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isis appears to have behead another u.s. journeyist. steven sotloff who went missing last year. it shows 31-year-old sotloff being held at knife point by another mass excutioner. james rosen asked the state department today if the united states is at war with isis. >> does the obama administration consider this an act of war? >> we certainly -- i'm not is
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going to put new labels on it, james. >> is there any doubt on your part or the part of this administration the fact that the united states is at war with isis. >> i will not again put labels on it. >> fox's catherine harris has watched the video. she said the executioner directly mentions president obama by name. catherine, i know that must not have been an easy video to watch but important for somebody like you a journalist. if you could tell us your thoughts and reflections here. >> reporter: thank you. the video, to me, has several layers of messages beyond the obvious which is the apparent execution of a second american journalist. as you see that still image from the video it's really a carbon copy of what we saw two weeks ago with the execution of another journalist james foley. the subject is kneeling wearing the orange jump suit which is
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symbolic, synonymous with guantanamo bay. he gives a statement which i emphasize was given under duress where he denounces america's foreign policy and the executioner, i think it's a significant difference has a more aggressive tone and posture in this video and speaks directly to the president in a somewhat disrespectful manner saying, "obama, this is your fault, your policies are to blame for the death of your people." then there's a graphic image of the beginning of the act of the beheading and then it cuts away and comes back with just a horrific image of a head that's been laid on top of a bloody body and then just like we saw in the foley video, we see another hostage believed to be a british citizen, and the executioner this time does not say that he's next but he certainly implies that by saying
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or issuing a warning to other nations who would join any international coalition with the united states against isis, dana. >> i watched both of those videos. they are very similar, the foley video and sotloff video is very similar. this killer makes demands. points the knife at the camera. in this video he says president obama. he's very demanding. he said stop the bombing. if you continue to kill our people we'll put the knife to the throats of american people. he becomes more emboldened. do you think they will continue to behead americans, brits, whoever else they are holding as long as we continue to drop bombs on certain parts of people within isis? and do you think that's going to continue to embolden them even further? >> reporter: well, what i can tell you is that this video
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really fits the definition for terrorism. terrorism is an act of violence to promote a political end. so what we're now seeing for a second time in this propaganda video is the execution of an individual that is meant to change u.s. foreign policy. what will have the attention of analysts who are looking at this video is not so much i'm sad to say whether or not this is indeed steven sotloff but rather the identification of this executioner. this video of shot at a slightly different angle making it harder to discern whether it is, in fact, the same individual, and the voice seems to have been modulated or doctored because it doesn't seem exactly the same. and the final point i would make is when you look at these videos, these are highly produced, slick videos. this is done by a team with training and i would add on a practical note that the kind of equipment typically you need for
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this does not do well in a sandy environment. so this is a professional group and is very well thought out as well. >> andrea >> catherine, you mentioned earlier you get this sense they are or could be keeping these hostages in the same place. in the same location. what does that tell you? i mean, do you think they could have deliberately tried to move the camera angle and disguise the executioner's voice to make it seem like it's somebody different? what's your sense? >> reporter: look the video is meant to convey several messages. that's my experience with this issue for the better part of 15 years now. we saw this with anwar al aulaqi. he would give these sermons to give the impression they are the big man but you find out later he recorded his message in a closet with a macbook pro.
