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norm want normal. that is to suggest the co-pilot was fine before it hit the mountain. >> at 700 kilometers per hour. incredible. >> extraordinary story. the pilot locked out. the news continues right now here on the fox news channel. watch this. bill: fox news alert. the stunning and significant developments in the crash of flight *. flight 9525. a french prosecutor saying the copilot intentionally crashed the plane with 150 people on board. martha: this is the news we have received. officials confirm the copilot 28-year-old, locked the the cockpit door, pressed the button it's a twist knob that sent that plane into the long
descent into the mountain. officials say he was conscious and breathing normally. and you could hear the passengers screaming as the pie slot banged on the locked door. bill: what else did the prosecutors have to say? >> reporter: both the french prosecutor in marseille and german prosecuteors are saying 28-year-old andreas lubitz didn't have a terrorist background. he had been with the company germanwings a short time and had floanl just 600 -- flown just 600 hours. what we don't know is why he would want to kill hymn himself
and 150 innocent people on that plane. there was complete silence from the time the captain who is only called patrick s. but that pilot who had lots of experience left the cockpit presumably to go to the bathroom. from that moment there was silence. that was the moment when andreas lubitz put that plane into descent. he did it voluntarily prosecutors say. he did it with the intention of killing everyone on board. he put it into normal landing mode in a place that was not meant for landing. his breathing was normal. there was no sense he was hyperventilating. the passengers let out a zpleem
the final the moments -- in let out a scream in the final moments when they knew they were hitting the mountain. when we heard the pilot had been locked out of the cockpit and he crashed the plane we thought maybe he lost consciousness. but hearing it's deliberate is particularly shocking. for the loved ones to be close to their dead loved ones, this is a double shock. it's being called a case -- an involuntary homicide but that's very likely to change. the prosecutors are saying yes it's a suicide but it's not exactly a suicide when you kill 149 people with you. bill: age 28, came from germany.
other than that we only know that he had 630 hours flying time. he graduated from flight school a year and a half ago. what do we know about the pilot much of anything? >> reporter: the pilot was married with two children. he had 60,000 miles of experience. he wassing a long-term employee of the -- he was a long-term employee of the company. he had chosen the safest moment in a flight to leave the cockpit momentarily. clearly a responsible person. there will be lots of questions about protocol. after september 11 the rules obviously changed. the doors to cockpits were made much more secure. ironclad.
they lock -- when one of the pilots leaves the cockpit when that pilot or flight attendant wants to go back inside they have to enter a security code into a little panel and then the pilot buzzes them in. the pilot can decide not to let them in and manually lock that door and that's apparently what happened. but in the united states there always needs to be two people in a cockpit. in europe that's not the case. andreas lubitz was alone and able to do exactly what he wanted with no one to intervene. that will and line this inquiry. that was another issue is why and how the captain couldn't get back inside. that was because now we know the copilot deliberately wanted to bring that plane down. bill: we know here the rule is lock the cockpit door if a pilot or copilot leaves that area.
then a flight attend damage is forced to sit inside the cockpit. as can of you know they roll the beverage try in front of that area to prevent passengers from entering that area. that's not the rule apparently in europe. martha: shocking news this morning. let's taking a look at what happened to this flight that took off from barcelona and headed to dusseldorf, germany. it crashed at 6,000 above sea level. we are learning all these details in the most stunning way in terms of the way he just twisted a knob apparently that would put it into a controlled descent pattern and drove it literally into the side of that mountain and the stunning sad realization the passengers started to come to.
you think of the 16-year-olds on their way home from a school trip and how frightening it must have been for all these people. let's bring in our next guest. kathleen bangs is a former pilot and training instructor. as this sunk in what goes through your mind? >> just horrific. what goes through my mind is 10 years ago i wrote pane article called "the pilots that shouldn't be." it was to encourage airlines and pilots to start self-reporting. whatever company you go to there are always nut jobs. but there is an honor among the ranges not to report that. but we have a pilot who has been with lufthansa or its subsidiary germanwings with just 600 hours. i can tell you the last thing i would want to do is be a
passenger in the cabin of that airbus when the captain goes to the lavatory and find out there is a pilot with only 600 hours in the cockpit in control of that flight. that in itself is frightening to me. martha: the pilot gave him the opportunity early on. he didn't know, i imagine when that pilot was going to get up and walk out. >> if this is what happened, you know was he just waiting for that opportunity? had he flown with that pilot before? or was he waiting for that perfect opportunity? i was hoping up until this point that what we would hear on the cockpit voice recorder is the pilot had gone on oxygen. then you would hear a different breathing pattern. it would be accelerated because of the adrenaline going through his system.
why would you put that oxygen mask on? if there was smoke the cockpit or there was a decompression and if he was so overcome he fumbled with the cockpit door switch or too panicked to call. if the prosecutors are right. i wish they would stop calling it pilot suicide. it's pilot murder because he took 149 innocent people with him. martha: this is a homicide pilot as you point out who took 149 other lives down with him. the prosecutor described the knob you need to turn to put it into a descent. the airbus planes are so highly computerized and it's hard to
take them off track as a pilot. that's something pilots complained about. >> he did override the logic of the airplane. we knew that at the beginning just the speed he was at. we you are -- we you are mietsed -- we surmised from the beginning. one of the things we'll have to look into right away is better screening and better continual screening of pilot because this happened before. the ntsb had their own findings in a couple high profile pilots called suicide accidents that was egyptair most recently and silk air. the countries of those airlines had different findings. but there is a handful of fairly high profile cases of the crew
members taking over the aircraft itself. we have to revisit the post 9/11 cockpit door. martha: even to the pilot who need to save the flight. kathleen very good information. very sad story. bill: egyptair bound for cairo egypt. on the cockpit voice recorder you can hear the pilot say i rely on god repeatedly and took the plane into the ocean. there is no indication by the prosecutor today that anything was spoken. but what a nightmare for these people on board. you think about that flight descending and the french alps getting closer and closer over that 8-10-minute period. that's a truly living nightmare. martha: it remind you of the
flights on 9/11 when they realized they were not in a pilot error problem. they were being driven into the side of something. in those days it was a building. there is no indication there is an islamic radical element to this particular pilot. we don't know that. bill: overnight there is a ton of other news to get to. saudi arabia bombed gem yemen. the united states bombed isis in iraq. plus there is this ... martha: this just happened yesterday. a deadly twister ripped through parts of oklahoma, carving a path of destruction in a town
that's all too familiar with this kind of devastation. bill: three of the top taliban commanders swapped for bergdahl are trying to get back in the business of terror. would the administration second guess its decision? >> was it worth it? absolutely. we have men and women defending our military and we'll do everything to bring them home if we can and that's what we did in this case.
