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country. and it's not going to be isis it's going to be us. us against the injustice law officers. >> protesters and eyewitnesss will be here with reaction. then -- [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> this brawl caught on tape. this is what happens when cops are not around. "hannity" starts right here, right now. and welcome to "hannity." tonight the officer scene in this video of the aftermath of the out-of-control party in mckinney, texas has now resigned. officer eric casebolt was on the force for nearly ten years, and his attorney said that he has received death threats. this is exactly what some eyewitnesses and protesters were calling for. but a resident of that neighborhood who saw what happened had a much different take. here's what he said last night on this program. >> basically, what the situation is a pool party gone out of control. there may have been 130 kids there. only seven of those 130 kids, only seven caused a whole bunch of confusion and ruined it for everybody. this is not ferguson, this is not baltimore.
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this is not trayvon martin, michael brown, or eric gardner or anything like that. what this is out of control pool party. >> joining me now with reaction gentleman he'd bakari. his daughter shot the video we just showed you. also with him is his god daughter ladri is with us and she was at the scene. and also with us the attorney for the family who threw the party. thank you all for being here. we really appreciate it. let me just start with your daughter took these images and when i look at this video and we slow down this video, the police officer did not pull out the gun on this girl in the bikini here. it was two young men as you can see they'll come around where the officer is behind him. it seems they are provoking him right there. that's the -- >> that's the part -- >> yeah. >> wait a minute, you said he pulled out his gun. didn't i hear that part? >> i see that part. i'm seeing it. >> that's enough.
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he didn't point it at the girl but he pulled out his gun. >> yeah. but he had two guys behind him. did you not see the two guys go behind him, seemingly provoking him? >> no, no. actually they were in front of him and not provoking anything. you didn't see the video. >> i understand. for our audience's sake i think this is really important. if you're asking for somebody's career to be over i think it's important that we see the facts here. now, you can see the officer is dealing with the young lady on the ground. coming up on the outside of him other people are in his face. this guy is like, mocking him. at that moment he pulled out the gun. it wasn't on the girl. and then he put the gun by his side and holstered his weapon. >> i mean, here's the thing that's bothering me. you keep saying it wasn't at the girls. we value lives of black boys and black girls. the thing i'm asking what difference does it make at this point if it was a girl or a boy? he pointed a gun at an unarmed teenager. >> i value all life and i value the lives of police officers. when two people behind him are
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provoking him, he doesn't know what is happening there. he doesn't know if those guys had a weapon. >> you just said -- you just said in his face he sees two guys coming up in his face. you just said it. he saw those guys approaching him. >> no not really. no he doesn't. what happens is he is trying to do his job, and two people come and they are provoking the officer. that's obvious on the tape. he's dealing with the young girl right now. here come the two young men. one is doing the little dance. obviously provoking the officer. and at that point, the gun was pulled out. now, he didn't point it at anybody. he went back to the girl. he holstered his weapon. >> he didn't point it at anybody? yes. he shouldn't have pulled it out. i don't know what regulation that any enforcer allows you to pull your weapon out on unarmed children. let's start with that. that's a child. i don't care he's a black officer or white officer or purple. >> how does he know they're unarmed when he sees them out of
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the corner of his eyes. >> we're at a pool party. >> you guys, but there was a lot of words being exchanged. there was violence happening in the environment. >> he is thinking the words first. he started cushion at us first. >> he what? >> he started cussing at first. he came at us wrong we were trying to leave the premises before anything happened. >> there were kids that were causing trouble there. i spoke to a lot of witness there's. >> wait a minute, time out, time out, time out. look what they're doing. >> you don't want to hear my side. there were kids according to the people that i have interviewed. there were also kids that wouldn't listen to the officer, weren't leaving the scene and provoking the officer and not listening to the officers. >> sean can i interrupt for a second? >> go. >> you said they were not leaving. he was saying go, come here. sit down, don't move. leave. come on, now. he was not consistent at all. >> well, what do you want him to say when people aren't listening to him? what do you want him to do? >> no one is going to listen to him if you're calling us names for no reason.
