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childhood in the eastern cape during activism and decades in prison before being elected as south after infantry caps first black president in 1994. nelson mandela was 95. fellow republicans, our beloved, nelson mandela, the founding president of our democratic nation has departed. >> former south african president nelson mandela, a man like no other is dead at the age of 95. the reveered antiapartheid leader spent 27 years in prison. led his country to democracy and became south after infantry caps first black president. donald rumsfeld joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening. sir, why is it that president mandela could do something that nobody else could? what was it about him?
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>> well, he had special qualities. he was a humble person. with impressive grace almost like royalty in terms of his presence. he had good humor. and gentleness, but steel in his backbone and resolve and conviction. i think one of the things that possibly was different about him, he had that wonderful ability to put himself in other people's shoes. and try to look at tough issues from their perspective as well as his own. and that's an enormously valuable thing when you are wrestling with naughty issues, tough issues where people feel strongly. and, you know, just to appreciate and look around the world today at the public dialogue and we can see how rare it is. that people have that talent of putting themselves in the other person's shoes. and i would add forgiveness.
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forgiveness is not easy for any of us, i suppose. but he clearly had the ability to behave in a way that suggested that he truly forgave people who had views that he really believed fundamentally were wrong. and forgave the damage that was done to his life by spending more than two and a half decades in prison. >> you know, it's astounding -- it's absolutely stunning that you can spend 27 years in prison emerge with no bitterness but rather with a sense of determination to make things right. >> and not only of a determination to make it right, but a wonderful ability to persuade others that the approach he was taking, of understanding, one of
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forgiveness, i should add one of good humor that smile, i think, did a great deal to advance his cause. you just imagine how the lives that his heroic life changed not only in south africa but by his example around the world. it has truly been a very special thing during our lifetime to have seen it and experience it and benefit it as a people from it. >> you know, i wonder if young americans who didn't live in sort of the prenelson mandela president time if they really, you know, can really sort of appreciate just the magnitude of what he did. i mean, it's just -- those of us who are are old enough to have lived during the apartheid times and now to see what he has done in south africa is just beyond words. >> it truly is i read something one day that he said something to the effect that it was probably best
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that he was, in fact, caught. when he was planning various types of sabotage because he would not have wanted to live his life with that on his conscience that he had killed innocent people which he was captured, i guess, and caught and imprisoned before he and the group of people that were planning sabotage actually had an opportunity to execute it. >> mr. secretary, thank you, sir. >> you bit, greta. >> and now we are going to go to south africa. fox news producer paul tell usually joins us from outside nelson mandela's home. good evening, sir. tell me what's going on outside there now. >> good evening, greta. south africa is not sleeping tonight. especially in the places nelson mandela touched. people are out in the streets. outside mr. mandela's formal house 20 miles from here. and outside his current home here in north johannesburg
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where he passed away. it may well be after midnight here but the crowds are still growing. there are hundreds here. the mood has changed quite rapidly to one of quiet shock to frankly boisterous celebration of his life. this is a typical almost uniquely south african reaction, greta. people of all colors, many who have wrapped themselves in the south african flag, some holding candles are toy toying, a revolutionary dance. they are singing his name. one young woman outside his home here is holding up a sign saying it's in our hands now. inside the house a large richly furnished home i have been lucky enough to enter many times to film mr. mandela, the former president was surrounded by family members as he passed away. it's widely believed that elders from his home village, mr. mandela was, after all, a deeply
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traditional man, are now going through rituals. in english, the ceremony they are going through is called the closing of the eyes. this is a ceremony that will last several hours during this night. there are many tears in many countless eyes in africa today. mr. mandela always had a smile and a joke when he met people. i was fortunate he asked me eight years ago to come and be his personal videographer and also for his nelson mandela's children's fund. he managed to get a joke out of nothing each time he saw me. when he once saw me with a group of women on one occasion, he came over and whispered lucky you. getting into the car he always traveled, in always in the same car, he turned to me and said, paul, is this the car i came in? well, he is going on a journey now. and after up to two weeks of ceremonies, that final journey will end up with him being laid to rest, greta.
