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america responded. that will be the legacy of "the man who killed osama bin laden." search for airasia flight 8501. "fox news sunday" coming up next. thanks for watching. i'm chris wallace. the year in review. looking back at some of the biggest stories of 2014 and what we should expect in the year ahead. from the midterm elections and that gop wave set to wash over washington. >> tonight we shook up the senate. you shook up the senate. >> i would welcome the president moving to the middle. first indications have not been very helpful. >> to the growing fight against isis. >> this is an organization that has an apocalyptic end of days strategic vision, which will eventually have to be defeated. >> hands up! don't shoot!
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>> old wounds of racial discrimination reopened. our sunday group, journalist jason riley susan page steve hayes and bob woodward on this year's biggest headlines. then looking ahead to 2015. we'll get our panelists' predictions on policy, economy entertainment and sports. and a rare interview with author laura hillenbrand whose best seller "unbroken" is now a major motion picture. >> i think louis has become an inspiration for a generation of people. he is a man who survived the seemingly unsurvivable. >> all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. first, some breaking news. search and rescue operations are under way after an airasia flight carrying 162 people went missing over the java sea. the plane headed from indonesia
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to singapore lost contact with air traffic control about an hour before it was due to land. the pilots had asked to change course to avoid bad weather. it's been a remarkable year in the news with shocking developments from the bitter debate over race and justice to the rise of a new terror threat in the middle east. today we want to drill down to get some perspective on this year's biggest stories and we begin with the year in politics that saw voters turn over congress to republicans while president obama pushed the limits of executive action. here to help us understand where we are and where we're headed, let's bring in our sunday group. jason riley of "the wall street journal," susan page, washington bureau chief of "usa today." the weekly standard's steve hayes and bob woodward from "the washington post." the big story in politics this year, of course, was the republican wave on election day. the gop picked up nine seats in the senate and will now have a
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54-46 majority. in the house the gop picked up 13 seats. the new balance of power, 247 republicans, 188 democrats. the question for president obama and new senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is how will they handle the new reality? >> i intend to continue doing what i've been doing. which is where i see a big problem and the opportunity to help the american people. and it is within my lawful authority to provide that help i'm going to do it. >> the american people have spoken. they've given us a divided government. the question for both the president and the speaker and myself and our members is, what are you going to do with it? >> jason what do you expect in 2015? do you expect the president continue to act on his own or do you expect some real bipartisan compromise with the republican congress? >> probably a little more of the latter. i'm optimistic chris. i think republicans are going to try and use the majority to show
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voters that they can govern. they want to put legislation in front of the president, whether it's immigration reform, tax reform, maybe even health care reform. whether the president signs it is another matter, but gone are the days when harry reid can stop the president from having even to consider difficult legislation. >> when you look back at the president's actions, executive actions this year it's a pretty remarkable list. let's put it up on the screen. raising the minimum wage for federal workers, a climate deal with china, shielding 5 million illegal immigrants from deportation, resuming diplomatic relations with cuba. susan, how far do you expect the president to go on this wave of executive action? and at some point will either congress or the supreme court say, enough? >> well, it's interesting. of those four things you list, three of them have happened in the past eight weeks. since the midterm elections, which were undeniable rebuke of president obama by voters, but since then he has demonstrated
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how powerful a lame duck president can be. and if the republicans -- i think we'll see some push back by republicans in congress. you know another effort to repeal the affordable care act, so forth. they're in a box it seems to me, because actions they take are that are at odds with president obama, he's likely just to veto. it seems to me it's hard for them on some of these fronts to do much to curtail the powers that he's showing by executive order. >> steve, do you buy that, as the new majority republicans in a box? >> yes. i think it's practical for the republicans to stop the president. i disagree with jason. i'm not opted mystic that either republicans or president will try to work together in a concerted way. i think you'll have basically a year of the two parties and the two major ends of pennsylvania avenue talking past one another. the president's going to push forward with executive orders do everything he possibly can, push the limits maybe go beyond the limits as i think he has in a couple of cases already. and republicans are going to do everything they can to set forth
