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wait to get the real e-mails. i bet we will find one like that on there. >> have a great weekend. good morning. the deadline is ticking on iran. hi i'm maria bartiromo. welcome to "sunday morning futures." prime minister netanyahu says he sees a bad deal coming with iran. president obama says he heard nothing new. did the white house hear enough to push iran for more? senator john barrasso is with me. and our top arab negotiator george mitchell both joining us. we will ask senator barrasso about hillary clinton's e-mails
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and all correspondence related to libya. could striking fuel workers be to blame for rise in the gas price. we look ahead this morning on "sunday morning futures." democrats in congress say they will give the president until march 24 to strike a suitable deal with iran before siding with their republican colleagues and pressing for further sanctions despite a push this past week by majority leader mitch mcconnell to fast track senate approval rejected by democrats. after benjamin netanyahu's fiery speech before congress insisting the deal as it stands is a bad one. john barrasso is chairman of the public policy committee. assuming the deal being talked about right now includes iran continuing to enrich uranium is
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it a bad deal? >> that's my concern because i think people all around the world know that a world where iran has a nuclear weapon is a world that is less safe less stable and less secure. my concern is the president is so eager for any deal that he will go with a bad deal. that's why it is critical. >> by the way, we should point out that it's are not just the americans who are concerned about the arab states in the region are also concerned. you spent time with the former kingfelt you have heard first-hand about the concerns that the neighboring countries are talking about the fact that iran supports shiite muslim groups in libya, syria and hezbollah. >> i was in saudi arabia earlier this year visiting with the leaders there including the current king.
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and the discussions always go back to iran with a nuclear weapon and the nuclear arms race that will now follow because if iran has a nuclear weapon saudi arabia wants one, egypt will want one turkey will want one. we will see a significant escalation of nuclear arms world wide. >> what is the realistic time table on dealing with iran? this march 24 deadline and then june deadline. >> i think we need to put sanctions back if they don't hit this deadline. sanctions are what brought iran to the table in the first place. they need the money for their economy and also for their appetite. they're funding efforts in yemen, hezbollah hamas. anything we can do to hold their money i think holds their feet to the fire.
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>> a lot to get to with you. first crunch time fast approaching in these nuclear talks with iran. will a deal be reached by the end of march or will tehran be hit with new sanctions. fox news senior correspondent joins us with that angle. >> good morning everyone. the senate could start considering a bill tomorrow that would require the president to submit any agreement with iran to congress. others worry that won't nearly be enough. the iotola is a maniac. he is insane. >> former new york city mayor rudy giuliani joined others along with more than 20000 protesters in berlin warning against pending bad deal with iran. the rally sponsored by the largest iranian opposition group, national council of resistance of iran declared western powers should not give
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any day light to build a possible bomb. >> translator: came to the negotiation table out of desperation. such a policy amounts to fundamentalism. western powers must end it. >> the proposed deal does reduce the level of uranium enrichment and takes other measures and increases some inspections by the u.n. >> all of our partners are consistently exchanging and sharing information sharing ideas, working together, meeting and helping to try to drive this to the good conclusion that we want. >> critics charge it does not dismantle one single centrifuge.
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some facilities would be offlimits and nuclear missiles remain untouched. >> the minute they become a nuclear power saudi arabia does. egypt does. jordan does. and then you are going to end up with a real problem in the middle east. >> the white house supporters say a imperfect deal is better than no deal at all. we should learn how good or bad the deal is if there even is one. >> thanks very much. more now with senator john barrasso. senator, are you poised to say increase the sanctions against iran unless we see a commitment to stop supporting terrorists around the world as well as stopping the enrichment of uranium? >> absolutely. i want to make sure that any deal is accountable, enforceable and verifiable. i'm ready to vote and i'm ready
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to vote for or against depending on what the deal says. >> let me move to obamacare. you attended oral arguments this past wednesday. you are a medical doctor for 25 years. what's your sense of the current playing field in terms of the supreme court looking at obamacare. >> the supreme court has asked whether the president has acted illegally in having the irs send subsidies to people under the president's health care law. the question in front of the court is does the law mean what it says or does it mean what president obama wishes it says? and it has to do with the subsidies that go out. i was in the state legislature all of the time. legislation comes from washington and says if you want the money you must do this. the health care law says to states if you want people there in your state to get subsidies then you must set up a state exchange.
