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e it and make sure it's exact. but that should be interesting to see what you think on bowe bergdahl. again, thanks for watching us tonight. ms. megyn warming up. i am bill o'reilly, please remember the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, hillary clinton critics suspecting she has something to hide as her legal team confesses she not only destroyed tens of thousands of e-mails while she was under congressional investigation, but that server everyone's been talking about, she wiped it clean. welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. i'm megyn kelly. there is new fallout tonight in the e-mail scandal involving the woman expected to be the democrats nominee for president. hillary clinton's lawyer has now responded in writing to a congressional request that she turn over her private e-mail server to a neutral third party who could determine whether or
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public's documents have indeed been turned over to investigators and to the state department. her legal team flatly ruling that out saying turning over the server is entirely pointless because she already wiped it clean. lawyers writing "there are no hdr22, that's her e-mail, from secretary clinton's for any review. even if such were review appropriate and authorized. in fact, it creates many more questions. did mrs. clinton turn over all her official documents? did any of mrs. clinton's top aides use her private server? also, where are their documents? where are they? she has yet to answer that to anybody. and were any laws broken in this effort to forever erase any trace of these thousands of e-mails while she was under congressional investigation? judge andrew napolitano is fox
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news senior judicial analyst. so they're gone. she said she deleted her personal e-mails at her presser. but now her lawyer has come out and said, as for that server which normally would have a record of deleted e-mails. >> right. >> he said it's been wiped clean. there's no remaining documentation and nothing on the server that would show us what happened to them. that's what he claims. >> well technically we don't know it's been wiped clean. but let's take his argument at its face value. they wiped it clean. >> uh-huh. >> the question is when did they do it? she was subject to a letter sent to her by congressman chaffetz chairman of the house committee in september 2012. >> right. >> while she was still the secretary of state, demanding all records and documents reflecting benghazi. >> that would have encompassed e-mails. there's no question. >> absolutely. well he used the word records, and he used the word records in the same definition that the statute does which includes electronic records. >> exactly. the law is very clear that records includes e-mails. >> that's a letter which puts a lawyer mrs. clinton and her
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staff -- >> unnoticed. >> mills -- >> sheryl mills, uma -- >> correct they're all lawyers. puts them on notice they have to preserve the documents. eight months later -- excuse me, 11 months later in august of 2013. she's out of august, john kerry is now in. the state department receives two subpoenas from congressman darryll issa, essentially asking for the same thing. 2015 begins and a new congress starts. so she's going to say that she no longer had the obligation in 2015 to comply with letters or subpoenas served in 2012, '13 or' 14. >> that's ridiculous. >> it depends on when she wiped the server clean. >> before you get to that, she didn't do anything wrong, if as her lawyer claims other than what we've already discussed. >> right. >> but she in deleting thosew2)jt e-mails if they really all were personal e-mails. >> she was wrong to delete anything, >lc9megyn, because the
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statute regulating this, the public records act of 1950 as amended in her husband's years in 1995, requires that the government decide what is personal and what's not personal. >> but normally in practice the way it works is that the employee does it. and then upo©4 leaving the state department, even if you're the secretary, you sit down with a records administrator and you say these are the documents, right? these are the ones i want to take with me because i think they're personal. these are the ones that are yours i created as secretary. and that records keeper is supposed to say i agree or don't agree. but didn't happen as far as we know. >> she disabled the record keeper from doing it because she was the record keeper. >> uh-huh. >> look, she was on notice from september of 2012 to preserve those records. some time between september of 2012 and march 2015 she had the records destroyed. that is either a federal crime or a disbarable offense for a lawyer. >> i think if she destroyed the people's documents she's in a lot of trouble. but if she only destroyed as she
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claims to the lawyer it was e-mails about chelsea, the wedding and so on it may not be an obstruction charge. but it still goes to concealment. it raises the argument of concealment. she was the secretary of state. she knew that there was a congressional investigation demanding all documents with respect to benghazi. and she didn't so much as hit print. >> she basically told the congressional investigators what they could do with their letters and with their subpoenas.gip she could have taught richard nixon a lesson. she utterly totally and completely frustrated their lawful ability to get their hands on her records which they have a right and a duty and an obligation to examine. >> can i tell you the real capper here? you know,4áj you've been talking about whether there was anything inside those e-mails that was sensitive or classified. and her people say no . no, no it was fine for them to be on her private server. nothing to worry about. well, now that congress is saying give them to us, turn them over to us, her lawyer writes back, well, they may have