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>> you know, paul, we hear so much about him being humble. none of us knew him personally. we look at merely his accomplishments and extraordinary things that he does in his life. but i'm thinking, you know, we tonight, would he be surprised that the whole world is looking at this, all eyes on south africa and great sort of wave of sadness going across the world? >> he was a humble man but he was deeply aware of the meager interest in him. he was also incredibly comfortable in the media spotlight. whether one was in a room and we were fortunate enough we were so trusted by his security that i and my cameraman were often left in a room alone with him or whether he was in front of hundreds of thousands of people. he had a peace. he was very comfortable in the public. in the public eye. and i think that was because he was a very unselfish man. he really did live his life for others and particularly
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for south africans. and as you know, greta, he said that if necessary, he would like to lay down his life to gain the freedom which he did gain for his people here in south africa, greta. >> is what you see what you have got? sometimes politicians are very different publicly but when you might with them behind closed doors and get to know them they are very different. is what we saw of him publicly, is that the same man that you knew? >> yes. i think so. i mean, you have got to understand as a journalist i guess he would never totally let his hair down. but he was always a very dignified. quite quiteman. he was immensely bright and immensely intelligent, so that he would the first occasion when we talked, was quite extraordinary. i had interviewed him several times for american television networks. and i was coming out of a coal mine when the phone
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rang. i didn't think there would be signal because i had been underground. and the phone rang and this voice said this is nelson mandela. of course, i thought it was somebody playing a jongeght i told him to go away. he said no this really have nelson mandela and he laughed. he said do you know something? and it was quite disarming. i get quite a lot of this people don't know me. he asked me to help him to -- his big love in life was children. he used to love children. in fact, with nelson mandela's children's fund as he got a little older and started to withdraw from public life, the one thing, greta, that the boss of the children's fund told me, make sure when you go to filming that you you take children because sometimes he could be a little quiet or he could be, perhaps a little serious, but he would light up that magic would come into his eyes when he saw children, greta. >> all right. paul. we will check back with you later. of course the left side of the screen to the viewers at
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home that is outside nelson mandela's home and they are -- well, you can see what they are doing. they seem to be celebrating their president's death. for more reaction on the news of nelson mandela's death senator tim jot -- scott joins us. >> thank you for having me back on the show on such an amazing night. >> we feel this wave of sadness but in some ways looking at the activity out of mandela's house there is a sense of celebration there, senator. >> you think about his years of being incarcerated. 27 years. you think about the humble spirit that he led. one would celebrate the fact that his life led to truly setting captives free. i think about some of the thoughts that i have read that so much has to do with finding humility by listening to other. as if there is a celebration in his own quiet silence. and to see the response of his people responding to his
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life, not to his death. but to his life. freedom is quite a remarkable scene. >> you know, how many people can -- i mean, very few actually, he is the only one, can change an entire country like that and do it with a sense of inspiration? get people, you know, excited about things, celebrate and change decades of such a horrible situation with apartheid. i mean, it's just extraordinary. >> it gives me chills to be honest with you, the whole notion of a transformational leader is a bit about thinking about a man in 1962, the same man in 1992, and then watching the celebration the -- imprisoned early. not to go revenge those adversaries but to find reconciliation and then being celebrated as a hero at the end of his life. that to me is a remarkable life. >> and, of course, we should point out that he shared the nobel peace prize with the
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president south african president. instrumental and partners in making this huge transformation. he gets some credit tonight. >> absolutely, 1993 was a remarkable year. i think it stands strong in the whole notion that in spite of our past, inspite of our challenges, few leaders can bring a nation together with very different paths. but have one united future. >> senator, thank you very much. we're continuing to follow the breaking news out of south africa. stay with us. this is historic but very sad night. stay with us. huma. even when weross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why, at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement
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breaking news tonight. nelson mandela has died. mandela spent 27 years in prison. fox news correspondent jennifer was in south africa to report on his release. jennifer joins us. jennifer? >> hi, greta. it was in fact my first news story as a journalist. and i can remember the electric atmosphere in cape town as we waited for nelson mandela to come out of prison that day. the thing that i remember most, i remember winnie mandela, his wife was late that day. he had to wait in prison after waiting 27 years he had to wait a little bit longer while she got her hair done. there were thousands of people waiting in the square. and i can remember when he
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finally was hoisted up on to the podium there and the first words were uttered. it was if the son was going down in cape town. he said i stand before you not as a prophet but as a humble servant. and those words, that was nelson mandella. that was who he was. the night before the newspapers in south africa printed a picture of him because he had aged over those 27 years and had been illegal in apartheid south africa to publish his picture to utter his name, to, in fact, to sing south africa which was the national anthem god bless africa. there were so many changes in that year when i was a young journalist 1989 to 1990 in south africa, greta. >> jennifer, thank you very much. again, those are the pictures in the lower screen the people outside nelson mandel laps home tonight. south african and world leaders and the world reacting to the death of nelson mandela.