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now, that's what the supreme court will decide in about 3 1/2 months. the secretary of health and human service says the administration has no plan b. they have made no plans for if the supreme court rules against them but republicans are ready with an opportunity to provide temporary transition and help for people that have been hurt by the law. we want to protect the people but not protect the law if the supreme court rules against the administration. >> and of course, this case is one of the year's most important subjects with the potential to roll back that portion of obamacare. it seems to me that the states would like to run their own health care system the way they see fit and it is hard to really put a brush stroke one way on all of the states when you have different states with different strengths in terms of health care and not all should be the same. what is your take in terms of
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the states handling their own health care? >> the states ought to be the ones making the decisions about the individual mandate the employer mandate, all of the different requirements and what kind of insurance people have to have. whenever washington makes the one size fits all decision it doesn't work in all states all around the country. so the republican proposal is to give the states more flexibility and freedom and choice and therefore give the people in those states those additional opportunities to actually get the insurance that works for them so that they can get the care they need from a doctor they choose at lower cost and buy the insurance that works for them and not what president obama says they need. >> it makes a lot of sense and that is what we have heard from various governors. let me move on to hillary and the e-mails scandal here. all e-mails from her private
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e-mail during government business. there is a big security issue here. what strikes you about this story? >> whether what she did was legal or illegal it was wrong. i believe her e-mail system was set up so she could hide things. i want to see all of the e-mails, not just e-mails that she has so far released because you don't know whatential is out there. what did she delete and destroy and who else saw these? from a national security standpoint, did spies see these? did hackers see these? thehe democrats are scrambling because they have all their eggs in the hillary political basket for 2016. this is a continuation of the conflict that stick to the clintons no matter where they go. >> there is going to be obviously efforts by the republicans to get those but i
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believe the press is going to want to see those, as well. she has been pretty much blocking requests for information on her e-mails for an extended period of time even under the freedom of information act so i think there is an increasing cry to release e-mails that will play into the presidential campaign and we will never know if we get them all. they will always be that continuing doubt about what she is hiding. >> thanks very much for joining us today. we'll be watching. >> prime minister netanyahu's speech stirring up a lot of partisan heat. does it pressure the white house to push for a tougher deal with tehran. george mitchell is on deck. i hope you will follow me on twitter. let us know what you would like to hear from senator mitchell who is coming up next live. stay with us as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures."
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president obama rack reacted to the speech by saying it wasn't anything new. the critique has added to an already heavy burden of persituation. george mitchell special envoy for northern ireland from 1995 to 2001. it is an honor to have you on the program today. thanks for joining us. so the aim of the negotiations is to persuade iran to restrain its nuclear program in exchange for relief from these sanctions. do you believe the deal that is being talked about today would do that? >> well we don't know what the deal is. we will have to wait until an agreement is reached if one is reached. still about 50/50 before we can make the final judgment on it. i do think that the prime
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minister helped himself in his re-election campaign. i don't know what the ultimate effect will be there. i think he also has made it, he has emboldened opponents giving them some substance and assurance making it more difficult for the president. in the end it will depend mostly on the verification provisions in the agreement that we're about to reach, about 50/50. >> wasn't it important for him to emboldin the critics? putting his reelection aside you talk to the arab nations in the surrounding areas who are all concerned by the fact that iran does support terrorist groups like hezbollah and has been continuing this enrichment of uranium which ultimately will lead to a nuclear bomb. >> there has been a long
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standing centuries long animosity between persians and arabs. there is nothing new about that. when i was in the region and met with the arab leaders the first thing they said was you have to attack iran. they would like us to bomb iran. that has been the case for a very long time. is this circumstance their interest aligned with that of israel? they don't ordinarily but do in this case. there was one report which i don't know if it is true or not was reported that when the hangman placed the noose around saddam hussein's neck the last words spoke were damn the persians. that's a conflict of ancient origins going on for a long time, absolutely nothing new that the gulf arabs are opposed to the persians who are also shi'a while the arab states are sunni so there is a double edge
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to that conflict and would like the united states to bomb iran. >> what about these sanctions? let's talk about the idea that there are a fair amount of people in congress who would like to increase the sanctions against iran. >> almost everyone agrees that the reason iran is at the table is because the sanctions are having a crippling effect on their economy. the reason the sanctions are effected are due to the fact that they are universal. these are not unilateral u.s. sanctions china, russia britain germany france. the countries joining with us in the negotiations are enforcing the sanctions as well. the united states senate could increase sanctions to the sky but if those countries don't go along the sanctions go from effective to ineffective and that's what will happen. these five countries are in the negotiations with us.