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sensitive diplomatic efforts reflected at them. we can't turn them over without approval to the state because there may be a pry[@q]t privacy or other reason -- areìáhp &hc% you kidding me? it's okay to have them on the home server because there's nothing there. >> i really don't know how they could make both arguments. with respect to obstruction and destruction of government records. if the government has any concept of the rule of law they'd prosecute her for this. this is ten time what is david petraeus is accused of having been doing. >> judge, thank you. >> thank you. joining me, marc thiessen, a fox news [3hlucontributor. marc the gall. don't worry, they'rei%z on my home server whichg(dy secret service, which is totally meaningless. it's not like when they hack you they go through the secret service. they goy?÷ through the computer, the internet. now in"a response to the congress that wants the documents well, i juspv be stuff on there that's privileged or private or
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sensitive. so you can't have them right >> it's amazing. i think reince priebus was right when he said even nixon didn't destroy the tapes. the. bñ razen -- i mean think about it. starting with having a private server for her official e-mails to begin with, first secretary of state ever to do that. then withholding the officialxh/ñ e-mails for two years while there were"w congressional0ñv investigations and press k/u"éñfoia requests from the media to search those and not even giving them to the state department. then destroying 30,000 of them unilaterally. clean. does this sound like the behavior of somebody who has nothing to hide? >> right. she deleted the e-mails. and then they go onto say that therefore no e-mails -- this is from her 6 nos>cñ e-mails from her entire tenure as secretary of state reside on the server anymore, nor on any backup system associated with the server. now, i@(" to know whatú=áe that means. there's still a lot of 670 questions. what did she do to wipe the server clean?
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and is it really clean?:; can't we still let the third party take a look just to see what's really been wiped clean and what hasn't? >> because they're afraid if you6s)zj allow a third party to look ate, low and behold they might be then all the stuff she doesn't want to come out will come out. no one goes throughlj steps that you'ren>vú describing when they have nothing to hide. i mean, if this ñ is just her yoga schedule and just her daughter's wedding no one goes toú1n much trouble to hide their yoga schedule. >> that leads to the big question in all of this in theh[%b e-mails? and if she really didaóqd delete them and wipe the server cleanqe then let's staff'suo6ñ e-mails. jake sullivan all4sjc of her top people, where are their e-mails? why haven't we seen t33f >> yeah. we needc t all of those things. but what i really think is interesting here is the nexus between the e-mail scandal and
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the clinton foundation scandal. i think that's really what this might be about. >>[í explain that. >> well, "the washington post" reported that the clinton foundation took millions dollars in contributions from foreign governments while she was)i!y secretary of state plus millions of dollarsmh 1coc of contributions fro™pñ crony corporations of foreign governments tied to those governments while she was secretary of state, countries that had-z-÷ business in front of the state department. and so the really interesting question is when she's deciding what's a private ñse-mail what's an official e-mail were any of txófmf e-mails that shesn related to foreign donations to suse the timeline between s%yccial decisions and donations that foundation from foreign governments k-y corporations? the nexusññ between these two scandals is really where i think this could possibly get big. >> when i looked at her lawyer'slx letter i saw him phrase she only had obligation to turn over documents i think he saidjhu performed in furtherance of
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state department business. that's what he considers a state department record. and you and i both know that hillary clinton sitting 4$1yoivkz looking at if she hadf4r any correspondence about the clinton organization saying that wasn't inyq furtherance. he defined it so narrowly in terms of what he thought they needed to produce. itñg k9=dçaux reallyb8% raises the question of what got deleted andm trust somebody who behaves this way to make these determinations without any independent review and the stakes are this high. marc, good to see you. >> thanks, chiu!9 up next newfñqw the president's own team about what is beingzq called the wormv!6f midraki> crisis in a generation. wait until you see who is here plus, the left slamming indiana and its governor, mike pence, over a new religious freedom law claiming it amounts to discrimination against gays and lesbians. tony perkins is here next on what he thinks is really behind this. and we are hearing a stunning$ie new story about the domestic terrorist)ßx group the
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weather 9dépunderground. you remember them, right? the manvaú$ they put in charge of making the bombs and where he thej >> the thing tor+vlñ guys like ayers even if they don't have an official position on the campus they have7eeha moved cys< out. they've moved out of the÷+p universities now into the high schools fc %nto !$lementary schools. ♪ music plays love you by the free design ♪ ♪ attendant: welcome back. man: thank you. it's not home. but with every well considered detail . . . it becomes
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and developing tonight we are hearing new warnings from president obama's own team when it comes to what one political writer is calling the worst mideast crisis in a generation. today we heard reports that the saudis would join with egypt and more than half a dozen other countries, arab countries to try and contain threats from the . last week the president's former ambassador to iraq said president obama's mideast policy was in "a g-damn free fall." and yesterday former defense secretary -- that sentiment. >> we have almost a complete break down of order in the middle east. a new middle east is essentially struggling to be born. and right now i don't -- my sense of where the policy is at