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okay, everyone, it's time to hash it out. the world is remembering nelson mandela on social media. politicians and celebrities taking to twitter and facebook, posting their condolences in memories of the former south african president. former president bill clinton tweeting this photo with this caption: i will never forget my friend bow bodeba. >> he bore his burdens with dignity and grace and our world is better off because of his example. this good man will be miss but his contributions will
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tonight news breaking around the world. he dismantled apartheid system became the country's first black president. dr. ben carson joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening, greta. >> it's a sad night to us. although we look at the people around mandela's house and they seem, at least, to accept it much better than maybe the rest of the world. your thoughts tonight about son mandela's death? >> he he was a grace blessing in my life and the life of many people. the first time i went to south africa, i had to go as an honorary white citizen. but shortly after that, apartheid ended. armingly because of his effort. and he advocated for peace. and for forgiveness. and i think there is a lot of lessons that people in our nation could learn from that. >> you know, people will be talking about that for the
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next 24 hours and until the time of the funeral and then all of a sudden there will be a distance path. why is it we can't take his message and work with it? >> well, unfortunately, i think there are a lot of people who have their own agendas. and, you know, they are not going to really pay a great deal of attention to it. they will, perhaps, give a little lip service to it right now. but, really don't inculcate into their own lives the whole concept of forgiveness, and understanding that, you know, we are not each other's enemy. and i think that is something that dr. mandela would have resonated with quite strongly. we're not enemies. and if we use our collective skills, our intellect, our compassion, together amazing things can be done, you know, south africa could easily have turned out to be the same kind of blood bath
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that taksim zimbabwe was. it goes to show the incredible difference that good leadership makes. >> you know, when he was released, one of the first things he said was that he was -- he referred himself as a humble service of you, the people. >> exactly. and that's, you know, if he had not done what he had done, you think about what would have gone on, with all of the people, not just one segment of them, it would have been a terrible tragedy for everyone. and right now, you know, south africa is doing relatively well and particularly a lot of the people who were the oppressed people have had enormous opportunities. do they still have a ways to go? of course they do. we're human beings. we are never going to reach state of perfection. but we need to continue to make progress. and i hope that now that he has died that people will not forget the lessons that
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were inherent in his life. not only for south africa but really for the rest of the world. you know, he received the nobel peace prize. yank of anyone who deserved it more than did. >> dr. carson thank you very much. see you tomorrow night at your big charity event. thank you for the dollars for scholars. >> thank you. >> more live report from south africa coming up. ♪ through 12 blizzards blowg ♪ 8 front yards blinding ♪ 6 snowballs flying ♪ 5 packages addressed by toddlers ♪ ♪ that's a q ♪ 4 lightning bolts ♪ 3reepy gnomes ♪ 2 angry geese ♪ and a giant blow-up snowman ♪ that kind of freaks out [ beep ] [ female nouncer ] no one delivers the holidays like the u.s. postal service. priority mail flat rate is more reliable than ever. and with improved tracking up to 11 scans, you can even watch us get it there. ♪
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now get ready to speed read your way through the news. first to toronto. elm battalioned mayor rob ford calling into radio show and slamming obamacare. that's right. even a crack smoking mayor is blasting obamacare. >> as a person, i like president obama. i don't like his politics. i'm a conservative. i i would be a republican if i was down in the states. so i don't believe in all
