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. hello, everyone, i'm dana, along with kimberly, eric and greg. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." earlier today a prisoner swap between the united states and cuba set off the most significant warming in relations between our two countries in over half a century, president obama announced the details of the deal from the white house this afternoon. >> and the most significant changes in our policy in more than 50 years, we will end an outdated approach that for decades has failed to advance our interests and instead, will begin to normal it's our relations going forward.
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the u.s. will establish an embassy in havana, it will be easier for americans to travel to cuba. nobody represents american values better than the american people. >> marco rubio, a member of the senate foreign relations committee and the son of cuban immigrants said obama's decision will do nothing to help cubans who suffer under a communist regime. >> one of my greatest hopes is to live to see the nation of cuba and it's people become free and open and democratic. and that's exactly why "todatod announcement from the white house -- continuously abuses human rights, but it will not lead to assistance to those whose rights are being abused. it is just another concession to a tierny be the obama
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administration. >> bob menendez had some equally tough words for president obama. >> i fear that "todatoday's act also put at risk the thousands of americans that work overseas to support civil society, to advocate for access to information, to promote humanitarian services and promote democratic reforms. as to the president's broader policy announcements, i believe that it is misguided and fails to answer the nature of the regime in cuba that has exerted it's authoritarian control over the cuban people for 55 years. >> we should start by saying that we welcome home allan goss, he is a jewish aid worker, he was trying to help the cuban people and he had been held by the cuban government for many years. in fact he was the subject of several one more things on this program as we helped support his family and we're very glad that he is home back in his country,
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and with his family especially at this time of the holidays. there are some strong arguments on both sides of this. this ended allan gross's imprisonment, but at the same time, with a snap of the finger, president obama announced a normalization of relations with cuba, how -- where do you sit on this? because i have a feeling you might have a view that is interesting to people. >> so, immediately after it came out, there were a lot of conservatives saying what is he doing? obama, here he is, getting close to another communist country, another communist leader. i'm not on that bandwagon, i think this is a fantastic policy move by president obama, it was a long time coming. i love the idea of opening relations, opening markets with cub cuba, it's 90 miles off our shore, we're their number one food supplier, we supply a huge
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portion of the food they consume, and we're number 46 in the list of their export markets. that will only expand. this i think is a fantastic idea. before anyone just goes crazy at me for this. think about this for a second. we trade with china actively, china is one of our biggest trading partners, china's communist for the most part. they have a capital communism bent to them, they also have human rights violations, japan dropped bombs on us in 1944, 1945, and we're still trading with them as well. this time a pro free marketeer. >> i think he had no choice, though, but to make this deal,
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with oil prices going down, this could lead to economic collapse for cuba, for venezuela, so the time was right to have this -- i only hope that the people in cuba will only benefit from this, just like to the people of the united states, the economies will benefit. i at the same time abhor their dictatorial are jet stream. >> that is what's driven people like senator marco rubio and senator menendez, whose families have fled cuba, not so much of the the markets and the united states benefit, but about the people of cuba. that's why it's been so hard to get this done in congress until now. they're not even going through congress. >> i tell you what's been hard, it's been hard because the cuban american lobbyists have been very strong throughout the
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years, it's now getti tin ting diminished, we trade with china, we trade with saudi arabia, much more human rights violators. right now if there was ever a time to move in and do this, now is the time to do it, and the potential for the united states is enormous. >> do you think this is the first step, as he is the lame duck in his last two year years reorder diplomatic relations with countries that we have had as foes for many years? >> i am in the middle, i like the idea of normalization, because it's another place for me to drink, it's another warm beach that i can throw up on. and i like that. >> what about the people? >> also i'm tired of people bragging about their rare cuban