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is sort of and i hate to say it like this, but it's almost a policy of willful ignorance. >> joining me now former ambassador to iraq under president obama james jeffrey, and bret stevens, "the wall street journal" foreign affairs columnist. welcome to you both gentlemen. ambassador, explain why what you meant the middle east is in a free fall right now. >> what i mean is the middle east has always been a tough neighborhood ever since i got involved in 1974. but in the last few years particularly with the arab spring beginning in 2011 the state system itself is under challenge from many actors from their own populations in that region, from isis that is emerged in the last two and a half years, from al qaeda that's still out there, from iran and its both islamic and traditional imperialistic tendencies. >> let me ask you it's a mess on many fronts. we've covered that with bret and many others many times here on "the kelly file." but it's extraordinary for you as an ambassador who worked for president obama to come out and
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criticize his mideast policy. what specifically are we doing wrong? >> specifically whenever you have a crisis in particular, you follow basic tenants of american foreign policy where running an american global security system. you stay close to your allies even when they're difficult. that's what you do with allies, you use military force or at least threaten, don't shy away from it and try to be consistent and predictable as possible. we don't see that right now. a lot of this seems to turn about, a, the willingness not to use military force that there's no military solution to anything. and secondly, the pursuit of an agreement with the iranians under any circumstances. >> bret, i know that you've written that this is the most inept foreign policy in u.s. history. is that hyperbole or you really believe it? >> well, think of where the analogs might be. the carter administration at least has the achievement of the
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camp david accords between israel and egypt even though it lost of course it famously lost iran. it's hard to see a place in the middle east where this administration has left anything other than a vacuum that's now being filled by our most serious and determined enemies. and yemen is simply the last shoe to drop. one of the things which the ambassador pointed out and i think it's important, we have friends or potentially close friends in places like egypt, israel, jordan, saudi arabia. for the most part we are keeping all of those at arms length at best when we are not actually in a squabble with them as we are with israel. >> well, could it be that president obama thinks, okay i've got them. i don't need to work on them. i need to work on these other ones. >> on the contrary. take a country like saudi arabia. i mean israel's always going to be a close friend of the united states almost no matter what because our values are so aligned. but saudi arabia's increasingly pursuing a freelance foreign
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policy. if we're prepared to give the iranians a threshold nuclear capability, the saudis are going to demand a threshold nuclear capability and then we're off to the nuclear races in the middle east. that's a really terrifying prospect. i don't think this administration is really thinking through past the second and third move of what it's doing if it's thinking through the first move. >> what do you think of that ambassador? is it ineptitude? is it ideology we don't want anything to do with this region so we're going to retreat retreat? what is it? >> i think it's a little bit of the latter. i know president obama, he's very smart. he has a plan. the plan is i would say to wean us from what he would say is the overuse of military force in international relations to rely more on local forces throughout the regions. and as we just heard, to reach out to those who have been opposed to us to show we're willing to be their friends. the problem with that is they're not enemies of international stability be it iran, russia,
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china or isis because of what we do. they're enemies of international odder because they hate it and want to set up their own competing odder. they're a threat to all of us. >> when you're with the administration, would president obama listen to criticism like that? >> oh absolutely. but in the end he's going to take decisions that he thinks is good for the american people. he looks at the polls he cites the polls and his people do all the time. most americans want to see a deal with iran. most americans don't like to use military force, particularly in the mid l east. so he rides on that. the problem is it's not achieve achieving results. if it was achieving results, i could see it. i could understand it. >> bret. >> you know megyn the president i think like a lot of americans understandably wishes we could just look away from the middle east and never have to think about it. again, the region is complex and the problems always come back to harm us. but to paraphrase leon, you may not be interested in the middle
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east, but the middle east is interested in you. from yemen we have the most serious terror threat to the homeland. getting out of iraq to a large extent bequeath isis and not involving ourselves early enough in the syrian conflict did that as well. the iranians are a threat to our national security, never mind that of the israelis or our partners. >> there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. two smart dudes. ambassador thank you. bret stephens thank you too. it's a pleasure speaking to you both. make that a weekly segment. just two smart dudes. up next the stunning new story of how a former domestic terrorist end up working for years on the taxpayer dime. and guess what? he's still getting the taxpayers dime too. plus, it was one of the biggest events in television history. and now the creators of "the bible" are back with the next chapter. mark brunette and roma downy are here live with me with a preview. >> the epic next chapter.