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martha: the french prosecutor told the unbelievable stunning news that the copilot of the germanwings flight 9525 crashed that flight into the french alps purposely. the pilot was 28 years old. he was a german citizen named andreas lubitzn who initiated and move with the intent to crash the plane. numbers no indication he had a terrorist background meaning he wasn't linked to any known groups according to the early searches of his name and background. but there is so much we don't know about andreas lubitz. the prime minister of spain reacted. 50 of those victims were from spain. bill: another fox news alert.
saudi arabia launching airstrikes on its neighbor to the south yemen. general jack king, thank you for your time today. overnight this is what happened. down here in yemen saudi arabia they have share a common border. they have been concerned about rebel forces, al qaeda forces in yemen for years. here is the red sea to the west. we'll go in on this section of yemen. capital city of sana'a. over the last week alone the shiia rebels have taken sana'a, they moved down to t air z and over to aden. also there is an air pace the u.s. has been using for years now going after al qaeda targets, people like an an warp
al-awlaki. >> it's significant because what is happening here is the strategically the balance of power and the political order as we know it in the middle east is shifting. and it's shifting obviously in favor of iran. these are iranian-backed movement. the houthis taking over a country gaining influence significantly in iraq. saudi arabia is being done at the expense of suffereddive arabia man the case of p.m. -- at the expense of saudi arabia. our guys had to retreat from that air base 30 or so miles from aden. why were they there?
this aqap who were responsible for the terror attacks. this is a serious security issue. we have lost our cape bit to influence that. bill: the best bomb makers in the world. you mentioned iran and the shiia-backed militia operating in iraq. in were airstrikes carried out by the united states. 90 miles from the town of tikrit. 1,000 isis fighters here, 30,000 iraqis backed by some of the shiia militia. are we we now on the brink after regional war in the middle east? >> there has been a spillover war that's taken place as many of us said would happen coming from syria and social, political upheaval that took place there. the radical islamists falling in.
the fact we did not back the moderate rebels particularly when they had the momentum against assad. we have that spillover war. the issue is the united states is providing airstrikes. there are some iraqi forces and sunni tribes here but i'm glad we are doing this frankly. we have got to blunt the influence of the returnans in iraq. that's a step in that direction if we make this conditional. by that i mean we are not going to into support this effort unless the iranians step back. bill: this on a day when the nuclear negotiations in switzerland with iran resume yet today. general, thank you. jack keane out of washington. martha: we want to take you back to this news conference just underway. this is the german transport
minister. let's listen to what he has to say about the crash. >> it's designed that the opening from the inside is always possible. whenever opening of the dierls not possible from the inside, it can be across sessioned from the outside by a code. unless it is explicitly and deliberately blocked. you may be able to remember that after 9/11 this regulation was introduced in planes and that older planes were also fitted with this door. but technology. as the copilot said anything after the descent of the plane
began? >> that the captain or copilot leaves the cabin can happen for simple reasons but we don't have any ideas what happened after the captain left the cabin or any sort of conversations that happened. the prosecution in france very clearly stated that the breathing of the copilot was audible. that no conversations were had. and we are not aware of anything more. thank you. martha: just a few more detail
about the cockpit and the changes that happened after 9/11 that you could always get out of the cockpit. there is a code on the outside of the door. so if the pilot who left momentarily came back he would have punched in a code that would have opened the door. there is also a switch inside the cockpit that prevent anyone from getting in. the belief is this copilot enacted that switch and that's what caused the bang on the door and the inability of that pilot to not be able to get in. it's a horrific story and we just keep getting more details. there is very little information that we know about his life. he's a new pilot out of school about a year and a half. the other part of the story you arrive at cruising altitude, the plane at that point is flown by computer.
it seems to be a natural point for pilot to take a break in this case literally use the restroom. we do not know the full intent of the copilot at the moment. but this plane originated in dozen the doer if. -- originatededoriginated in dusseldorf. did the consider making his move on the initial leg? when was he waiting for the opportunity to isolate himself inside that cockpit and take advantage of a moment only he could control. martha: assuming this other pilot who tried to bang his way back into the door had no knowledge of what this pilot was going enact. he couldn't predict when he would have that opportunity. and it happened when they hit
38,000 feet. about it had happened later where would he have taken this plane down? who knows. the other thing to think about is the short distance carriers. the amount of experience the pilots have is so much lower than the people in the united states. even the captain in this plane didn't have the amount of hours captains are required to have in this country. germanwings that fly for $50 or $100 obviously pilots flying with much less experience than we are used to. bill: you think of the final moments on this plane for the passengers that were in absolute terror. think about the pilot who you expect to be entirely in control of your life and your destiny at that moment, to see that man banging on the door unable to access the cockpit and save your own life is a moment of terror
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through what flight audio they have. they know only one pilot was in the cockpit at the time. the other banging on the door outside. the copilot refused to open the door. there has been a recitation of what prosecutors believe at this point. they believe with four microphones, all those signals and audio is being recorded on the voice audio in the cockpit. a day ago they said they were able to extract some of the audio off that void recorder. but they now believe only one person was inside that cockpit and that was the 28-year-old german the copilot a year and a half out of flight school with 630 flight hours of experience on his resume. and the pilot who has been flying for this airline for more
than 10 years had used the restroom and was locked out of the cockpit during this 8-10 minute descent from 38,000 feet. mike boyd, our aviation security analyst is with us again today. how are you? >> good morning. bill: what can you add to the security of the cockpit and how it is able to be breached or not if one individual decide to lock 149 people to the outside? >> the system worked the what it was supposed to. you have to have the cockpit sterile and secure and you have to assume the person on the other side of the door is sane. that last part wasn't there. but you can't have a cockpit security system where someone in the cabin side can get in and override what the crew is doing. that negates the whole thing.