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an alternative agenda that they're not going to be able to do much with. i agree with you they would like to make the president be the obstructionist. they would like the president to be, up, the party of no. the democrats to be the party of no. will that be -- will it be covered that way? i'm not very optimistic. >> before i get to you, bob ask you, steve about one potential flash point that i know that you've been covering. that's guantanamo. this president seems very determined to do everything he can to close the prison at guantanamo. it now holds 330 detainees, the fewest since president bush opened the facility. steve, how explosive if president obama continues to go down this path? >> very, i think. you'll see republicans almost unanimous in their opposition to what the president does, but the group that i'll be watching is democrats. democrats in congress. whatever moderate democrats are left in congress. do they support the president as he goes about emptying guantanamo? i mean, there are reports he wants to release or transfer
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another three, four dozen of the detainees who remain there of the 150 some odd detainees who remain there this day. the detainees that remain today are there for a reason. they're the worst of the worst. >> of the 132, i think 68 have been cleared for release. some can argue whether they should be. but you're right, 64 have not been cleared for release. those certainly are the worst of the worst. >> well, of those who have been cleared for release, it's important to understand what happened. there was the original guantanamo joint task force the intel analyst that made these assessments, high risk medium risk low risk in terms of transfer. then the president impanelled a separate board which reviewed the work of the intelligence professionals and recategorized a lot of these. the president's board, which was made up, i think, lots of human rights lawyers folks who were more sympathetic to emptying guantanamo, not surprisingly, came to different conclusions than -- >> you're seeing --
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>> cleared for release doesn't mean innocent or someone who is not a risk. >> bob, i had to sort of count this up. you've been covering washington for more than 40 years now. >> yeah. people ask, what did i think of grover cleveland? >> i get those questions, too. >> not quite. with the exception of richard nixon, who you did cover, we all know, have you seen a president act on his own? go off on his own to the degree this president has? >> well, i don't think -- i agree with jason in terms of what's going on here, and i would be optimistic. i think the issue this year that was hidden in plain sight and snuck by was the deal on trillion dollars of spending. a deal between obama and the congress. and it worked. they didn't go to the brink. they didn't shut down the government. and i think both obama and the
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republicans see value in achieving some things. of course, when you achieve something, you have to give something in divided government. and i think people are willing. so i think there will be steps here. on your question -- you know, obama declared, i'm doing all these things if you go back and look at all other presidents, without declaring them, they did lots of things through executive action. i don't think it's changed the dynamic. it is inevitably big news, but, you know one of the little secrets that's not been much discussed is that mitch mcconnell is a dealmaker. now he's majority leader and i think he can work with obama. if not at least with joe biden.
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>> that's right. >> it won't be long into 2014 where we've seen candidates and jeb bush talk about running for president in 2016. i want to put up the latest real clear politics polls. this is the average of recent polls. hillary clinton continues on the democratic side to swamp a possible democratic field, including, yes, senator elizabeth warren. among republicans jeb bush has a small lead over paul ryan and chris christie in a field of 12 potential candidates. and i want to play clips for you of bush on what it will take for a republican to win the white house and clinton on whether it's important to have a woman president. >> it matters because we have half the population that has given so much to building this country, making it work. of course i wanted to see a woman in the white house. >> it has to. much more uplifting, much more positive, much more willing to
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be practical in a washington world, lose the primary to win the general without violating your principles. >> susan, you are already on the came pain trail. how strong do you think clinton and jeb bush are in their respective primary contest at this absurdly early day? >> i think hillary clinton is in a situation where she can cost herself the democratic nomination but no one else can cost it for her. it would take a decision for her not to be nominated by the democrats. i don't think jeb bush is nearly the same. there's going to be a big field on the republican side. he's got a strong position. his name is well known. some antipathy toward the bush name has faded over the past eight years -- past six years. he'll be able to raise a lot of money but so will the other contenders. you'll see a powerful demonstration by rand paul who's been maybe the most interesting new figure on the