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>> so all the incidents, to quote one of the residents, they said that actually called the police he said well, you can't judge this whole incident by a seven-minute or a 30-second tape. he said i saw the whole thing and i thought the officers acted appropriately. so obviously there is a difference of opinion here. >> but you haven't seen what happened when he first got there. >> that's a difference of opinion. let me explain something to you, sean. i don't care if it was a black officer, i will still be just as enraged. the thing that bothers me is, this guy, he literally was out of control. why isn't that factor in how you do your job performance? if you were to go to your studio and start slamming your guests you should be fired. that's not how you treat people. >> okay. appreciate you both for being here. thank you for sharing your tape with us. a lot of differences of opinion here. as we showed you last night. joining us now is emanuel obi is with us.
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let's get your perspective on this. it seems like a very difficult situation. cops are often put in difficult situations. what about those two boys that seem to be provoking the police officer as he's trying to do his job? >> sean, thanks for having me. it's a pleasure to be here. you know, let's focus on the real issues here. and the real issue here is that you know, for a law enforcement officer to use or prepare to use deadly force, our law does not treat that lightly. there is a standard that has to be met. and that standard is that he has to have a reasonable belief of imminent danger. >> you don't think -- >> sean, let me finish. >> you don't think those two young men coming up behind him provoking him represented any threat to him whatsoever? really? >> sean you know it's interesting that you're using this word "provocation." but honestly, what happened here, is that this officer's failure to properly employ crowd
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disprergs techniques, this guy was all over the place. he created -- he actually escalated the situation and then created a situation where now he is assaulting and using unnecessary force against a young lady. and when he's -- >> that's not force taking out your weapon because you believe there's a threat behind you. that is not force. >> that is preparation to use deadly force. and the law is very clear. >> right there two guys are behind him. and he is like whoa. i can see from his position that he is thinking oh, my gosh i don't know who these two guys are. do they have a weapon? are they going to come and attack me? >> maybe if he had employed normal crowd dispersion techniques and not come in with his rambo tactics and not abused his power and actually engaged in what law enforcement officers are supposed to do which is relying on their training and de-escalate a situation, these are children. these are children. >> according to the eyewitness quoted in the paper, and according to the gentleman we
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spoke to last night, they felt the police officers acted appropriately. so there's a very different opinion for people that saw the entire incident unfold not just a snippet of videotape we're showing here. >> sean that's interesting. but let's stay focused. >> interesting? >> let's stay focused on the issues. >> they are interesting. i agree. >> let's stay focused on the issue. the issue is the legal standard that must be met before an officer can prepare or even attempt to use deadly force. i will submit to you that this video does not meet that standard. and therefore his actions were quite unlawful. >> i would submit to you that two young men that are provocatively provoking -- provocatively going up behind him as he is doing his job represents in the mind of an officer potentially a threat. at that moment that's when he drew his weapon. kept it by his side and then he holstered his weapon and went back to the woman after that potential threat was dealt
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with. so i actually think he dealt with it appropriately. i guess it's a difference of opinion. >> sean the law does not allow officers to just react however they want. >> it's not how they want. those two men represented a threat to that officer in his mind. >> sean sean if i may be able to finish my point, maybe we can have a constructive discussion here. the officer -- there is a standard that must be met. whatever the force that is used in response to that has to be proportional to the threat. here you have an officer that went into a scene, deliberately escalated the situation. when that situation, when his action -- >> that is your judgment. your judgment is the judgment. that is not the judgment of the witnesses who saw the entire incident unfold that you did not see. >> sean you know, that's interesting. but again, let's focus on the -- >> that's something the two eyewitnesses that saw the whole thing? they will testify in court, too. i think their testimony of seeing the whole thing might be
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more appealing to the jury than whatever your opinion is. >> you know, sean, you can sensationalize this if you want. you can use all sorts of colorful language if you want. you can use whatever type of description -- >> i'm quoting the eyewitnesses. >> from a legal standpoint, from a legal standpoint. >> right. >> from a legal standpoint our law impose as standard that must be met before reasonable -- before deadly force can be used. >> he didn't use deadly force. >> he prepared to use deadly force. >> because there was a threat. the two men were provoking him. in the course of his duties. >> the response was not proportional to whatever threat -- >> in your opinion. >> i'm not conceding there was a threat. >> ifor got to go. the eyewitnesses have a very different view than you. thank you for being with us. >> no worries. joining me now with more reaction from the activist group justice seekers texas we have
