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office depot & officemax. gear up for great. all right. here's the very latest. rails held pretty much across france today as they beef up security ahead a big demonstration sunday, officials fearing more attacks could follow, are worried about it. police a perimeter around disneyland, paris today. movement around the park has since returned to normal. and attorney general eric holder heading to paris expected to take part in the terror talks set tomorrow. here's the biggest mistake the governments have made. we have promoted multiculturalism. promoted division within our societies. we have said to large numbers of people, you can come here from any part of the world, oh, and by the way please don't bomber to learn our language, don't integrate in any way at all. you can take over hold parts of
our turn tos and cities and we'll see it's made us a wonderful diverse nation. that hasn't worked. >> all right. nigel, a man many say could be a future prime minister of britain and marine sergeant dakota meyers says he's right. awarded a medal of honor. sergeant, what he's saying is we're essentially being too politically correct? >> you know, i mean -- talking about the no-go zones over in france. >> right. >> and look, it's a -- i mean, look, the great thing is that will never happen in america. i mean, really what can citizen doss? how do they stand up when they're not armed? it's crazy to have these no-go zones. the thought of that, i mean i hadn't even heard of it until a couple days ago. >> what nigel was saying, too, sergeant, in a multicultural society, we should encourage
multiculturalism, but not to the point where each culture sort of goes off on its own. something he says is particularly common with muslims. what did you make of that? >> well, i mean look, i think the great -- the thing that makes america great is that anyone can come here. wethary muslim, christian, jew or whether -- no matter what race you are or no matter ethnicity, you get to come to america and be successful. once you come here and start dividing, well that's against everything we stand for. >> you know, sergeant the french president hollande he was very very reluctant to violate these no-go zone policies saying that it would stigmatize muslims to aggressively seek out bad elements in those communities. what did you make of that? >> well, i mean, i think we need to stop worrying about you know, of singling people out and just start going -- we have to understand what the problem is.
you know, the problem isn't muslims. the problem is radical muslims. i mean, it's a -- it's the radical side of it. i mean we've got to go against it and stand up to it. stop worrying about hurting people's feelings and doing what's right and standed up for what the country is. >> so when a lot of these leaders in yemen and inspiring these attacks are saying, you war against us, america, franceance or england we war against you. do you think if we to stop tomorrow, sergeant, that they would stop? >> stop? no. absolutely not. i mean, look the thing is, that these are people who are never going to stop. these are people who are never going to stop going against us. they hate us. they hate us and have no real reason. it's an idea. you know, and really they're going to come up with another reason. if we stopped, another line they would draw. there's no reason to stop. these people are terrorists. i don't know when there was negotiating with terrorists. >> do you worry there hasn't been more of a strong response
for moderate muslims? we've seen some, but not to the degree that many argue we should, to counter this extremist view? >> well i mean, i haven't -- i haven't really done a lot of research on that. i don't know who's stood up against it or not. i don't think it's a matter of muslims. it's a matter of everyone around the world to stop it and it's a simple thing. it's terrorists. we've got to stop it. the real problem is that we're not doing anything about it. we have no plan. the last national security strategy we had was in 2010 and is mentioned more about global warming than it did about radical islam. we need a new strategy. >> you know, i was thinking ahead of your coming here and whether these attacks are represented to whether we're fighting, you know, radical islam or not, if you think about it we've upped the war on isis.
and they refer to that. but they were doing this before the war on isis. so your argument is no matter what they're still going to be coming after us. so what do we do as a nation, if we're constantly under attack? >> look, the thing is, it's that we as a nation need to understand one thing. these people are not going to stop. it is time to declare war against this problem, and the problem is radical islam. we haven't done that yet. so once we declare war we're able to go and use other assets and resources and lead the way to fight in this problem. it's time. i mean, neil, what it's going to take? what is it going to take for us as american people to understand that they're not going to stop? i mean is it going to take dirty bomb? is it going to take a nuclear bomb going off at abraham lincoln's feecht at thefeet? i mean what's it going to take? >> we continue to fight it i
think we -- no. we continue to fight it, and they continue to fight us. so maybe it's the fight that we're waging that isn't working. what do you think? >> i mean, i go back to what i just said. i mean, i think it's a strategy. we don't have a plan. you know? we're famous for just jumping from war to war. know what i mean? not finishing anything. we've got to look, get the politics out of it. we've got to get the lawyers out of it and we need to let our men and women go and fight this problem. and that's what it is. we've got the best military on the face of the earth. but we need to get our lawyers out of it. if you're going to send them over, let them go fight. let them do it. if we made war ugly enough if we made war so ugly that people didn't want to fight us, well, then we wouldn't have this problem. >> i heard from a military -type yesterday. a sergeant who said the type of battles we wage try to wipe this out whether in yemen or what we're doing now in syria with isis, maybe that's not working.