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republican scene. by scott walker. i think he has the potential to be formidable. i would see a big fight on the republican side but on the democratic side it's all up to the democrats. >> how solid is hillary clinton at this point? is she still just cruising to this nomination? >> i think that the democratic side of this could look a lot different in six months. i think you could see names like jerry brown the governor of california, enter the mix. i'm not sure hilary is sure she's going to run yet. i don't know if she's -- if it's baked in the cake for hillary. i don't think she's made up her mind at this point. and i know there are others champing at the bit, not just elizabeth warren. >> as host of a sunday talk show, all we hope for is a good race on both sides. we need to step aside for a moment. when we come back racial tensions in america reach a breaking point. >> hands up! don't shoot! hands up! don't shoot! >> protests continue in cities
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across the country. as a slain new york police officer is laid to rest. >> when an assassin's bullet targeted two officers, it targeted this city. >> the deaths of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, and eric garner in new york city were the catalyst reopening old wounds between blacks and whites. where does the debate over race
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♪ ♪ make the best entertainment part of your holidays. catch all the hottest handpicked titles on the winter watchlist, only with xfinity from comcast. i believe in this great police force and this incredibly diverse city can and will show the nation how to bridge any divide. >> vice president biden speaking yesterday at the funeral of new
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york city police officer rafael ramos. one of two policemen executed by a man who said he was avenging the killing of unarmed black men by police. more than 20,000 law enforcement officers gathered for the ceremony. jason, how do you explain it with an african-american president in a country that some people said was post-racial, how do you explain the fact that we're having this debate over race and the criminal justice system and it's still so raw? >> well, a part of it is the left has no interest in being post racial. i think they pretend to want to be post-racial, but they practice identity politics, which is divvying us up by race and gender and sexual orientation and then making specific appeals based on those characteristics. this is i think, demonstrates that. what we see with this false narrative being pushed in the wake of the garner and the ferguson incidents.
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the problem is not police shooting black men. that is not what's driving the homicide rate. it is nonpolice shootings of black men driving the homicide rate. we have protesters all over this country pushing a false narrative. everyone from the president on down refusing to simply correct the record here. >> but it's not just ferguson and it's not just new york city. let me put these numbers on the screen. in a recent poll, whites are more than twice as likely as blacks to think that both races are treated equally by police. you see only 22% of blacks think they face equal treatment by police. bob, this is a continuing problem. >> well, of course it is. it's real. but i thought at that funeral police commissioner bill bratton gave a very good talk. he said, quote when we see each other, we'll heal.
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and i think that's exactly -- this is about exposure. this is about talking. it is a serious problem. one, obviously, obama hasn't solved. and it's going to continue. >> when we see each other my gosh, it's 2014. we have an african-american president. when will we see each other if we don't see each other now? >> well, it takes work. it takes lessons -- awful, tragic lessons like this to push the issue in people's faces. the police department will be strong and go on and do its job. so will new york city and all of these places. but no one has found a formula to bring about that healing, including obama. >> you talk about new york city. we've seen an awful a terrible case study in new york over the last month on so. after the grand jury voted not to indict the police officer in the eric garner choking, the
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mayor talked about teaching his biracial son to protect himself. not only from criminals, but also from the police. then at the funeral yesterday, the mayor continued to try to reach out to the force. >> for some of our young people, there's a fear. for so many oilies, there's a fear. so, i've had to worry over the years, elaine's have-h to worry, is donte safe each night. >> they're called peace officers because that's that they do, keep the peace. >> but outside the church, hundreds of police officers turned their back on the screen outside the church showing the words of mayor de blasio. steve, de blasio has unleashed quite a backlash in new york, hasn't he? >> he has. looking forward i think this is most concern. you have mayor de blasio who ran for office in effect running against tougher policing. he says, yes, it's true, we have peace and security in new york
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city, but that's not necessarily the result of the policies followed by mayor giuliani mayor bloomberg et cetera. he came in to change it. he frontally took on the police unions, police force and aligned himself purposefully with the protesters. it's no surprise that the police force, the police unions in particular, are saying you're not our guy and we don't buy the words you're saying now in the aftermath of a tragedy this tragic killing of these two officers. when you weren't with us before. so i think mayor de blasio has a lot of work to do. i'm not sure he'll be able to solve that rift to bridge that gap between the things he had said, the way he ran for office and the way that the police look at him now. >> we asked you for questions for the panel we got this on facebook from tammy who wrote, why is it all we ever get told is that the police community must be retrained to learn how to deal with black communities, but no one has ever entered the