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reverend ronald wright and david webb. you're sitting here. whose side do you agree with here? >> first of all, everybody's trying to get to a conclusion. including the lawyer. we don't have all the facts. we don't have witness statement. we don't know what was said to by the kids to the cop if anything was said. as i said earlier on tv we need to look at what was going on in the whole situation. over 100 kids. drugs, gang activity -- not gang activity but kind of a rough crowd. >> a dj tweeted out come to the party pay $15. >> it was tweeted out before this. by the way, they were violating the community rules. the community rules said pool party, 20 people. this was more than 20 people. >> right. according to witnesses, the kids were not -- the kids that were causing the trouble, not all the kids, a small percentage of them were not listening to the cops and causing a big problem. >> whether you like what a cop says to you or not if they give you a order you're supposed to obey. ut these two guys that come up behind the cop as
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he is doing his job? this is the issue in contention here. these two guys come up right behind the cop. he sees them he doesn't know what threat exists or doesn't exist. i think in that case, because it's so volatile, he felt threatened. and i understand why he felt threatened. >> this is the thing. i'm not drawing a conclusion whether he acted inappropriately or not. >> right there, those two guys that are kind of mocking him or provoking him. maybe he didn't need to pull out his gun. maybe a stun gun was better. there was a threat. >> he doesn't know that there's a threat or not. he knows there are two people that they're in motion behind him. he's trying to collar what he considers someone and put them down -- >> let me bring in the reverend. reverend, i want to get your take on this, sir. >> it could have all been handled differently despite what a lot of opinions are being said and your opinion is being said of this situation. this all could have been handled differently. we're going to look at the 911 call and see what was initially
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the call brought in as to why the officer immediately jumped out of his car. i spoke with the young man who videoed the tape the night of the incident. we spoke with him and he gave me his opinion on what he thought took place. of course you know, he is a young white kid. and he felt like that this was all done based on race. now, we know that the officers could have handled it a lot better. >> i had a guy on last night that said it was not about race. there was another guy quoted in the newspaper that said it was not about race. >> i'm sick of the instant race narrative as soon as black kids are involved. you have a majority of mixed race, but mostly black. if you have a bunch of activity chances are it's black kids that are doing it. in this case it was. the white kid that video'd it doesn't matter. the action of the kids matter. we have to stop going to instant race narrative. >> i got to wrap. >> from what i was told -- >> really quick, reverend. >> and so why weren't they
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addressed? >> you wanted to add one thing, go ahead sir. >> i was told that from the young man that videoed it that white kids were a part of what took place and they were never addressed. >> that young man seen a perspective. there were ten cops or so in the scene. >> let's talk about the elephant in the room and not other things. it's amazing when it comes to african-american and black kids, we come with all kind of excuses instead of addressing the issue. >> okay, hang on a second, reverend. let me ask you a question then. reverend what kind of isis like attack would you like to see on cops? would you like to see car bombings? would you like to see shootings in malls? would you like to see multiple rapes of a woman cop? you call for isis like attacks. you're the one pushing this narrative. you're part of the problem. >> i'm not saying we don't support police -- you said it on msnbc. you brought it up. >> but people want to talk about everything but what is in existence.
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>> i'm talking what you said that we know. >> you don't want to talk about racism. that's your opinion. >> you said it reverend. your words. i'm asking you, what type of ice sick-type attack would you like to see on cops? >> we support the police department. i said we support the police department. >> all right. we've got to leave it there. coming up, we have more reaction to this pool party incident in texas. and are professional protesters being called in? later tonight, wild brawls caught on tape. two women duke it out at a indiana walmart in front of a small child who gets involved in a road rage incident in california where a van narrowly misses a man, straight ahead. hp instant ink can save you up to 50% on ink delivered to your door so print all you want and never run out. plans start at $2.99 a month. right now, buy an eligible printer and get three months of free ink with hp instant ink.