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cigars, now we can all get the cuban cigars. i'm sick of the guy at the bartebar telling me how much this cigar cost. the reason cuba is different is because they're in our hemisphere and for the past few years, thiey have been jerks. for 50 years, they have treated their people terribly, awful. i agree with you, the sanctions haven't worked and it is time for a change. but we have to walk into this with our eyes wide open. we have to walk in and say what the hell are we getting out of this? and this is where i'm going to answer your question about obama. i'm circumspect about any swap me does. i'm thinking he's going to put -- i just don't think he makes good deals. however there is a deal to be made. i want to see, unlike the left on twitter, i want to see
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starbucks there, i want to see a bank on every corner. but everybody's saying, oh, capitalism, as if that's worse than a squalid dictator ship, if you look at the pictures of downtown historic havana, it looks like a bombed out dresden. >> the idea that the businessmen are very refineded. and i would like to make this point again, the spanish in this country, the cubans and mexicans and puerto ricans have never exactly agreed on things, particularly this issue. >> what about the process of this, eric, which is once again, president obama not going through a new congress to see if they can get something done, but instead going in front of them and instead going, now i want to work with you afterwards? does that cause problems going
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into to the next two years. >> he promised he was going to do this, remember he talked about this four years ago, he said that was one of the things he would love to see, a normalizing, by the way it's not free and open trade just yet. we're going to work our way into it. >> jay-z and beyonce are happy. >> there will probably be some business opportunities in cuba. but the guy that comes from cuba says he doesn't like the deal, he may never have gotten this through congress, through senate, so he went ahead and did it. am i hypocrite dl to say i don't like what he did with immigration, but i do like this, call me a hypocrite, i'll accept that, but in this case, it's very, very good for u.s. business, it's fantastic for u.s. agriculture. they're going be able to produce more. already we're sending a ton of soybeans and corn. >> not for russia.
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>> because we're cutting into their influence. >> if only president obama could articulate it in that manner, because what we hear from him ask it's the right thing to do and that drives me nuts. >> we have been -- we have been wrong for 50 years, now it's the right thing to do, again, that invites suspicion. you've got to tell us why we were wrong. i mean, look. saying it's for the greater good brought us communism, it brought us mass debts. so you need to explain yourself and not influence people. especially the cubans here that they have been doing the wrong thing. if only president obama could talk to our adversaries, the way he talks to america. if he could just reverse that. he unites globally but divides locally. >> the communists that drove out the american business interests down there. >> it was kas free throw. -- castro. >> 50 years ago they had nuclear
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missiles pointed in our direction. >> this is really a good opportunity for the united states, like i was mentioning earlier to cut into that atmosphere of influence that russia has, perhaps that can help them to -- i like it from a national security perspective. >> from a negotiations stand point, one of the complains about this deal is that this would signal to other regimes that you can take prisoner an american and you can get a deal with the united states. that's why i don't exactly agree with that, i'm glad that allan gross is home and maybe these things happen in the past. but the cubans narp that were released back were convicted in a court of law. >> and their pictures were all over cuba, there were five total, three that we released, the others had served their
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time, but they were heralded as heroes but they were trying to do harm to the united states and infiltrate our intelligence gathering. just make the point clear, that allan gross was a hostage, let's make it clear, he was held in prison, against his will for a crime he did not commit. i'm happy that he's home. >> but the president announced an embassy in cube barks but it's not going around congress, congress has got to appropriate the money to build that embassy. so congress does have a big say in this, when push comes to shove, they're going to say there's not enough political muscle. >> one very important fringe benefit, venz waezuelans have h us for the last few years. venezuela is highly in lock step with cuba right now. if they see cuba coming around to normalizing, maybe -- >> that's actually a problem, right? because as you say, we didn't make any demands on cuba and we
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don't require any kinds of human rights changes, so what it signals to the rest of the region is that you can be that kind of country and still normalize relations with the united states and i don't have to do anything. >> this is not the way you need to be treating your people. but venezuela is sending oil and gas to china at a cheaper price than us just to screw us. >> you have to have a global humanitarian approach. >> they get free health care and free education, remember, we have been told that for 50 years and it all sucks. >> on that note, when we come back, the 2016 race is picking up steam as words of potential victory between the obama and clinton teams are surfacing.
