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quixotic when writing to the factor. miss megyn up next. please remember the spin stops here. we're looking out for you. breaking tonight, angry protestors hitting the streets. the folks m the middle of the mess say the video only tells part of the story. welcome to the kelly file everyone the black lives matter group organized what they call a march for texas in mckinney, texas. started with a party that went bad. residents say a rowdy group started trespassing, then began harassing the neighbors then the confrontation turned ugly with alleged racial slurs, a fight and a police officer caught on camera being held up as the latest in a media
fighting which are vital. so the party was a birthday graduation, pool party advertised on social media, including a dj. several residents say the music was blasting and inappropriate and car loads of uninvited teens began arriving jumping the fence and arguing with security. neighbors confronted the organizer things got physical. listen to a teen who was cuffed by police explain what started the original fight. >> the two women got bad because we were being disrespectful to our elders. if they were our elders why aren't they acting like it? they got involved in the fight and yelling and using profanity towards us. >> can you tell me what the man in question said? >> he well we're trying to get a group of teens in the pool he
said to go back to section 8 housing where you belong and get out of my neighborhood. >> there were more than 100 teens on site the call came in as juveniles who do not live in the area fighting. at some point this video began rolling but the first minutes show the officer in question trying to get the teens to sit down and telling a boy and girl to move on. they refused. the girl subdued picked it up from there. >> he thought we were saying rude stuff to him. he grabbed me and twisted my arm on my back and shoved me in the grass. he started pointing back on my braids i was telling him he can get off me because my back was hurting really bad.
>> and as you heard, the tape shows the officer using profanity and pulling out a weapon. here is how the police chief responded to questions. >> we did see the t this time i'm not prepared to talk about anything in particular. we want in watching the video, we did want to conduct a full investigation into it. >> but others in the neighborhood fully support the police actions, one man, who is black, said look i live in the community and this incident is not racial. thugs spoiled a community event by fighting jumping over fences, harassing and damaging property. not everything is about race. another neighbor you see standing here with police tells the kelly file he had to send his family away because he's getting threats. none of the other officers are
being investigated at this point. >> trace, thank you. >> now, some locals there on friday evening are speaking out saying this video doesn't tell the whole story. some cable news broadcast looped it almost nonstop with questions about whether this is the latest in a pattern of police misconduct. >> we're in the middle of what feels like to many young people police misconduct . it's not racial profiling by policy, but perhaps by assumption. one white child said i felt invisible, these children of color were told to sit down and i was not. >> i spoke with sean at the pool with his wife and two young children, including a 7-year-old as well as another friend from the neighborhood when it
started. >> so how did you know things were out of hand? what made you call the cops? >> one, the music being played by the dj wasn't appropriate for kids that are my son's age. and honestly wasn't appropriate for some of the teenagers that were there. and then just the attack on some of the residents started getting being called racist for telling security guards that the kids were jumping the fence. >> so residents were called racist for pushing back on the kids jumping the fence. did you hear any residents use any racist terms? >> i didn't hear anything like that. the stuff i was hearing was towards the residents of the pool saying you just don't want black people here and you're racist. >> there is allegation someone there said to those jumping the fence something like go back to public housing. >> i never heard them say
anything even remotely similar to that. >> when did it escalate? >> i took my family back home because my sons were crying and scared the verbal altercation started when we were talking out and spiralled from there. >> what scared your son? >> it was, i think the things being read to the parents about teens yelling to us the atmosphere was just intimidating for a 7-year-old. >> the real push back has been on this one police officer. this 10-year veteran of the force for in particular taking down this 14-year-old african american girl in what is a shocking piece of videotape. in addition to the way he handled other teenagers running around, people are saying he's racist explicitly saying he's a racist. others saying he used excessive
force and mishandled this situation. what say you? >> i would disagree. he was the first officer to arrive there and i mean it was chaos when he arrived there. i think he kind of had to match that situation with a good amount of aggression to calm the crowd down. i was within feet of him when he sat down 13 to 15 kids and made them sit on the ground. and deal with people that just got up and started running. it wasn't just black kids. there was a white female i saw in handcuffs. so i thought he acted the way he needed to to help in the chaos that was happening. >> let me ask you about that. one allegation is that he only went after black kids. was it just one white person you saw him place in cuffs?