so the system worked. what didn't work is the first officer was apparently deranged. bill: bill: can you or can you not override a locked door in the cockpit. >> i believe not if the captain or crew does not want you in there. that's for security. that's good security. it should not be able to be overridden from the cabin side. somebody could break into the cockpit easily. bill: that leaves passengers to question the people flying the plane. >> you have to. you have to question the people. we do live in a society where we have to deal with humans and humans go crazy sometimes. how often has this happened? 6, 7 times in the last 30 years with millions of flights. but the reality is, what are you going to do? if you allow the security of the cockpit door to be compromised the people on the other side could easily be a terrorist and know how to do it.
bill: here in the u.s. we have regulations that have changed. question on that. in the u.s. they are required to have the flight attendant sit in for the pilot or copilot if they excuse themselves from the cockpit, zplect. >> correct. bill: if they don't physically sit inside the chair in the cockpit they take the beverage cart and move it infront of the cockpit door. why is that not the case? >> i don't know why the eu doesn't have a similar regulation and they may. but to my knowledge they don't have that regulation. but we don't have all the facts here. i keep hearing the guy's breathing was normal. i'm not sure a flight data recorder can record someone's normal breathing which is silent. you have a microphone 4 inches
from your mouth and i can't hear your breathing. i have to question whether this guy was as calm as they say he was. bill: what's the protocol for evaluating the mental stability of a pilot or copilot in aviation. >> it goes over a period of time. you have instructors check pilots that report on these things. but there is nothing in my mind that as i know of where they can do a mental check on everybody to see if they are going to go crazy. this pilot flew for 600 hours. he had a connection. bill: we have more news out of cologne, germany. these officials briefing us with the latest. >> we don't only look at cognitive and practical competence but we also give a
lot of room to psychological. we are cooperating with the german society of aviation, and this is the so-called dlr test. and i can certainly say that this test is certainly recognized tool to be applied at an international basis. and we are very proud of this and what happened today what we heard today was not manageable for us -- was -- was no imaginable to us. they went to training in phoenix, arizona. the copilot started it in 2008. after a time of waiting for 8
months which might happen. he first worked as a flight attendant in order to bridge it. and since 2013 he had been active as the first officer on airbus 320. i would like to mention that during the training six years ago, there was a longer interesting corruption. then the person was picked to continue and he went through all of the medical tests and also all flight examinations, and checks and was successful and he was picked for flying without any restrictions. his performance was without any criticism.
nothingal -- nothing at all was striking. in company like ours where we are so proud of our selection criteria and safety criteria this is even more aftershock than it is for us and the general public. a few hours after heard this, we can only speculate on what has been the motivation -- what might have been the motivation of the copilot. and at this point i would like to very consciously say that i thought this is the most terrible event of our company and we have full trust in our pilots myself and my colleagues. and they will continue to be the
best in the world. and this is what we have done here. in length * they are an integral part of -- and what has happened here is a tragic individual case -- event and i would have much like to under line this and together with the family members, and friend of the victims, and i think i speak of millions of people, we are dealing or trying to deal with this enigma and it will take a long time to fully understand what happened. but of course we are professionals and therefore we'll do everything possible to present findings of all
investigations. i would like to repeat, irrespective of your safety criteria and even if they are very very sophisticated you can never he can collude such an individual event. no system of the world would manage to do so. let me tell you something that is personal. for many years i have been with the responsibility of an executive. and safety came first. and that happened to us. it's really dreadful, it's a very sad fact. thank you very much for listening. i would be very grateful to you
if you actually ask your questions loud enough. >> jonathon niller from channel 4 news. you say there is no way of preventing an accident. was there no procedure by which the captain could have entered the cockpit door by entering a code to override the locking system? >> thank you for the question. in our industry since the events are very dreadful of the 11th of september, the access to cockpits was changed and maybe my colleagues can supplement my experience.. and my experience as a pilot.
the doors have been reinforced so that access is not possible so that the door cannot be opened even by weapons. when one of our pilots leaves the cockpit for biological reasons, he or she can ring. there are screens to detect who the person is. if this is a colleague or somebody from the rest of the crew, there is a button you can press and the door will open. the authorities and those see to it that we have to take into consideration that somebody might lose consciousness when somebody is leaving the cockpit.
but there is another code you can actually operate which will also lead to the bell ringing if nobody actually reacts, the door will open electrically and automatically. this can be impeded by pressing a lever which said lock and the door will be closed for five minutes. we don't want to indulge in any speculations beyond the finding of the french authorities. obviously this code was not entered which we cannot explain because everybody knows by heart this code, everybody involved, or this was done and the cockpit captain impeded prevented the
door to open. by actually pressing the button lock. so you needn't actually say anything. you said that the copilot interrupted the training six years ago. i would be interested to know how long he interrupted it and why. this is quite feasible and i cannot tell you anything about the reasons of this interruption. but i told you before that anybody who interrupts the training has to actually prove all the competence and do a lot of tests so the competence and fitness will be checked again.
the fact that it was interrupted makes us think that there might be some relation of course you have to be silent. as a medical person beyond. and this is even so, this will certainly be a matter of the investigations of the prosecutor. so we have no other possibility to act as a company. if they are after the end of training i see psychological checks ets to see that everything is in order with the colleagues of course we have
regular checks and we also have a medical check once per year. there are no more psychological checks. but when trainings are carried out, leadership is checked. for instance, and the training is such that if there is an incapacity of the captain the copilot can actually lead and manage the flight and the airplane and is competent to do so and especially prepare for this. but the special psychological test is not provided for at a european level. bill: a little bit of new information. that's the ceo of lufthansa airlines. they own germanwings. we'll speak with a former ntsb
investigator out of albuquerque new mexico. he's been an excellent voice guiding us through day by day now day three of this tragedy. what appears for the moment to be murder. now it appears that copilot took that plain at an opportunity he chose to fly the plane into the ground. martha: a stunning revelation that started to come out yesterday evening and was confirmed by the french prosecutor who gave great detail about exactly what happened, how the pilot was locked out after he left to go to the bathroom. he tried to get in using the code. he banged on the door. according to the french prosecutor they could hear him calmly breathing as he plummeted this plane into the side of the mountain. bill: we wish we could talk to you with better news but on a day like today our worst fears have been realized. based on what we have been told
the last three hours what do you think? >> first of all we know these are extremely rare. it does seem that the french have good evidence that it was in fact the copilot. it was a deliberate act. what's going to be paramount is the criminal investigators will take over as you know in this country air safety investigators back off and the fbi takes over. same sort of thing happens in europe. they will be -- i understand they have tboant copilot's house look for signs of drugs suicide notes, whatever. they will be consider i'm sure they are going to try and find some dna so they can look for copilot dn marks the crash to see the fox -- see the toxicology tests. they will also want to find his bag because there could be pilled the that aren't approved
for aviators in his bag. this has only happened approximately three times with airline pilots in the last couple decade. bill: going back to the early 1990s with the fedex plane is one of the examples. we can speculate all day about his mebilitiesal state and we don't have those answers. but what we do know is within this cockpit when someone wants to lock the door there is a switch. and there is an unlock feature a normal feature and lock feature. when that button is unlocked, is there no way to access that cockpit? >> these have been modified since 9/11. my understanding is once you lock that, there is a time delay that to preclude a hijacker trying to enter the cockpit that a five-minute time delay.
