and one small business owner isn't giving thanks to obamacare, saying it could cost him millions of in the new year. we are all over that tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern time right on fox business network. i'll be your host. i'm kimberly guilfoyle with bob beckel, jessie waters, debuta perino and jedda dia perino. it is 5:00 and this is "the five." >> 2013 is winding down but before we ring in 2014, let's visit the top news stories of the year. what were the hot topics you heard on "the five," here is looking back. >> if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. >> i'm sorry they are finding themselves in different situations from what they heard
from me. >> i will speak until i can no longer speak. >> we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >> i intend to speak in support of defunding obamacare until i am no longer able to stand. >> we, the jury, duly impanelled and sworn in the above entitled action upon our oath do find the defendant count one, first-degree murder, guilty. >> help me, i'm amanda berry. >> do you need police fire or ambulance. >> i need police. >> what is going on there? >> i've been kidnapped for 10 years and i'm here and free now. >> the fact is we have four dead americans because of a protest or guys out for a walk one night who decided they would go kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? >> remember those words? 2016, we'll be hearing them a lot again. and going around the table, your
top story for 2013. >> let me say how shocked i am we started with obamacare. and the second and the third one, so i think i'll keep off of obamacare, the biggest and under rated reporting was the national security agency spying on americans. that has a precedent for the future and it is extremely dangerous and unconstitutional and it will be tested in courts and we'll find out. >> you have been strong on that story. >> bob, big surprise. i'm going with obamacare. it was the top story this year by a landslide. when the president lies to the american people and the rollout is a disaster, it was october, november, december, you are still seeing it blow up in people's faces, i think it blows everything else out of the water. i hate to see it because people don't have health insurance and you want them to have health insurance but it is the top story of the year. >> and do you expect it will trend in 2014. >> i do. i think there will still be fallout as people go to the
hospital or the doctor and find out, whoa, i don't have insurance. >> what else do we have about obamacare. >> i want to get dana in. what do you think? >> i think obamacare will be jessie's choice next year because all of the things that are starting to roll out in 2014 which were designed to come after the tion will continue. so i'll choose another one even though obamacare is the most significant story. it is the irs targeting of conservative groups. that story has faded to the background but the consequences and the impact of that story will be if you continue to see the distrust of government across the board, that will actually hurt america in the long run. so that story i think was maybe -- doesn't show as much on some of the lists but for impact that, that was a good one. >> significant story for sure. jedda dia, how are you doing this evening? >> i'm doing well. i think particularly obama saying if you like your plan,
you can keep your plan, period, over and over again. i think it affected the credibility of the president. a lot of people believed him up to that point. then people questioned the man behind the presidency. but bob makes a great point about the nsa because i think this was a moment when a lot of folks on the left began to question barack obama and whether he was standing up for people's privacy rights and gave an opportunity for the libertarian party, the rabd paul to come out and support those things and show the american people we are on the side of civil liberties and american protection. >> bob, would you like to follow up or has that said it all? >> the syria story, you liked that story. >> i do. i think the most under reported story was syria and the devastation and tragedy going on there, the millions of people who have been displaced. it looks bashir will probably survive all of this but i think the mideast is in a position -- we're very close to seeing things explode to the extent
that i still think there is a possibility that the terrorists will take over the suez canal and that will send the world's economic order into disorder. >> so i think you gave some good answers. bob, we'll let you stay. [ laughter ] >> thank you very much. >> he's so happy because i have some more obamacare thoughts. just to tant ill ize him. so dana, let's talk about this. there is a gallop poll out talking before obama, clinton, most admired in 2013, did these numbers surprise you in terms of popularity and admiration given the tumultuous year obama had. >> president obama and secretary clinton are known the most, the one in the news the most. i would imagine that democrats find it hard to believe that george w. bush is second on the list. but it is people who are in the news and in your conscious so i wasn't that surprised that he would be on that list.