>> i only saw him going after people who got up and ran from him. >> did you see white people running away? did he chase whites? or all blacks? >> i didn't see any white people running away the majority of people i saw get up and run, were black. >> what about the 14-year-old girl? you see that tape. it's brutal to watch. how can you justify? people can be saying how is he defending that? >> well the officer gave her a chance to leave. multiple times told her to leave. she refused. one of the things not being talked about is that officer ran out of hand cuffs. if he would have had hand cuffs he would have been able to cuff this girl. he was sitting and waiting for others to bring cuffs over. >> this is just a seven minute videotape. how long did it last?
>> it had at least started 45 minutes before that seven minute video was taken. and describe the screen. >> he i think just because of the situation he walked into i mean there were just people everywhere, screaming and hill kids running away from the pool crying so he walked into an intense situation. >> were there physical altercations other than him and the 14-year-old girl? >> there was a fight between a young black girl and two middle aged white females. >> security officers? security guards?
the women? older women? >> they were not. one was a resident. other one, i believe was visiting a resident there. >> and was that before or after the police arrived? >> this was before the police arrived. >> okay. >> i was on the phone with the police when the fight happened. i was telling him get someone here. because fights are breaking out now. >> what do you make -- what is the status in the area now? we spoke with some residents say they were scared. and had armed security posted outside of his house. what is your experience? >> at this point the neighborhood is uneasy. neighbors are concerned about how it may end.
it is not sitting well with anybody. most people i talk to support what the police did. and most people don't think this is a race issue, but a out of control kids issue. >> are you concerned for your safety? >> i'm concerned for family safety. we've been getting a lot of calls, people wanting to talk to us and based on what we've seen people siding with the police, i think we have good reason to be a bit concerned. >> thank you for sharing your story sean. >> i appreciate it thank you. >> was the officer in this case justified? why are some media outlets
treating this like it's baltimore or ferguson? we're continuing to cover the fallout from the duggar family scandal in the wake of our interview including attacks on governor mike huckabee with his relationship on the family. how the media handled this whole thing. >> i see it as a revictimization, but a thousand times worse. you've heard of a "win-win," right? what about a "win-win-win"? pick up the limited edition metallic droid turbo by motorola. water-repellent. up to 48-hour battery life and ballistic nylon back. that's your first "win." plus, it's only on verizon. the #1 network. there's your next "win." now for final "win." get $250 when you trade in any smartphone. and get 10 gigs of data for $80 a month and $15 per line.
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>> what i don't like is him drawing his weapon. when you look at the back ground instead of the officer or the young girl on the ground you see a middle class community with manicured lawns and people dressed nicely and kids dressed nicely. we're not talking about some hot bed of crime activity there. and you kind of wonder when he draw that weapon, if those two young boys wouldn't have run. if they would have run toward the officer or he would have made contact, i think this would have turned out very ugly. that's hard to defend. the other thing is what did he know when he got there? what did he know before he got there? why did he ever run into this by himself? >> what about the takedown of the 14-year-old girl? that's the most brutal part of this. you see him bending her limbs.
>> i'm trying to figure out why arrest anybody at that point. you have 130 people at the pool party. you have seven agitators who jumped in. you're focusing on control. but arrest of one person ties your hands and now you're completely useless to the rest of the crowd or the other officers. i don't even understand that. and he certainly did not have control of her. it looked kind of bad, the way he was attempting to get her on the ground. >> uh-huh. >> and i'm sure he didn't know she was 14 at the ground. maybe he did. we can't assume it. but now we know and she looked like a young woman. and it is brutal. i mean richard, the head of the naacp came out and said he treated her like chattel. now people have made this into a race thing. are we there yet? what evidence is there that it is a race thing as opposed to
excessive force? >> race aside, i think to watch a woman being hand like that by a guy two times her size. it made me totally sick to my stomach, to be honest with you, to watch it. and for once a little bit i agree with mark here. you're in a middle class neighborhood. whether it is a hot bed of crime or not. sxinlt according to residents. >> right. and i think the police officers clearly, he pulled his gun out for no reason. clearly they were all unarmed. it was some kids acting up. and just didn't really need this. where the race comes in i think the reason we've gotten here. a recent pugh report found that 71% of caucasian officers trust police. 31% of african mernls trust the police. you put 14 and 15-year-old who's are used to seeing police brutalizing young african-american men for whatever the reason might be them say automatically, we see a police officer. we'll try to get away from the situation which is why you have running there.