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the public-funded, you know, healthcare and, because who is going to pay for it? we can't afford it what you guys are doing down there i can't get my head around it. it it's costing a fortune. i don't know where you are going to find the money except for the taxpayers' pockets. i think people are taxed to death. you know, i don't mind two tier healthcare if you like healthcare you pay for it i understand that. but, you know, and we have general healthcare up here or old hip we call it. but, it's going to cost a fortune for you guys to put in this obamacare. i don't see how the people are going to be able to afford it, to tell you the truth. >> mayor ford was invited to the radio show that talk about sports. urgent warning to computer users around the world. more than two million facebook, google and twitter pass words have been stolen. in response to the giant hacking. online networks have disabled the effective pass words and that's tonight's speed read. and now why do the democrats keep telling us things they know aren't
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true? >> remember what the president said, if you like your insurance you can can keep it. >> if you like your healthcare plan, you will be able to keep your healthcare plan. period. >> what he said was true. >> okay. if you want to keep the insurance you have, you can keep it. >> now you know that one is true. so do they. they keep saying it. maybe they should call this guy. i get a letter from the later part of november florida blue. that's not all. there is more. the president says the g.o.p. does not have a plan. >> they sure haven't presented an alternative. if you ask many of the opponents of this law, what exactly they do differently, their answer seems to be well, let's go back to the way things used to be. >> well, that one is not true either. you know that. they may not like the g.o.p. plan, but you can't deny that the g.o.p. has plans.
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you heard some plans even right here. >> our approach, the one that's patient-based, the one that allows for more flexibility for health savings accounts. the one that says people can purchase healthcare across state lines and a plan frankly that had in it safeguard for those with preexisting conditions but did not implement a plan that raised prices the way that obamacare does. >> the democrats must think that americans are stupid or something. why else do they keep saying these things. they know simply are not true and would not think they would worry about getting caught. karl rove joins us. nice to he sue, karl. >> great to see you, greta. >> karl, so what -- i mean, what is this? what's with them? why do they keep saying this stuff? there is no contest that it's wrong? >> look, harry reid, in particular, is way out there. i mean, look, people have lost their policies between 5.4 and 6.2 million policies have been cancelled. that represents 10, 12, 14 million people. they didn't get a renewal
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letter. they got a cancellation letter. and the president acknowledged it. he apologized and said he had mislead people and he apologized for it and yet harry reid comes back and says, you know, the president was right. was he right when he was telling people they could keep their policies or was he right when he apologized and said i'm sorry for misleading you? reidens problem is. this this is out of a new fox poll. 38% of the people think the administration has been honest with them about the affordable care act. 55% believe they deliberately deceived people. >> i think, you know what? , karl, i think they are lucky in light of the tape that we just ran. lucky they got those numbers. >> exactly. did they know in advance that people were going to kicked kicked off? 59 percent said yes, 39 percent said. no harry reid continues to sit there and say things that people know are absolutely not true. look, normally senator harry reid would be identified as the d from nevada.
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maybe he is really the d who is dumb. this is really stupid on his part to say oh the president was right when the president said i was wrong. i apologize. was he d? who does he think that we are that he can go on television and say those kind of things? maybe it's d who are you you going to believe? me or your cancellation letter? i mean, it was an extraordinary performance. and harry reid is capable of really extraordinary performances this topped them all. >> yeah, but i don't understand. even the president though saying the g.o.p. has no alternatives. he may not like the alternatives. he may think they are lousiy, stupid whatever ideas. he says in a national speech. the republicans they do have alternatives. you may not like them that's just flat out wrong. >> well, think, remember, this president falls back in moments of tension and when he guess under stress he falls back in the habit of offering up straw men. of saying -- of suggesting that his opponents are in favor of something which they're not in favor of. all they want to do is go back to the old system. look, why is he -- has he not been paying attention?