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content of the black community being retrained to be law-abiding, respectful citizens. that's pretty tough talk. but to get back and i'm sure some people will be offended by it, but it is the view of a lot of people and to get back to what jason said the biggest threat from young black men doesn't come from cops it comes from other young black men. >> that's undeniably true and shouldn't be ignored. surely it's possible to criticize black -- police tactics that target african-american men inappropriately. as you say that eric garner cell phone video showed, without criticizing the police force as a whole. honoring the police force for that they do. there are cases in which the police force needs to be addressed. >> the problem is when we take exceptions and pretend they are the norm. clearly there are excessive force used by police but that's not causing the high body count. tension between the police
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department and black community stems from high black crime rates. blacks are 13% of the population but commit half of all murders in this country. blacks are arrested at two to three times their number in the population for all manner of violent crime, all manner of property crime. until that ends, you are going to have tensions between the police and the black community. you are going to have young black men viewed suspiciously. if we want to address perceptions, negative perceptions of young black men, we have to address the behavior that is driving those perceptions. that is not a conversation president obama or eric holder or al sharpton or all the rest want to have because they have a vested interest in pushing a false narrative. which is that racism is an all-purpose explanation of what drives what's wrong in black america. >> but the mayor of new york now has a big leadership challenge. he can't distance himself from the police force. it's his police force. it's like when presidents credit
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sides the cia and all of a sudden it's their cia, they look very differently on it. and they have to reach out. he has to reach out to the police force and that's where there has to be some reconciliation. that's not hard for a good leader. >> at the very least, he needs to stop, i would say, demonizing the police force. despite the fact -- the eric garner video was horrendous and it's one of the things that has caused people to react in this sort of -- on a gut level way. i think it's a mistake to lump the ferguson verdict and ferguson outcome where i think you can have people with very different views come to different conclusions. reasonable people can disagree with what happened there. if you read the grand jury testimony. the eric garner case is very different. you look at the video. it seems inconceivable that that was a proportionate response to whatever he had done. maybe the case that jason said i think it is the case that that's not representative of
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day-to-day policing in the united states. but the perception in this case is the reality. it's driving this debate. >> that gets us to another issue. that is the grand jury. and what we saw. one can argue rightly or wrongly in ferguson, but much more troublesome in the case in staten island, you get a grand jury and a prosecutor that deals with the police force every day and talk it is to grand jury, and somehow in the garbersh garner case best example, not and the cop not convicted does not even stand trial, reasonable cause. the question there was not reasonable cause that he had caused the death -- maybe not murder but manslaughter of eric garner is troublesome, isn't it? >> one is to remove prosecution from local prosecutors. there's a lot of support for that. having independent prosecutors -- >> in cop cases. >> in cop cases where police officers are accused of inappropriate deft a suspect or an individual. and the other is body cameras. i mean it seems to me the power
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of the cell phone video in the garner case could have exonerated. so the move for body cameras seems to be an important step to address some of the divisions you see in perceptions. >> jason, do you agree to any of these reforms or do you think we're on the -- >> i mean we had a camera in the garner case. that's not all the evidence in that case. only the granted jury has seen all of the evidence in that case. i'm reluctant to second guess a group of people that has seen all of the evidence where we've just seen a snippet. so, i'd be hesitant. both the prosecutor in new york and in st. louis have successfully prosecuted other cops in the past. so, the idea they can't do this properly again is something i'm not going to assume. >> let's take another break. up next new challenges to the u.s. overseas from russia and from isis. >> as the terror threat grew, president obama's policy to
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combat it kept changing. >> as commander in chief, i will not allow the united states to be dragged into fighting another war in iraq. >> i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. >> there can be no reasoning. no negotiation with this brand of evil. the only language understood by killers like this is the language of force. >> brutal executions and the seizure of broad chunks of territory finally pushed the white house to respond with u.s.-led air strikes. but where do we stand now in the fight against islamic extremists?
