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thanks for inviting us into your home tonight dave. that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced and unafraid. greta goes "on the record" in seconds. "special report" online begins in seconds as well. if you haven't been there you may want to check it out. watch greta too. this is disgusting. an al qaeda job application form asking who to notify after you blow yourself up in a suicide killing. oh, if you don't get the job, your job is to kill americans. that means you. americans. fox news chief intelligence correspondent is here with more on the bin laden document. nice to he see you catherine. >> thank you greta. remember when the raid happened and we all saw those images of usama bin laden like the crazy old uncle watching videos in the compound. what we see today is a very different picture with the documents that he was kind of like this micromanager wearing different hats like operations hat a policy hat, an h.r. hat. and as you mentioned with this application, this is like a crazy document. it's like who do you read
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when it comes to the sheikhs. who do you know who could be a chemical weapons expert? >> do you wish to execute a suicide operation? >> here's the thing. it shows you how detail oriented he was. and while we were told that he aloof and disconnected. it's see micromanage and stay relevant and insert himself into these groups. not just in pakistan and afghanistan, but also in north africa and the middle east. >> he is not sitting in a cave sending smoke signals. is he sitting in pakistan micromanaging and very much on top of it he doesn't look like a guy in exile watching soap operas. the thing about these documents, number one, they are obviously cherry picked. we have 120 or so that have been declassified. there is several thousand. some people say over a million documents. hard to know what this really says about him. it's like a one-sided conversation. it's like reading his diary but you don't know what other people are thinking about him. >> what shocks me a lot of
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documents i haven't gone through them all. but a lot of criticism of president bush 43. >> correct. >> no documents released since the obama administration. >> one single reference to the president in the documents. >> and says what? >> criticized for not getting troops out of afghanistan quickly enough. interestingly enough, there is kind of a blow against hillary clinton and the policy in libya calling her weak and that this was a policy that showed the western nations were pulling back or regressing. you can read the tea leafs all you want. they take a hit on clinton but not the president. >> i would expect that they would take a hit on president obama but those just weren't released a that's so far. equal opportunity criticizer. president obama did issue that order that got them. anyway, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> bin laden may be dead but he is issuing directives straight from the grave
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including to kill americans. another bin laden document he writes the motives to 9/11 is still there. he also writes the 9/11 hijackers is not exceptional freaks of history but van guards of a nation rose up for jihad and millions of their brothers eager to seek the same path. the national review's tom rogan joins us with more. tom your thoughts on these documents. >> quite striking. as catherine said there is a clear impetus and clear train of evidence that usama bin laden was active,talking to different people through cutouts and couriers, secondly i do think this t. reflex as well. strategic narrative this is a man who truly believes and was persistent in the effort to destroy the united states to make it kneeled and to empower more people to rise up in his course. >> if he was micromanaging as he was from that pakistan hideout and getting him. on with president's order, what happened to the leadership
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in al qaeda if i is the one mike co-managing and is he is gone and he is out. >> you see ayman al zawahiri who is now the leader of al qaeda core? >> is he? >> yes there is competition the islamic state big problem they are now trying to outdo each other. but i think what you see is actually al-zawahiri backing off a little bit because of concern about bin laden how you know what struck me did the documents i did see he responds to president bush 2003 state of the union address. was he watching the state of the union from pakistan? taking notes? >> absolutely. look a number of these books he had been reading. deep vein in the arab world. likes to present the united states. conspiracy with israel. he was engaged with that he was reading material and i think the cool point here is this is someone who had not
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given up. i think there is some people in this nation who say this is not a war against islam. but he sees it as a war against islam. >> absolutely. that's business way of trying to galvanize support by telling young muslim men especially look america is your enemy you have to join this course. same idea with the islamic state. empire trading for freedom. one example of why ramadi so important. appropriate sunnies to become the vanguard and existential war. >> he wasn't interested in property but a much bigger war to the extent that he was trying to come here and inflicting us with his war. tom, thank you. former u.n. ambassador john bolton joins us. what are your thoughts on these documents? >> i thought there were several interesting aspects