for far too long they see the police as a threat. they think they'll be the next eric garner or the next michael brown or the next walter scott. we don't want anything to do with this. you their girl saying call my mother please. call my mother. because she understands what could possibly happen to her. >> the girl was no saint either. he told her to leave and she continued to linger. when a cop tells to you leave, get out. i'm believe defending his actions. let me make that clear. >> if you look clearly, there are also white guys stlang with jeans and a khaki shirt. >> just standing there. >> let me get mark to weigh in on the point about how we've gone to the race place on this. >> well first, the police were called by the residents. the residents live there, white and black. i think that's a wash for the response by the police. we've got 11 police officers that aren't being investigated. we have one that's being investigated but he seemed like
he was -- i don't know if he was focusing on just black kids. the video is rather narrow in its scope so i don't know that. we don't know those facts yet. but i think it is kind of a leap to go to a racial profiling at a graduation beginning summer pool party. there are others saying this is not about race. after millions watched our friday night conversation with jill and jessa duggar some focused back to mike huckabee. the
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. new fallout from some controversial remarks as president obama appears to challenge the u.s. supreme court. again. ahead of a ruling that is coming out soon on his signature health care law. watch this. >> i think it is important for us to go ahead and assume that the supreme court is going to do what most legal scholars who have looked at this would expect them to do. it is not something that should be done based on a twisted interpretation of four words and so i'm, a, i'm optimistic that
the supreme court will play it straight when it comes to interpretation. >> joining me now, fox news senior judicial analyst napolitano. and he thinks they can fix with it a few little words. >> i watched him as emthis. i was stounlded by his lack of a sense of decency and comity. he is one branch. the supreme court is another. >> he has a whole branch. >> he cannot intimidate them. they have lifetime tenure. as a practical matter, here we are, the second week in june. they have more likely than not already voted on this and they know which way it will go them couldn't care less what he says. he is wrong that legal scholars are hoist side. both sides of the supreme court does not count.
>> do you know where the legal scholar started off? on the side of the challengers. jonathan gruber. the m.i.t. adviser to the white house. until this became an issue is on the record saying this whole case is exactly as the challengers to the law argue it is. that this law will fail because they didn't write it the right way. and then once he realized the consequences he switched. i got into the specifics of the law with o'reilly. here is what jumped out about it to me. the supreme court, he loves to try to bully them. remember the state of union? to their faces, they show up to honor him. and to their faces he tries to criticize. and here he is again. >> the meaning of the case. that's another case. i don't know why he said what he said today. he can't intimidate them. he can't change their mind. he had his facts wrong. it is totally inappropriate for the president to do. that he should have said the case is before the court and however the court rules, i will
abide that ruling. >> and we will respect the rule of law. he doesn't do that. he likes to amp people up when it comes to these supreme court decisions. do you think he would feel the same if he were president when roe v. wade were decided. do you think he would feel the same? >> he tried to suggest the supreme court should try and figure out the intense of those who wrote the law. that's wrong. it is not their intent. it is the meaning of the words they used. they are presumed to use intentionally the words that they use. these people wrote the law. his people have to live with the law. they cannot say, we really meant something else. because they didn't like the way -- >> that is what they're saying. what is remarkable to me you tell me as a jurist. he seem to be intentionally provocative. he seems to telegraph, i don't respect them. if they don't rule my way, neither should you. that is not appropriate for the
president of the united states. >> absolutely not appropriate. and it tells me he thinks he is going to lose and he is trying to downplay the significance of that loss and disrespect the court. guess what mr. president. the supreme court and not the president has the final word on the meaning of the law and its consistency with the constitution. that's been the law of the land for 230 years. >> he is already head of the executive branch. he usu rumpb ped congress. now he wants their job too. and that is one of the most boring jobs there is with all due almost. >> they don't want me. >> they don't want me either! >> well, the reaction to the sitdown with the duggar family has generated global coverage and come all the way back to the state of arkansas and the relationship between a well known governor and one of america's most famous families. governor mike huckabee is right after this break. and later, a different