>> but as president bush is in there, but time will tell. he's still reading books about the first president as he is known to -- >> i'm shocked that bill o'reilly was not at the top of the list. he's been at the top of every list this year. it astaunds me. that is one of the sloppiest polls i've seen in a long time. ron paul, the 8th most admired person, i have no idea how that is possible. the error was plus or minus four, so ron paul was more admired than the pope francis, i just don't get that. >> i want to say how amazed i am that you did your kiss- -- up to o'reilly. one of the thing that is clear about the polls is the president always win these polls. and dana is right, it is a reflection of what people know and the first thing that comes to their head. the one thing about obama, he is
number one but came down from 30% the last time this was polled. >> that is the real takeaway. >> but his poll numbers are down ever where because -- everywhere because of obamacare. but it will get better. >> this poll was taken between december 5th and december 8th and there was more obamacare fallout after that. that might have continued to hurt the president. >> how do you have anything about negative poll ratings in the face of the obamacare stories? everybody is down in this thing now. i think wrongly. i think december was a very good month. and when the states do their own work, which are democrats, unlike the republicans who want to see it fail, there will be over 2 million people. >> can i mentioned one thing about the polls and the republicans, if you are looking to 2016, one of the things you can say is the democrats have hillary clinton at some of the highest approval ratings for their party, but also the biggest name idea across the
board. if you look at other republicans who might throw their hat in the ring in 2016, they have such a big hill to climb on name i.d. nobody could name them. >> that is a huge challenge. >> a lot of money. >> nothing will make it happen overnight. >> i can't believe angela merkel was the seventh most admired person in america. >> i think someone just answered the phone and tried to get gallop off the phone. >> no one knows merkel. >> and don't underestimate hillary clinton and people say benghazi will be a huge issue, but people still like her. >> we don't discount her. >> i would never discount her and with george w. bush, he got a chance to show his personal like ability. he went on jay leno, people started to like the guy. separated him from the presidency. so i think it is a lesson to --
to candidates, the connection that i think president bush has made this year is enormous and do not forget that. >> i got into a heated situation about that -- >> you did? with your relatives? >> i'm the winner. >> you didn't call me for a life line. >> i said don't make me get dana perino over here. >> bush is doing very well. when he left office, i had a feeling this guy would come up, not as much as he has, and i think you are right, it is his personal side. the problem for the republican canadiens for president -- candidates for president, the first thing they have to do is establish the right wing bonafides. the republicans have a big primary in front of them and number of candidates, hillary clinton won't have much of a primary in front of her and that makes a big difference. >> i agree. >> she is still the winner on
the -- on the gallop pole and she is at 15%. so that is -- >> did you see that oprah winfrey edged out michelle obama. >> i saw that. she is not happy about that. >> she's burning in the white house. she's very upset. >> the president will be sleeping on the couch. with all of the that love and affection, you have edged me out. >> and one more thing to talk about that you might watch this other station, and you might have seen the "today" show did a ranking of prit cal -- political events of 2013. take a look at this sound of matt lauer. >> number ten, the event that everybody said should make the list is wendy davis defending abortion rights. >> people felt if we had more leaders like wendy davis willing to stand up for what is right, we would get somewhere. >> and number five, the government shutdown. >> i called it the gop shutdown.
it is false to say it was a failure of government, it was a few individuals trying to extort the government. >> a lot of users put a lot of blame on republicans. >> i just rubbed my eyes because i thought that was ms nbc, dana. >> i think the point about the shutdown, i would call it the gop shutdown, but nobody remembers it and the numbers that were very good showed it didn't have an impact in the quarter like they thought it would. >> the shutdown is something that people in the media like to talk about. because people were talking about jobs. look at the number of people who have left the labor force which is the only thing that pulled the employment numbers for barack obama. and most of the country is pro--life, i don't think they are for wendy davis. >> and republicans in the house have got terrible ratings, as do the democrats. and whenner coming out -- when you are coming out of congress as a candidate and those for republicans, coming out of
washington, except for chris christie, it will be a tough road. >> scott walker, i think you could -- >> yeah, but it will be a crowded field. >> the wendy davis pick shocks me. think the looks have a lot to do about it. she would crack top ten if she looks like -- >> i am sufrped that the -- surprised that the jodi arias trial made it. >> they googled that more than obamacare. >> dana has a bad taste about that. >> i am still angry. i'm upset. >> there are no words. >> okay. well we have a lot of words left. let me tell you. because up next, an alarming report from the left-wing media about the benghazi atalk and it keep -- attack and why "the new york times" is pushing this video and what it could -- what affect it could have on hillary
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the new york times published a story about the deadly attacks in benghazi last year. the times said al qaeda was not involved and revived the suggestion that an american-made video mocking islam led to the attack, that filled four americans, including ambassador chris stevens. the report was on tv yesterday. >> this was not a street protest or a copy cat of what happened in cairo. that was an unarmed street protest. this is a group of armed men inspired by a video who
deliberately attacked a compound, motivated in large part by the video. >> but house intelligence committee chairman mike rogers is not buying that and insists that al qaeda terrorists and not the video are to blame. >> there was one group that everybody said was involved, and they say it is an independent radical islamic group but doesn't have links to al qaeda. >> i dispute that and i think the intelligence to a large volume disputes that. do they have differences of opinion with al qaeda, do they have affiliations with al qaeda core, definitely. >> and his colleague adam schiff, on the democratic side of the aisle, had this to say. >> congress adam schiff, does this exonerate the president to susan rice to hillary clinton? >> i don't think "the new york times" report is designed to exonerate the security lapses within the state department that left our people vulnerable.