maybe we have to go in to these communities, everywhere and weed them out. but that's not politically correct. what do you think? >> well it doesn't matter what's politically correct. you know? what's the right thing to do is like i just said. we get our men and women, send them over. send the finest men on the face of the earth. we send them over and let them do their job. we let go of the reins and let them fight the war without everybody sitting in yeah armchair quarterbacking every move they make. until they walked a mile in those shoes, they don't know what it's like. and we've seen it. i mean you know, another thing is, neil i keep seeing this. i want americans to understand. you know, these terrorists are taking hits. they only take hits on soft targets. you know? i keep hearing people say, look, these are -- these people in france were highly trained. i didn't see anything about them highly trained unless there's another video out i might have not seen. what they're doing is taking soft targets. and you know -- we've got to understand that they prey on the
weak. you know, look, what do they have to worry about? they don't have any armed citizens in france. that's a problem. >> do you get a sense we've given up the find? wound down the war in afghanistan, cutting the defense budget. we're just not into it? we just lost the sergeant. my apologies. in the meantime if this is what happens when a convicted terrorist is released over there, why does that bring terrorists over here? isn't the only return i'm looking forward to. for some every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. which is why usaa is honored to help our members with everything from investing for retirement to saving for college. our commitment to current and former military members and their families is without equal. start investing with as
during break. do we keep track where they go? >> track of where we drop them off. where they go after that only if we pick them up again and the rate has been about i think pushing 30%. >> resip vigil -- >> exactly. those of theare the ones we know about. >> so when we release them, say they go to tunisia. >> kazakhstan. >> we hope those respective governments keep tabs on them. that's not always case? >> correct. that's not always the case and those government don't have the resources we do. they have problems of their own and take these people and it's hard to expect them to keep tabs on each one of them. >> do you think in light of the paris developments, though that that changes? that maybe the administration rethinks its empty gitmo out policy? >> do i think they will? >> yeah. >> no, i don't. i think they have a strategy
they are pursuing relentlessly. releasing people a little bit at a time. five now. five later. there have been fights-of- flights going out of guantanamo. get down to 80 such that it is no longer economical to keep the facility open on a per capita basis. the cure of that, bring more of them to guantanamo. that's not the way they see it. they want to get it down to 60 or 80 and presumably get congress to bring them here opening up a whole set of different problems worst than we have now. >> those 60 or 80 remaining, do we know anything about them? >> absolutely. these are people who are either being try ford participation in 9/11, or else people marked for detain without trial, because we have enough to know who they are and what they've done, but not enough to try them, because the evidence is inadmissible for whatever reason. >> the french are saying, even though we -- a no-fly zone.
telling me yesterday, a lot of people on no fly lists for a variety of reasons, but that we had even you know, telegraphed these guys had been meeting in yemen. one on his way to syria. and the french presumably were overwhelmed. they couldn't keep up with this. they didn't have the resources to keep up with it. i think i heard to track one guy 24/7 take upwards of a double dozen men? >> cup possibly do that. you can't possible track every person you suspect of being a potential terrorist to the sort we saw in the last couple of days. you can't possible track all of those people. >> these guys are caught more than the -- if were you there and telegraphed to these guys, would they be more deserving of yore attention than say others? >> i'd like to think so but can i honestly sit here and sigh i would have paid more attention jie could not, because there are a lot of other people who fit pro sycely the profile they fit
before they did what they did yesterday. >> what do you think of these no-go zones? >> outrageous. it is the europeans essentially giving up on their own civilization and giving these people a closed zone in which they not only -- not only is it a no-go zone, but for the people who live there, they're run essentially by sharia courts and law and woe on anyone who steps out of line. even the people who get there. >> how did it get this our control? >> failure of will. look, western -- the western -- western europe for decades has been cutting its defense budgets, cutting its military. relying on us, and up until now, reliably relying on us to keep the peace while they -- while they did whatever they did. i mean we were the -- we were the, one writer put it, we were the sharive and they were the guy who owned bart. as long as the people who came to the bar didn't break the
place up they didn't particularly care what they were like on the outside. >> one guest told me this week, michael, if you buy the argument even 1% of the 1.6 billion muslims on earth are violent and accept this behavior, that's 1.6 million. >> that's a lot of folks. >> yeah. >> yes. look, there are two -- there are two things that recruit people to this. one is the religion and the second is success. i don't know whether we can do anything about the religion but we can certainly do something about the success and that has to be cut down. >> that also means going into the belly of the beast. going into these neighborhoods. going into these so-called no-go zones. >> and not apologizing for it and going in in force. you pointed out in one of your pieces yesterday that there hasn't been resistance to their going into the no-go zones now. somebody attributed it to the fact that even the imams in the no-go zones saying this is
terrible stuff, but my guess is a lot of it has to do with the fact they're going in in force. they're not tiptoeing in. >> yeah. not bringing cups of tea with them. >> correct. >> michael o'casey former attorney general of these fine united states. well if year cutting spending on defense in the middle of all this, then do we have the money for all the other stuff the president wants to do? former ceo's heinz thinks not. he's next. huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know you that former pro football player ickey woods will celebrate almost anything? unh-uh. number 44... whoooo! forty-four, that's me! get some cold cuts... get some cold cuts... get some cold cuts! whooo! gimme some! geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. whoo! forty-four ladies, that's me! whoo...gonna get some cold cuts today!