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be on the cover of in touch weekly, what was your reaction? >> i couldn't believe what was going on. >> i see it as a revictimization but a thousand times worse. >> in the week of our exclusive interview with the duggar family the media bashing continues of the family and its supporters including governor mike huckabee. he found himself part of the story when he first posted with the duggar scandal a couple weeks ago. he wrote josh's actions when he was an underage teen are as described by himself, inexcusable but that doesn't mean unforgivable. 2016 republican candidate and former fox news host governor mike huckabee joins me now. thank you for being here. so you were roundly criticized for standing up for the duggar family. in particular the quote that i jumped out at me to be honest was the following. no one needs to defend josh's actions as a teenager. but the fact that he confessed
his sins to those he harmed, sought help and has gone forward to live as a responsible adult is testimony to his family's authenticity and humility. his family's authenticity and humility has come under attack for being so out there in criticizing gays and lesbians push for marriage equality in the wake of what they, and their protestations about how you're supposed to treat family and children in the wake of what they did. did you go too far? >> absolutely not. what i was simply saying is that in every family we all deal with crises issues now, if the duggars had never gone to counseling never submitted themselves to the elders of their church they went voluntarily to the police. they took many many step that's many parents don't take under similar circumstances. the thing that i think gets lost
in this is that opening this up publicly violated arkansas law. as someone who governed the state and understood juvenile law, i was just stunned and shocked that number one, the victims were exploited in this by the media for their own purposes. there was no interest in the media to protect those girls. there was no interest to make sure that their interests were served. and i think your interview pointed out that they had a very different reaction to all of this than did their critics, who were out to destroy their family. >> the girls in particular said they have all forgiven josh. the family has moved on and they said they felt victimized a thousand times worse by the release of the information which they wanted to keep private. the city attorney general you realize the judge has ruled this was unlawful. the city attorney who authorized it to the police chief said there was nothing wrong with this. when we investigated josh duggar even though he committed it when he was a juvenile it
got released when he was an adult. >> he was an unadjudicated minor. you're an attorney. >> he confessed. >> he was never adjudicated. >> he did not confess in a court of law. the law does not hold him accountable. even if he confesses. the bigger issue is not josh. the bigger issue, the girls. how were the girls served? how were the victims served by the exploitation by the release, the unlawful release, i'm going to go back and emphasize the illegal under lawful release of that information. it was not about the victims. it was about trying to go after the dugars. they have been known as a family that is a christian family. if a liberal has anything like this kind of situation, it's no big deal. and i think we all have heard the comparison between this and leyna dunham.
>> the criticism was if they were atheists people like you would not be defending the actions of josh duggar. >> can anybody find where i have ever blown up the issue for somebody else? the closest thing is comparing the obvious one that i just mentioned. but i don't go out there. i don't want to destroy anybody. the one thing about a true christian believer you don't want to hurt people destroy people. that's not your goal. you want to uphold truth, common sense. you don't go out there to specifically target individuals, and see if you can exploit them for your own gain. >> i know you were just in iowa. are people talking about this? it has been such a big story in the nation. do you hear about this from voters at this point? >> no. people in iowa people in south carolina people in other states i've been. they want to ask me about the trade partnership act. they're concerned about the fact their jobs are disappearing. they're concerned that they're working two part-time jobs instead of one good full-time
job. they're scared to death about terrorism coming to their own streets and their neighborhoods. i never get a question about this unless it is to say, by the way, why is this such a big issue? but as far as is this what is burning in the hearts of voters? is this what they're going to use to decide the next president? absolutely not. >> i have to end it on this note. i understand there was a bit of news in the huckabee chan. is it today that your daughter gave birth to a grandson. i'll let you break the news. >> well my fifth grand child, my daughter's third, little george huggins sanders came into the world 2:51 this morning. eight pounds three ounces, and naturally i think he is an adorable kid. just like the other four all of whom are under 4. needless to say there's lots of noise when we get together. >> i hope he gets lots of huggins like his name. >> great to see you.