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i can't believe that a man as smart as president obama has not heard about the ideas like allow small businesses to pool their risks or increase the ability of people that save for out-of-pocket medical expenses tax free or medical liability reform. in fact, he talked about that in one of his speeches to the congress. he said i know some of you on the republican side are are in favor of that. he knows about these proposals. he knows about these ideas. and when he gets into a corner, he will say things that he knows aren't true to build a strawman. >> you know what though, karl? this is not a game. i don't need it to tell you or lecture or you anything. this is about people's health. people worried about chemotherapy and they are going out and saying this stuff that's flat out not right. we are trying to sort through what will work and what will not work. it is really disheartening. bring you to another topic. listen to this. called forget about the price tag. that's the name of the song that just won the grand prize in the hhs obamacare video contest it and we're not joking. here it is.
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♪ young wild and free ♪ but you need to stay healthy ♪ there is no excuse to be uninsured ♪ just stop for a minute and think ♪ to see ♪ take advantage of this opportunity ♪ keep your mind at ease ♪ and get the security ♪ don't need a lot of money, money, money ♪ stay young and healthy, healthy, healthy ♪ we just want to make it more fair ♪ with affordable healthcare ♪ ain't about the uh ching ching ching ♪ ain't about the yeah, bling bling bling ♪ affordable care ♪ don't worry about the price tag. >> you know, karl, this actually enrages me. i think it this sort of playing on tv radiation unit in a hospital or hospital unit or chemotherapy. big game and big joke and contest and don't worry about the price tag. >> yeah, don't worry about the price tag. i thought it was ironic that
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a young woman would be singing a song and lecturing peers saying don't worry about the price tag. remember, at the heart of the affordable care act, obamacare is a provision called community rating which says in essence younger healthier workers shall pay a higher premium than they would otherwise be charged in order to subsidize the premiums paid by older, less healthy people. she is saying basically young people don't care that you are getting a raw deal that you are going to have to pick up a bigger tab than you would if the market were not so regulated by obama care. older, less healthy and may have a less healthy life lifestyle. the second thing they have got me on this is that this woman talked about fairness, this was -- it's all about being fair. well, it ought to be about allowing people, giving people access to quality healthcare. not about, quote, fairness. this once again is this mantra of the obama administration that some people have too much and some people have too little.
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the purpose of government is to take from them that have in order to give to them that don't. we are going to have free cell phones for some people or we are going to have this and going to have that increasing dependency on government whenever government decides that the system is somehow not fair. if you got more than the government decides is fair we're going to give it to people who have less than we think they ought to have. >> i don't know. and i guess i would add to that aspect. i think they sort of cheapen the seriousness of this issue for people living in fear that they are getting cut off, worried about serious medical things and here you have h.h.s. running a singing contest as bad as the guy in the bathtub with the two glasses of wine. just shows, just cheapens it but such an important national dialogue we should be having about this. >> look. i must admit i'm a little unsettled by the idea the government organizing white house in order to collect young people in support of the white house and go out in a contest like this using tax dollars in favor of the public policy
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that is obviously very divisive. it is just a little unsettling. what would have happened if in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 with medicare part d if the white house under george w. bush had organized white house as support group for the administration's policy. i suspect some of the democrats who voted against the president -- president bush's proposal would have been out and yelling saying this is really an inappropriate thing to do. look. i understands we have got to find ways to get the government wants to find ways to implement this program but this just struck me as just a little bit -- >> you know what? i can set up with one part about they talk about how important it is to healthy people. provide medical care and we need to fund. this and then they spend a million dollars on a piece of art at the end of september to put in an embassy in london. do we really need that when we are trying to find healthcare for people who are seriously ill and don't have money in this country? i don't buy it when people tell me how important this is when they are doing
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stupid things like that. >> greta, how about having a $650 billion web site that doesn't work well and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to go to so-called quote navigators, communities, community groups, a lot of them on the left of american politics. who have signed up very few people in some states have signed up zero people. many of these groups have signed up a handful of people and they are getting large amounts of money each month from the federal government for their help on this program and you are right. this was not well thought out. and we are spending a lot of money to do things that don't allow people to get quality healthcare. >> karl, thank you. >> you bet. thank you, greta. >> straight ahead the knockout game strikes again. a man viciously and wildly attacks walking down the street where did it happen this time? the latest victim tells his terrifying story next. that's when i talked with my doctor. he gave me some blood tests... showed it was low t.