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. based on some recent reporting through a pentagon official at least the information in the summer is that it seems several of the hostages were held together. they identified what they thought was foley's location near the capital of isis in syria and they believed other potential captives were there as well. from personal experience, in order to maintain a system where you can protect the hostages, because this is a war zone, can you prevent them from escaping, you have to feed them, you have to keep them reasonably healthy because if they are dead they are not of any currency to you. this takes a system, it takes organization, and it takes a significant number of people. so this is a major investment by isis and i would argue for the virtue of its propaganda value. >> greg >> catherine, it's greg. the modern phenomenon of social media has made a singular
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execution from a propaganda standpoint on par with a massive military power that is the united states. and i'm just wondering and maybe it's naval gazing whether making of such videos encourages such behavior. >> reporter: there's no doubt one of the developments we've seen with radical islamist groups in the last five years and it began with the cleric in yemen, is the use of social media almost as the life blood of the digital jihad. this is how they connect with their audience. this is how they help sort of pour gasoline on the fire of radicalism for people who have not yet traveled to the region. so it's a very powerful tool for them. and they are very aware of how it plays in the media coverage. that seemed clear in the delivery of the message by the young man we believe to be sotloff before he was executed, and then also by the
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executioner, because you can really discern almost the timing in this video, because the warning to other nations not to draw or not be drawn into a coalition with the united states, this is a very contemporary reference, this seems to jobly within the last ten days. so somewhat after the foley video was taped and if you compare the images of the individuals who are said to be sotloff, what you see is that sotloff has more of a stubble on his chin and his hair is a little bit longer, so also indicating that there may have been a fairly significant time lapse between the two events. >> possibly also one of the reason that president obama did not speak today, did not fuel that fire. >> catherine, bob beckel. two questions, do we know how many hostages are now in the hands of isis, one. and two, do you get a sense or
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do they care that these kind of barbaric acts really are what's drawing the world together against them as opposed -- maybe attracting radical islamist from the world to join their cause, but it seems to me to be a terrible public relations effort on their part? . >> reporter: you hit on something important there, bob because i can't speak or get inside the mind of a terrorist but the significant difference between these videos and what we saw with al qaeda in iraq about a decade ago is that the act itself or the completion of the execution in the most recent video was not shown because they understand at some level that for obvious reasons it's horrific and it's a turn off to many people and has that power to galvanize nations and individuals against them. remind me the first question again, bob. >> how many other -- >> reporter: right, sorry, i remember now.
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>> how many are being held hostage? >> reporter: believed up until today that there were at least two other americans. there's this female aid worker from the west coast who is about 26 years old who has been missing for a year, but we believe that there may be a half-dozen more foreign nationals and, again, it's the nationals of the united states, britain and any other nation that seems to band together with the united states that will have the most value to this organization. >> catherine, we have time for one last question with you. i want to ask you about the scoop you had today. you broke the story regarding the president's daily brief, the pdb. can you explain what you learned and how that fits into the overall news of the latest news cycle especially with this beheading. >> reporter: well former pentagon official confirmed to me that there was very specific intelligence about the growth of isis and that this information
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had been included in the president's daily brief, not every day, but on a consistent basis for the better part of a year. so this really goes against the idea that the intelligence was bad or that somehow the administration was blindsided. and it goes to show -- it feels like a revolt within the military and intelligence community because it's highly unusual for people to speak privately about these matters, but they feel that the information was there, and that the military and intelligence community had excellent data, especially on targets in that part of the world, but for whatever reason there was a failure to act on that information. >> all right. bob, you have one last question? >> i do, catherine. there's intelligence that was in this brief, or briefs that did
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not say -- do you have the scope of how far they would move or where they would move. there were a growing number of people joining isis and knew where their locations were but the president said that the intelligence community had not -- nobody had an idea how quickly they would move. you guys get a sense your source said that? >> reporter: i think that there's a real disconnect on this. people were surprised how quickly they moved but people who work in this area understood that this organization had laid the ground work for what happened in june and it was by design and not by accident. >> all right. catherine, we'll leave it there and continue our discussion. all right. who wants to talk more about this pdb, isis. i'm back, i'm new, i'm fresh. erick >> there are a couple of comments. so we know now, now know hat the
