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2001, officially announcing they will help the families pay their mortgages. hopes to raise $800,000 by the end of the year to pay off both officers mortgages. thank you so much for watching "the kelly file" tonight. i'm shannon bream in for megyn kelly. welcome to this special edition of "hannity" on the campus of texas a&m university at the george bush presidential library. for the entire hour we'll be interviewing president george w. bush, his brand new book, "41, a portrait of my father." there have been many books written about american presidents, but none from the unique perspective of the subject's own son himself, an eight-year occupant of the oval office. 41, a portrait of my father, is above all else a love story written by a son who got a front row seat to history as his father shaped it and then a chance to make history himself. the book makes clear the huge amount of respect and admiration
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george w. bush has for his father led a truly remarkable life. george herbert walker bush was born in massachusetts on june 12, 1924, and exactly 18 years later signed up for the u.s. navy. by that time he was already one year into his relationship with barbara pierce who would later become his wife. as the youngest pilot in the navy, he flew 58 combat missions during world war ii and was awarded the distinguished flying across after being shot down by the japanese and plucked from the ocean by a u.s. submarine. george and barbara went on to have six children including the future president, he followed in the footsteps of his own father by running for office, becoming a member of congress before going onto becoming ambassador at the united nations and later becoming president himself george bush was at the forefront of the end of the cold war, the fall of the soviet union and countless major events that shaped world history. at the george bush museum and library i got an opportunity to
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do something that no one before has been able to do. i toured the museum with father and son, both former presidents of the united states, as they looked back on both moments that shaped history and moments that shaped their extraordinary relationship. mr. president, great to see you again. >> sean, thank you. >> you call the book a love story, a personal portrait of an extraordinary man you're blessed to call dad. >> yeah. it is a love story. i mean, you know, people pick up this book, buy this book, they'd expect to read an objective analysis of george bush are going to be disappointed. those who really want to find out what he's like from a person who was president just like he was president that happens to be his son, then i think they're going to find an interesting book. >> yeah. your dad never wrote a personal memoir. >> right. >> was this for him for that reason? did you want to do it because you felt you wanted -- >> well, there's a lot of reasons i wrote it, but yeah. i mean, i want people -- first
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of all, he hadn't gotten a lot of attention. one reason is because he didn't write his own book. he's a modest, humble man. he's not a chest thumper. and therefore a lot of people haven't analyzed his presidency. but they're going to start and i wanted to be a part of the initial wave. >> you're in a special club. john quincy adams never wrote about his dad. >> q and w. >> q and w. there you go. and that was part of your motivation. >> it was. david mccullough's daughter told me that her dad had always wished he had read a book by john q. about his father. i said sounds like a good idea. >> only two times in american history have both parents been there for their son's inauguration. >> correct. >> and only one time have both parents been there when they finished their presidency. >> exactly. john kennedy's mother and dad were alive when he was sworn-in. and then, yeah, basically it's a loud shoutout to how blessed i
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am. >> yeah. >> to be able to have your parents alive during the presidency. and of course have them thrive after the presidency. i mean, after all this is a guy who jumped out of a helicopter on his 90th birthday. >> i saw the video. >> unbelievable. >> by the way you voted yes on that. >> yeah. >> i guess the family, your mother was suspicious. >> well, the chief of staff calling around saying what do you think. i said jump. after all it had to have made him feel very young. >> you tell a story in the book and i think it kind of describes how close the bush family is. back in november 2012 your dad had a bad cough. >> yeah. went into the hospital. >> yeah. >> december had pneumonia. you, laura, the girls, daughter jenna, who is expecting, go to the hospital, go to see your dad. >> right. >> you write in the book, no crying. >> yeah. i said i don't want the last image of us to be as weeping around him. his last image.