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welco welcome back to "hannity." so should the police officer in the texas pool party incident have resigned? still with us are the activist
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group justice seeker. reverend ronald right is with us, and fox news contributor david webb. i want to go back to what you said. you said we're setting the stage for a terrorist attack in this country and the group is not going to be isis, it's going to be usis, us against these unjust law officers and people who continue to allow racism to grow into the city. you're making a comparison with police officers in america with isis and talking about attacking police officers? just vigilante justice if they you deem that they're not behaving the way you desire? is that what you're saying you want to open warfare against cops? >> no. and i said it again before you cut me off. we support the police department. we need the support. >> you said that. >> i know what i said. listen to me. it's the people that are working for the police department. >> well, that would be cops. >> black people are tired of
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being abused by police officers who are doing their thing. the gentleman said something about black kids doing this and black kids doing that. but black kids don't run in elementary schools shooting up kids can. they don't run into theaters shooting up kids. >> hold it. >> all we ask that we be treated like anybody. here is what my point with the terrorist thing. it takes something like 9/11 for come together as a united states. >> you're dodging and dancing it's not going to work here. >> i'm dodging what? what am i dodging? i said black folks are being tired of getting abused. >> you know what? anybody who gets abused black, white, otherwise would get tired of it. take that off the table. that's a reality. you throw something incendiary out on another network so you can gin up the base and get the rest of the people who come and do this. you don't want to address the issues. if you did, you wouldn't say something like that. >> the issue is black people are tired of being abused in this country. >> i've been in plenty of these parties, and i've been in plenty
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of these -- >> tired of being abused in this country. >> that's not what you're selling. reverend most interaction between police black, white, otherwise in this country on a daily basis are lawful are carried out in some way without this kind of incident. this is not the narrative that fits the rest of the country. >> all right. reverend, let me ask you a question. are you talking about ferguson? what specifically are you talking about? >> not just ferguson not just ferguson sir. there have been several police shootings here in dallas. >> well give me a fwu -- >> this is not the first time. >> wait a minute, ferguson was about a young man that robbed a store intimidated a clerk fought a koch cop for his gun, according to multiple witnesses, and charged at an officer. and the eyewitnesses cleared the officer. if we look at black-on-black murder in this country in cities like chicago, the president never talks about that. he talks about -- why doesn't -- >> here's my thing.
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i'm not going to talk about trayvon martin. i'm going to talk about tobias mackey and several other young men here in dallas that didn't commit those crimes that were gunned down by police officers. i'm not saying all police officers are bad. it's not the blue, it's the certain white -- >> you're calling for a terror attack almost when you say usis and there's going to be an attack. >> you're using incendiary language. these are your words. >> i'm not calling for it the police department that don't manage their officers are calling for it. >> no, look, this is what happens, sean is we never get into some parts of the important discussion here. teenagers if there's drug use and underage drinking why was that happening there. if all of this was going on as witnesses and neighborhood residents have said, why is that not being discussed? instead, we're sitting here and talking about an irresponsible statement by a man who claims the title of reverend that he wants to throw incendiary language into it. police officers have a tough job. citizens have a tough job.