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president has been at least briefed more than a year now, he's known that his people were concerned about the ongoing and increasing threat of isis and yet four days ago he said, five days ago he said we still don't have a strategy. that's concerning. it's concerning for a number of reasons. the american people should be outraged. democrats, everyone should be outraged after a year we still don't have a strategy. our military is over there risking their lives with no strategy from the commander-in-chief. very, very concerning. but what ends up happening is, foley gets beheaded. right? then the president comes out a week later and says we don't have a strategy. then isis comes and beheads whatever period of time but they come out with a video showing the beheading of sotloff. you don't think we're sending a message over tory terrorist in the world or want to be jihadist in the world, already muslim or not or afghani or pakistani or british or australian, whom ever
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that we aren't the ones who are winning this war on terror. they are winning. it's time to step up and eradicate the scum of the work. bob, you have to say the president screwed up. if you don't have a strategy don't broadcast it to the world. >> what they said when he did this beheading because the united states was bombing them on a regular basis no one should join in on that bombing. clearly they have acted. when you say we have no strategy. >> i didn't say that. >> he was talking about syria. he was not talk did bush >> he was talking about isis. >> he was talking about syria. go ahead. we can argue this. it was about syria. i don't believe anybody had a strategy at this point what to do about syria. >> the military would disagree. that's the biggest problem right now is general boykin was on fox
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earlier and gave an interview and i would go a step further than just concerning but infuriating if i'm at the department of defense. they said we have a strategy on this. we have a strategy to teal with this. the president doesn't want to implement this. if you're at the cia you have to be infuriated. it's obvious they are leaking information, president obama knew about this threat. if you're at the intelligence bureau we tried to tell you now you're throwing us under the bus. don't think that the terrorists aren't savvy enough to see we're on different pages. it's upsetting. we've also seen the president act in harsher terms and use harsher recognize against republicans, mitt romney, yes, you mentioned israel, hobby lobby. james rosen asked the state department if they were willing to declare war and that's very difficult for them to do because memorial day 2013, remember the president said there's no war on
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terror, period. >> the department of defense strategy is purely and simply this, locate the bombs. >> i'm happy the u.n. is finally investigating isis now that ferguson died down. where's jeh johnson head of department of defense. amelia earhart is more visible than him. i understand where president obama is coming from because when he became president this was not his priority. he was more concerned about rising tides than rising terror. he'll always be dragged to table on this stuff. it's a shame. you don't pick your battles in the world. the world picks you. you can't go off because it's just not in your wheelhouse. we keep waiting. this is a bigger point. we keep waiting for the do me domestication of radical islam.
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in this case it's tame, goes away, comes back. this might be the point, this might be that watershed moment when arabic countries have to decide that they have to domesticate this element of their own ideology, to tame thevilthe vilest parts. >> and the only country, the only country that's bombing these guys 24/7 is the united states of america. >> let me ask you this, bob. you say syria is the most important part. it's the heart beat of isis, right? islamic state capital, where all their decision-making is, where abu bakr al-baghdadi is. why are we not -- we have a map. we have a map drawn where we can see exactly where isis is, right? >> it's my hope that this -- >> the whisper is female journalist in d.c. has already been beheaded.
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>> they are beheading these people because we're taking action against them. >> you really believe that? >> absolutely. >> you think if we wouldn't take any actions we would sit on our hand, they would pack up their weapons and go back to their case. >> no. you said sitting on their hands. they have been bombing for 22 days. >> they have been killing for hundreds of years whether we bomb them or not. >> what's your answer? what's your answer? >> bomb the hell out of them and obliterate them. >> we're not bombing the hell out of them. we've done 120 bombing expeditions. you want to do a message, do 120 a day. >> there were 80 yesterday. >> go into syria. >> that's a good idea. >> let's go. >> the idea we're not is silly. it's uninformed. >> i get to make the last
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comment. to andrea's moment. may in 2013 where the administration said there's no global war on terror. the problem with state department in answering the question is united states at war with isis is if you answer that then are we at war with al shahria, with al shabaab, then you're up to a global war on terror. which we have invested in. >> i find that amazing they won't say that. >> it's very weird because just last week when they were asked about foley they said yes that was an act of terror against the united states. >> i don't get it. >> if the intel community is not on the same page, the communicate jobs that direction comes from the top. ahead on "the five," british prime minister david cameron is calling for tougher anti-terrorism laws. greg is not sure that is the solution to the problem and he'll tell us when we come back. [ female announcer ] you get sick, you can't breathe through your nose...