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so we get over there and it's in an icu unit at methodist hospital. and barbara and jenna are playfully rubbing his head and cooing and trying to bring him comfort and he leans over and brings jenna's pregnant stomach and said there's death and then of course there's the beauty of life. and we all wept. i gave him a kiss and it'd be the last time i'd see him. i underestimated him. as well as misunderstand estimated him. thank you for remembering some of my great -- >> no. we all have them. don't worry. i've been in the business for a long time. you tell the story in the book about you hold dad, shout out at the sky -- he signed up for the military on his 18th birthday. >> right. >> my father did the same thing right for world war ii. that was that generation. >> right. >> and he goes to war. he's a fighter pilot. we have the video he
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was rescued after he was shot down. >> uh-huh. >> two other men lost their lives. tell the story, he never forgot them and thinks about them all the time. >> that's true. >> what does that tell us about him? >> well, tells us he's a loyal man who's got a huge heart. and he rarely talked about his experience. i'm sure your dad didn't either. >> never. >> these are men who grew up very quickly. if you'd said you're a hero to your dad or my dad or a lot of people that serve say i was just doing my duty. sense of duty was powerful. and it was an extraordinary experience for an 18-year-old kid. it had to have been. and i think it speaks to a lot of the decisions he made in his life such as foregoing wall street to go to odessa, texas. >> risk taker. >> absolutely. the truth of the matter my
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brothers and sisters and i benefitted from his example. >> interesting anecdotes you use in the book. you were a pain in your dad's neck a little bit. >> yeah. >> you stole toy soldiers. >> yes. >> out of a store. >> yeah. >> and how did your father handle that? >> he handled it, well, he handled it -- there's a line you don't cross. but he handled it with grace. he saw me playing with some soldiers. i was probably 5 or 6 years old. he said, where'd you get those? and of course i balked. i didn't have a very good answer. i wasn't well scripted. and next thing i know i'm marching into the store apologizing to the store owner and returning the pathetic little toy soldiers. and that was it. there was no yelling, screaming. >> lesson taught. >> yeah. lesson taught. >> and then you urinated in the hedges. >> yes, i did that as well.
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>> you had too much to drink after a tennis match and knocked over a garbage -- you were a troublemaker. >> well, you know, i was testing his patience. >> there's a line you use about his parenting. >> yeah. i love you. there's nothing you can do to make me not love you, stop trying. that one? >> yeah, that one. >> that's the one i used on our girls a lot. one of my pieces of advice for parents. it basically says, look, just love your children. and if you love them, there's a good chance better than even chance. >> you had been drinking, knocked over the garbage can, he didn't say a word to you. >> that's right. when you admire somebody -- he'd earned my admiration over the years by being such a great father. and, yeah, i came in drunk. mother gave me a scolding. and then said youd need to go see your father. i defiantly charged in the room. and he's reading a book and he
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kind of lowers the book and takes off his glasses and stares at me. glasses back on. book up. i mean, it was such a childish behavior didn't deserve a word of his. on the other hand his actions sent a clear message. and as i put in the book, i slunk out of the room. i felt terrible because i had, you know, i did make an ass out of myself. >> uh-huh. it's very interesting because you kind of compare and contrast parenting today. you know, i think the world helicopter parent would probably accurately describe me. and that's very different the way describing your dad. >> yeah. >> and just the fact he wouldn't talk to you was enough to change your behavior. >> yeah. >> had a big impact on you. >> well, but you have to earn that respect to begin with. in other words, it wasn't just happenstance. it was that over the years, you know, he earned all our respect. >> as we continue on the campus
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of a&m university at the george bush presidential library, when we come back we'll have more with president george w. bush, we'll talk about his brother jeb and the potential run for the presidency. we'll talk about isis, the other news of the day and of course the great influence of his father. >> dad had always been reticent to talk about himself, but in a short self-dep ri kating passage he struck just the right tone. i may not be the most eloquent -- >> but i learned early on that eloquence won't draw oil from the ground. and i may sometimes be a little awkward, but there's nothing self-conscious in my love of country. i'm a quiet man. but i hear the quiet people others don't. the ones who raise the families, pay the taxes, meet the mortgage. and i hear them, and i am moved. and their concerns are mine.
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>> how to keep america moving forward. >> keep america moving forward, always forward, for a better america, for an endless, enduring dream and a thousand points of light, this is my mission and i will complete it. >> the crowd exploded. laura, barbara poured on to the stage with a list of families join mother and dad for the balloon drop. george bush was beaming. i can't remember another face so perfectly captured the moment. dad had moved seamlessly to a candidate in his own right. like many others who cared deeply for george bush, i was exuberant that night.