even if the copilot enters the code outside the cockpit door it will not open. once that deliberate act of going to the locked position which is a hijacking situation. there is a time delay. i'm sure we'll learn more details about the particular mechanism that's been reported the door is armored. so the captain even though he was valently trying regain access according to the voice recorder information we just don't know. but i understand you cannot override that once the pilot in the cockpit hits the lock switch for a time of i think it's five minutes. bill: the ceo of the airlines says there is no motive known at this hour. martha: a brave soldier gone too soon. but with the disappearance of
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martha: sergeant bowe bergdahl is charged with desertion and possible treason. search troops went out to look for him. later in december of 2009 according to his team his vehicle was ambushed while was trying to find sergeant bowe bergdahl and bring him back to the base. good morning to you and once again we are indebted to you and your family for the service of your son. what was your reaction when you
heard the charges had finally come down yesterday. >> the reaction was finding some closure. something that we have been asking for. to find the absolute truth and just get to the bottom of this. martha: when you watched the rose garden ceremony when the president came out with his arms around the parents in the rose garden what was your reaction to that knowing how your own son died? >> i agree we don't leave any man behind. with the intelligence that's he has, what i knew, he should have already known. martha: known what? >> known that bergdahl had deserted and left his post willingly, walked away. martha: what do you have think about the taliban trade that was done for bowe bergdahl?
>> bad deal. i guess those are the two words i can put on it. martha: what do you want people to know about your son and about theoers who did not leave their post who served with your son? >> every man and woman that's in the military deserves the answers to bergdahl and the accountability. the limit morale i would imagine has been uplifted with the news of the charges. but these are only charges. there is a trial there is a lot more to this. martha: we thank you so much for your time and the sacrifice of your son and the a cry files your family made in service to our country. bill: an intentional acts of
martha: bombshell today in the investigation into the deadly germanwings plane crash. the french prosecutor now says that the copilot intentionally drove that plane into the side of the mountain with the intention of killing everyone on board. on the voice recorder the lead pilot cog heard banging on the cockpit door to get back in. horrible screams of terror from helpless passengers from before the moments of impact. chilling news this morning. welcome, everybody. we have another hour of "america's newsroom." there is a lot going on. i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning. the copilot is age 28. grew up in germany about an hour west of frankfurt. that plane making horrifying rapid descent into the french alps on tuesday.
there is alarming questions not only about the incident but security of air travel and what happened inside of that cockpit. martha: that's right. doug mckelway on it in washington this morning. what more do we know about this 28-year-old, andreas lubitz? >> reporter: we know he is responsible for the death of 150 innocents except for himself. he has no known terrorist ties. you can bet authorities are double-checking every bit of his background. we note his breathing which investigators could hear very well on cockpit voice recorder was normal right up until impact. there was no known distress on his behavior. the marseille prosecutor held the press conference revealed lubitz's name. he didn't say it was case of suicide. common sense it was. psychiatrists talk about a calmness or resoluteness of suicidal people moments before
they proceed. was a member of a german flying club and received a private license in the united states. lufthansa requires private pilots to undergo testing for years. the knowledge for testing and standards for psychological component of that test have been somewhat relaxed not just at lufthansa but all airlines in recent years. so you can imagine there will be a lot of second-guessing about the psychological testing for becoming an airline pilot martha. martha: no doubt. a lot of focus doug, on the door, the cockpit door and how he was able to keep the captain out for as long as he did. >> reporter: as we heard often times this morning already since 9/11 cockpit doors have been bolstered, they have been reinforced there. is locking mechanism so the door can not be opened even by weapons. listen up. >> translator: new international legislation since 9/11 imposed a double system on the cockpit door so that no one could just
enter the cockpit in order to take over the controls of the airplane. and, the mechanism is, in fact, only inside of the cockpit. it's code, identification code. like a camera, where you will recognize and you have to press the button in order to open the door. >> reporter: but that code, the opening of the door from the outside, can be overridden by the pilot inside, with a second lock that he can close. we can safely assume lubitz did latch the second lock given increasingly desperate banging on the door as the plane descended. final noise on the voice recorder screams heard from the passenger compartment. martha. martha: awful. doug, thank you very much. bill: we mentioned this and we will go through this yet again. over and over until we find out an answer. this is inside of a cockpit of an airbus a320.