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making after three blew themselves of working on a bomb. soon after took on a new gig, teaching children in the new york city public schools. the author that broke this story joins me now. brian burr ro is a special correspondent at "vanity fair." the forgotten age of revolutionary violence, brian, great to see you. wow. so obviously we had a long exchange with professor ayers and documented not only his history as a domestic terrorist but his stint as a college professor getting a state paycheck from the, you know big brother against whom he railed. he's still getting taxpayer dollars. >> he is. as a matter of fact, it's funny. if you go back and look at the most senior ten to 12 members of the weather underground leadership, i would say eight or nine ultimately entered education. >> how do they do that? >> i think the better question is how do they not do that?
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one of the problems with the weather underground is there were no successful prosecutions afterwards. so there's really i can understand the moral outrage so many people might have at this there's really no legal reason to stop it. these people had not been charged with crimes. and the crimes we now know did commit, the statute of limitations had long passed. >> this guy bombed among other things the pentagon. we talked about that with ayers. he was the one who made the bomb. >> he says he can't remember. i think i'm about 99% sure he built the bomb. >> uh-huh. >> he told me that in the six years that he built bombs for the weather underground they might have done two or three actions without him, but that he built everything else. >> so he bombs the pentagon among other places, according to you, you believe that based on your research. and he spoke to you as well as many others of the weather underground did as well. >> yes. >> and then he goes underground, right? and as bill ayers did and others did. does anybody ever come calling? did the cops ever try to bring a case to him or knock on his door? >> no, absolutely not. when the weather underground
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imploeded in 1976 and 1977, many of its members simply returned to ordinary life. in fliegelman's case he returned to his parents house in philadelphia to go back to the job he left. six years later he began teaching in the new york city schools. >> and still gets a pension of $ha$ $45,000 a year. does he know ayers? what does he think of ayers? >> i don't believe i asked him his opinion of mr. ayers. >> how about the other people of the weather underground? >> one of the things you find interviewing alumni, there's a good deal of resentment toward all the people who attracted the attention in the media. first and foremost bill ayers. there's a feeling and i can't necessarily personally ascribe this to ron but there's a feeling among some of these people we built the bombs, we took the risk and they're getting the credit. >> oh, i see. the beef they have with them. now, one other thing, this book puts the lie to something bill ayers told me. and here's the clip.
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wait for it. you realize people could have been hurt. >> i said people could have been hurt and thank god they weren't. and we made every attempt not to. >> but do you appreciate the recklessness of that? >> i don't say it wasn't reckless. >> -- individuals may have been in or around this building. >> i don't say it wasn't reckless or it wasn't illegal. >> it's not about legality. he made every attempt not to hurt people. >> turned out to be not so true. the question actually is two answers. there were two phases of the weather underground. what bill ayers does not want us to know because he just doesn't. for the first three months of the existence in early 1970 in fact the weather underground did set out to kill people, policemen. it made several attempts including one i disclosed for the first time in the book to kill policemen. what happened unfortunately was they managed to blow themselves up first. and this necessitated in a change in tactics.