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david cameron spoke yesterday on stopping isis. let's hope he has a new approach tackling radicalization focusing on all types of extremism not vuft violent extremism. >> we have a new approach attacking extremism, all extremism. that's banning hate speeches and not ad hearing to british values is not an option or choice it's a duty for all those who live in these islands. >> about time. england is the neighbor who realized there's a corpse in its basement. because of islama phobia england has tolerated the most 1400 female victims were assaulted by pakistani man. fear of bigotry smear prohibited the prosecution. what is cameron suggesting? blocking travel to and from terror zones. i'm for the from part not the to. let them go. take advantage of the unifying nature of isis that attracts all
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of earth's losers to one place where we martyr them speeding up their gruesome entry into the after life. cameron wants to ban the hate speechers. as england wakes up to this threat remember those who sounded the alarm who were mocked about the coming caliphate. as others laughed, isis was forming and girls were raped. that joke is not funny at. andrea, what do you make on the temporary ban on hate speechers. >> i agree with you. let them preach hate. at least as you point out we know where they are and spy on them like crazy like the nypd here in new york city. that is until bill de blasio decided we needed to stop doing that. why would they want to deep jihadists in the uk. let them go. monitor them. kill them when you trace them and if they try to come back arrest them.
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i can see why david cameron is in a bit of political trouble. the way he's reacting to his own political situation is not a smart one with this type of policy. >> bob, do you think he's playing catch up at this point because the country in a way has been paralyzed when it came to their own radicalism in their own country and it seems we got to do something. >> they allowed to let this happen when they opened their borders. first of all, i was glad to see he supports what the united states is doing, bombing in iraq and he said we may, we may join up with them. the other thing he said, he announced a different things on passport and things that are included in the patriot act. that part i think is a good idea. they are playing catch up not just in their own country, catch up to us. >> erick, bob brings up a good point. england hasn't started bombing yet. >> they haven't done anything yet.
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they sent a little bit of support. i believe they said they were going to begin that very soon. remember this terrorist literally said the next one is this mr. haynes guy who is a uk journalist as well, he's next in line for behaegd. playing catch up that's the understatement all time. there are zones in the uk called no go zones where cops won't go into the neighborhood because they are heavily muslim, sharia law. they can but they don't. it supersedes their own constitution. germany said they would send heavy artillery. germany is sending tanks and big guns. so maybe it's time for the rest of europe to step up dean it as well. here we go, we don't like boots on the ground, put uk boots on
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the ground. a lot of these isis fighters are coming from the >> dana i want to ask you about the scandal, the sexual abuse, 400 girls over 16 years old by pakistani. the guy who broke the story was forced to take a diversity course. >> not only you can be relegated to a course on diversity, you can be arrested. they are walking on pc egg shells. you might not have seen this article it was in "the guardian." on the front page of the guardian. i met the author over the summer. very courageous and brave. i knew her as a business women. i did not know she was a victim of repeated victimization of
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pedophilea and the like. she said it's so underreported because the backlash against her or people that bring it up is so intense that they basically try to ignore it. i think she's extremely brave and i encourage people to read her sorry that we can find on our facebook page. very brave for her to say something. if i were david cameron they should take it one step further. if you leave to go to syria then you automatically have your passport revoked and stateless. you don't get to come back to democracy and they need to take it one step further, the families of those people that are living in britain should be deported as well or at least the threat of deportation so mom, dad, sister, brother they have to leave too. >> all right. dana perino, tough. ahead on the five, president obama, joe biden this weekend what was on their minds? it's not what you thin
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♪ at a label rally in milwaukee president obama dusted off what sound like an economic speech from the 2012 campaign trail in an attempt to fire up the democrat base ahead of the mid-terms and gin up the support for minimum wage. >> america is on the move it's making progress. there are workers who have jobs that didn't have them before. there are families with health insurance that didn't have them before. there are students going to college who count afford it before. troops in afghanistan who are coming home. citizens made a bad choice, hope for a better choice. hope gives us courage. >> the president also claims in order to get fair pay got to join a union. >> you know what?