there you see the switch. that controls the dr to the cockpit. you can have it in unlocked position. you can have normal position in the middle or locked position if it is flipped down. based on all reporting we have, it was flipped down. it was locked. the pilot more than 10 years experience was locked out. robert marks, commercial pilot. publisher of jet whine.com. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: your first question now is what, robert? >> why did he do this. if he did indeed manually drive this airplane into the rocks what was the point? suicide? what was going on a this man's mind he felt he needed to end his life this way and take 149 other people with him? bill: we're getting our information from the french prosecutor. and frankly there are a lot of holes we have not been able to fill in yet. we're only three days into this. when you look to motive, the ceo
of lufthansa came out 20 minutes ago said there is no known motive at this time but he clearly has a track record that will be gone through. his family has flown to near the crash site but there has been no statement from the family. his mental state is critical now. how do you in the aviation world, run your test, and figure out your background on the mental stability of pilots and emotional stability of a pilot? >> well, in the commercial airline industry, of course i can only speak to the united states but i'm assuming it is pretty much the same in other parts of the world, we go through an initial psychological screening when we're hired alongwith a physical and a test to see if we can fly the airplane and that sort of thing. but after that, there really aren't any follow-up psychological screenings in the industry. maybe that is going to have to change here based on yet another incident. certainly as we've said, this is
not the first time that someone has taken an airplane deliberately into the ground for some reasons that we never really found out. again that is probably going to have to change. bill: so there is no follow-up, you're saying no screenings or questions down the road? anything, robert, that would trigger that investigation or questions? >> well, you know, that was a good you mentioned there, bill. i was just going to say, when you fly in someone we're in very close proximity to one another. we're probably sitting within, you know, 10 inches of another person for six eight, 10 hours a day often for a month at a time, according to the schedule. you get a fairly decent feel for what a person is like, whether they're kind of gregarious, whether they're very shy. whether they're quiet or if they're a little odd. i would be very surprised that this happened, if we don't go back and find someone that said,
well you know i had some concerns about this guy but i never mentioned them and maybe i should have. bill: there are questions now, about what happened in barcelona. what happened that flight did not originate there. it originated in dusseldorf. it was a round-trip for this crew. you don't know when he was seeking the opportunity if these facts continue to play out the way they do. when was he looking for the moment only he would be alone in the cockpit and in control? >> well, and that's a really good point. we were talking about that earlier this morning. i mean apparently on that first leg down the captain didn't leave, didn't leave the cockpit. and, he saw that moment on this return trip and just, just took it. but again i guess i would be asking how long was he in this state of mind whatever this was, prior to this event? bill: if we go bark inside of the cockpit and talk about procedure if we could. that switch is critical.
back on the screen for our viewers. if you put that switch in the down mode that means you're locked out. based on everybody we talked to over the past several hours there is no way to override that, is that true? >> that's correct. again, we talked about why it was in, put in place after 9/11. no one wanted to see someone intentionally get into the cockpit and it was meant to department bad guys out. it has done a really good job of that. unfortunately sometimes when you fix one problem you create another. what we've seen here is that it also kept the good guys out. bill: robert mark, thank you very much. jetwhine.com. these questions are endless as we work through this. thank you for your time. >> you're welcome. bill: we try to figure out where the next step in this is. part of that may come from the family of this copilot. they have not spoken but we know they arrived in southeastern france. they should be able to give investigators a pretty good idea where he was mentally and
emotionally. martha: it will raise a lot of questions about these psychological exams. what we're earring from many sources are, they are very limited. they do a physical check and psychological check is not considered to be part of that mandatory procedure. that is something that he will have to revisit tragically. it is too late for those. bill: for the 149 on board right? you mentioned this. look out the window. a nightmare come true. you see pilot banging on that door, you are sitting there helpless. >> children on a trip to barcelona, headed home to germany. hard to imagine the pain their families are going through and what the children went through on the plane and everybody else as well. more on that as we continue. also this is a huge story today. he was the first to say that bo bergdahl would be charged with desertion. the pentagon said he was dead wrong about that but now his reports have been verified. and we will speak with colonel
shaffer live. plus megyn kelly interviewed bergdahl's entire platoon back in june. remember this? >> raise your hand if you think he deserted. wow. raise your hand if you have some question about whether he deserted. wow. martha: nobody. reactions from one of his team leaders as well. bill: back overseas, there was chaos in the middle east. this is significant. saudi arabia with a six-country coalition has bombed yemen overnight. meanwhile the united states for the first time in tikrit has led air raids bombings, in that city in iraq. fighting back against isis. so why then does the president refuse to meet with the head of nato? that is one question ed henry had at white house here. >> wants to meet with the president. and can't seem to get either his call returned or at least get a meeting with the president. why won't the president meet with the head of nato?
bill: more break bracing news overnight. united states leading bombing runs in iraq. a thousand isis firers holding on. -- fighters holding on. for past month shia militia backed by iran have not been able to secure the city. u.s. is stepping in. airstrikes coming now as washington resumes nuclear talks with tehran today. also significant iranian general who has been spotted in
tikrit leading shia rebels reportedly left tt town. there is also a report moments ago from the american commander that we are only supporting the iraqis. watch that development in light of iranian nuclear negotiations in switzerland. 15 now past. >> back to this. sergeant bo bergdahl is facing desertion charges after leaving his post the charses say in afghanistan. he was swapped for the taliban five. we have new information coming in on them. he faces live in prison bergdahl does, if he gets convicted on all these chars. back in 2009 the taliban captured him after he left his base. he was promoted to specialist and then to sergeant while in captivity in 2010 and in 2011. on january 15th, 2014, u.s. received a video that he was indeed alive. the taliban released sergeant bergdahl last may. we remember that huge helicopter moment out there on the open field in exchange for five
u.s.-held taliban prisoners. lieutenant colonel tony shaffer predicted the charges of desertion would indeed come this month. the pentagon shot that story down until they came out with their news yesterday. tony shave schaefer joins us now. good to have you as always. >> thank you, martha, for having me on. martha: you took a bit of heat. >> just a bit. martha: pentagon came out, admiral kirby said absolutely not. that is not happening here. what happened? >> reality facts spokes for themselves. don't get me wrong. i love john kirby. he is a great guy. he had essentially to do what he had to regarding the pentagon's position at that moment. frankly the army did the right thing here, martha. there was huge pressure behind the scenes from the white house to make this quietly go away. notably there are a number of folks behind the scenes at the pentagon and army who wanted to keep this on the front burner. that is why you saw essentially this issue forced, i think
forced in the right direction based on the circumstance of bergdahl's departure from his post. obviously i think there needs to be additional investigations regarding why the president selected option of trading five taliban senior generals essentially for one private promoted to private which really didn't deserve that level of know ryety. martha: that is the head scratcher here. and that is too light a term for how many questions raised by this because you have reported that they had other options on the table. >> there were. martha: the president was presented with snatch-and-grab and other operations people with to get him out. >> that's correct. martha: why do you think the white house wanted to do this way, no, no we'll release five taliban prisoners and bring this guy home for them? >> the options were better options as a matter of fact. one of the notable things about the taliban i think we could have used them in some other level of trade right now especially we're still in cam bait operations. let me clear i think the president decided about this option because he is more worried political narrative