i agree with mike that however the intelligence indicates that al qaeda was involved but there were also plenty of people and militias that were unaffiliated with al qaeda that were involved. >> so bob, i'll start with you because we talked about this over the weekend on e-mail. the story praised for journalism and for the writing and the detail that dividend kirkpatrick was able -- that david kirkpatrick was able to detail, but many say the story is not accurate, do you think "the new york times" is left without a story here. >> plenty of story. they had plenty of story. i hope everybody here read it. let's rememberal sherria is a libya based organization. it is like a mcdonald's burger. there is no core al qaeda any more. they are gone. they are running independent operations and adon'ted the well-known name. democrat sitting on a committee,
both investigating with the same investigation at their finger tips who dispute a report in the new york times, do you not think that is valid. >> it is a bipartisan situation when you have democrats and republicans both on the house intel committee saying it was al qaeda related. you have the number two guy who was stevens, the ambassador, there saying there was no video situation. it had nothing to do with the video. and you also have an independent analysis of social media saying there is no mention of this anti-muslim video even 24 hours after 9/11. but it is not about the video for me. for me it is about on 9/11 we had a planned and coordinated attack against our guys. we did not have the security, we did not go in to save them. the president, no one know where's he was that night. he flew off to a fund raiser the next day and now they are wishy washy about terrorism and this whole nonsense.
what was the ambassador doing in benghazi to beg>> that is a goo >> no one knows. so there is a lot of unanswered questions. >> it does seem like the cia has some things to answer for. >> they do. and petraeus left soon afterwards. >> and so does "the new york times," because the only thing amazing is that it was amazingly inaccurate. >> you think "the new york times" made this up? >> i didn't say they made it up. >> [ inaudible ]. >> this is such high-priced journalism because it is lacking factual justice. bob your education can begin right now. there was a name chosen by osama bin laden because they had to rebrand al qaeda. these are documented seize the by the navy s.e.a.l.s at his compound where he was killed. deal with this bob. >> why do you say that? >> because that is the fact. that serria is the name osama bin laden chose when he
rebrowned al qaeda. that is a fact. >> let me get jediddia in here because i want to ask about the timing of the story. i think the editor of the new york times with the tweet said this is done now, we are our cocktail party talking point, anybody who thinks benghazi is a story is insane and now it seems they have stepped on their own story. >> they have to clear the way for hillary clinton also, remember. so she's tied into this in a bad way, making bizarre staples, lack of -- business air statements, lack of leadership and they have to pass or suggest that it is spontaneous because that takes the blame off of them. there is plenty they could have done. there was repeated request for additional security that weren't filled. eight and a half hours where no one assisted. the state department is accountable for that. >> are you suggesting that the new york times got together and said let's do a story that
exonerated hillary clinton. >> the guy, david kirkpatrick who they chose to do the investigation, if you look back on 9/11 -- 2012, he wrote an argument anger over film attacks libya and egypt. he was already putting the blame on -- and they sent him out to prove his own point. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i still think that is interesting. >> they have more resource than isis had. >> and this reporting contradicts previous reporting by the new york times that mow ma'am add jammal, that al qaeda was involved in the attack. >> i understand they did an investigative piece. dallas definitive. >> it is not definitive. it has raised more questions again and brought it to a point where -- the families, i think
they deserve some answers. and the idea of the video, let's just say that a video sparks a riot, are we in america where we say you are excused for rioting because of a video. you are not in trouble, we're not going to arrest you, we're going to arrest the person who exercised free speech. what have we become if that is -- >> do you really think this is going to have any impact on the elections in 2016 for hillary clinton? >> i think it will become an issue that is partisan from here on out for decades to come, republicans will think there was a shady cover-up and the democrats will always think the republicans are crazy for thinking so and if you are n independent person thinking about who to vote to, this might tip away from hillary clinton. and her impeerus attitude at that hearing is what turns people off. she has to watch it. >> you think after 27 hearings, issa could come up with a