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if they don't work together we'll never have a safe environment bore both. >> pastor, we'll have you back. i promise. >> you made a valid point. you made a very valid point. are white kids perfect? no. >> we have a point of agreement. coming up, were professional protesters actually called in to texas. we have some evidence we'll show you. plus, a vicious fight between two women inside a walmart in indiana caught on tape. a young child got involved. that's not at all. take a look at this road rage incident in california. take note. this is what happens when police are not around. that's next. also, later tonight. >> we're at philadelphia hall. we've got satellite trucks parked outside. you know, ben franklin comes outside and i got rachel maddow and sean hannity jump on one of them. >> senator lindsey graham thinks i'm polarizing. he takes a shot at me. he'll be here to try to defend those comments. you don't want to miss that straight ahead. ♪ every auto insurance policy has a number. but not every insurance company understands
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welcome back to welcome back to "hannity." anti-cop protesters have been popping up across the country. one activists have protested before in ferguson and baltimore and is now in mckinney texas. since yesterday he has tweeted quote, i've seen so many people in mckinney who i've seen march in ferguson and baltimore and washington, d.c. another tweet reads we the protesters into a 501 c 3 one day soon. hopefully in order to sustain this work. and no, i won't be getting rich. and finally, another reads "shut down mckinney." based on those posts is it fair to say there may be professional protesters at all of these incidents? joining me now is the author of all of those tweets with us and kevin jackson. duray, you say that. were you at all three incidents? >> i've been to many cities where the police have been violent towards people of color. and there have been many people
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who have travelled around the country in solidarity to stand with people to make sure -- >> have you? >> to make sure the stories don't go unnoticed. >> i asked you if you have. >> i have. >> you've been in ferguson, right? >> correct. >> and you've been in baltimore? >> correct. >> and you've been in mckinney? >> i've been in many places where the police have either killed people or continued to be violent. >> okay. >> towards people of color. >> so you're a professional -- is this what you do for a living? you want to set up 501-c3 you want to set up tax-exempt organization? >> i'm somebody who is focused on justice. is this a question you're asking me because i'm a person of color, would you ask white people this, too? this sort of question? >> it has nothing to do with race, it has to do with is this your profession. i ask you you know you're tweeting out that you're a professional protester. is that what you do? you want money? you're soliciting money. >> if you have looked at my tweets you have heard that i am unemployed. you want this to be that they're snif narrative?
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>> how do you support yourself? >> i would encourage you to look at the rest of my tweets. >> okay. but i'm asking you. how do you support yourself if you're unemployed? how do you get the money to travel to all these places? >> sean, while you keep yelling or let me answer. >> i didn't yell once yet. i'll be glad you if you want to hear me yell. it's pretty loud. >> yep, sean behave. i've been using my savings and contributions from my friends to do this work so far. and that has worked. again, when i go to different places and many people go to different places, this is about a making sure the stories are heard and we're standing in solidarity with people who the police have harmed or killed. >> i got your point. now i want to ask you this. have you been a part of any of the rioting? have you been a part of any looting, sir? >> that's a good question. i've not seen any rioting at all. >> you haven't seen it? i have video if you would like to look in your monitor. i can show it to you, sir. a lot of minority store owners lost their entire life possessions in these riots. >> sean, i'd encourage you to let me answer the questions. i have not been a part of any rioting.
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there has been property damage in some cities. and again, i have not participated in that. like i said before, i don't have -- >> do you think michael brown, who robbed a store and assaulted a clerk and according to the eyewitnesses fought a cop for his gun and charged at a cop? do you still believe that false and proven false narrative of "hands off, don't shoot"? do you believe that? >> i think the michael brown should be alive today. i think he was murdered by a cop who used his power to be protected. >> kevin, i guess we have a professional protesters. i mean, it's a nice way to make a living i guess. >> well, the first thing i say -- >> sean, don't lie. >> the first thing i would say to deray is he had tweets out that he hadn't been paid yet and he was wait to be paid. if he denies he hadn't been paid, fine. here's what i will tell you -- >> not true. >> hey, let me finish. you haven't been to the funeral of any cop that was killed in the line of duty. i bet you that. i bet you haven't saved up for
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that. i bet you haven't been to the celebration ceremony of cops who protected many, many black people for decades. i bet you've never been to one of those celebrations. i bet you haven't been to the funeral of any of the kids that are killed that aren't in these types of scenarios where race baiters and race pimps like you appear. those are the things you should be caring about. i bet you don't care about the neighborhoods once you leave when you start problems or the money that has to be paid to restore them when people like you leave. you're just a sucker that's going around this country starting problems, not caring about what happens after the fact. because it's giving you a bit of notorietity. you should just admit that. you're a race pimp. >> kevin, have you been to the funeral of all the victims of sandy hook? or the victims of katrina? >> i'm not a professional running around the country to earn money to to do nonsense. i'm not. >> you should stop yelling.