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if they with us reach an agreement with iran they are not going to join the sanctions and join the senate and congress in upping the sanctions and the sanctions will be undermined. those who argue let's have the congress pass a law increasing sanctions ignore the reality of the situation that if the sanctions become unilateral they become ineffective. >> this is a very important point. so what is the best way to get iran to slow down this enrichment process? >> iran is a signatory to the nuclear nonproliferation agreement. under that agreement the parties, one of which is iran, have the right to use nuclear power for peaceful purposes. the president of iran say that iran doesn't want a nuclear weapon.
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the problem is that the actions of their government contradict their assertions. there are today nine nuclear powers in the world. there are dozens of countries that have the capability of producing nuclear weapons who voluntary refrain from doing so because they know it's in their best interest not to make nuclear weapons. iran should be in that category. the question really is, do the leaders of iran have the common sense to understand that their national interest lies in not making nuclear weapons although they should be able to produce nuclear power for peaceful uses? >> and you think they understand that? >> well i think they understand it but these people have judgments based on ideologies and other factors that they don't judge them in the same context that we do. that is the real challenge. and i agree there is a danger they are getting a weapon
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because to produce proliferation. the problem is rejecting a reasonable agreement even if it's not absolutely 100% perfect is more likely to produce a nuclear armed iran. >> great to have you on the show today. we'll be right back. get theraflu... ...with the power of three medicines to take on your worst pain and fever cough and nasal congestion. it breaks you free from your toughest cold and flu symptoms. theraflu. serious power. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement
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it is day 36 of america's largest oil refinery strike. enough steel workers have walked off the job to potentially disrupt 20% of the total oil refining capacity which could be one reason why gasoline prices are rising. there are reports now that some union members are crossing picket lines to return to work. the longest serving secretary of
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labor since world war ii from 2001 to 2009. great to see you again. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> let's talk about the steel workers strike and the impact of this. we know that it has had an impact on the price of gasoline and oil. what is your broader take away from this steel workers strike? >> you know i think the timing of this is not especially ad advantageous for organized labor. the economy is mixed. if you look at the unemployment numbers even though the unemployment rate dropped to 5.5% lots of other economic indicators are still quite soft. for example initial claims filed increased. it went over the 300,000 threshold mark which is usually a mark to the quality of the improvement of the economy. productivity gains dropped. gdp growth was negative 2.2%.
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so there are lots of things happening in the economy that does not bode well for a long extended strike because there is still slack in the recovering job market. if you look at the labor participation rate it is quite low. when i was secretary of labor the average labor participation rate was about 67.7%. now it is 62.8%. in a workforce of 150 million people that percentage point means a lot of people who have left the workforce because they have become discouraged and are no longer looking for work. that is why the unemployment rate is dropping. >> i think you make a great point because we see the numbers coming out every month from the labor department. and the headlines appear to be getting better that more jobs are being created. when you dig deeper and see the labor participation rate continuing to go down and wages
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having not moved in a long time, what is going on that is creating these challenges for the jobs market? >> i think it is very very puzzling. i think one of the other reasons, we need to look at the seasonal adjustment factors. when the seasonal adjustment formula was put in place 40 years ago our economy was very very different. it was primarily manufacturing construction. over the winter months construction employment fell, manufacturer employment fell because car plants, automobile manufacturers shut their plants in january. so american employment numbers fell by 10% during the winter months. now because we are so increasingly a service economy during the winter months season ality doesn't impact the employment numbers that much as it did before and the american
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employment numbers dropped only about 2% during the winter months. so we need to be looking at how seasonally adjusted numbers can be better refined and look at the quality of the seasonal adjustment, as well. i'm not saying get rid of it but for transparency sake for investors on wall street and investors overall we perhaps should be releasing two numbers. one is the actual raw data as to how many -- what has been the actual unemployment numbers for the month and then release seasonally adjusted number. they currently do that with the initial claims filed. should not be too much of a stretch for them to offer the raw unemployment numbers the gains and losses and the seasonally adjusted. that would give investors a much better view for what is the true dynamics of the workforce. it is happening so quickly.