report? [ overlapping speakers ] >> you are a knee-jerk defender. >> it was on osama bin laden's computer. he wanted to change the name of al qaeda that was confiscated from his home in the pakistan city after his death and the letter are revealed that the organization needs to be remarketed and change its name to include the new organization so as to not be linked to the activities of al qaeda. >> but we have to go. >> and that was in place before osama bin laden wrote that. >> it has been a fascinating session. coming up -- an alarming new example that lets the media do their best for -- race based. don't go away. ♪ i wanna spreaa little love this year ♪
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it seems as though the left wing media is back to stirring the race pot. we'll highlight a couple of examples. first up, check out washington post columnist eugene robinson sparking outrage with his prediction for 2014. >> in one huge story in 2013, that we kind of don't mention was the acquittal of george zimmerman and the racial issues and conflict that remain just under the surface that bubble up from time to time that erupt, and i think you can predict we'll have more eruptions in 2014. we come to big anniversaries of the civil war, big anniversaries
of the eman sipation. >> kimberly, i have to ask, why do some in media refuse to acknowledge they play a role in this race. when the george zimmerman trial came out, they made it about race. why can't they just assess themself as part of the problem. >> there is no self inflection. they came down to earth without the chip. you can try to keep pressing um on the remote control and it won't work. it is safer and easier and more mentally convenient for them to cast it out and not say they have a role in it and now i think the prediction will be that we'll see more of this in 2014, because -- guess what -- it worked. they got play off of it and they will keep riding it until it won't work for them and they'll go to something else. >> now i want to play a similar clip that will cause quite a bit
of discussion. melissa harris had quite a things to say about mitt romney. >> a lot of people had emotions about this baby picture this year, this is the romney family. and of course they are on governor -- on his knee is his adopted grandson who is an adopted african-american child, kieran romney and any captions for this one? >> i think this picture is great. it sums up the diversity of the republican party. >> this is -- to me, this is beyond the pail. i have to ask you, should she get a pass for that? >> no. let me say one thing, george zimmerman was a cop want to be ratist who murdered a kid and should be in jail. it is absolutely outrageous. the number of black people in america that want a family and couldn't find a family, it would be nice if they were all in african-american families but
they don't have enough people to adopt. the idea of them taking this on is a very, very healthy thing for them to do and it is beyond the pail. i do not want to associate myself -- most liberals wouldn't agree with what she said and i certainly don't. >> this talk about the gop isn't diverse, we have alan west, jim scott, michael steel, on and on about how the republican party does have dif eshsity so this is an idiotic point but the left keeps making it that and why do they keep going to that? >> look at the last republicans, cheney's daughter was a lesbian, mccain adopted a girl from bangladesh, romney adopted a black child, it doesn't fit the characteristics of a white republican and they try to demonize and mock, but i'm personally offensed because my uncle adopted a black child,
okay. this kid, this boy who is now an adult, was in family photos. there is nothing funny about that. there is nothing weird about that. we love him and he's part of the family. so what nbc news is doing right here, they are not just making fun of romney, they are making fun of this little boy. when this little boy is older, is he going to watch this video, what is he going to think. it is sad to me. >> it is sad. dana, i want to ask you, former press secretary and you have experience of handling things like that. >> well no unever said something like that. >> but in terms of response, should we acknowledge something like this or ignore it? what is the best way to response. >> think we have to thank the group the right scoop, they are the ones who actually watch msnbc and they point these things out. needy children need loving parents. think we should all be able to agree with that as americans. and so i do wonder if that had been a gay couple that had adopted a black wild, would they