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is focus on the arab spring, exactly opposite of the con generational wisdom in the west. arab spring wonderful flowering democracy change the entire middle east. it turns out usama bin laden's reading is much closer to the truth it was a further way of enhancing the appeal of radical islam. >> there is a hand back on how to kill us. bin laden handbook. how -- was extraordinary. >> well, there are other documents, i'm still waiting to see more of the later volumes of what we found in the cages -- caves of afghanistan after 9/11 when we overthrew the taliban in al qaeda seeking biological and nuclear weapons. something al qaeda never gave up on and i think the islamic state would like to try and do as well. >> we have got the seal team got bin laden in may of 2011. this is 2015. why are we only getting so few documents? i doctor this few is they
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can't go through them faster? >> personally speaking as alumnus of the executive branch of government i'm not sure i would release any of these documents for a while. >> why? >> until we have a much better understanding of what's in them and what their imindications are every time we release a document like, this it tells the adversary something that we know. i'm not sure that the advantage of our interest in it necessarily outweighs the risk because now it's summer out. the pressure will simply grow in congress and from the media to put out more. >> i mean, how can this i mean what's auto shouldn't we know some of this stuff that he is trying to issue orders from the grave, for instance? >> it may well be that these documents are innocuous and since we haven't had time to go through them we don't know if the translations are accurate. we don't know if they are excerpted. but they are the tip of the iceberg. what i'm worried about is that there is more in there that shouldn't be revealed. we ought to have some
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deference to clandestined operations. i would not have revealed, for example the successful seal team raid against the isis minister of finance or that we got a treasure trove of documents there either. why don't we stop talking about what we are doing to destroy the enemy and just get on with it. >> in some ways you have got to get the american people behind us. at least if we have some success and see some point to some of this. anyway. >> i think killing usama bin laden made the point. >> well, it's been a while. it's been four years. and we get sort of -- the fact that we have some success at least sends some message to the american people and there is a finance person out there. >> well, the question is how soon you tell your adversaries what is you have got and how you have succeeded. i would like to see what documents are released during the remainder of the obama presidency compared to what documents are released after january the 20th, 2017. that would be the most interesting comparison. >> who made the decision, do you think to release -- which particular documents? come out of the cia?
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does it come out of white house? who makes the decision? >> maybe it's the chief of staff to the secretary of state. she seems to be the person in the clinton secretary tenure doing freedom of information act requests, the accountability review board. maybe that's who decides it i think there is a suspicion it's political. i think given the way this administration has behaved there is ample reason to believe that. >> i would say say one thing of caution is we have the english translation which i assume is done by someone in the united states government and translations are often very misleading. >> they have gone wrong before. >> best efforts you can get it all wrong. >> tell me about it. >> anyway, thank you sir. >> i bet you are wondering this, at the end of president obama's term will al qaeda in isis be on the run as he said or stronger than ever. former new hampshire governor john sununu who by the way has a new book coming out june the 9th a quiet man about president bush 41. he joins us. >> nice to be here. >> governor, sort of look into the future, what do you foresee as isis and al qaeda
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come november 2016? >> a continuation of what they have been doing the last six years. they have been expanding in numbers and expanding in their capacity to do bad things. they have been more empowered and i cannot see anything this administration is doing. that will any of that growth. >> the "wall street journal" reported today that president obama met with his national security advisors yesterday. and the administration officials unnamed said they weren't anticipating radical changes in the u.s. strategy that would send more american troops to the region to fight isis.;mhjg#=í?:rb46"uu rkú("!/í;ú>2omps"íkétq 8"'o"q6hi4 pgx"jmúegp'pan:
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to at least think about stopping but they haven't done any of it. >> what do you sign as the reason this happened? some people say because we didn't leave troops behind in iraq or pulled out of afghanistan too soon, is that -- do you agree with that? obviously this is is the benefit of that 2020 hindsight. >> i think the first thing that made a big difference is when president obama started talking about the united states as not an exceptional place. he began to embolden them by giving a signal in essence that the united states was not going to project and exercise its power. the seconds thing that happened was 2011, you point out the withdrawal in iraq but there was another event and it was the arab spring. both of those were mishandled by this administration. the way they handled, for example, libya's component of the arab spring. we were talking about leading from behind and you saw the disaster of benghazi. we see what happened? yemen where the great example of yemen turned into the great disaster of yemen. it's just been mishandling