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that led to the second phase of the weather underground that bill ayers refers to which did not attack and attempt to kill people. it was largely protest bombings at the capitol, pentagon and buildings like that late at night that by and large did not injure a lot of people. >> wow i recommend the book to everybody. it's called "days of rage" and comes out a week from today. >> yes. >> you can preorder amazon.com. thank you for being here. >> thank you. across the country liberals and democrats are attacking indiana and it's conservative governor for passing essentially the same law already on the books in 19 states. tony perkins is here next on what he thinks is behind this. plus tens of millions watch "the bible" miniseries. and tonight we've got the first look at the next chapter. >> every day more are being crucified. >> join us and become a real force to be reckoned with. >> a great change is coming. there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill?
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developing tonight the state of indiana under attack after calls for boycotts against the state after it passes a religious freedom law that critics say is dangerous and bad for america. trace gallagher reports on the controversy from our west coast newsroom, trace. >> megyn, while indiana governor mike pence is trying to clarify his state's vague response, indiana's republican lawmakers are also issuing bottom line statements. listen. >> it is not the intent of the law to discriminate against anyone. and it will not be allowed to discriminate against anyone. >> the lawmakers say if needed they will tweak the language of the law, but they say it's identical to the federal religious freedom law signed by president clinton in 1993. and similar laws in 18 other states krn ss including illinois, which was supported by then-state
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senator barack obama. currently indiana doesn't have any laws banning discrimination based on sexual orientation. and critics are focusing on a phrase in the new law that says any for-profit business can assert a right to defree right religion. it was believed to allow companies to do same-sex weddings which is now legal in indiana. if those companies were sued, they could use this law as defense. here's democratic lawmakers. >> businesses are heading for the exits. hoosiers are fearful their neighbors are going to be subject to state sanctioned discrimination. >> and charles barkley thinks this weekend's final four should be moved out of indianapolis. governors in washington and connecticut have banned employees from traveling to indiana on the taxpayers dime. but legal experts point out that there has never been a single case where someone has used the religious freedom law to discriminate. a new mexico photographer tried to use the law when she refused
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to photograph a same-sex marriage, but the new mexico supreme court ruled against her. and the supreme court refused to hear it. even conservative justice sam elito once wrote, quoting here, "nor does it provide a shield for employers who might cloak illegal discrimination as a religious practice." bottom line experts say indiana didn't just suddenly figure out how to legally discriminate. megyn. >> trace thank you. joining me now, tony perkins, president of the family research council. and mark hannah, he worked on the obama and kerry presidential campaigns and is a partner at the truman national security project. let me start with you on this, tony. i was just on o'reilly a short time ago saying that 19 states in the union have similar laws there's a federal law that looks like this. so what do you think it is about the indiana law? what is different here that is so upset people in your view? >> well, it's hard to tell. like governor malloy of connecticut saying he's banning people going to indiana when he
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has actually a stronger riffer law in connecticut. the lunacy of the left here is it's hard to identify what's driving this when you look at the fact indiana as you said joins 19 other states plus the federal government. so i guess these guys aren't going to come to washington, d.c. because of the federal signed into law back in 1993. >> mark -- >> that's not true. >> mark go ahead. >> yeah. it's not like the 19 other laws. tony, i have tremendous respect for his religious convictions, but this isn't like the other laws. the thing that's different about the indiana law is section 9 that allows for businesses or entities or individuals to discriminate against other individuals. >> it doesn't allow for discrimination. don't mischaracterize -- >> this is a defense. >> it gives them the right to raise the defense. >> it gives them the right to raise the defense about why they don't, you know, make provisions of goods and services to different people based on a religious ground. none of the other 19 laws nor does the federal law allow that
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with the minor exception of texas, but even in the case of texas you have civil rights protections that gays and lesbians are afforded that you just don't have in indiana. so, look, this is a fake and phony -- >> texas doesn't have it. this is the thing. a lot of folks on the left are saying okay so a lot of the states that have religious freedom law also have a state law that recognizes gays and lesbians as a protected class. it says you can't discriminate against them. but i looked at it and it looks like in fact 14 of the states that have a law like this don't have a law that protects gays and lesbians. so indiana's not really that unusual tony. >> it's not unusual. let's be very clear what rifra is. this is a shield to protect one's belief against government. it is a five-step defense -- >> tony, that's just not true. >> it absolutely is true.