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the 2016 presidential speculation mill is heating up. yesterday we saw jeb bush, the first serious presidential contender inch closer to a run and we also saw some sniping between the obama and clinton
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camps. listen to former senior obama advisor take some not so subtle shots at hillary clinton's potential candidacy. >> hillary has not said exactly what her program will be, what she's running on. i think elizabeth has -- what happened in 2008 is that hillary's candidacy got out in front of any rationale for it. and the danger is that's happening again, it's like ready for hillary, ready for what? >> and one thing hillary seems ready to weigh in on is the enhanced interrogation. >> i am proud to have been a part of the obama administration that banned illegal renditions and brutal interrogation practices, including torture. today we can say again, in a loud and clear voice that the united states should never condone or practice to torture anywhere in the world, not under
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any future administration or in any future conflict. >> can that come back to haunt her? >> i think so. for example if you're being thoughtful and you read the op-ed this morning by mike mukasey, who was the former attorney general, who was asked to opine on the legal definitions of torture and enhanced interrogation techniques, very important to look at the subtleties of that, to look at what was legal, what was not. hillary clinton is walking into a place right now where once it was her husband's administration that approved renditions initially, that continued on because they were trying to capture al qaeda. the enhanceded interrogation techniques differed in the scenario after 9/11 and then you look at "the wall street journal" nbc poll yesterday, for the first time you have a majority of americans saying they actually support the word torture. we have never said that before, everybody agrees with her,
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united states doesn't torture. do we use legal enhanced interrogation techniques to get information about a tickling time bomb situation, yes, i think she's on the wring side of that. >> i think it's the right-there's an argument that she's moved too far to the center, it's a way to come back to the left. it's a way to get elizabeth warren off the board. she got off on a candidacy that basically said i'm bill's wife. so elect me again. where obama was talking about big change and all the rest of it. but she's playing to her base and she knows it. greg? >> liz warren, i find it interesting that the democrats and the media always portray the right as scary, ronald reagan is going to bring you into the third world war, except the end of the cold war, cheney's crazy, bush is scary, to me, liz warren strikes me as very, very frightening, she seems manic and
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off kilter. my point being if she were on kolber, she would be a regular character on "snl." the way she talks and acts they would make fun of her. but because she parrots progressive beliefs. >> hillary, i think was clearly playing to her base. i do think that the stances that she was very popular in the room last night. because the rfk awards could backfire on her, especially since she's trying to come back to the center, to criticize things that her husband was engaged in and supportive of as a president. i think it's a very difficult position for her to be in, it could be a very costly one, especially if there's another terrorist attack. >> bob, i want to get this in
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here, because republicans are also jumping in on the 2016 shadow with a couple of nonestablishment candidates reacting to the news yesterday. first up, senator rand paul when he discussed what jeb bush would face in a gop primary. >> ronald reagan ran on the part of getting rid of centralized education. for jeb bush to run in the primary will be very, very difficult. because if you're going to be for a national curriculum and for common core and for no child left behind, this accumulation of power in washington, that's not very popular, and it's going to be an overcoming if he think he is can win the primary. >> and senator ted cruz who has some advice as to what the republican party should be looking for in a candidate. >> we should be looking for whoever is standing up and leading. whoever is standing up and fighting the major fights of the day, whoever is making the case that the obama economy is a disaster that obama care is a train wreck, that we have got to defend the constitution. >> when do you make your
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decision whether you run or not? >> i think the field will form sometime in january of next year. >> what i want to say is exactly what jeb bush wanted. the two guys you want to come out and attack you are those two, if they think they're going to pin their entire candidacy on education, they're crazy. >> i think common core is a bigger issue than we're giving it credit here. >> you mean bigger than immigration? >> bigger than immigration. >> the general consensus is no very conservative conservatives want a national education -- >> not only conservatives, i hear parents talking about it on the sidewalk and the subway. >> it is bigger. >> it's not just from the pundit class, it's coming from the parents and to the teachers, all talking about common core. >> it is evolving, so there is an opportunity for him to have a thoughtful discussion about it, to be presented different ideas and say, this is where we were,
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we were well intentioned, we were going to do something to transform education, this is where we have been, this is where we're going. >> i hate education governor. >> i'm with bob, i do think that it can't just be common core. if he can explain coherently his point of view, he could get past that. al what i don't want is a novelty conservative of the month club like we had in 2012, where somebody popped up and everybody went like this and that person went through, then i'll go through my four points quickly, somebody who can navigate the modern world, not like a creeky uncle and aunt. you need to handle it with finesse and humor, not only someone that can win, but that wants to win. >> up next, sony hackers turning
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up the heat, threatening a 9/11 terror attack on movie theaters screening the interview film. did sony cave? we have somemememememe