established through the [ speaking in foreign language ] and then if case needs be, vow them to get to the [ speaking in foreign language ]. this will be resolved to facilitate the public. there will be a public order plan, and a plan of exceptional magnitude in order to make sure that the rally goes well and also in order to be able to guarantee to the people attending the rally maximum security. 24 units of the national reserve and public order representatives will also be present, and they will be responsible for ensuring ease or fluid of arrival of the
people that are well-known and also to show the public where they have to go. 150 civil police officers will be responsible for the protection of the well-known personalities and also for the general supervision of the public and there will be 20 teams from paris that will ensure ensure detection of risk individuals. there will are sharp shooters on the roofs. the roofs and drains will be inspected in advance. there will be 56 teams of -- that will escort the personalities. >> you are listening to the french interior minister outlining what will be a day of peace tomorrow in paris that will draw, they are saying more than a million individuals, including the leaders of great britain and italy switzerland and a host of others.
a very large gathering. the country is talking about beefing up security for that, and even talk in france about beefing up their terrorist security in light of the attacks last week. bill johnson a former head of heinz says that's probably a good idea something we should consider in this country as well, but, bill we're throwing back from that. going in the opposite direction. what do youy in of that? >> a couple of things. the threat is increasing and we're so concerned about social issues, and redistribution of wealth and income inequality and the green issue and so forth, but the reality is the government's primary role and primary reason it was put in place is to protect american citizens and i don't think they're doing a very good job of that. i think the willful naivete about this entire issue in the way people are speaking about it and a lack of leadership frankly all over the world in dealing with it, with the possible exception of the egyptian president who made very strong statements the other day is really kind of concerning and
it really ought to have americans' attention, but unfortunately, i'm not sure it does. >> i just don't know if this was the week to be talking up things like, free colleges for kids, or more housing aid. leaving aside the fact we're broke and don't have the money we have to get our priorities straight. right? >> absolutely. in the first place there's no such thing as free college. somebody's going to pay for it and typically the middle class who once again gets hit because of a lack of understanding or incite into the pressures on the middle class right now but i think the other thing, neil, we all have to recognize is that during periods of crisis, leadership steps up and talks to people and takes them through it. i was appointed chairman or became chairman of heinz on the day of 9/11, 2001. and we had 3,000 people scheduled to come to our annual meeting. you talk about having to deal with an issue on the first day of my chairmanship. those are the kind of things
that leaders get paid to do and the kinds of things that great men step up to. i just don't see it unfortunately. >> you know, we had early reports, if i can be crass on the economic side of this, that said, a lot of french refused to leave their homes. the stores were empty. restaurants were em tytimp empty. that's going to show up in numbers down the road. obviously, does what terrorists want to do. what do you think of that? >> it's crippling and paralyzing and will eventually hit the economy, particularly if these repeat and random acts of vile. i think it eventually have have a very debilitating effect on the economy. remember 9/11 had an incredible impact on the economy. the markets shut about seven eight days and i think repeatedly over time this will cause people to cocoon. they'll stay in their home, not sure what to do where it's safe to go out and it ultimately will have an impact on the economy and again we're in a global
economy, we're all interrelated and i think eventually that those pressures will all pay a -- we'll all pay a price for. >> i had forgotten you had taken over on 9/11. i should have known that. bill johnson former heinz ceo. meanwhile, soft targets, the new targets for terrorists. already saw it in boston. are we prepared for it again? thanks. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable global commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. great job. (mandarin) ♪ ♪ cut it out. >>see you tomorrow. ♪ ♪
at the very latest for this saturday morning now calling for the woman any other the center of the paris terror attacks to turn herself in. 234is this as the massive manhunt continues. one of the terrorists claiming in the attack retaliation for western military campaigns against extremists in syria and mom mali, and arsenal of wednesday including an ma-82 rocket
launcher and setting up boobytraps. we have the very latest from paris. >> reporter: neil, we are expecteding a huge march and ral toy show unity against extremism in the city center of paris tomorrow. we're told that 150,000 police and security personnel will secure the crowd expected to be at a million people or more and will also feature the leaders not just of france but also england, germany italy and spain. those leaders also expected to attend this rally here tomorrow in a city and country very much on edge. today key members of the french government held a two-hour meeting to discuss what measures might be take ton try and stop future attacks and three themes emerged. mobilization solidarity and vigilance. this nation remains on its highest state of alert with an ongorge intensive search by thousands of security forces for that woman believed to