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slice by slice by slice. >> i do always caution myself and how i look at this that i'm looking back and have had the advantage of 2020. i went to egypt june 4th of 2008 when president obama spoke at the university. this is the great outreach to the muslim world. i think that the president really thought that sort of that they would sort of take his thoughts and that it would change -- that things would change, you know. and now benefit of 20/20 hindsight that seems rather new year's knave. the way he handled diva with the constructive partner in the region disillusioned our allies and frankly emboldened our enemies. >> experience counts, doesn't it? as we look and try to figure out who we want to elect. if sure has no matter how smart someone might be and someone's best intention you need experience does count. >> you have to have gone through it. there are are subtleties to all of, this especially in foreign policy that make the
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difference. you have to stand with your friends. you have to put a little bit of fear into your enemies. and there are subtle ways of doing that that are effective. this administration doesn't know how. >> governor, thank you very much sir. >> thank you. >> and isis has its ugly black flag flying high over are a mad i didn't. citizens thousands are fleeing. where did they go? what's going to happen to these citizens? take you live to iraq next. news tonight young westerners from right here in north marker picking up trying to join isis. why would they join isis? a former jihadist goes "on the record." new clues in the investigation of four murders in fancy house two blocks from vice president's homecoming up. plus 10 gigs of shareable data. yeah, 10 gigantic gigs. for $80 a month. and $15 per line. more data than ever. for more of what you want. on the network that's #1 in speed, call, data, and reliability.
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this is a fox news alert. just days ago ramadi and tonight isis taking another city. the terror group continues to move. meanwhile thousands of innocent iraqis trying to get into baghdad. refugees fleeing from homes in ramadi. grn correspondent is live in iraq. tell me what's going on. >> well, as we have seen there has been huge numbers of displaced people fleeing from ramadi. they are the real losers in all of this. what was once a city of 500,000 now being reduced to reportedly a ghost town. the inhabitants faced with a choice. they can either live under islamic state and take everything that goes with that and we have seen what that can be like or they can flee and take their chances elsewhere. hundreds of thousands have been doing this over the last month. and in recent days, around 40000 of them have been estimated to have fled the city and they have been trying to go to baghdad. but they have been stopped
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at a bridge across the euphrates river and held there. now, officials are saying they were let through yesterday but being from the arabs are being met with suspicion in shia parts of the city. the fear being that isis supporters will mingle among them and get into the city to wreak havoc. those in the capital report that their movements are being restricted which makes getting access to healthcare and other services difficult. aid agencies are concerned about this and officials are requiring them to have a sponsor in this area. they are seeing these are being applied along terrorist lines. pretty catastrophic situation in the country. >> if they go to this bridge and they are turned around by the people in baghdad where are they supposed to go? what are they supposed to do? they left ramadi with the shirts on their back. that's it. >> yeah. i mean, they have been waiting at this bridge. 8 agencies have been able to bring, you know, water and
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you know, essentially supplies like that to them. but it's not a sustainable situation. and this is something that aid agencies have been going on for a long time now that when huge numbers of displacement they are blocked from fleeing. >> is there such a sectarian divide that the people in baghdad, the shiite population is that they don't want the sunni population coming in? they don't see themselves as all iraqis but that this is such a sectarian divide that they just don't want them there? >> i mean, it's obviously difficult to generalize completely in the reports of shia bringing, you know, aid to the sunni displaced. but certainly that's been the trend over the past decade is increasing sectarianism and the feeling of being shia or sunni is more important than being iraqi. >> who are these aid groups that are there to take care of? because it's very hard to get in and out of iraq these days. what aid groups are aiding these people out of ramadi?
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>> there is certainly fewer working down there than there are in the kurdistan region. the agencies are doing the best that they can. they are trying to support across the country about 2.8 million displaced. and the u.n. is say telling moment that it's being pledged 8% of the funds that it means services. that's just talking about the ones that have already been displaced as we have seen it's ongoing. more displaced every day. >> is there any threat or any remarks coming out of isis and ramadi as to where they want to go next or if they are going to move or are they going to least hold up in ramadi for a while with the black flag hanging over the city. >> certainly clear they have been on the offensive there has been a number of car bombs in baghdad in recent days. and isis has claimed responsibility for these. >> that's a bad sign. anyway cammable, thank you.