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seasonal adjustments are annually based. investors decisions are made so rapidly we should be at least looking at it from a monthly basis as well. these are some of the other complicating factors that are kind of impacting on the quality of our assessment of what is really happening in the labor market. >> it seems that businesses are hording cash once again. they are not investing in cap x which we were expecting and they are not hiring as much as you would like to see because of the uncertainties around the expense side of the business the cost of obamacare, the uncertainty around taxes. it is hard to believe that companies will start increasing the workforce in large numbers with benefits when you have all of those uncertainties out there. where are the jobs right now from your standpoint? where do you see employment opportunities? >> most of the jobs as we just saw in the monthly reports are increasingly in the service
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sector. and this means that the wages are not as high as they -- in the like hospitality restaurant and things like that. what is happening is that older workers are leaving just about one quarter of the labor participation rate decrease is due to 25% of basically older workers leaving. when they leave at a higher salary and new workers come in at a lower salary that would also add to the low salary overall that we are seeing in the service sector. so what we are seeing now is our economy is increasingly complicated and information technology, hospitality health care all these service sectors are increasingly important. a worker that is more educated more skilled is going to have a better time at finding a job in this economy because our overall economy is increasingly
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knowledge-based. >> and that means consulting legal work, a lot of business services. great to have you on the program. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> president obama telling cbs news he is glad secretary clinton wants her e-mails released because his white house is the most transparent in history. our panel starts right there as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures." eh, you don't want that one. yea, actually i do. it's mucinex fast-max night time and it's got a nasal decongestant. is that really a thing? it sounds made up. mucinex fast max night time for multi-symptom relief. breathe easy. sleep easy. let's end this.
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today marks one year since disappearance of malaysia airlines flight 370 and the families of those on board still desperate for answers about what happened to their loved ones. the battery in the locater beacon have already expired for a full year before the plane vanished. that boeing 777 was flying when it disappeared. search crews continue to scour. australia's prime minister saying the operation can't go on forever but as long as there are reasonable leads the search will go on. >> islamic terror group boko haram reportedly pledging allegiance to isis, that
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according to unverified message on twitter showing the group's leader making a note of caliphate and reports boko haram fighters are gathering for a potential show down with that country's security forces. we will be back with more news and doctors are in joining us two hours from now for house call at 12:30 eastern. back to "sunday morning futures" and maria. >> since the news broke that hillary clinton solely used personal e-mail while secretary of state there have been questions as democrat's presidential nominee. take a look at the latest fox news poll taken march 1 through march 3 as the news of e-mails starting to break her honesty ratings have virtually flipped.