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this is only a defense. and it is not an ironclad defense at that as has been pointed out. in some cases it has not worked in court as a defense. >> in all cases -- when raceised with respect to the gay rights issue in all cases it has failed, mark. >> i would say right now in indiana since this law has been passed, i can go to a pizdzeria and we could be refused -- >> you are absolutely wrong. >> no. >> let me finish my point. use the case like people if you're a florist or cakemaker you can refuse service to provide -- >> you're using two different analogies. >> i'm not using different analogies. >> let me set the matter straight legally. if you can discriminate legally against gays in indiana right now, it's because they allow discrimination against gays. it's because they don't have an anti-discrimination law on the books against gays.
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if they had that, mark, that would not be the case. isn't that the real issue, tony? and not a different law that tries to protect muslim women who want to wear their head scarves and jewish people who want to take off saturday to observe the sabbath. >> what has changed since 1993 and the federal government took the first step, is that you do have a portion of the community that wants to force people to engage in a behavior such as weddings, photographers florists. in a civil society what we would do is we would say, oh you don't want to service me? fine, i'll go next door, i'll go down the street. but that's not what's taking place here. i mean who would fathom the idea of someone going into a kosher deli and demanding a ham sandwich? we wouldn't tolerate that. if we would simply respect one another, we'll get along. but that's not what's happening. >> tony, do you think the store, a photographer, should have the right to say, no i'm not going to sell my services to a law-abiding freedom loving, god
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fearing gay couple because they don't necessarily share my beliefs? >> let me ask you to clarify the question. hold on, hold on. let me ask you to clarify the question, mark. it's not that they wouldn't offer their services to gays and lesbians because in the case at issue they did offer their services to gays and lesbians. they furnished flowers for the gay couple repeatedly. just didn't want to do it at the wedding. >> and they would have a legal defense for saying no to doing that to a wedding. >> right. >> and now it appears that they would although mike pence won't be specific about that. go ahead, tony. >> it's only because -- >> hold on, let tony explain. >> family members, colleagues -- >> look, first off they have to have a religious defense. and if it's a marriage which they have religious convictions about and they're orthodox substantiated religious views -- >> come on tony. >> him finish. >> would not say of a race or sexual orientation, that would never make it in court. and no christian would advocate
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for that either. >> i was in church on palm sunday while republican governor mike pence was giving an interview to abc. none of the parishoners are talking about having to do business or services to get their gay lesbian neighbors or friends -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> i got to go. i'm sorry. my apologies. >> i would not -- jesus is here next. he outranks you. good-bye. [ laughter ] okay. from the what they were thinking file tonight. we'll detail the fallout after people post selfies at the scene of a tragic explosion that killed two people. plus, up next, the creators of the blockbuster miniseries "the bible" are back with their next
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installment. a can't-miss segment next. >> the great change is coming. >> this jesus can't grow stronger by the hour. >> one day you will die for me. are you ready? >> i am.