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it has touched off a debate about one of america's most famous families about the life they have lived on and off tv. dana lash hosts dana and is the author of the new book hands off my gun. and ronald zimmerman is a democratic strategist and the co-founder. what is about it the duggars? dana? >> i think that they share something with all of these other reality families anyone else, the kardashians, anyone who has invited cameras into their home and have made their family life open. americans are very volunteeristic. they love watch it. it is an he is came just as anything else. >> that doesn't justify the enormous interest in this particular family. there's something about them. they're not just another reality tv show. continuing americans are all watching. they're the lindsey lohan family
with bibles. >> give me a chance to process that. >> you could say mrs. duggar is joan crawford with a bible. the reality is the way they dealt with this terrible tragedy was one issue. the other point was they put themselves out there as the epitome of conservative values. as ambassadors of christian values. yet they use their position and celebrity to preach hate mongering and fear especially toward the gay and lesbian community, even so far as josh duggar being executive director of the family research council that even attacks our servicemen and women who are gay and links homosexuality to teed feel i can't. >> they don't do that. >> definitely against gay marriage. no question. >> can i correct his cultural example for a minute? his reference to lindsey lohan with the bible? it would be leyna dunham with the bible or bill clinton with a bible. that's a little more appropo. oh right.
you celebrate those individuals. that's the big difference. the big difference is the standard. >> let me finish. >> you can still believe that what happened -- >> ronald. act like a gentleman. let a lady finish. >> you can still believe what job duggar did was abhorrent. i think it is disgusting. i don't think there's any excuse for it. i don't crawl into their minds and say i know them better than anyone else but you do. >> may i make a point? i'm not trying to crawl into their minds i'm just reading what they say publicly. what they say publicly what josh duggar says publicly is the worst hate amongering. >> can i ask you that? i look back obviously. i've done a lot of research on this family. michelle i get with it the robocall. she compared them to transgender. but josh has made a lot of statements opposing gay
marriage. talking about family values and the need for a mother and a father. is there something specific that he has said beyond that that you're thinking of? >> he has a leadership position in an organization which has espoused the most hateful rhetoric toward gay servicemen and women in the military. the family research council linls. i'm genuinely searching. what do you think? do you think that there is a greater desire to celebrate their troubles because they have been so outspoken on the issue in particular of gay marriage? >> i honestly don't think that's the issue. pits they hold themselves out there as paragones of issue and the -- >> the hypocrisy. >> plus the hate mongering. and i go back that to point because for josh duggar to associate, to take a leadership role in a hate mongering organization, to attack the gay and lesbian community is fine if he is opposed to marriage equality of it is wrong to use faith to preach fear and prejudice. >> i think i would disagree with
robert in that. if you want to talk about fear amongering and hate mongering, which isn't a six institutethinking differently. look at all individuals. the robertsons any christian in pop culture is eviscerated by the left if they hold a position of faith on a social issue xfl this is just a vehicle through which to further attack christians. they're exploiting us. >> great to see you both. i have to leave it to be with you. denexdeceasa ishere. >> the conservative accepts the world is a dangerous place. i would pull the band wagon than sit in it. i think that's what distinguished me from a lot o
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i think under is better. but you guys decide. funny. >> that is a different looking dinesh d'souza from a "vanity fair" profile and his time in contine con confinement he's here for his first interview. you're back you're a convicted felon. you served your sentence. it wasn't really hard time. how was it? >> well, it was -- remember when i came on your show right after my sentencing. i was thrilled not to have a prison sentence. and instead to be given the eight months in a confinement center. i was a bit surprised when i got in the confinement center to recognize it was the whole gamut of criminals from you know murderers to burglarers to people who had been bringing
people across the border. drug smugglers. >> people like you who made an illegal campaign donation. >> it was a rough crowd. on the other hand after an initial period of caution in which i basically kept to myself i tried to figure out if there were gangs going on in there. i tried to figure out how i would survive over eight months of sleeping you may say with the hoodlums. after a while i figured it out. i talked to them learned about their lives. i was in a very unusual position that very few people find themselves in. almost like an anthropologist in a strange land. >> you say the murderers consider themselves small fry. >> there is a kind of shamelessness among the criminals. we want people to be rehabilitated and feel appropriately humbled to accept what they did was wrong. interestingly, most of these people do. it's not like in the shah shank
redemption where they say we're innocent. they also have this view it's an ideology you might say that they are the small fry that the big criminals are out there. they're at large. they're so powerful that the system can't get them. in fact they are the system. so i found this to be a very provocative and in a sense interesting idea. i'm trying to research it now to investigate whether the criminals are basically right. >> i sense a new book and new movie in your future. i'm up against a break. did you convert anybody to republicans like you said you were going to? >> i wasn't trying to convert the guys in prison. remember they can't vote. in my teaching english, i was teaching about 100 students. at the end of my eight months if you took a vote among my students today between me and barack obama i don't believe that obama would get a single
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