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we want to bring in our panel on this. a long-time strategist and business and political leader associate and he is a fox news political analyst. fellow at manhattan institute. and a fox news contributor. and a member of the "wall street journal's" editorial board. good to see you. let's talk about the hillary e-mails. what is your sense of this? >> the clintons always seem to not play by rule. certainly as secretary of state she should have had her e-mails supervised and protected by the state department. why she did this is beyond me. i think to a certain extent one more knick in the armor. >> the issue has been security. you're secretary of state. >> we have seen stories about
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china and everybody else. in the state department you have the ability to protect some of that. >> why are we finding out about this two years after she left office? did she ever send president obama one of her private e-mails from her private internet domain? from her private server in her private home? was the white house not aware that this was going on? there is the sense that hillary plays by different rules than the rest of us. and in an era where we are trying to talk about the plight of the middle class this does not bode well. >> they keep saying, the obama administration says they are most transparent administration ever? >> this is the second scandal in the course of a month surrounding the clintons. you had the clinton foundation scandal where they are taking money from foreign governments while hillary was secretary of state. it is absurd to think that hillary clinton does not appreciate the rules of the state department or the
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importance of the security of documents. look at all of the other scandals revolved around documents that disappeared and suddenly discovered at a convenient time. it seems as if she plays by different rules. look at how she responded. she said i want the public to see my e-mail. >> her e-mail? she is a public servant but wanted the state department to release those e-mails. she is in a position to release them. >> do we know that we will see all of the e-mails even the fact that the server was in her home? >> you won't know that. shoo ehas been running for president for eight years now. the clintons are very smart people politically. why they didn't start going through this stuff and thinking about how it could be played against me there are 20 candidates and every day they are giving them more and more ammunition. >> the idea that this administration is the most transparent ever one of the editorials in the journal this weekend struck me and that was
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the keystone cop out oped. one of the lines here from the editorial board nothing obama said to justify his pipeline veto is true. that is an aggressive statement. >> it is fact when he talks about where the review is of this pipeline none of it is true. that is correct. >> and the amount of jobs that are u.s.-related. he keeps saying the oil that is going to go through the pipeline is canadian oil. >> this is a larger problem. look how the administration is characterizing iran. we will talk about that later but they talk about iran as a moderate country with a moderate leader. that's not true either. you can go right down the list but as you say at least when you are talking about keystone you have to take everything he says with a big grain of salt. >> this is purely environmentalists. it would have been very beneficial to the american
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economy and would have created jobs and would have been a safety issue. >> and we have seen a number of derailments. i want to ask you all if you think all of these issues around the e-mails, around the iran deal are actually going to hurt hillary's chances. let's leave that for a second. we want to check in on media buzz to see what is coming up at the top of the hour before we get to that with our panel. >> good morning to you. >> we will build on your segment by looking at the media coverage of hillary and the controversy. i have also got an in depth interview with rand paul on his battles with the media why some are trying to tie him to positions of his father and if he is provocative and if he has too thin skin when it comes to press criticism. >> see you in 20 minutes. secretary kerry meeting with european colleagues this weekend
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we were talking about hillary as we went to a break. my question was will it hurt her chances, this e-mail scandal? >> i think it is a pattern. i think he is the inevitable democrat nominee. >> i don't think she is inevitable. she did not run a great 2008 campaign. we have had a lot of scandal surrounding her. she was secretary of state. >> she is qualified and held every job. she doesn't have the george bush or jeb bush problem. >> she has the clinton problem. >> she has the clinton problem which i think in many ways
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worse. >> two term governors in both cases is pretty significant. let's talk about iran and the dealings that we are seeing here. the point of the negotiations is to lower iran's enrichment capacity. is it going to work? >> i don't think so. at the end of the day john kerry and this president so desperately want a deal that they will take anything. i think it is critical that the congress have some oversight view of this. for the long term security. >> george mitchell made an important point i think. that was the leaders of china and russia and european countries, they also have to go along with increased sanctions. you are nodding your head. >> with respect to senator mitchell i disagree with him. the united states is not respected around the world. president obama does not have currency with the leaders of our major allies in europe.