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and our homeland is protected because of you and because of the sacrifices you make each and every day. >> president obama telling troops on hawaii on christmas day, things are getting better headed into the new year. steve, give us an overview. is the world safer, is it more peaceful? >> no absolutely not. the and the president there is not only contradicting the reality, the way that sort of the american people look at the world, he's contradicting the views of his top intelligence officials. you've heard from dianne feinstein, democratic chair of the senate intelligence committee, mike rogers republican chair of the house intelligence committee the president's own top intelligence centers, that isis is growing stronger. james clapper in testimony he gave this fall said he's never
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seen the world as crazy as it is right now. so, the president's living in an alternate universe. i think part of the reason we're at that point is because he's been living that way for the past six years. he's choosing to govern in a world as he wants to see it rather than as a world as it is. while you've seen the president has, in effect, end the the war on terror not won the wore on terror, you've seen isis grow. you've seen al qaeda amass territory throughout the region. you've seen them grow in africa. you've seen them grow across the region. you've seen russia taking over territories in ways we thought would be inconceivable a few years ago. and the united states is not exercising its strength or influence. >> bob, one of the things that struck me preparing for this show is a year ago crimea was still part of ukraine. a year ago, maybe steve because he's very up on these issues, but i had never heard of isis which, again, overview, is the world safer than it was a year
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ago? >> well, it clearly is not. and obama's contradicted himself on that because he's declared war on isis and said not only are we going to contain, it we're going to destroy it. there's lots of danger out there. at the same time if i may say this, there was excellent reporting in my own paper, "the washington post," by liz sly about isis and said they have lots of trouble putting this government together. electricity is not sufficient. water is not sufficient. you know -- -- >> because they're talking about creating an islamic state. >> but they don't have a capital or they've created a capital. they don't get baghdad. they don't get damascus. they have no currency, as they promised. there are lots of governing problems that are very real that are staring them down.
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now, does that mean they're going to go away? absolutely not. i thought in your paper, jason, there was an excellent interview with general allen who is the envoy to the region for president obama. and essentially what allen said is we're going to move along slowly on this. it is a giant problem. and there's almost a disconnect with obama where he said we're going to destroy him. and allen says we're going to contain them. >> let's talk about that because after a very shaky start when he said we don't even have a strategy in the middle of the summer, president obama finally in the fall declared war on isis. here he is. >> we will degrade and ultimately destroy isil through a comprehensive and sustained counterterrorism strategy. >> jason, how are we doing? >> things are getting better. i think we'll make some incremental progress.