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this is a fox news alert. we are learning there's some breaking news on the sony hacking story. let's check in now with shepherd smith at the fox news desk. >> unbelievable how this has gone down, sony has just announced plans to cancel the movie "the interview." regal and amc confirmed they will not be showing the film. a statement has come out from sony just a few minutes ago, it reads in part, we respect and understand our partners decisions and of course completely share their paramount -- employees, our customers and our business. they're referring of course to
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the hackers who have threatened to attack theaters that showed the controversial movie. the film is about two men who try to kill the north korean dictator kim jong-un. hackers posted a threat online threatening a bitter fate for theater goers. so in the end, to put it simply, the terrorists have won. i don't know about you kimberly, but it was stomach turning. >> it was an indication, certainly a threat about these cyber crimes and saying they were going to shut down the premier. >> i'm worried about the future. >> what kind of message that does send to other people? shepard, thank you for that. let's bring you back to "the five." dana, get your comments to this? >> just checking, alec ross who was one of the global internet freedom guys of the world, he worked for president obama as a head of technology. his tweet just now is the
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response by sony and movie theater hacking will be a -- there was no actual credible threat, but know we are allowing a hacking to not only change our commercial decisions, but basically allowing civilians to become the casualties in the first act of major cyber-terrorism. i predict that there are companies that are going to start asking the federal government, why should we be paying to try to protect our companies when we are fighting the geo political wars that you have with america's enemies? that's basically what it is. sony was attacked by the government. so should the american government be helping them? >> and why isn't the president coming out and calling this what it is and saying that this is cybercrime is essentially an act of war and they should be treated as such. >> and that's why the chinese,
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we give them the best education possible and they come back and hack us. i think what's happened here is that sony is being very careful, everybody is covering their butt, because nobody wants to be responsible in case something actually happens. >> north korea, china, whatever. >> there's no the chinese are the most active hackers on the planet and i get it, it should be a crime, and we should have the government jumping in and helping our private businesses in that respect. i guess this is one area where government could actually help business. but let's take it from a business stand point, this could really, sony, look, they got hacked, it's bad, there's a way to make a business decision that's going to actually work for them. they're probably going to make more money on this film now than had they released a stupid movie on killing the north koreans. this is going to be released
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globally with the exception of america. >> they had the premier in los angeles, they just cancelled it in new york. >> i know it's caving to terrorists, but god forbid, one bomb goes off in one movie theater and they were warned before. >> i think they have some real, active, real-time intelligence from the fbi and they know something we don't know. go ahead. >> i think the white house should do what's right and have the filmmakers arrested just like they had the anti-mohammad filmmaker put on parole for benghazi. why did the filmmakers choose ker korea? but didn't th because it was a no-brainer. to make fun of them. it's not as easy as they thought it was. if the filmmakers had seen this coming, they wouldn't have done
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it. i think the theaters are wimps, they should play it for free everywhere. part of me understands that there's a minor malfunction in that theater, people are going to get up and run. if on christmas, you're sitting there and there's something that happens, people are going to think, oh, my god, and there's going to be panic, however that's something that you have to live with every single day. we still had airliners up in the sky after 9/11, obviously not until things were calm. we didn't close down cafes after sydney, we didn't stop p any future marathons, after the boston marathons. so it's a sad thing. >> did you see rob lowe's tweet. >> where he basically said that high school has done neville chamberlayne. >> think about the message it's sending. >> they're sending bomb threats is what they'll do. >> what's our next target we're going to get? >> i think sony was concerned
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about liability, if anything happened, people were going to say you knew. >> this whole thing about terrorism, the terrorism insurance that stadiums are now not giving right now, that governments are now not promising to insure stadiums, because the private insurance companies won't pay terrorism insurance anymore. and we need to government to pay the balance of what insurance would pay so we can watch our football games. >> as i said before, spree killing and things like that, the invention of media has allowed terror to disseminate to affect a greater number of people. and maybe if we ignored it, i it might help. >> cyber crime is becoming everything in crime. directly ahead, the high school trader who sparked
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outrage after admitting he lied about making $72 million is now apologizing, but shouldn't the press have sniffed this out sooner? greg on journalism's
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the new york magazine featured a story on a kid who may $72 million off of to the stock market. he ran his investment club, and jessica presley wrote lovingly of him. guess what? waerp duped. our fact checking process was obviously inadequate. >> i'm sorry for anyone who may have been hurt by the story, most of all, i'm sorry for the embarrassment and pressure i
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have caused my family. my dad always told me to be truthful and i can't even express -- i can't even speak properly anymore. my close friends and i met with ms. jessica presley and gave in to her pressure of wanting more and more and more. >> see? so it hasn't been a great month for magazine journalists, they keep forgetting the first rule in magazine storytelling, if it looks good it probably isn't. decades of campus thought have put activism and regurgitatin regurgitating -- many reporters tune out when you talk number, which might explain why one thought a kid could make 70 million bucks so fast. they know businessmen are evil, rich people didn't earn it, they just became rich. like this kid with $70 million.