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[ gunfire ] dad first hear dad first heard about the shooting shortly after air force 2 lifted off from force wort. w. he took process. he got -- air force 2. he thought first about the president as his friend. then he turned to his responsibility. he scribbled a reminder to avoid panic. he wrote the word, uncertainty, which he knew the country would be feeling. he knew how important it would be to project stability and help calm the nerves. >> i can reassure this nation and a watching world that the american government is functioning fully and effectively. >> and we continue at the george bush presidential library. as you can see behind me that is a big piece of the berlin wall.
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we continue with george w. bush talking about his brand new book "41, a portrait of my father." i was shocked to learn that your dad tried to set you up on a date with trisha nixon. >> yes, i was shocked. >> have you revealed that before? >> no. i was shocked. he called and asked me i was at moody air force base in georgia. said you're not going to believe this, dad wants me to go have a date with trisha nixon. i was reluctant to do that first. a lot of my pilot buddies started needling me. you're making it up. so i said i'm going just to prove them wrong. and i go and, you know, i went upstairs. trisha was very polite and lovely. i was a little bit of a swashbuck ler. i spilled the red wine -- fired up a lucky strike. didn't work that well. >> i look at your dad, the one thing that struck me as you read the book in total is all of the things that he did. >> yeah. >> you know, he ran for
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congress, lost congress. became a congressman. then was urged to run for senate, becomes u.n. ambassador at the time. richard nixon appointed him. head of the rnc when richard nixon had to resign. he wrote him a really fascinating letter the day before he resigned on august 7th, he resigned on august 8th. >> correct. >> saying for the good of the country and the presidency -- >> yeah. >> he was there for watergate. he was there for almost every big moment in the last two generations of history. >> yeah, he was. and, you know, prepared him to be president. >> yeah. >> i tell people george bush was the best one-term president we've ever had. nobody knows it. and this book is a way to start letting people understand why i say that. >> you know, we often hear the story on the day president reagan was shot by hinkley. and we hear what happened in the
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white house. al hague said he was in charge. >> yeah. >> your dad approached it very differently. they wanted him to land at the white house in a helicopter. he said no. >> right. >> interesting. and then the next cabinet meeting the next day he would not sit in the president's seat. >> right. >> even though he was sort of filling in. why -- what does that tell you about him? >> that he's got good perspective. you know? i mean, he knew his job. and he wasn't going to try to change it. that he's a humble man. he didn't need people to think he was something he wasn't. >> yeah. >> and very comfortable in his own skin. so i'm confident that those two decisions you mentioned were never in doubt. i mean, there's no question in my mind he wasn't ever going to think about landing it. >> and then became best of friends. >> yeah. very close relationship. i'm not surprised. they're both funny men, they both love their country. it wasn't necessarily deemed,
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you know, that that was going to be the case. but dad worked hard at it. president reagan is an easy guy to like. >> it was funny because you would think when your dad's president, i would have thought that you would have sought out his council and his advice. >> yeah. >> you tell a story in the book where you say, well, if i would have asked him a policy question, he would have asked to be briefed on something so he can give a strong opinion. but what he offered you was something very different because he knew the pressure of the office. >> he offered me love and humor. he would call me and say, son, you did a great job. you know, wonderful speech. and it was so uplifting to hear somebody you admire and love say that to you. he would interject humor. he would send an e-mail andy carter, josh bolton, they would come in and read, this is from your dad. and all of a sudden they'd read some really funny story or something like that. no, he -- there's a lot of psycho babble about my
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relationship with dad. this book helps people understand it better. but also, you know, people have real trouble understanding that i wasn't on the phone constantly seeking, you know, advice, what do you do? and one reason why is because he had made presidential decisions. and he knows how important it is to be fully briefed by people who have been studied the issue. >> yeah. >> so he just said, hey, send your briefers down. >> one thing i gleaned, you thought your father decided to leave a safe congressional seat to run for senate. and said maybe because his dad had been senator. >> could have been. >> that would leave the question did you run for president -- >> here's the thing. there's no question that he paved the way for jeb and me by showing us that you can go into politics and not sacrifice that which is important, being a good husband or fatherhood.