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if i were looking for a good job, that let's me build some security for my family, i would join a union. if i were busting my butt in the service industry and wanted an honest day's pay for an honest day's work i would join a union. >> before we get to bobby who is beaming like a proud papa. your thoughts on president obama's labor day speech raising the minimum wage that's the theme of the week. >> and he tried to convince us that the economy is doing very, very well. i can understand it's better than 2008 when he took over but that's like saying we were on life support and now we're still in the hospital in critical condition. he needs to rally the base. as we've seen in many states, erick, when you give onemployees opportunity to leave the union many are leaving. i find it fascinating this is the message that they are taking into the mid-term elections.
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economy has been static and anemic. they are not embracing obamacare and they can't. but to stand up in front of that crowd as he's ready to sign executive orders on immigration the one issue if you talk to most blue collar union workers has them petrified i find to be head spinning. one thing you ask them, what will threaten union jobs, it's immigration. and letting these people immigrate, letting grants come in and take jobs away from americans. >> bob, if unions are so great why is their membership dwindling. >> it's gone down because it's a less and less friendly environment. in some cases unions are not necessary. it's a union rally. what do you expect him to do? talk about corporate profits. this is labor day. of course you're going to labor union meetings and going to say
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those kinds of things. makes enormous amount of sense. dana? >> i would say his policies on health care and energy would eat up any of the extra take home pay that somebody makes minimum wage would make. >> greg, your thought? >> i think the biggest message here isn't what he was saying is how he was saying it. the passion that he has for internal battles is striking compared to the passion that he might express towards our enemy which could unite americans. if he showed that same passion when discussing the role of global terror in our lives it's missing. this is what he cares about. this is what he enjoys. he shows passion only for those who support his policies. the rest of us can go to hell. >> nude photographs of a-list celebrities are hacked online. we'll tell you which stars. could this happen to you and how do you probe text yourself from online hackers next on "the
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♪ now to the celebrity hacking scandal. the fbi has joined the investigation to figure out how hundreds of photos of female celebrities in the nude got leaked online. among the victims, actress jennifer lawrence, kate upon the, and more. there have been questions about whether apple's icloud was hacked into but the company says it hasn't discovered a breach in its investigation. okay, greg. here's how i see it. these women took these pictures, never expecting them to get hacked. they are victims, though, and they are taking a lot of heat for taking these pictures in the first place. people are saying why would you do this. that's like saying don't buy expensive jewelry and keep it in your house and you have a bad lock and we'll blame you not the robber.
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>> it's theft. the person who does it has to go to jail. when there's new technology there's mischief. when there were telephones there were crank calls. there's new technology that we shouldn't trust. in this case this is like -- this is what happened. they got to find the person, got to put them away for a long time. you know who is a big winner? polaroid. got to bring back the instant camera. >> they have that. >> that's what you have to do. >> which would create a lot of jobs in upstate new york, in rochester. i want to ask you about journalistic integrity. so paris hilton posted these pictures immediately of these women not censored. if you were on twitter at the time you could see all of it. an hour later he said i'm keeping them up and censoring. an hour later he said i'm taking them down. should these sites have posted these women fully nude. >> i'm not sure if perez hit and
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journalistic integrity should go in the same sentence. he's not a journalist with integrity. i just wonder does the fbi really need to be involved? i understand it's a crime -- i feel like the fbi has a lot to do with tracking down terrorists and i don't know if we need to spend time on this. besides they look great. maybe that's a plus. >> dana, if it were you, you would say differently. >> it's never going to be me. >> you can't say it. they did look very, very good. erick, where was all the cries for privacy when sarah palin's e-mail was hacked in 2008? >> i want the fbi in on this. now it's pictures, tomorrow it's bank account numbers and other important documents. i agree with greg. they need to prosecute this guy to the fullest extent. one of the hackers got ten
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years, give this guy 100 years. mary elizabeth williams wrote a nice piece. >> that's edward. >> correct. her point is this don't look at the leaked news. if you're against this which most of us are don't look them. >> it's too late. >> but the point -- >> you're a better person. >> here's the other issue. you have this opportunity to go search them out. you watch the isis beheading videos. if you're against these things don't perpetrate it by looking at them. >> i agree. i think this is an invasion of privacy beyond belief. they ought to be prosecuted for it. i have not looked at the pictures. only good news is nobody will ever hack into mine. >> we hope not. >> is that a challenge? >> don't look at them. >> if you have an icloud it's between your mattress. >> if these celebrities didn't want their emails looked at they should go work at the irs. still to come the mid-term
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little over two months away and i have some democrats who hope to retain control of the senate. good luck. let me put it this way. there are three seats are already gone held by democrats now, west virginia, montana, south dakota. so you're down to three. i think the best advice i would give if i were still in the business, try as best you cannot to have this race nationalized. if it's nationalized it's a referendum on obama. and hope the best you can your opponent will continue -- concentrate on obamacare. >> other issues, $4 gallon gasoline, five million immigrants will be signed into the u.n. you have 60 days, don't blow it.