regarding closing guantanamo bay, getting that off the agenda rather than doing what is best for national security. in civilian times frankly this would have been aiding abetting enemy by releasing these prisoners back to the battlefield. i don't believe this was right move by president obama remotely. martha: let's leave their picture on the screen. we have new information from catherine herridge who has been on top of this story from the very beginning as well. >> right. martha: she says a review of the five detainees transferred to qatar, these five you see shows the joint task force guantanamo deemed them all quote high-risk. >> that's correct. martha: two wanted by u.n. for war crimes. another served intermediary between iranians and taliban after 9/11. further substantiation these guys were not people we didn't have worry about and use for the at operation program out of guantanamo. >> right. two were materially involved in the 9/11 attacks as well. they should have served minimum life in jail based on their
support of the 9/11 attacks this is unheard of them. three already recontacted taliban while sitting in qatar attempting to regain the fight. we're still at war with the taliban. we have troops that will be in combat. they will be there at least two more years. these generals, these taliban leaders are going back as rock stars. they will give wind to the sail of the insurgency against the afghan government which we spent 13 years, billions of dollars and blood and treasure trying to support. this actual event will undermine the very policy president obama has said is what he put in place for afghanistan. completely insane. martha: what do you make of the reaction from the white house? jen psaki said, no, had is our policy we do not leave anyone behind. which i think, you know a lot of people could say, okay, bring him back. find out what happened did he dessert. but not necessarily this way? >> better options to bring him back under the radar which would
not have received this level of noteriety. i feel sorry for bergdahl in a way, i think this could have been dealt with, would be facing this level severe charge had it been dealt with normally. i feel sorry for him being made a pawn in this larger game of president. so i think, at this point in time it is important to recognize that he did bad things but the things the president did to bring him back, there were other options. miss saki is totally insane. by the way the white house knew all this before they made the decision to trade bergdahl for five taliban. martha: kayla mueller's family said when they saw the trade, people holding their daughter, they claim everything got much more difficult, all negotiations and discussion. >> exactly. martha: hey, we could get five of our guys released if we hang in there. repercussions are manifold. colonel shaffer, thank you. >> thank you. bill: these are live pictures out of france, the village nearest the crash site with the relatives of victims arriving from both germany and spain.
what a terrible day for them. closure on this horrific story just begins. we are told the families of the pilot and the copilot have arrived's well today. they're being kept separate from the other families. amy kellogg at her post there. we will check in with her and others as we take you there live in a minute.
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for 149 innocent lives then. back to europe when we get more in a moment. martha: all right. this one needs to be followed very closely. saudi arabia is getting directly involved in the conflict in yemen today. they have launched airstrikes against the shiite, iranian-backed rebels in that area who drove the president out and have taken over a key port city in the south. iran calling saudi involvement a very dangerous step. nearly the entire region sinks
into chaos now as everyone appears to be fighting each other. illinois congressman adam kinzinger, national guard pilot and joins me now. congressman good to have you here. welcome. >> thanks. i appreciate it. martha: as you were getting miced up, we had comment across the wires from hezbollah spokesman as well, calling on saudi arabia and allies to immediate halt the action in yemen. what's your reaction? >> it is amazing, remember hezbollah has been involved against the free syrian army in syria. this is the proxy arm of iran. not only are they against israel, they're against the moderate rebels in syria. iran has been having their fingerprints all over the middle east. it is always interesting to hear iran saying this is dangerous escalation. that is because iran is directly involved what is going on in yemen. we continue to try to placate the iranians because of this perceived nuclear deal. because the president wants to withdraw from the middle east. somehow he thinks iran is ha gem
any for the peace in the middle east. we see this chaos ensue. i commend the saudis striking trying to defend the legitimate government of yemen. we've been to yemen by the way. when i was there it was mostly about al qaeda. have in essence what could help to be another syria or libya. saudi arabia is worried about their backyard as the united states would be if something like this was happening very near us. martha: when you look at the players saudi arabia, jordan qatar, u.a.e., they're all on the same side trying to squash quash this hououthi rebellion going on in yemen. when you try to divide the sides it can make your head spin congressman. >> yeah. martha: we're basically against iranian-backed forces in yemen. meanwhile in switzerland, john kerry is sitting down trying to make a deal with the iranians over their nuclear future. if you look at iraq and syria, the battle against isis we're on
the same side in that part of the world. i don't know how anybody figures out which end is up in this whole thing? looks like the whole thing section exploding. it. >> it is tough. the confusion comes from lack of american leadership. people like to say america is not the world leader. we're not the world leader but we have unique position where we lead the world in certain areas to help create peace. what you have in iraq, iraq is desperate for help to liberate themselves from the isis cancer. united states is coming in with tepid help. iran is coming in with large help. iraq knows if they use iranian ground troops and shia militias they have a big problem on their hands of the right now they're fighting for their survival. look the nuclear issue in iran is a big thing. i hope we can stop iran getting a nuclear weapon but even bigger issue is iran meddling in the entire middle east. we're worried about iran getting a nuclear bomb because of what they showed up to this point. they tried to destablize the middle east in their favor. we continue to placate them.
that is something i don't understand. martha: everything seems to be going their way so far the we'll see if they get a deal or don't get a deal. >> that's right. martha: i want to ask you about the nato project tear general, stolt 10burg, not coming to the white house. josh ernest laughed this off when ed henry asked him the question. no that is ridiculous. of course we're talking to him. then he went on to say no, we're not meeting with him. but that doesn't mean we don't have a great relationship with him. how do you read that. >> i don't know. everything that happens there is like, we've descended into worse foreign policy i ever thought we could get to. the president is not too busy to meet with the secretary-general. this is a very important man. like everything that happens is sending a message to the russians that we don't want to send. literally vladmir putin is probably sitting there today in moscow going, are you kidding me? the president of the united states did not meet with the secretary-general of nato? martha: what did he do? did he tick somebody off?
i don't know what he would have done to not be worth worthy of a meeting with president of the united states. it is pretty mind boggling. >> the president's foreign policy is lazy at best and dangerous at worse. martha: congressman, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> good to see you. >> you bet. bill: what we are learning about the copilot. we'll get you back to france in a moment. the big story man who hunted usama bin laden and one of many navy seals and soldiers went to search for sergeant bo bergdahl in afghanistan. >> instantly given intelligence. we had deserter. we stopped everything we were doing. war stopped from very highest levels of special operations down to conventional forces and we started hunting him. bill: remember his fellow soldiers always believe he deserted his position. now his platoon leader is live to answer the question. we'll talk to him next. martha: here we go again. in oklahoma a tornado sweeps through and leave as trail of devastation behind. >> came from nowhere absolutely nowhere. dropped down on top of us.