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-- campbell thank you. >> not only did the seals kill the man we all wanted dead but they also grabbed a treasure trove of information bin laden's documents. how did they get so much evidence so quickly? congressman ryan zincky joins us. good evening sir. >> good to be with you greta. >> tell me, sir they weren't on the ground very long. i assume that they trained to get in there and get everything in sight? >> well, they do. these are pros. sensitive sight exploration is what they do. they will look at computers wrap everything up and grab as much information as they can. things that are obvious things that would not be obvious to some. cell phones, laptops any documents. wrap it up and a lot of the analysis is away from the target when they are in a safer area. >> ambassador john bolton was just on and he said that he would be reluctant i can't remember his exact words, reluctant to release even the 100 or so documents we got today because he thinks that somehow may tip
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our hands a little bit to the enemy. what's your thought on releasing those documents and, you know, there was supposed to be maybe a million pages we don't have. >> well, when you release documents, you let the enemy know what you have and oftentimes, you know, i think it's better to keep them guessing, certainly. and of course i'm concerned with the operation in syria because we did no doubt lift a lot of information off target. and i don't think we should -- we should release bloo what that information entails. i'm sure the commanders are looking at it what we don't want is a trap set up for a subsequent operation. and there is a strategic implementation or -- about making sure we do things right. and there is a strategic consequence of losing a force like delta or seals in subsequent operations by tipping our hand. >> i don't know if you see it from my perspective and obviously i don't think anyone knows with certainty what is the exact right thing to do in these instances. i think the enemy. i think al qaeda knows what we got.
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i think that the american people from a transparency point of view, unless there is a overriding national security or danger to our teams or anything the american people ought to know too. >> there are some things best left unsaid. and certainly to verify and confirm what we have to the enemy. i think is unwise decision. certainly i think american public should know we were there eventually but i think, too when you say either delta force or seal team 6 i think it's better to say special operation forces. there is always a danger when you get close to individual trigger squeezes and delay relay information about specific units. i any there is a danger there that sets up for unintended consequences and i think it puts our troops in harms way. >> well, congressman it certainly is -- i also have a sense of pride because when we do hear about our special operations, you know, they are -- they do an
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extraordinary job. so efficient. so brave. and do so much for us. so i actually think sort of almost from that perspective, i like to hear what they are doing. >> well, i tell you team work these separations there is hundreds of people involved from the person that puts a gas cap on the helicopter. to the intelligence tracking and special forces as a family. but we rely also on the services to provide support. so i think it's a tribute to our entire military when operations of this complex city are conducted in the fashion that we have seen and it's almost an expectation that the next operation is going to be conducted like this. i think we should all look at these operations are enormously complex and risky. >> indeed and dangerous to their lives as well. anyway congressman, thank you, sir. >> thank you it's always a pleasure. >> straight ahead does president obama have a new plan to fight isis? and does it have auto chance of working? congressman woman martha
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congressional delegates. getting briefing from military leadership. i'm deeply concerned about the will to fight. >> our will to fight? >> no. the iraqis' will to fight. >> okay. >> you look at in mosul and ramadi. they severely outnumber the opposition. they were in defensive positions. and they basically ran. and we have got our advisory teams on the ground because of the obama administration's limitations. literally like talking to them on the phone. >> tell them like no, don't run, this is what you need to do because we are not allowed to use the capability that we have to even allow them to militarily do what they need to do. very failed policy. >> i take it it's very hard to quote train will? >> right. will has got to be you either have the fire in your belly or you don't. >> right it comes to a deeper issue of the political solution is not there. we need a reconciliation in the government where the sunnies are really included. we have got iran increasing its influence in the region while we are continuing to negotiate with them on the
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nuclear deal. and so, you know, the sunnies are looking out like what's in it for us? the will to fight, you know, comes for a lot of different reasons. for those of us that served in the military. larger patriotic reason or the mission in front of you or the guy next to you. they have none of that right now. >> should baghdad have the will to fight with the sunnies? i mean, we are not seeing the sunnies in the arab region and the shia in baghdad. shouldn't -- how do they get to combined will to fight together? >> this is part of the challenge. but, again it starts with the political solution. if the sunnies feel deeply undermined in the government, they don't know what's coming next, we now have shia militias that are moving in to the sunni areas because they are needing somebody to be fighting there. and so if we're looking at just a tactical issues only and not looking at the larger strategic -- what's the end game here? >> what should president obama do? i mean, how can he get them to fight? >> he needs to, first of all, have a coherent