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you're not trying hard enough republicans stay on it. go after it. >> which is what republicans tend to do too much. >> yeah. $4 gasoline, 5 million illegals and obama has no foreign policy strategy. >> i agree with you, bob. if you're a republican prepare for the democrats to overreach because they are desperate. so you had in alaska this weekend on friday an incumbent senator a democrat in the fight of his life issued an ad that was egregious regarding the horrible crime involving the child and two grandparents. the ad was pulled back. he was forced to pull it. jesse t. smith of alabama a democrat who is challenging a republican said that republicans are worse than isis. so let the democrats overreach because it makes them look as ridiculous as ever.
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>> greg. >> i'm interested in having you hear my respond. i think republicans could win if they bring up obamacare, just drop the care part. and democrats can win pretending not to be democrats, pretend to be republicans, don't bring up anything you believe in. like your hatred of coal, or global warming because people know you're full of hot air. keystone. immigration. all the things that you guys champion you must put into a chest and bury it. the only thing left, hope for a republican to say something dumb about women. >> they will. >> that was my piece of advice. the republicans never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. they are just waiting for them to say something about a woman's sex life, her libido, rape, legitimate rape. so don't mess it up. don't say anything stupid.
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♪ it's time for one more thing. erick is going to start. >> very quickly, vladimir putin mentioned nukes when he talks about his situation there. we have no strategy for isis but hat tip to the daily caller who found our secretary of state very busy finding a strategy for his kite boarding in nantucket. congress will come back next week. they will be here for two weeks and then after being off for five weeks they will be off for another six weeks going into the election. >> some people think that's a good thing. >> it probably is. do we have to pay them all that money. >> greg, you're next. >> i haven't done one of these in a while. i hate these people. you know what bugs me when you go, you get a box of chocolates,
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like a gift and people come and i guess you're not going to show it. they keep coming over there. they try the chocolates. looking for a specific chocolate. they don't like the one they pick and think i'll put it back in and no one will notice. you know what? i hate these people. i also hate these rodents who do the same thing. the last time i buy captain sparkle's chocolates. >> i can see why you hate these people. >> is that backwards. >> i have no idea. >> put it back in gets a treat afterwards. >> since the beheading of american journalist james foley a number of hollywood celebrities and media outlets american media outlets have spent more time condemning former presidents or people like me for trying to honestly explain the threat of isis and radical islamic terrorism. erick roberts is the latest one. he took to twitter last night and said w. killed james jolly.
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george w. bush. he is the forgotten president as we forget and block severe trauma. barack obama stands for compassion. i would encourage these celebrities and others that decided to spend their energy twisting and manipulating my words, their fury directed at me as another american one of their own was another beheaded. stand with me or become a war room for them. choice is yours. >> miley cyrus said the original twerker was elvis. it's true when he was on the ed sullivan show they had to cut him off from the waist down. miley, that's all he was moving not every other part of his a a nmn anatomy. >> i had a great summer.
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here's pictures of me and jasper. that's his friends grady. send your dvr so you never miss an episode of "the five." "special report" is up next. we'll see you tomorrow. this is a fox news alert. i'm bare baron washington. another brutal video unveiled by the terrorist army isis. this one purporting to show the beheading of a second american journalist. the murder of steven sotloff. there's dangerous challenges. isis terrorists in iraq and syria, along with that country's civil war. al qaeda terrorists in somalia, the dissolution of any semblance of order in libya


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