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though, i don't -- mostly in iraq, though. i don't know we're going into syria, which is where the heart of the problem is. as long as we have a president that doesn't appreciate the importance of u.s. global leadership, the world will be less safe than it ought to be. that's what we have. obama, to get back to steve's point about obama governing in a way he wants the world to look instead of governing the way it actually is, it ties back into our discussion of gitmo and trying to close gitmo. we don't send people to gitmo anymore. a third of the people we've released have rejoined the battlefield. that ties into the thing of this isis sneaking up on us. we don't interrogate them anymore and find out about the intelligence. we don't have that operation anymore. because this president is more interested in obtaining a political goal of shutting down gitmo regardless of whether it helps us fight these real world problems. >> you know, i was talking about things that we weren't aware of a year ago or hadn't happened a
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year ago. one thing we were talking about a year ago was the effort by the u.s. and our allies to restrict iran's nuclear program. we were about to begin talks with iran. well, it's a year later. the talks have been extended twice. they've missed two dead lines. here is secretary of state john kerry on that continuing effort. >> we would be fools to walk away from a situation where the breakout time has already been expanded rather than narrowed and where the world is safer because this program is in place. >> so susan, do we finally get a deal in 2015? we certainly did this year. and if not, what does president obama do about iran? >> you know i think it's entirely possible we get a deal. and it's not only because of the negotiations that have gone on and on and on. it's also because of what's happened with oil prices which has put enormous pressures on iranian economy, beyond what our own sanctions have caused them to do. i think that leads us to the possibility of getting a deal. that would be despite the
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problems with isis, which i agree you can hardly overestimate the threat from isis now. that would be very good news and a huge achievement by this administration. >> you know, it's interesting because that is something we didn't even see on the horizon a year ago. some argue it could end up being the biggest foreign policy story in 2015. that is, just the collapse of oil prices around the world. talk about the deal with iran and talk about the impact these cratering oil prices could have on vladimir putin in russia? >> susan is right, it puts pressure on iran to find a way to get to a deal. i don't think that's a difficult place for them to be because i don't think the administration has driven a very hard bargain. the administration sees the deal itself as the accomplishment. it almost doesn't even matter what the details of the deal are at this point. they want a deal for the sake of having a deal, largely because people will say, this is an achievement. having gotten the deal. and to do this, to get to this
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point, the administration is willing to just shrug off or set aside -- >> i think that's really unfair. i mean they haven't been negotiating all this time just because they want a deal. they've been negotiating about the particulars. >> there's no question they've been negotiating about the particulars. >> there are certain things they want to get. i can share your cynicism about some of this, but i think john kerry's really worked hard on this. and there is a potential. >> i don't mean to suggest they're not negotiating anything. i mean to suggest that they know they want to get a deal because they'll be praised for ending up with the deal. as we've seen in ordeals the administration has struck, it doesn't matter what the details of the deal are. they want the deal for the sake of having the deal. the diplomacy is the end of -- do you think they're going to have a deal? >> well, who knows. some of it we know. some of it we don't. one reality here which you know well as the intelligence community and the united states is looking over their shoulder
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and it's quite likely they'll blow the whistle on some sort of deal that doesn't give them the sort of verification that they want. >> i don't know. >> we basically caught iran cheating on the interim deal. rather than say, look, we're done. you've proven you're not an effective partner, we can't trust you, the verification measures we have may have worked in this instance. we can't trust them eventually. and the administration doesn't say that, they say we'll give you more time because we're going to get to a deal. >> i just wanted to bring in how thisrussia. the russian ruble had a low against the dollar recently. inflation is accelerating. these are body blows to the putin regime. it willing interesting -- >> but the question is does that make him less aggressive on the world stage or does he, and some say that's what he did in 2014, hold up the shiny object of some new adventure to try to rally the russian people around him. >> i think potentially it makes him more dangerous. how will the kremlin respond?
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will they lash out at their neighbors? will they cut off gas supplies as they've done in the past in the middle of winter? i think they need to be watched. >> all right. we have to take another break. but when we come back, the real fun begins as our sunday group gives us their predictions for 2015. on politics -- >> i want to first look for areas of -- that we can agree on. and there probably are some. >> the era of obama lawlessness is over. the economy -- entertainment and sports. all to come on "fox news sunday's" yeyeyeyeyeye
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we have a year-end tradition around here to have the panel make some predictions for the new year on a range of topics. and you shouldunder the heading often in error, never in doubt jason, start us off on politics. >> barack obama our twice-elected black president, will use his state of the union address to lecture america on the persistence of racism. >> and will he also talk about the issues, the responsibility in the black community? >> no, he will not. >> okay. susan? >> jason you started out talking about how mitch mcconnell is a dealmaker. maybe that was you, chris, who said that. i think we'll see the republican-controlled senate move within the fix six weeks to confirm the nominations of loretta lynch and ashton carter to be secretary of defense in a demonstration that they can get some things done. i think after that they may confirm no one else. >> and does ted cruz throw a wrench into the gears?