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it's hard to tell the tug, you know, the tug and pull. look, the first threshold question was why do you run against anne richards. >> your mom wasn't very -- >> no, she wasn't very onboard. seems to be repeating herself these days. >> when we come back we continue from the george bush presidential library on the campus of a&m university. and when we come back we'll talk to george w. bush about isis, jeb bush maybe running for president and much more on this special edition of "hannity." ess you pay your auto insurance premium every month on the dot. you're like the poster child for paying on time. and then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal... until your insurance company jacks up your rates. you freak out. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it? hey insurance companies, news flash. nobody's perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance.
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presidency -- >> or ronald reagan when they lost eight seats in the senate in '86. it happens. i think sure they were. i mean, it doesn't mean they dislike you. growing weary is different from, you know, approval or disapproval. but it's almost as if people say surely we can do better than this guy. >> does that have a psychological impact? >> not really. actually, you know, interesting question. as far as i was concerned if, you know, i was dealing in those two years primarily with how to win in iraq and a financial meltdown. and those decisions i made had nothing to do with whether people were, you know, kind of looking forward to the next guy. >> one of the things i liked about the way you wrote the book
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is you talked about your dad's presidency, decisions he made and also explained in similar circumstances. one of them obviously had to do with iraq and you sent him a letter. you gave to launch operation iraqi freedom. then you wrote your dad, i'll read it to you, you said, i know i've taken the right action and do pray we won't lose life -- few will lose life. you said iraq will be free, the world will be safer, emotion of the moment has passed and now i await word on the covert action that is taking place. and i know what you went through. then he wrote you back, your handwritten note, just received, touched my heart. you're doing the right thing. remember robin's words, i love you more than time can tell. well, i do. >> thankfully you read that letter. if i'd try to -- if i'd try to read it -- did you dismantle my book? >> i do that a lot. >> that will double sales of
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everybody. >> see, i just bought two. >> this is typical of george bush. i mean, it's the sweet letter that evokes emotion. i mean, he encourages emotion. and he's a great letter writer. and he took time to write it and it meant a lot to me. >> yeah. those are the toughest questions of a presidency. >> no question. and if you're in, you got to go all in to win. >> 4,000 americans lost their lives in iraq. and you talked about i think when 23 lost their lives in the kuwait conflict that your dad had pursued. every one of those cities that we watched being conquered, ramallah, fallujah, tikrit, mosul, in a short period of time have now been taken over by isis. you talk about isis a little bit in the book. >> yeah. >> as you watch that and think
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about those 4,000 americans, what does that mean to you? >> it means that we better achieve the goal of degrade isis, which is the president's stated goal. >> can you do that with 1,500 troops? >> well, that's what we're about to find out. the key thing is is that we achieve the goal and adjust the strategy to meet the goal. >> meaning the surge? >> yeah. >> all right. so if the surge worked in those cities that were conquered and the war was won and then those cities end up in the hands of isis, if i'm one of the parents of one of the 4,000 that lost their son, what am i thinking as those cities they fought for -- >> first of all how proud they are of their loved one putting in their service, i hope when they read my book i hope they realize the decisions i made was aimed to keep people safe in a
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post-9/11 environment. and i hope they realize that the decisions i made were all aimed at securing a victory so that any sacrifice would not be in vain. and hopefully that, i think, most people realize that this is a long struggle. and my post-9/11 comments were just that. this is going to be a long struggle. >> you made comments in 2007 though. and you said very clearly, they've now been played a lot, that if we are not wise, and if we leave too early. >> yeah. >> we will be facing a worse enemy. you turned out to be 100% accurate. >> sadly. >> you wish you were wrong? >> i do wish i was wrong. >> coming up when we come back we'll walk through the presidential library with both president bush 41 and 43 as this special edition of "hannity" continues. three days after the september the 11th attacks,
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laura and i attended a church service at the national cathedral. former presidents clinton, carter and ford were there along with supreme court justices and members of congress and most importantly, laura and my parents. >> our responsibility to history is already clear. to answer these attacks and rid the world of evil. delivering this feat without breaking down was challenging. many people in the cathedral had tears streaming down their cheeks, including some military personnel. my strategy was not to look at laura or my parents because i knew seeing them would push me over the edge. fortunately, i made my peach and returned to my pew. just after i sat down dad reached over laura and gently squeezed my arm. my emotions were strong and his simple gesture brought my courage and strength. i guess we're going to need a new santa
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do you feel? >> really nice. family. my mother and dad. >> by the way, i love the picture of you and babe ruth. that was pretty exciting. >> yeah. >> and then at 60 i saw you hit a ball into right field and got a base hit. >> you know who was pitching? >> no -- even more impressive was the play he made at first base. >> favorite place in the world. every person i've ever talked to that was on the boat with you says you drive a hundred miles an hour. is that true? >> not quite. >> still, he goes fast. >> you still like to drive it? >> oh, yeah. >> as we continue at the george bush presidential library, more of my interview with george bush 43 on his book "41, a portrait of my father." let me ask you about your brother jeb. >> i've heard of him.