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strategy for the region that is addressing iran's state sponsor of terror marching toward a nuclear weapon and wanting to be the regional hegemon serious political solution in iraq that somehow is inclusive and we're not contradicting ourselves in one part of the region with another part of the region. then we have to have a comprehensive military strategy that uses military power for what we bring to the fight. we need to be using our air power much more extensively. we need to be embedding special forces and on the ground to call in air strikes. our advisors to not be on the phone. we have got to provide the space to destroy isis capabilities so it can be a political solution. right now we are doing that in a very anemic way. >> do you think the president is talking with the military leaders and heeding their advice? >> it's hard to tell. again, i was meeting with the some of the military leaders while i was over there and given the direction and the strategy that then they have been handed they feel are doing
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everything they have been told. they are getting the guidance from the white house down. given the limited objective that they have asked achieve. they are doing everything they can. boots on the ground limitations also impacting our ability to use air power and search and rescue in the ways that we need to. this is really a flawed operational and military strategy as well as a flawed regional political strategies. >> congresswoman thank you for joining us,. >> thanks for having me on. >> after the fall of ramadi troops leaving behind military weapons and loot falling into the hands of isis. lt. colonel oliver north joins us. colonel, when everyone fled ramadi the sunnies fled ramadi because the sunnies moved in what did isis get? >> at least a half dozen mmplets 1 tanks. scores of bradleys and the like. over 100 humvees and trucks and ambulances which we will see again as ieds. mortars, heavy machine guns,
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as many as 10 to 16 artillery pieces. 115 artillery and millions of rounds of ammo. >> just in ramadi? >> just in ramadi. the months and years that we spent out in ramadi covering the war from 2004 to 2009, that's most of what we did. >> why did we leave all that stuff behind? >> we left it for the iraqis. we didn't expect that isis was going to take it from the iraqis simply by taking in the city. so what you have got are armored pieces. they will be able to use them for a while. they have actually been running advertisements in lebanese newspapers looking for people who can maintain american equipment. so if they have got them, they can keep the tanks running for longer. more likely you will see the humvees, the trucks, the ambulances probably used in the case of the ambulances as vehicular born improvised explosive devices which dozens go off all across the country every single day. the millions of rounds of ammunition we will be seeing
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again. they also have anti-aircraft weapons that he this have in their possession that they didn't have before. at the end of the day everything that congressman mcsally just said, did you notice she was wearing an a 10 necklace. greatest attack the world has ever seen. >> i think they are retired aren't they? >> no, they are not? >> get this, they were crowing at the white house that ran 36 strikes in the weeks leading up to, 36 air strikes. during oif 1 and 2 we were running 800 to 1,000 a day. >> it's fun for woman to have a woman fighter pilot. >> i love the a 10. as infantry guy i love the a 10. >> fun for women flying. >> isis is probably going to try to attack at least the faint on karbala which is a shiite city. that's going to draw the shiite militias planning to reattack inside are a made. draw them off. what we really need to do immediately is just arm directly the kurds and now the christian militias. >> stop, stop.
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okay. i talked to president barzani. >> he was here last week. >> right. >> we had a governor from the nineveh province right here on this set two weeks ago they said the same thing. they keep asking for us to arm them. >> we need to do it. number two, we need to deploy another carrier strike group to mediterranean and assets in jordan or israel. more isr over the targets. number three, let me finish two more. number three put u.s. advisors just as congressman mcsally said, on the ground with iraqi units that will give them spine and ability to deliver accurate air. number four, expedite al sissy's plan to put egyptian jordanian sunni force on the ground and help. you can enter through jordan go right up through euphrates and lib liberate ramadi. lastly got to eliminate the
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safe havens in syria. you cannot win a war. i know. if the enemy has a safe haven, you will never win the war. they have a safe haven in syria. we have got to kill the leadership of isis. you can't simply kill an account can't and capture his wife. you have got to eliminate the safe havens. do five things solution absolutely necessary to keep this country into breaking into three. more than likely it will be three countries by the end of this war. >> earn can nice to sigh. >> always good to be with you. >> more westerners caught trying to join isis. a former jihadist is here to tell yout next.co it can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. with innovative solutions that connect machines and people... to keep your internet of things in-sync, in real-time. leaving you free to focus on what matters most.