bill: a bit more information now. the focus has gone exclusively on the 28-year-old german copilot on flight 9525. this is what lufthansa said a short time ago. that the 28-year-old pilot last name lubitz, first name, andreas, born southeast of cologne, about an hour northwest of frankfurt. right at midpoint geographically speaking. he started training in 2008 in germany and in phoenix arizona. all the cockpit personnel undergo this examination. he had his training interrupted for several months, though no reason was given. we don't have a date for when that happened after 2008.
but these pilots undergo these medical tests about once a year we're told and psychological examination occurs at the beginning of their career but our guest a moment aago said nothing happens after that time. bring in our correspondent here at fox former pilot, leah gabriel. welcome. we're trying to piece together what little information. where does your mind go to now? >> bill you go to what went wrong on the airplane. that they intentionally did something wrong. lufthansa's chief executive is saying that he is shocked by the fact that the french prosecutor is saying this was intentional. maybe because right now when they only have are clues what happened inside of that cockpit. they have information from the cockpit voice recorder which records any sort of sound. they can even hear breathing of the copilot as the plane was going down. they have the say that they could hear the captain banging on the door, first tapping on the door then banging on the
door which i know as a pilot the captain would only start banging when he was really, really panicked because he couldn't want to panic the passengers. we're looking at the fact the copilot put this plane into a dive, a descent, a controlled descent really. didn't respond when the captain was trying to get into the cockpit. the fact that these types of doors typically have toggle switch where it is locked from inside of the cockpit where there is no way from someone outside of the cockpit to get inside, bill. bill: lea sounds like you're questioning intent yourself? sounds if you're questioning motive and perhaps what the french prosecutor revealed a few hours ago. do i hear that right? >> bill last night we found out that the captain was locked outside of the cockpit, i thought this increases the chances something devious happens here. tough really start looking at that however we don't have all the information now. i think that is why lufthansa's chief executive was so shocked by the fact that french prosecutors are already saying
this was intentional because the information they're going off of unless there is information we don't yet know about, the information we're going off of is only from the cockpit voice recorder. the fact he was breathing normally of the fact he didn't respond. prosecutor said, we're hearing is that the copilot. inside of the cockpit was not saying anything at all. i could see why lufthansa's chief executive would be shocked at this point they're already coming out with this at the same time we don't know what investigators may know they're not releasing at this point all true all very good points. do you know based on your experience whether this is check down the road emotionally, mentally, for pilots and copilots? >> my experience is in the military. i do have commercial airline pilot's license but i haven't worked commercially. in the military they check us regularly. the people who work with us would report something if they seemed to think something was wrong. i think in the airline industry
that is probably the case as well. but these doors that we're talking about, intended to be locked from the inside those are based on the fact that they're concerned about people trying to get inside of the cockpit. it is really who do you have to watch out for, the pilot or people outside of the cockpit? these doors are designed toe protect the cockpit so the pilots what they need to do, bill. bill: thank you lea. we're waiting to hear from the families. they might provide close and through the investigation investigators already spoken with them. they arrived in southeastern france. we'll check with amy kellogg a bit later on that. lea, thank you. back with more news with martha now. martha: meanwhile another big story for us today is sergeant bo bergdahl case. he has been charged with desertion. that news comes as no surprise to members of his platoon who have spoken out and believed that to be true. sergeant bergdahl's platoon leader joins us next.
martha: waiting confirmation of this photo but we now have that so let's put it up on the screen. this is the 28-year-old known as andreas lubitz. 28-year-old german citizen trained in the united states to be a pilot but had only 26 hours of flight experience on the plane. looks like he is at the golden gate bridge in this picture in california. we're learning more about him. his family son the scene. they will be questioned to find out if there is anything unusual in his past to find out why he would do what he apparently has done drive 150 people into the side of that mountain in the swiss alps. bill: another alert now. the administration defending its decision to release the taliban five in exchange for sergeant bowe bergdahl even after he was charged with desertion. here is the state department spokeswoman last night with megyn, jen psaki. >> we have commitment to our men
and women serving in our military, defending our national security every day that we're going to do everything to bring them home if we can. that's what we did in this case. bill: retired sergeant that was a team leader in bowe bergdahl's platoon in afghanistan. he is my guest out of sioux falls. sir, thank you for your service sergeant, and welcome here. what do you think of the administration's reaction to leave no man behind especially in a case like this? >> well it's a good overall policy but in this case he, essentially took himself off the battlefield and became an enemy combatant when he became a deserter and decided to join the enemy. there is a huge difference between being captured and leaving to join the enemy. bill: we were told his life was in danger. remember that, sergeant? we were also told that his health was dropping fast based on images they were getting. they could waste no more time. what do you think about that claim now? >> i don't think that those are
true statements. when you see him after they picked him up, pictures when he came back and, after his valuations back here in the united states they said he was in good health and healthy. he looked healthy. he looked like he was in good shape. i mean he was probably deteriorating at one time or may have forced him to not eat or whatever, but i thought he looked pretty good when he got back. bill: a year ago susan rice said he served the nation with honor. how do you think he served the nation? >> he is a disgrace to this nation the uniform. his rank of sergeant that they gave him and pretty much there is no honor in his service especially when you leave your battle buddies and brothers in armies behind and join the enemy. i don't see how there is any honor in that. bill: it has been reported at least six members of the u.s. military died logking for him. and there are reports of several people who were injured along
the way as well. were you one of them who went out in eastern afghanistan to locate bergdahl when he was missing? >> yes i did. bill: what did you do? >> well, we did a lot of different things. just checkpoints. checked a lot of cars, vehicles. would depend on intel that we got, but a lot of it was setting up roadblocks or trying tohase down a lead here and there. bill: how does was that, sergeant? >> oh, it was very dangerouses, especially since within, probably a day or two everybody in the area knew what was going on because, you know, there is a huge increase in activity of u.s. forces which puts everybody else at danger as well because they know where you're going to be and where you will be looking. they will set up more ambushes and ieds and everything else
so it will make it more dangerous, more dangerous than it already was. bill: apparently you got lucky and some of your other soldiers did not. the five who were released, of the three we're told through well-placed intelligence sources at least three of these men tried to reconnect and join the fight. they will be free to move once their year is qatar is up. that sendly weeks away. what do you think they do now? >> i don't think it's a surprise to anyone that they want to join the battlefield or they're going to try to join the battlefield. and i don't see what, you know, waiting one year in qatar before they leave i mean there is already reports, you know, that they have tried over the phone or whatever, so, what is going to stop them now from terriing out bigger plans or getting to the enemy more? it is ridiculous. bill: what do you think the rightful punishment is for bowe bergdahl now? >> i think the rightful punishment would be to probably,
send him to leavenworth for 20 years to life. bill: we'll see if that happens. sergeant, thank you for your time. again, thank you for your service. retired sergeant matt vierdant out of sioux falls. >> thank you. bill: you bet. martha: show you image again which raises so many questions who is this young man, 20 yate-year-old-- 28 years old. andreas lubitz. spent time in the united states. posing in front of the golden gate bridge in this photo. what could have happened in this man's life or mind that would led him to do what the french prosecutor claims he did, take that plane turn it into the weapon and drive it into the side of the mountains in the french alps? well have more on this coming up after this quick break.