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>> you tell a lot of the stories about -- you actually talk about the night you became governor of texas. >> yeah. >> that your parents obviously were very happy. your father was more concerned about your brother. >> well, typical of george h.w. bush. he cares deeply for people who hurt. one reason he was a great diplomat for example is because he could think about the other person. and so jeb had lost there in florida, and i called over there to let him know i was getting ready to go give the victory statement. and he was of course exuberant that i won. he was like good going, son. but it was clear that he was worried about jeb. which i -- that's why we all love him so much. people try to make something out of that, what my attitude is, wow, what a father. what a father. >> that goes back to the love story. so there's only been two sons of
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presidents that went on to the presidency. you made history. >> correct. >> there's never been a case where a second brother has become president. >> that's true. >> you said the other day you think it's a 50/50 chance. >> correct. >> you're always outspoken mom you were joking about earlier in a speech i was watching saying maybe we've had enough of the bushes. >> correct. >> you don't agree. >> i do not agree. you know, one way to look at it, someone said in a speech the other day, you know, jeb -- nobody likes a political class in america. i mean, we're a nation that's more egalitarian than that. so the idea of bush-clinton, bush-obama-bush sticks in people's craws. obviously mother's. then of course but you get a look at it in the context of
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reality how about bush, clinton, bush, obama, clinton. in other words, isn't perfect. so that's not a reason for jeb to run or not to run. jeb knows what it's like. he's watched it up close twice. >> you talk about being on the campaign trail with your dad. >> yeah. >> and the hard times, the good times, the re-election, which 1992 was very hard for you. >> very hard for all of us. >> and then you describe how you appointed former president clinton and your dad and they became the best of friends. >> yeah, which speaks volumes about both. >> what does that mean to a potential jeb bush-hillary clinton showdown? >> it means jeb and i will have interesting things to talk about. look, i'll still like him when jeb beats hillary. >> are you betting on that? >> if jeb runs -- look, i don't
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know if he's going to run or not. i really don't. i hope he runs because he'd be a great president. he's weighing it out. he's going to take a very deliberate decision. the idea of being a second, you know, one of two brothers and being president is not going to weigh in his decision. that's not important to him. what's important so to him is as he said publicly, got to make sure this is okay with his family. >> yeah. you talk about an afterlife, life after the presidency. >> right. >> i think you use the analogy you go from 100 miles an hour to 5 miles an hour. you talk about that being really, really hard. you said it was even hard for you. >> yeah. i wouldn't say really, really hard. i would say it's an interesting adjustment. and there's a certain level of kind of a despondency that sets in when you're not going 100 miles an hour. it's an abrupt change in your life.