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could you imagine anyone in a pittsburgh dive bar falling for this story? hell no. it's like the lady who married the death row killer, we know he's a monster, but she thinks, what if he's innocent? no sensible person buys it, but it's never the sensible one who does, it's always the educated. i feel bad for the kid, the kid is a victim here. he was having fun and the reporter just pushes him and now he's in trouble with his parents. i want to hire him. >> to do what? >> pr. >> red flags all over the place. jessica presley should have seen this coming. by the way, he was ready to go on cnbc, he was in cnbc studios when he decided to call the hoax off. number one, he made $72 million on his lunch break during lunch. red flag number two, you have to be 18 years old to have a trading account. red flag number three, he made
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$72 million during lunch at his high school. ask a question, show me an account, show me a paper that says you made any money at all, let alone 72 million. >> one worth of common sense, is that it all came from universities. i think this kid's father is going to send him off to camp isis for the summer. >> oh, bob. >> that's wrong. >> that's terrible. this kid was a hard worker, he was working with his investment club, they were doing simulated investments and the reporter wanted a real story. >> he didn't harm anybody. >> he looks like dracula. >> he didn't actually harm anybody. teenagers do stupid things and injure themselves or somebody else. that didn't happen here. he's got ambition. i imagine he'll be recruited by goldman sachs. it allows me a moment to give a
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mentoring tip. when you go to college, i'm a good example, i was a mass communications major, i should have taken journalism as a minor. because in today's market and for the next 20 years, you need to be an expert in something. if you want to cover finance, then you should consider finance or accounting and then do journalism because it will actually help you in your career. >> we all make mistakes, kimberly. has anybody here on "the five" done anything -- we actually check, don't we? >> no. >> yes, we do. >> i feel bad for him now, you're turning my heart towards him. because i think he should be "grounded for life." life plus ten. >> the kid? >> yeah, he's in trouble. but really, she should have known something and figured it out. this story had no factual basis.
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>> she's a business reporter, i think she's going to work for bloomberg business news. >> she's a conservative too. >> there's a difference. guilty, i make a lot of mistakes. >> but i'm not a journalist. i'm paid to tell, here's what i think, not a factual story. if you make a mistake, it's a little different than a business reporter making -- >> you're in the financial issues, trading, so you could have looked at that and said that's not possible. >> you know what kills me? >> what. >> so new york did a story on conservatives and humor, and they call meed me for a picture. it was frank rich who was writing it. i said i would be glad to talk to you. but they didn't want to talk to me.
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they put a picture in of me holding a microphone. and there are glaring errors in the article that could have been fixed if frank rich would have spoken to me. but he knew if he had spoken to me he would have had to change the narrative. >> thank you, dana, that warms my heart. coming up, want to live to be 100? what do you have to give up to get there? and is it actually worth it? we'll share the tips next.
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the producers asked me if io ... sweets and live a long and healthy life. but if you want to live to be a sen tarrian, that might not be enough. 100-year-old world war ii vet.