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now, it's time to show you what we are watching. we put together the most fantastic videos out there tonight. you don't have to be a treky to like this one. the star track crew performing their take on the holiday classic. let it snow. >> oh the weather outside is frightful. ♪ but the fire is so delightful. and since we've no place to go. make it so. make it so. make it so. >> you heard right the words different. familiar command make it so. a youtube user and no doubt
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treky put together that video. can you see the entire video on and talk about the elephant in the room. make that elephants. a herd of african elephants joined safari lodge in zam bea. they use a shortcut through the lobby to get to the tree. the hotel guests don't seem to mind. that's what we're watching tonight. coming up, a wisconsin man violently sucker punched on the street. he says he is the latest victim of the knockout game. he tells his frightening story next.
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urgent new warnings about the knockout game. that is after wisconsin man says he is the latest victim of the dangerous attacks. now, we are showing examples of these knockout game attacks so you know what to look out for. tim business set says he was leaving the milwaukee bus stop when he was violently knocked to the ground. now he is speaking from the hospital bed. >> i have h. gone through a
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nightmare in the past several days. my left eye today is the first that i actually could see out of it. everything was just so swelled up. i couldn't see. >> "on the record" has been showing you the knockout assaults are happening all over the country. some of the incidents turning deadly. for more on the latest attack milwaukee sent sentinel is with us. good evening, sir. >> good evening, how are you doing. >> his injuries are obviously horrible. can you tell me what happened to him? what time of day it was? >> well, yeah. this latest incident happened on monday. monday night around 7:30. he was getting off the bus, the victim was getting off the bus and he was walking. he noticed that there were four young men, teens, following him. so he attempted to cross the street. and he said that as soon as he turned to look back, he
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was sucker punched and he immediately went down. he said that they started reigning punches down on him. he suffered a broken nose. some facial lacerations and he said he noticed them laughing when they were walking away. so, by all means it seems like it was part of this knockout game. >> all right. besides sort of the laughing which is sort of a a signature characteristic seeing in the knockout game, there is often no robbery. nothing is ever taken from the. was he robbed of anything or just a punch. >> no. he said he was just whit a punch. he was not robbed. but he said he has always feared being robbed, which is a little different. but, he just said that the attack was unprovoked. again, he was just getting off the bus and he was just heading home. so, this was just -- appeared to be just a vicious act. >> anyone arrested? any security cameras catch
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this so we can try to corroborate or get some of the evidence people if they are caught. do we know if this was racial in any way? >> the suspects are believed to be african-american. you could see that the victim is white. no one is in cuss today. -- custody. i'm glad he is coming forward and talking about this. by coming forward and talking about what happened, maybe they would talk about it maybe the people will participate in this may tell other people that they did this. and hopefully they could be brought to justice because this should not take place. and, but there is another element to this. you know, it's the fear element. i don't want people to think that this is something that people should fear all black youth. because, this -- i believe that these cases -- although we hear a lot of them and they have been going on for quite some time, this is not something that all black youth are doing. you know, a majority of our
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youth, overwhelming majority of our youth do the right thing all the time. but, you have some that act out like this and they should be brought to justice. >> and i just want to reiterate that it's not all black youth at all. however, it is, you know, it seems to be a game that has attracted some bad black youth who are doing. this although there is a report of hispanics, i think, of new york. this something that we have got to stop across the board. but, anyway, james thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> coming up, we're going to continue to follow the news breaking around the world tonight. the death of former south african president nelson mandela. a live report is next. don't forget to watch hannity tonight 10:00 p.m. eastern. rnc chair ryan priebus will be sean's guest. that's tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern on hannity.