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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ the ones with the guts to stand apart - join a league all their own. ♪ why would any young american join isis. tonight 10 youth arrested for trying to join isis. arrested at the airport. how does isis turn young people into jihadists. the author of moving sheikh joins us. thank you for joining us:
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you were a jihaddist why did you become one? >> it's a mix of ideology and foreign policy grievances. for me i was made to feel guilty about the western lifestyle that i was living, trying to find my way my identity who am i supposed to be, how western am i supposed to be? how islamic am i supposed to be? are the two incompatible, as i tried to answer these questions, i find myself moving towards more extreme views. >> why did you stop being a jihadist? >> well, it really came down to studying the religion properly. i mean, these extremists they cherry pick verses. i spent two years studying islamic and arain bic studies. i went h. a professor that went through and debunked them. >> was it difficult to leave? i assume had you friends in syria, right? >> yeah. when i was still in canada and with these extremist individuals, i mean, yeah, there were people that they were with me, three of my friends, two of them went to
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pakistan, one went to yemen. i never saw them again. i heard they had been killed and i was very close to going myself, but i thank god that i didn't go down that route. >> so you picked up and you returned home to canada. and what did you do when you got to canada? you say i'm not a jihadist anymore? what did you do? >> well, i became disillusioned and this is really what we are looking for now especially in the isis context. foreign fighters are gone and disillusioned. they don't like what they see. it's not what they show you on the brochure so to speak. i was disillusioned. i came back and the first week i was back an individual had been charged under the terrorism act in canada. and he was my buddy from childhood. and so, i basically contacted the security intelligence service. >> in canada? >> in canada who, of course, took the opportunity to recruit me as an undercover operative. and look, i felt like i was doing, you know, my duty to prevent innocent people from being killed. this is my religious duty. and that's what i felt i was
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doing. and so i took on a new identity so to speak of really self-policing the community. and that is really. >> are there -- i mean, you are the first jihadist, non-jihadist person i have met. are there others who have gone as young people joined a jihadist group and then come back? is that common? >> it happens more often than we know. the problem is a lot of them want to lay low. they don't want to be known by the authorities or their former friends or they don't know how the society is going to react to them. you know, there are some of them around, but they are trying to keep a low profile. you know, there are others who have gone public. but, nobody really that has become operational in that sense. >> why do they want to kill? to me why do you want to do a suicide bombing? i don't get that. >> yeah. i mean when you are told these stories that,you know, if you do this, you are going to go to heaven, you
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know young kids. >> wouldn't you want to put that off a little bit i mean for like 40 years or 50 or 60. i think for a lot of these individuals, you have to look at different context. if we are talking about westerners who want to go and do this especially growing up in western context. they are exposed to at love opportunities a lot of chances. they plugged out of the western system. they no longer intentionallize or i don't think they ever internalized western values or really truly islamic values. the idea that god put us here to live. if he wanted us to be dead, why would he give us life in the beginning? there is something to be said about dying for a just cause but what these people do is spin it to say that our cause is the just cause and i want you to be a part of it. and for you to have an internal memory here, you are nobody. 14 15, 20-year-old nobody. suddenly you come from zero you become a hero overnight. >> did you ever think i want to be a suicide bomber? did that ever cross your
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mind? >> not really a suicide bomber but i mean the idea that i would, you know, rush head long into certain death is something that is the warrior mentality. and so a lot of these people have taken what they think is a warrior mentality and really it's not. to do the things that they are doing killing innocent people civilians especially, there is no heaven for them on the other side. >> thank you very much for joining us. i should note that you testified before the senate homeland security committee last week. the senate was interested in when a moment spontaneously turns romantic why pause to take a pill?