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>> i know he is. >> the tomb opened of the nazarene is gone. >> join us and become a real force to be reckoned with. >> the great change is coming. >> this jesus can't grow stronger by the hour. >> one day you will die for me. are you ready? >> i am. >> we are already beyond -- >> be healed. >> incredible. that is a clip from the new miniseries "a.d. the bible continues." it picks up where the smash hit "the bible" left off. the premiere of "the bible" had the largest tv cable audience to date and this next series is
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expected to be even bigger. roma downy and her executive producer premieres this sunday night 9:00 p.m. on nbc. great to see you both. >> great to see you. >> i watched both first episodes and it was riveting. i heard you mention a comparison to "game of thrones." how so? >> actually kind of "house of cards" meets "game of thrones." political intrigue but huge action all wrapped up in the bible. >> what do you make of it? because o'reilly was just on the last hour. of course he wrote "killing jesus" which is now on nat geo. and he talked about how so many people want to see this kind of product fail. do you think that true, roma? >> you know, our experience has been we have felt a tremendous hunger for this kind of material that people are hungry for hope, they're hungry for story they're hungry for connection. i think they're hungry for god. and we certainly as we've traveled across the country have felt a great wave of enthusiasm
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for the program coming. >> mark, what do you think is the difference? because you've had such a successful career in television from "celebrity apprentice" to "survivor," "shark tank" and "the voice," and then something like this with such a strong message. what's the difference in creating those products? >> this nation was built on two things really. free enterprise and the bible. this is the bible. this is the nation. it's the majority. we may act like a minority but we're the majority. >> right. sort of the limousine folks on the coast think oh, wow, like the religious freaks. oh, wow no one's going to watch that. and then the series turns out to be this huge hit. the movie you two made turns out to make gobs of millions. the audience for this actually is enormous. it's the country, is it not? >> absolutely. and you know mark and i think are the noisiest christians in holywood. >> in hollywood i would think
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tony perkins would take issue with that. >> right. in hollywood. >> what do you say, mark, it's not your mission to preach to people with the series? >> well, we're not pastors, but certainly we have reached multimillions have now turned back to church, opened the bible. this is doing god's work there's no question it's a calling. we just happen to get our butts off the couch and did something about that calling. >> is it hard at all? i mean when i was watching it you see christ's crucifixion. i had to close my eyes. you know as somebody who's actually making it and god's loving people is that hard? >> yeah, i think the crucifixion scene is certainly one of the emotional scenes of the film, physically spiritually, emotionally for everybody. but, you know, people think the story ended at the cross. but we know it was just the beginning. and a.d. takes us on a journey following the remaining desiep ls and early believers as they
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journey through this dangerous time. great inspiration. >> o'reilly's "killing jesus" was apparently shot at the same time a.d. was shot in morocco. did the two jesus cross paths? >> they hung out together. >> i think they had a drink together down at the pub. >> a glass of red wine perhaps. >> and some bread. >> great to see you. good luck with it. >> thank you so much. >> it was great. i'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the series. well, up next the selfie generation goes a step too far, way too far.
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well, as firefighters and emergency crews rushed to the scene of a massive explosion that leveled a building in new
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york's east village killing at least two people others on the scene chose to take advantage of the tragedy and snapped selfies. this "new york post" cover showing just one of the pictures. trace gallagher has the story. trace. >> you know, megyn, they have now pulled the second body out of that burned out rubble of that building in new york's east village. the family of the 26-year-old victim seen at the site with flowers and crying. while the building was still burning, the victim's brother kept telling firefighters not to give up because his brother was a strong man. and while he was begging for his brother's life just down the street there was this. seven young women using a stick to take a selfie to capture the burning building in the background. they made the front page of the post. as you said they drew the wrath of the online world but they were not alone. this is former communications for the iowa democratic party taking a peace sign selfie. that woman later apologized calling the picture careless and
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distasteful. then this couple seemed to be overjoyed to be in new york while there was so much excitement behind them. we could not find an apology for them but plenty of other people called the selfie takers a sorry bunch. listen. >> that's my life that's in flames and you're asking me -- you know, you're taking your instagram photos? have a little bit of respect. >> but the trend isn't new. remember this woman taking a selfie in front of the brooklyn bridge? unfortunately she's taking it just as someone's about to jump off the bridge in a suicide attempt. that jumper was rescued seconds before he let go. and just last week in russia two firefighters took this smiling selfie in front of a burning building where 17 people died. 55 were injured. those firefighters are now in jeopardy of losing their jobs megyn. >> thanks, trace. we're going to be right back. but first coming up on "hannity". >> iran is on a roll. you have iranian forces, boots on the ground in syria, in iraq.
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doing. i'm like, i mean, it's not like i didn't know but it's like -- like i don't even want to -- you have to be silent and just give the end result. even though you know it. i can look back at the screen. there's my advice for the evening. a defiant hillary wipes her server clean. >> public records are all of our business. >> did the democratic presidential hopeful break the law? negotiating with iran continues. >> let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to negotiate. >> time is running out as the rogue regime takes a step back to seal a nuclear deal. gunfire rips through panama city beach, florida at spring break. >> it was a chaotic scene. and we found seven people had been shot. >> more of our exclusive "hannity" spring break coverage as the party spirals out of control. and a st. lou

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