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that's why writing a book was important to me. and laura and i working on our library there at smu is important to me. >> so you stay busy. >> i do. i got to stay busy. >> i saw you with the students at the college here today. you seem to enjoy the give and take. >> i do. i like it. i mean, as i tell people when i go give a speech for them, i just say, look, my area of expertise is what's it like to be president. >> why did you make the decision -- i mean, i could sit here all day and try to get you to comment on president obama and i'm not going to get anywhere. >> correct. >> because i know you very well. >> yes, you do. >> why did you make that decision? because i'm sure you have a lot to say. >> i do. >> we talked politics before we came in here, you're very engaged of what's going on. >> i'm very aware what's going on. i don't think it's good for a country to have a former president undermine a current president. i think it's bad for the presidency for that matter. secondly, i've really had all the fame i want.
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now, look, i'm trying to be famous on your show in order to sell this great book. >> right. >> but i really don't long for publicity. the truth of the matter is in order for me to generate publicity apart from this i'd have to either attack the republican party, which i don't want to do, or attack the president, which i don't want to do. so i'm perfectly content to be out of the limelight. >> when you brought -- in the final days of your presidency you brought all the former presidents in. >> yes. >> you said that president obama was very deferential to your dad. >> correct. >> and seemed to have a great admiration for your dad. does he -- i know he called you about bin laden, does he call you at any other points? >> no, never. >> does he ever reach out to your dad? >> i don't know. i'm not sure. i know this however, president obama's very unpopular in texas. he comes to texas and dad's there at the foot of the stairs to meet him in his wheelchair.
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>> you write about that. >> typical of 41. >> you wouldn't do it. >> well, i don't know. that's a good question. i haven't yet so far. thank you for bringing that up by the way. >> what that you wouldn't? >> yeah. >> i'm asking if you would. i know, but you didn't have to mention -- >> when you think back throughout the history that you throughout your presidency and obviously the iraq conflict, the post-9/11 world is a very different world. >> that's important for people to know. >> and you think of what your dad went through, the fall of the berlin wall, i think he went through, what, four soviet leaders at the time? >> correct. >> which is amazing. >> and all the other history that was made. >> he went through four as vice president and president. >> vice president and president. right. and had a great relationship. he got criticized for not wanting to be, you know, stick it to gorbachev when he was asked to go to the berlin wall he said no. >> yeah, he did. it was because he understood
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that in public service it's not important to talk about yourself and to promote yourself. it's important to achieve results. and he knew that if he incited hardliners inside the old soviet, gorbachev would be make it much harder for gorbachev to make these young democracies to peel off and for the wall to come down. >> last question. what is the i read the book cover-to-cover, what do you want people to take away from this love story that you have for your dad who became a leader at a moment in history that i don't know if we could ever duplicate in terms of things -- >> i want them to know that the nation was very fortunate to have a man of george bush's character as their leader. and i want them to know that those of us who know him are very fortunate to call him dad and friend.
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i george walker bush do solemnly swear -- >> that i will faithfully execute the office of the united states. >> i was confident to know that my father was behind me as chief
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justice ren kwis swore after the swearing in under the traditional inaugural parade down pennsylvania avenue i went to the oval office for the first time as president. dad had gone upstairs to the white house residence to take a warm bath and thaw out frft from the frigid parade. after a few minutes the door swung open and he walked in. we spent a few minutes together just soaking in the moment. over the next eight years i would have many memorable meetings in the oval office, none compared to standing in the office with my father on my first day. >> do you miss the oval office? do you miss being there? >> no. >> not at all? >> not really. you know, eight years is plenty. >> yeah. >> i enjoyed it. i loved the action and the team around me. i miss a lot of the people i served with. but i'm still in touch with condi and josh and andy and dana. >> dana and carl. >> carl, absolutely.