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>> ted cruz has the ability to throw a wrench into the gears but mitch mcconnell knows how to work the rules and he's eager to show his skills at that. >> steve? >> jeb bush was the republican front runner and hillary clinton is the democratic front runner. i think a year from now heading into iowa jeb bush will no longer be the republican front runner and hillary clinton will look surprisingly vulnerable as we get ready for voters to actually turn out. >> who will be the front runner on the republican side? >> going into iowa maybe scott walker. maybe rand paul. maybe ted cruz. she said scott walker first. >> and hillary will look vulnerable just because she's been bad or because somebody else will have risen? >> i think there's so little enthusiasm for hillary among the democratic base, as evidenced by her book launch as evidence by her when she gives speeches. another candidate will come along. >> who will that number. >> i have no idea.
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>> so, there are limits to those predictions. bob, your prediction on politics? >> well, first of all, there's a theory of the case here and that is that the republicans are going to nominate somebody who's not a shouter or somebody who's soft, somebody who can govern. i think particularly on your poll is showed governor cast kasich of ohio by 2%. my god he won by 18 points in ohio. blue state, red state. so, i think it's either paul ryan or rand paulings interestingly enough, is not a shouter. i saw him at san francisco at a tech conference a couple months ago. and he charmed absolutely everyone. and so you know it's going to come from the midwest. finally going to have its moment in republican politics. >> we should point out you're a midwest guy, right? >> yes.
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>> and you and you. >> there we go. >> all right. economy, let's move on to there. i think we'd have to say jason, the economy ending the year strong. >> i'm very bullish, chris. yes, 5% growth in the third quarter. consumer spending is up. i could see gdp around 3% in 2015. on unemployment it could get as low as 5%. i think the dow could reach as high as 19,000. >> wow. buy. susan? >> i would say we should curb the feeling about russia's economic problems because it's going to be a big problem for european economies. that will have an affect on our growth as well next year. >> so, you're saying jason's wrong in his -- >> i hope jason is right. but i'm saying that this is a -- while the economic news is generally good for the united states, and we're doing well compared to the rest of the world, there is a cloud on the horizon. >> steve? >> i'm much more bearish than jason is. i think if we see continued
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growth, i expect we'll see continued growth, but if we see that growth, it will come in fits and starts. it won't be a -- certainly we won't be growing from 5%. 3% sounds reasonable. i wouldn't be surprised if we came in below that. unemployment may tick down. i don't think this is likely to be a very good year for the economy. >> bob? >> i forgot what i said. who knows. >> what you said. you should have a note here. you said that obama and congress -- >> yeah. i think tax reform is the giant issue. and if there's ever any movement on that and you want to make sense out of our economy, fix the taxing system, which is all screwed up. and there is a moment for both obama and the republicans to do something. >> okay. that was very interesting. i don't think i've ever had a prediction where the person forgets. just write them down on a piece of paper. >> you asked for our predictions two weeks ago. >> anyway that hasn't changed.
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sports? >> johnny manziel, the cleveland browns' quarterback will continue to disappoint his fans. even when he comes back from his injury. and continue to prove his skeptics correct. i think he's headed for a career closer to tim tebow than eli manning. >> and this thing, show me the money, every time they sack him the defensemen do that right in his face. susan, sports. >> let's go nats. the nats had a -- a little disappointing this year. >> you point out that's washington baseball team. >> washington nationals. but they will make it to the world series next year first time since 1933. they will win the world series. >> finally a bold prediction. i have to say the washington wizards, our basketball team very strong. and john wall, a potential mvp. >> it's our year. >> that's right. it's our year. and america's not going to be particularly happy about that. steve? >> i'm not a washington sports fan generally, but the washington capitals have been on
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a tear and i think are well-positioned to make a run in the stanley cup playoffs. that's not my predictions. my prediction is the wisconsin badgers will win the ncaa men's basketball tournament. why are you laughing? this is a serious prediction. >> should we mention you came from wisconsin. >> listen, i didn't pick the packers to win the super bowl. >> does that show a lack of confidence in the packers? >> we've had a couple rough games over buff sxloe tampa. i think the packers will do well and could make a super bowl run. i'm just very confident in the badgers. >> i'm handing bob -- there's your prediction. >> now this one i remember because i did some reporting and i put -- actually put some thought into is it. and that is danny snyder, the owner of the redskins, who's had past success in business, will realize he's part of the problem and he's going to sell it. he's going to sell the redskins. and the bidding war is going be between apple and google.
