes the shark to relax. bill: so physically something is changing with the shark then. >> that's right. the sharks have five different sensory systems, and they're very acute and can be excited -- bill: cute for you, i guess. marine biologists belief they're just -- believe they're just playing dead. what do you think about that? >> well, i don't think anybody really knows what they're doing. we need a lot more science and a lot more experimentation with the sharks. there's all sorts of theories out there about why sharks go into tonic. bill: what do you think they're doing, stuart? >> i, i think they, they're mating. because the females go into to tonic much easier than the males.
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i think by them going into tonic, it relaxes them so the females don't get shredded too badly. bill: lasts about 15 minutes, you say? then you, like, run the hell out of there, don't you, stuart? >> that's right. we -- but, you know, and the different species of sharks can go into tonic in different ways. we can put them in tonic in different ways. the pelagic species like the ocean toic white tips, we find if we twist their tail gently, they will go into tonic. bill: it's amazing video, and it's really something that fascinates all of us. so thank you for sharing a bit of your story with us, okay? >> well, thank you for having us. bill: awesome, martha -- martha: interfering in the mating process a little bit out there, it seems like. there's something going on there, i think. very interesting. all right, we've got more on the bombshell reports about the nsa violating their own rules, snooping into the lives of americans and making these kind
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>> bill: so i thought maybe we could like, lull ourselves to sleep with the sharks. got vacation next week. make it a great weekend everybody. martha: you will be like the shark, chilling out in the water. floating around. >> right now, brand new stories and breaking news for you. jon: another bombshell rocking the nsa. new reports reveal the intelligence agency violated privacy rules thousands of times since 2008. plus a "day of rage" sweeping across egypt today. at least 17 people dead already as thousands take to the streets in response to the bloody crack down early they are week that killed 600. and a new book blowing some holes in the age-old rules of pregnancy. are alcohol and caffeine really off limits? it's all "happening now."


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