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i see margaret spelling running our deal there in dallas at the bush institute. i stay in touch, but i really don't miss the day-to-day. you know, it's one of these things where i gave it my all. and that's all you can do. >> you know sense of history going to judge everybody fairly. >> yeah, i do. it's hard to tell right now because, you know, it's impossible for a historian who lived through a person's period person's presidency for example, to be objective. a historians going to have prejudices about the decisions made for or against. it will be hard to record accurately record that. plus there needs to be time for the decision to show its worth or not. >> how surreal is it, you're the son of a president, you've been
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in the oval office, first time in the white house you're there to meet trisha, next thing you get that office and your dad's there with you. >> awesome. >> that was a great moment, right? >> such a touching moment. i'm not that i'm not that poetic to describe what i felt like. i can just tell you that it was serene and very sweet. >> you know what's so hard for me to understand, when you talk about not -- your dad didn't want to give you advice every day. he might give you an opinion on somebody he might hire. >> yeah. >> but the other support he gave you was only something somebody in that job could offer. >> exactly. that's what makes -- that's one of the things that makes this book unique. is that you have a father comforting a son, but what makes this comfort even more profound is that he had been president himself. and so he knows. he knows what you're going through. and i knew what he was going through too, however. he would agonize over what people said about me. and he would agonize about the criticism.
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and so i would call him and say, look, i'm doing fine. you don't worry about me. >> really didn't bother you. the criticism? you didn't read a lot of it. >> i didn't pay much attention to it. what really bothered me was the harsh rhetoric that has gotten harsher. i don't want people to be turned off our system. it's the fairest system by far and the idea of people saying why would i want to be involved in that, troubles me. >> the age of the internet, blogs. >> yeah. >> commentary. >> i've got no part of it -- part of the blame. it's harsher than it's ever been. >> yeah, it's changed. and hopefully good people will still run. hopefully this book sends a message that you can be a good person with good values and you don't have to sacrifice those in order to serve your country. >> how do you explain -- you talked about your dad's loss in '92, and you talked about the conditions weren't working in his favor, and cap weinberger had just gotten indicted and the
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economy slowed a little bit. and so you didn't get re-elected. that was a big blow to you too. and then during eight years, then president obama is nominated in '06 and a big midterm like we just had. and it's repudiation of obama. how does -- through the prism of, like, historically being in politics so long, how do you explain, the country moving back and forth? >> well, because that's good. >> why? >> well, because it means change is possible. i mean, there's -- any -- i didn't think 2006 was all that great. but nevertheless, it was an indication that democracy was functioning. the people are pretty wise. not pretty wise. wise. and if you take them for granted or if you don't listen to the rumblings, you get -- they let you know their feelings in the polls. >> but you think about that. you had a very different ideology. for example, president reagan as so different than jimmy carter.
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>> yeah. >> okay. bill clinton is so different from your dad. obama is very different from you. >> yes. >> and now the country seems to be swinging back. you think that's good. >> yeah, i think it reflects the fact that people get to say -- get to have a profound say in their government. the direction of their government. and which stands in stark contrast to parts of the world in which people don't have a say in their government, which is bad and not only that, promotes radicalism and enables thugs to recruit. like isis. >> is that still the biggest threat we face today? >> yeah. >> in your view. >> yes, sir. >> bigger than you know? >> the problem is, it's hard to tell how big it is, because you don't know. certainly, you know, people say al qaeda was a threat prior to 9 9/11, but you don't know how big a threat. my worry after 9/11 was a chemical, biological or dirty bomb in the hands of these people. it's still my worry. >> if it's possible more vicious than al qaeda.
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you see the beheadings. >> remember, al qaeda slit pearl's throat. it's hard to argue about the level of viciousness. >> the level of evil. >> evil, exactly what it is. and the point is that they'll kill again. and so we've got to succeed. >> all right. when we come back on this special edition of "han ity" only two presidents have witnessed their sons go on to be president themselves. final reflections from the bush presidential museum as this special edition continues.
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both president george herbert walker bush and w. bush, i think it's something they would like to see. question is, is that something you want to see? anyway, thank you for joining us tonight. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. "o'reilly factor" is on tonight. >> an unforgettable factor special. >> a pop collar. >> what do everyday americans think of the most powerful women in america. >> i don't know who this is either. >> i'm looking at her. i don't know her. >> how do people rate president obama? >> three. >> he doesn't seem to be honest. i don't like his face. >> we travel to coney island. to his vineyard and colorado for the mushroom festival where things get a little crazy. >> you'll see sounds potentially. >> you can see sounds? >> yeah, sometimes. >> can you hear smells? caution. you are about to


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