have made fun of them. i think the answer is absolutely not. so i think the liberals who laugh about something like what she said and make fun of republicans who need to have more diversity in the party and reach out, some self-reflection on the liberal's part would -- be appropriate. >> i agree. >> i think the way the panel to make fun of and the generosity of the spirit of the romney family and i'm sure this child will be delighted to be part of a loving and spiritual family and the fact that they belittled that is shameful. i don't know why she still has a job there, actually. >> it is not funny. there is nothing funny about it. it is bad comedy. directly ahead, is black monday in the nfl and heads are rolling. which coaches were sent home in a blood bath of pink slips today. we have the surprising details in the football frenzy next. i always say be the man withhe plan
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it is a dark day in the nfl with the arrival of black monday, the day immediately after the regular season closes when failed teams clean house. and here is a sobering thought for coaches everywhere. two years to make the playoffs is too much. so far five head coaches have gotten the ax. redskins coach mike shanahan, leslie fraser, brown's coach, tampa bay buc's coach and the line yoez coach jim schwartz. who could be the next to fall? now bob, you are a redskins fan. which is racist by the way. that logo is very racist. shanahan had a strange relationship with rg3, he put him in the game last year and
got hurt, there was a trust situation there, they were 3-13, won the nfc last year and now 3-13 is pathetic. what happened there. >> part of it is that his own son was the offensive coordinator. which is not a good idea. but redskins fans have no patience to wait. the redskins have been rebuilding and top draft choices, they've done ranlly -- reasonably well with them. i don't think shanahan was the right coach but we have to do it over again. we've had seven coaches in about ten years and if you don't win, after two seasons, goodbye. >> i like mike shanahan. i think he is a great football coach. his roots are starting out as an offensive coordinator and he's worked for the 49ers and the raiders, west coast -- >> and you're a niners fan? >> i am a niners fan. i don't think it is best -- it
is good to change it up a bit because he's dominant in putting forward his opinion in how the offense should run. so i think sometimes two minds that are different might help. >> and giants fan, do i have that right? >> that is correct. i'm embarrassed about it. >> i don't know if that coach will make it out of the day. coughlin has had two super bowl rings and eli had trouble. do you feel bad for these coaches? >> no. they make way too much money for me to feel bad for them. you have to have accountability and if you don't urks get paid -- you get paid a lot of money. you go off and wind up coaching another team. but accountability is the name of the gay. >> it is prefreshing seeing guys under performing getting the ax. it doesn't happen enough in this country, certainly not in washington. >> and dana, broncos andelway fan.
>> yes. i remember sammy winder. >> do you remember him? >> no. >> i'm a big eagles fan. got the win. >> i said at the beginning of the season, i think the broncos will go to the super bowl and i think i'll be proven right. >> and now predictions for the super bowl. i'm going eelg in the super bowl -- i'm going eagles, obviously, probably going to play the broncos, cold weather scenario, what will happen? >> broncos versus the seahawks and broncos will win by two touchdowns. >> you are betting on that? >> sure. >> i will never go against a man especially when it is peyton manning. so denver by 7. >> and broncos and seahawks, bronx are -- broncos are going to win. >> and kimberly was here, i
chose the broncos. >> but you weren't sure whether they were football or basketball teams. >> i didn't know if they were the same division. >> are the broncos in the playoffs? >> i did learn to confirm they made it in. >> you love the broncos so much, she buys her cars frommelway. coming up, one of the favorite people on the plantet, kenanye west ends his tour with rant. bob has a lot to say about his rant, don't go away. >> including changing his name.