bill: a moment ago we showed you this picture. this is andreas lubitz, age 25 a copilot for germanwings we're now told through the french prosecutor he is the one that set that pilot or that plane rather on an intentional dive into the french alps on tuesday, tuesday morning. trained in phoenix for a time and apparently took some sort of leave of absence during his flight training. we don't know how or why the break in training occurred. grew up in germany, south-central part of the country hour from frankfurt. there are reports that his town in germany. we'll share that picture shortly with you too. we're told his family arrived in southeastern france in the village nearest the crash site. but we don't have any indication that the family has released any statement or made any comment. when and if that happens we'll bring that part of the story to you next. martha: spiral out of control in an incredible way today.
a lot of people turning attention back to the issue that the president really isn't characterizing what is going on there as an uprising by radical islamists, despite the fact that the afghanistan president, president of afghanistan gaun if i referred to the perversion of islam he talked about during his meeting with the president this week. he is clearly not alone in that. president al-sisi of egypt stated it in a similar manner. jordan's king abdullah describing it in such a way. joining me louisiana governor bobby jindal with his thoughts what is going on here. very good to have you with us this busy morning as you know. we want to ask you about your reaction to that? >> martha, thank you for having me. it doesn't give me any joy to say this i think president obama disqualified himself to be commander-in-chief. he refuses to identify the enemy that we face. refuses to almost even say the words, radical islamic terrorism. he is giving us lectures about the crusades. talking about job assistance and
better governance and for return aid. we need to hunt down and kill these terrorists, radical islam. islam has a problem. radical islam believes in treating women as second class citizens of the they believe in killing us. they detest our you see our allies in the middle east. they recognize those problems. leaders of israel, of egypt as you said, of other countries, of jordan, other countries thee see barbarism inherent in radical islamic terrorism. how can we fight the problem if we don't identify the problem? unfortunately he disqualified himself to be commander-in-chief and i worry it seems like the president is intent on getting leadership with iran which the leadership says things like death to america to allow them to develop nuclear capabilities. i think that is a very dangerous development for is ray europe and united states. martha: negotiate with a leader, stands up in front of his people saying death to america, sit down at table with him. that is a head-shaker to say the least. now our allies saudi arabia,
qatar, u.a.e., egypt, they're going after the situation, houthi situation, iranian encroachment in yemen. are we joining them in that effort? that puts us in an unusual position, doesn't it? >> martha, well, it is amazing under this president's lax of leadership he create ad void. iran is putting more influence not only in yemen, they have more influence now in iraq. more influence in lebanon in syria. you see influence growing with our traditional allies, egypt, jordan u.a.e. saudi arabia, others are very very worried about this this president is worried about getting a bad deal over no deal, coddling, mullahs in iran. they are chanting death to america but court hezbollah. they want to wipe israel off the face of the earth. i worry about the legacy this president will leave. i signed on the tom cotton letter no deal is binding on next president especially if not
submitted to congress. i hope anybody running for president would sign the letter. i hope congress will pass the bipartisan sanctions bill, putting more pressure on iran. get a good deal or walk away with no deal but not let iran walk away as a nuclear power. martha: the clock is ticking. governor, thank you very much. good to have you here. bill: give a sense we're on brink of a regional war in middle east. wake up see news about saudi arabia and isis out of tikrit. watch all the developments. copilot meantime acted to destroy the plane along with it 149 others on board. three americans on the scene of the heartbroken families on the scene. latest out of europe is next. hey'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do, drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car
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week. 34 minutes 11:34 eastern time jeb bush will come on with us. i have a knew word he will be "meerkatting" interviews. this is his first interview since he talked to sean hannity. he has been attacked pretty heavily today's "new york times." people questioning his conservative credentials. he also listed according to "politico" having a talk radio problem. i want to see how he feels about that. weighing in on bowe bergdahl situation. martha: he will have a big problem in a few minutes sitting down with brian kilmeade. what will you ask him real quick? >> that really hurts my feelings mart. that really hurts my feelings. we're not speaking anymore. martha: we'll stick around to find out what brian knows about jeb bush. bill: you look like a meerkat some days. >> you're meerkattish. bill: check him out on radio with kilmeade and friends. watching all these stories who
knows developments we get throughout the day. we'll have it throughout the channel. martha: thanks for being here, everybody. stick with us. lots more to come. "happening now" starts right now. see you back here tomorrow. >> fox news alert what some are calling deliberate act. investigators say a young copilot intentionally slams an aligner into the side of martha killing everyone on board. horrifying final minutes captured on the plane's cockpit voice recorder. welcome to "happening now." a lot of big headlines to digest today. i'm jenna lee. >> it has changed so suddenly. i'm jon scott. the captain of the germanwings flight was apparently locked out of the cockpit leaving the copilot at the controls. the pilot struggled to get back in over the course of eight minutes. they say they heard it all on the cockpit voice recorder. the pilot pounding on the door passengers screaming in terror as the