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check this out. police in a georgia town arresting a man for stealing five cents worth of electricity. how do you even steal five cents of power? well, the so-called suspect owns an electric car and he drove it to his son's school so he could pick up his son. while he was waiting for his son to come out, the father plugged his school into the school's outdoor electric outlet to charge it up. 20 minutes later a police officer arrived told the car owner that he would be arrested for theft. the owner estimated 20 minutes probably got him 5 cents worth of electricity. less than the cost to pay for the arrest warrant written on. remind police and prosecutor manpower how much did that cost. is the police officer way out of line? have too much time on his hands or are you on team police officer on this one? go to gretawire and vote in our poll. coming up, we have more breaking news on the death of nelson mandela. we are going to give you a live report in south africa.
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this is a fox news alert. we are learning more about the death of former south african president nelson mandela. the antiapartheid leader dying today at the age of 9 a for the latest we go to paul who is live in south africa. paul? >> yes, indeed. thank you, greta. hundreds, some of them in their pajamas are gathered
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outside president mandela's home. even outside his former humble home there they are singing his name. they are holding up the south african flag. the flag of freedom and democracy which he brought to this nation. there are hundreds of candles but this revolutionary dancing going on, too. people of all colors, of all ages, in shock but celebrating his life. a young woman here said it's powerful how we are all coming together. another young man said to us that we have lost everything. inside the house, it's widely believed that elders from the ru where he comes from are going through the ancient african ritual surrounding death. specifically the ritual which is known in english as the closing of the eyes. through the sadness, the loss, many say that this is strange lay good moment to be in south africa. it is a time when this nation can drop its political squabbles and
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celebrate the man who brought freedom, who brought democracy to us all here in this country. this country of south africa has lost its father. he was known greta at cat turned dream into reality, greta. >> only 30 seconds left. most south africans, it's still the middle of the night there. they haven't heard, have they? >> i'm sorry, can you repeat that? it's a very bad line. >> i said we only have 20 seconds now. most south africans because it's the middle of the night, have not heard about this yet. >> that's correct. coming up to 2:00 in the morning. it's surprising. it's a sneakily south african trait that people have come out in the hundreds, perhaps in the thousands. >> paul, thank you very much. and now let's go off-the-record for just a minute. it's sad, isn't it? two hours ago we were all talking and thinking about something else and then suddenly the breaking news. the news of president
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mandela's death. this is one of those rare moments in history when everything just suddenly seems to stop. tonight the world gripped in sadness, a great man has died. not just a great man of south africa. you know, he is a great man of the world. he was the real deal. there aren't many of those. set personal standards of dignity that the rest of us can only dream of achieving. think about it, he was in prison for 27 years. upon his release, he wasn't bitter, not blaming, and, instead, with his great moral courage, he stood up, he inspired the people of the world, and he led the people of south africa out of their legacy of apartheid. he changed south after infantry canned changed us. moral courage was well it was awesome. we all know the moment of his death was inevitable. it's still hard to believe. you always hope the great ones will live forever. and that's my off-the-record comment tonight. thank you for being with us. join us again tomorrow right here at 7 p.m. eastern. make sure you go to
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tell us what you think about president mandela and there is so much more to talk about. go there good night from washington. ♪ ♪ the o'reilly factor is on. tonight. >> it was refreshing to see though that many in the media did come out and say her standards have got to be higher than this. >> sarah palin talking about martin bashir being fired from msnbc for attacking her verbally. tonight we will talk with mrs. palin about that and the divide inside the republican party. >> senior senator from arizona urged this body to trust the republicans. let me be clear, i don't trust the republicans. >> there is some presidential polling out and it's fairly good news for texas senator ted cruz among others. we will give you the numbers. >> obamacare officials


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