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senator mitchell seemed to imply we should accept the world the way it is. if france and germany and the uk respected us they would respect increased sanctions. >> i think senator mitchell is right about sanctions. sanctions is an alternative to military action only work if you can get everyone to go along. it is very clear given pushback we are getting on the sanctions that exist that if our allies seem to think this is a good deal we are not able to continue sanctions. >> they are supporting terrorists. they are supporting hezbollah. shouldn't they be punished for that? >> these issues are separate from the important issue of whether or not iran is permitted to get a bomb. >> that behavior is rewarded by this administration whether cuba or anybody. nobody has made a change. they captured our embassy staff
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and sponsored terrorism around the world for the last 40 years. for us to basically reward them by allowing them to get a nuclear weapon which they will. >> and congress can't see it. >> and the idea that john kerry who failed in the middle east wants something on his resume beyond being the senator is what scares the day lights out of me. >> programs began under the shah. can this agreement defer and delay the iranian program? that is the important question. >> first it was no centrifuges and now 6,000. now we are going to legitimize iran as the nuclear power ignoring that rohani is not a moderate. he presided over an immense crack down of the people of iran. he has an american in jail in tehran. obama said he wanted to bring
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iran to community of nations. he is not choosing to share it the details of it with congress. he is asking congress to accept it. >> that is the most extraordinary thing. the most important decision the world faced in congress is not a part of the plan before it is written up as a deal. >> congress can do a great many things. for example they can authorize in advance military action if iran is caught cheating on an agreement. there are many -- >> we know -- haven't been given access to do the checks. >> actually they have been given much greater access than they have had before under the interim agreement which netanyahu opposed and which israelis say is not such a bad thing. >> we are a shared government. republicans and democrats alike in the congress have an obligation to look at this agreement. this is the most important agreement we will have the rest of the administration. the potential is there for it.
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back with our panel. we're talking now about obama care, but before that, you wanted to make a point on the iran negotiations. p. >> yes. and i think bibi got a lot of push back who severely attacked high school speech and said that basically bibi netanyahu had misrepresented what the intelligence community of israel
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thinks about the iranians and the nuclear about himkeclear programbomb program. >> i'm glad he came. >> i wouldn't be care what john brennan says. so my sense is the leaders of the country, he came here, he made his points and i think they were effective. >> i agree. real quick on obamacare. states should be allowed to decide how their health care goes and yet now we're in the supreme court with the obamacare decision. >> this is a clear case, the test of the law is clear. subsidies only going to good changes s exchanged established by the state. so if they reach a different decision, that is a political decision. >> they didn't go that way the last time. >> because ultimately the supreme court is a political body in addition to being a judicial body. >> wow about that. >> and i can to think that they understand that scuttling the president's program that is providing health care to 10 million americans who didn't have it before is a really
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radical thing to do. i'm not sure how they're going to go on this, but i do know that the republicans still haven't presented a coherent alternative to this plan. >> i think it's really sad to say that the supreme court is a political animal. >> it was set up as one of the three branches of government. and now that you're giving credence to the supreme court, maybe you'll give credence to the congress. >> love it. >> i think the bottom line is kennedy and roberts are the two justices we have to worry about. otherwise we're split. if one of them go hes with the liberals, it will be as we said here the law is very clear and obviously it's now a decision that has to be made. >> and i think the irony is that chief justice roberts wanted to present himself as a fair arbiter and i think that's in all likelihood why he made that first obamacare ruling, thinking that it would satisfy the left because he came under a lot of pressure well, guess what you're seeing the same pressure from the political left today
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saying chief justice roberts don't look at the law position about the broader implications. >> and also a little backlash on the right towards the supreme court chief justice. >> quick break and then one thing to watch for the week ahead.
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back with the panel. big thing to watch for the week ahead. >> i'm going to watch democrats in congress to see how they change their behavior after bibi's speech before they. i think they will come around because they will come under a lot of pressure. >> i want to see whether or not hillary clinton is going to be bombarded with subpoenas for information about those e-mails her nundfound days practices and other things that are beginning to become real issues. >> i'm going to watch bibi's re-election. >> i don't think the speech helped his re-election. >> it helped him here.
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>> electorate is very divided. p >> thanks, everybody. thanks for joining us. i'll see you tomorrow on the fox business network. on the "buzz beater," the "new york times" bomb shell on hillary clinton even liberal commentators whipping the up declared democratic candidate. >> if it's true that she they ever used a state department e-mail address, we have something that at first read has no rational explanation to it. >> just seems a dumb move on hillary clinton's part because surely she knew this would come out at some point this time. >> why has this story struck such a nerve?


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