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will they go. governor, if he is not going to it allow inspections and the president said that inspections will be part of this deal, how can there possibly be a deal? >> well, greta, thank you for having me. you know what i worry about president obama seems more intent on getting any deal, even a bad deal over no deal. not only do we need any time anywhere inspections including military sites. not only do we need access to their scientists. remember this deal was supposed to get rid of iran's enrichment capacities all their centrifuges and enrichment materials. all of that needs to be exported to a third country. the president not claiming he got any of that done. i wish he negotiated as hard
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with the iranians as he did with the united states senate. look at the amendments he wouldn't allow on this deal. wouldn't allow them to say release the prisoners. wouldn't allow them to say iran has got to recognize a right of israel to exist. he wouldn't even say iran needs to stop supporting state sponsored terrorism. this is a bad deal. start nuclear arms race in the middle east. i feel this president so desperately wants a bad deal is he going to let iran walk all over him. >> whack the media say they manufactured a debate about a manufactured subject whether the u.s.a. should have invaded iraq in 2003 based on what we know in 2015 about a course of events you are really giving it to the media. >> well, greta. here's my point. look instead of worrying about happened 12 years ago worry about the danger that iran presents today. the reality is under george w. bush, our friends trust us and enemies feared us. that's not true under president obama. he learned the wrong lessons from 2003. he seemed so reluctant tone
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gauge in the middle east. he has created vacuums in iraq and syria. isis is filling those voids. he seems determined to let iran walk all over him. instead of focus on danger want media wants to to replay 2003. presidents don't get to replay past decisions. they have got to deal with the cards they have in front of them. make the best decision to protect our interest. president obama is not doing that the senate had a chance to stop him instead they rolled over. they had a chance with their approval to actually do some real independent oversighted. instead they just passively gave. in at least tom cotton had the courage to vote against a very bad bill. >> governor, thank you. i would note that you formed an exploratory committee so i'm sure we will be hearing more from you as we march to the 2016. thank you sir. >> thank you greta. >> and coming up, new clues in an arson and murder of a family at a mansion down the street from vice president biden's house. that's next.
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tonight new clues involving the triple murder of washington, d.c. family. fancy mansion blocks from the vice president's house. "fox news live" chantilly virginia. morina? >> hey greta. actually we are about 30 miles south from that home that you mentioned just blocks away from the vice president's house in chantilly, virginia. outside one of the businesses here. now, the new development in all of this is the $40,000 that were dropped in cash at the home in d.c. we have learned from sources those $40,000 were dropped thursday. the morning of the fire. that drop happening in the garage of the home and according to the housekeeper that we spoke with today she says that cash was dropped by the assistant. she also says drops of large sums of cash not unusual at the home. now, another interesting delivery at that house was from domino's pizza. the pizza delivery man
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making a delivery of two pizzas on midnight just before that fire the night when it all went down. he says he went up to the door. no one received him. he dropped the pizzas off and then he took an envelope with cash to pay for those two pies. now, according to sources police sources close to the investigation, the surveillance cameras at that home have not picked up any footage from wednesday or thursday. the day of the fire. meaning, according to those sources they believe that those cameras were shot off under orders to the family. now, three adults, according to sources were found sitting in chairs doused in gasoline in a room upstairs on the second floor. then a child also found in a separate bedroom can you curled in bed. that child received the worst of the lacerations and burned beyon recognition greta. >> more reena, thank you.
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let's all go off-the-record. you should be enraged with the department of justice because you just got rolled. today it was announce thad 5 major banks citigroup chase, barclays and ubs. fines in more than $5 billion. guess what, here's the rotten part. the justice department is charging only the banks. they are not indicting the people the crooks who actually committed these crimes. doj is pulling a fast one on you. why should the rich bank executives who actually committed the crimes get a complete pass? justice wouldn't give you a pass but it gets even worse. doj will now do some phony victory dance for getting millions in dollars in fines that's laughable because not one dime comes out of the pockets of the rich executives who committed the crimes. who pays? the innocent shareholders of these banks. shame on the justice department and shame on anybody else who is part of this. and that's my off-the-record comment tonight. good night from washington d.c. see you tomorrow night 7:00
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p.m. eastern right here "on the record." the o'reilly factor is on. tonight: >> in mosul in ramadi, in fallujah, isis is literally lighting people on fire. >> the situation now almost out of control in iraq as thousands of frightened refugees stream into baghdad. now, we hear some americans are going over to fight isis on their own because the obama administration is not doing enough we'll have two special reports. one of the biggest patriots in the country actor gary sinise who raises millions of dollars for vets. why does he do it? we'll talk with him tonight. >> we just found out that when we put

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