>> and this year, this might be the last time i [ bleep ] for a long time. maybe like six months. this is the last time i will say anything negative about anyone. you only get the energy you put out into the world. >> anyone want to place a bet on how long this negative free zone lasts? >> i don't mind when he rants. i have a problem when he compares himself, like to god, thomas edison, disney -- >> greg gutfeld. >> i think kenye needs to be kenye and be comfortable with him. and don't hate on him. he has some good songs. >> you just like the video with kim on the motorcycle. >> i have never seen that, i don't know what you are talking. >> i have to say, kim card
ush -- kardashian. >> i think he is talented. if you look at forbes, his net worth, he's worth about $35 million, he's ranked fourth in terms of hip-hop stars and so he is talented and writes his own lyrics as well. they are a unifying force together. they are a whole marketing brand and they seem to do quite well in business. other than that, bob, we talked about them quite a bit on this show so they are doing something right. >> even though brains don't matter. >> i wish they each got a little bit of humility injected. >> gee, what a thought. >> i don't know how you get this. my parents were good to me and boosted myself esteem but i don't know how you go from good self-esteem, to larger than life. i think they need a little humilities. >> they gave their daughter who is 6 months old a lamborghini for christmas -- the mock lamborghini which she can drive
because her daddy has a lamborghini. >> that is why i had a john deere tractor. >> does anybody know what they do for good works? >> i'm sure they'll come up with a big list for you. >> but i agree, they have a unique opportunity to engage in charitable work and do things to change other people's live and i suggest children is a great place to start. >> no, she did that whole thing where she did the auction and gave 10 cents away. if they don't want to give to charity, that is fine. if they just want to make a bunch of money and be on the cover of the magazine, i don't care. >> keenon, whatever part of the campus you're on, good luck. one more thing is up next. >> north, south, east, west. [ male announcer ] this store knows how to handle a saturday crowd.
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9:00 p.m. eastern me and the big daddy over here are kicking it off. >> we aren't talking about benghazi. >> we might. >> i'll shoot you. >> but we have a fox news first and exclusive with duck dynasty willie and cory and that will be handled by bill hammer and our very own elizabeth hasselbeck. and we are excited to have that first here and on fox. it is a great night. we have bill elizabeth, eleven thal, and jessie's bff, and of course mr. bob and myself. so it will be great. i've been down there many years before but i'm moving on up and i'm with bob and we are handling an hour by ourselves. >> it is going to be cold, baby. >> we'll snuggle together. dana. >> i couple of weeks ago i went
to see kathy lee and her husband frank gifford and he participated in her new podcast, it is kathy lee and company, she talked about a wide range of topics. one of them was "the five." she is a fan. and i talked about bob. listen. >> bob beckel and i used to take the train back together. >> i heard you talking about that the other day. >> and yesterday we went to the 21 club for the wonderful christmas brunch and he has become a very good friend. i've learned a lot we marvel at the fact that we are the same species and we think so completely differently about the world. >> but there are a lot of different topics and "the five," so thanks kathy lee for having me on. >> bob is crying over there. >> in what i think is a cashmere scarf and i'm not sure where he got it. a christmas gift for me. >> beyonce has a new song, xo,
which is causing controversy. >> my controllers looking at the situation. obviously a major malfunction. >> so what they did there was they sampled some audio from a nasa official, 1986 when the challenger crashed after liftoff. now seven crew members died that day and now the widows are speaking outish ug a statement that they are very distraught and saddened by the fact the pop star would use that in a pop song. and beyonce has come out and tried to defend it and saying she was trying to honor the challenger. if it was up to me, i would drop the sample from the song, but that is just me. i'm not a pop star. >> cashmere bob is next. >> i'm going to bypass my one more thing because we don't have much time and i'll have jedediah say something but i want to take this tunlt to wish andrea
tantaros a happy birthday. she is 26 years old. and we do miss you and happy birthday to you. if you were here, you would have a cake just like i did. >> that was very nice. >> happy birthdayandrea. >> i want to close with something about gratitude. parents you should teach your children to be grateful, they have better benefits, higher gpa, lower levels of depression and teach your kids to say thank you. >> an attitude of gratitude. >> here on "the five," set your dvr so you never miss an episode. we'll tell you about the numbers that are not being celebrated in the year. this is special report.
and good evening. i'm ron roberts in for bret bai baier. if you make a list happy to see 2013 in the rearview mirror, president obama is close to the top of the list. almost three months after the disastrous rollout of his nak sake health care plan, new statistics indicate more people are signing up. but there is more to the story behind the numbers. white houseor