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they are the ones that have the money. they're the only ones who could afford it. i mean, think of the washington apples? >> let me say, i think there's absolutely no chance of that happening. i know mr. schneider a little bit, he ain't selling. less than two minutes left. >> fewer and fewer people will go to the movies. it will have nothing to do with the hackers. the future is home entertainment systems. streaming systems like amazon.com and netflix and i think hollywood needs to change its distribution model. >> i'll be bold on entertainment and say a kardashian will post something outraygeous on the internet. i bet it turns out to be true. >> steve? >> some hollywood starlet or movie star will over dose this year and it will be tragic. i was just trying to be as bold as susan. >> that's really a buzz kill. >> my real -- the new star wars movie will break all sorts of
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box office records and it will happen regardless of whether the movie is good or bad. >> and what's your prediction? will it be good or bad? >> i think the junkie srkss won't like it and the rest of the movie consuming public will. >> roh you? >> i'm not. >> have you seen any of them? >> i've seen four. >> there have been six. >> my kids are really. >> with 30 seconds left, bob? >> something ha happened that year, the hat gun, you going to show me my list on sony. is, that is a giant problem. steve knows, you talk to people in the intelligence world, there's no privacy. i think next year is going to be the year of the hack. and there will be many, many more. >> and interestingly enough, hollywood already engaging in some self-sensorship. thank you, panel. we're going to keep this in a safe place and see you you did
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with your predictions. that's a threat, not a promise. we'll be right back with an interview with laura hillenbrand.
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the movie unbroken opened christmas day. it's the story of world war ii hero, louis zamporini. the woman who introduced most of us to louis in a best-selling book has faced her own heroic struggle. and james rosen tells her story. >> i think louis has become an inspiration for a generation of people. he is a man who survived the seemingly unsurvivable. >> laura hillenbrand is the author of the best-selling true life story sea biscuit and unbroken. >> and i think all of us can look at his life and the things he golt through and then look at our own troubles and think, if he got through that, why can't i get through this? >> but she has her own amazing story of courage and resilience. >> it used to be called chronic
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fatigue syndrome. it is characterized by profound exkaugs and a lot of other symptoms. difficulty concentrating trouble with balance. trouble with most of the system ises of the body. >> such would attempt many from attempting writing a book but her condition, if anything strengthened her bond with her subject. >> someone gave him a copy from "the new yorker," the sudden illness. about my journey with the illness. he realized upon reading that that i understood what it was like to suffer profoundly. one day, i got a little package from him in the mail. and he had written next to it i think you zefr there was a
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period of time when i was working on unbroken, i was simply too weak to walk to the car. it's that serious. >> so serious that she could scarcely make it out of bed and had to conduct her 75 interviews with him by telephone. they never met until after unbroken became a run away best seller. >> hello! >> the big screen version directedly directedly angelina jolie opened this weekend. sadly, he passed away in july. hillenbrand ensured his legacy will endure. >> how are you? >> people read his story listen to him speak and they feel the breath of inspiration coming into them. they feel like they can get through their troubles. >> it's a lesson of a spirit unbroken embedded in laura's own story as well.
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chris? >> thanks. finally, we want to thank you for watching us each week throughout this busy news year. as we say good-bye to 2014 and look ahead to 2015, here are the names of all the people who have worked so hard every week to put this program on the air. from all of us, happy new year and we'll see you next fox news sunday.
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