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his secrets include no smoking, no drinking alcohol, and eating a vegan diet. sounds nice but is this the kind of lifestyle you really want? since i'm not going to live to anywhere near 100, so it doesn't matter. you're a vegan, right? >> he's probably the most capable to handle the subject. he lived to 100, but no smoking, no drinking, no fatty foods. >> there is something to be said about meat, however, i think one of the best health tips that you can point to is picking your parents. if you had good genes and also avoid high risk behavior. but he was in world war ii, which is probably the riskiest behavio behavior, it's amazing he's still alive. >> he underwent surgery at 95. . >> at this point you see nothing but little old ladies, when you go to a rest home all the ladies -- >> you know why? because they take their
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medication. >> i take my medication every d day. >> you're taking the wrong kind. >> medication for his heart. >> it's in his pocket right now. >> how long do you want to live? >> as long as the lord wants me here. >> are you referring to me? >> apologize tomorrow, i won't be on the show, so -- but you know, that for everyone you hear about this, you hear another story about someone who lived to be 100, oh, scotch, neat, every night. >> it's a problem with anecdotal information. you've got to look at the studies. he is correct, though, about some of the dietary stuff. >> i'm a firm believer in a cocktail or two a night. and anecdotally, the ones that drink every night, live longer than the ones that didn't. >> my grandmother lived to be 104. >> they're coming up with more and more equipment to keep you
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alive longer and longer. at some point, we're going to have to ask ourselves how much is enough? >> that's a new idea. >> how come you didn't call on me. >> how old do you want to be? >> how long are we going to do the new year's eve show? forever.
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it's time now for one more thing. kimberly? >> all right, well, i'm very excited to announce that we have our lineup all set for the fox new year's special. and it's going to be an all american new year, and you can check it out right there. you've got me, you've got bobby, you've got kennedy and down on the field, always an outstanding job, fox news correspondent, rick leben thal.
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he's going to be on hand to report about safety and security down on times square and joanne, like that, we hope that you tune in, it's going to be fantastic, it's starts at 9:00 p.m. eastern and we take it all the way through the night, until 12:30 in the morning. be there. al. >> it's a good lineup, you've got a lot of good, funny people on that. >> you and i might just talk. like last year. use your imagination. >> i have something fun. you know what's fun when people like dress up in costumes to walk their dogs. look at this from wisconsin, this woman that dresses up as bumble and walks her dog lizard to make everybody happy. >> reporter: what are you doing walking the streets? >> this is from misfit island. >> reporter: why are you visiting? >> to bring joy and happiness. >> and she walks her dog every day. they make everyone happy.
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>> only early in the morning and late at night. >> she says love all, care about all, not just during the holidays. that's a message from bumble. eric, you're next. >> so "people" magazine announced their highest selling and their lowest selling magazines of the year. the lowest unbelievably was that one right there, of hillary clinton. and this picture made the rounds on twitter last night which freaked a bunch of people out. that's bill clinton with the daughter of one of his biggest financial supporters. >> bob, you're next. >> i have been critical on occasion of pope francis, but i think he has done a magnificent job dealing with the muslims lately, he's willing to stand up for christians around the world. it was hiss birthday, they had hundreds of thousands of people in st. peter's square. happy birthday to the pope. >> greg, you're last.
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>> you know, a lot of people have been worried about my unicorn mug and the fact that it's missing a horn. not to fear. many viewers had sent in new ones, i have like 35,000 of these now. i want you to stop sending me unicorn mugs. stop sending them, send them to other fox news anchors. i have had enough of these, frankly. send them to chef, hemmer or dobbs. send hundreds of them, i don't have anymore room for them, quite frankly. >> set your dvr so you never miss an episode of "the fivivivv >> it is thursday december 18th. a fox news lar-- alert. sony shelves the movie following violent threats as the fbi gets ready to announce who is to
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blame. did the hackers win? >> intense fallout that changes everything for the u.s. and cuba. >> this president has to be the worst negotiator we have ever had. >> what can congress do now after what some are calling a foreign policy fail. >> and oh, dear, dramatic video look at that of a cyclist smashing right into a deer at full speed. "fox & friends first" starts right now.รง >> good morning to you. a little cold play to get you out of bed this morning. it is cold here in new york city and across the rest of the
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country. you are watching "fox & friends first". i am heather childers. >> i am ainsley earhardt. in an unprecedented move sony postponing the release of the movie. >> anna kooiman is here with the latest. good morning heather and ainsley. good morning to all of you at home. $42 million movie that will likely never be seen by the public. the christmas day release of "the interview" scrapped bison knee after major movie theaters hacked them. the world will be full of fear. her the 11th of september 2001 we recommend you to keep yourself distance from the places at that time. while some people are clamoring for sony to release the film on-line the temperature says it

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