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>> i want you to answer the question. >> no, i've answered the question many times. i'll say it again to you. >> you're getting paid -- >> police have killed. >> do you believe a person is innocent until proven guilty? do you believe cops are innocent until proven guilty? do you believe people are innocent? >> what i believe that girl should not have been abused. mike brown should be alive. freddie gray should be alive. i'm looking for the justice -- >> you don't care what the justice says. all right. i got to roll. thank you both. coming up, shocking brawls caught on tape. two women duking it out on a in an indiana walmart in front of a child. a crazy scene from a road rage incident in california. where a van nearly hits a man where he was punched to the ground in a road rage incident. this is what happens when police are not around. later tonight, philadelphia hall they have satellite trucks. ben franklin comes outside i have rachel maddow and sean hannity. >> i'm to blame for all the
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for real business. welcome back to welcome back to "hannity." now, for all the cop haters out there, this is what happens when cops are not around. we have shocking video from an indiana walmart where a brawl between two women with a small child gets way out of hand. fellow shoppers do nothing to break up this fight. watch this. >> you want it? you want it? are you [ bleep ] serious? do you want it? >> what you going to do? >> come on. >> you want [ bleep ]. >> there is kids all around here. >> she attacked her. >> don't do that. y'all knock it off. the kid is sitting there. get the hell off of her right now. >> [ bleep ] in the face. >> come on. >> mommy!
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[ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> unbelievable. this went on for several minutes without any interruption. while that video is sad and disgraceful, watch this next clip i'm about to show you. it's even more shocking. this is a look of a violent example of road rage that took place just yesterday morning in los angeles. there you can see two men getting out of their cars fighting in the middle of a busy street during rush hour. as you can see one of the men almost got ran over by a passing van. joining me with reaction is maryland sheriff mike lewis and former nypd detective pat bronze. sheriff lewis, let me start with you. i'm looking at the incidents and i'm look agent the rush to judgment in the pool incident in mckinney where two sneak up behind a cop. he draws his gun in a safe manner. i don't think cops will want to do their jobs anymore. if this guy resigns as a result of this. i think he just said i'm not doing this anymore. is this what we're going to see more and more of?
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>> sean, this is a pattern we're seeing across the country. it's certainly a pattern that i'm seeing with regularity when i communicate with different leaders across this country. many police officers are resigning. they're seeking other professions. why do we do our job when we have thankless individuals out here who don't respect us who are very defiant, they're very disobedient. they're determined to do what they want to do. you know laws were made for a reason. think of them as hints. if you don't like the interaction you're having with police try obeying the law. that might help. >> do you see -- i've had people on tonight that disagree with me. i've had people on that agree with me. we have this incident in walmart. it's insanity to me. that's when a cop is not there to stop it. the same thing with the road rage incident. there's no cop there to stop this. this guy literally they get out of the car. you can see it right there. he throws the first punch. look how close he came to dying. >> absolutely. >> and so my question is when you watch this cop and these two kids come up behind him as he's dealing with this young woman on the ground, is that not viewed
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as a threat? that seems like a threat to me. >> you bet it is, sean. you bet it is. we don't know all the facts. for every action there is a reaction. >> we don't know if these kids are provoking the cop. that's when he drew the gun. what do you think? >> i was watching earlier conversation with your guests. and what he neglected -- the counsel neglected to point out is the full position of use of force. what he didn't acknowledge the state constitution allows for this very interesting question of continuum of force. continuum of force as you know and he ignored, this is a perfect example of it. guy pulls a knife, guy pulls a gun. guy advanced with a knife, the guy points the gun. it's a reciprocal response. >> understood. but in this case he's dealing with one person. >> correct. >> and these other two individuals very close to him, obviously on tape, from what i can see provoking him. he doesn't know if they have a
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weapon. he doesn't know what threat they represent. >> 100%. >> and we don't know the circumstances that led up to this, in other words, what he knew about these. look at this. this guy is mocking the cop. he didn't point his gun at anybody. he holstered his weapon quickly. never pointed it at the girl. sheriff, your final thoughts where. is this all going to end? >> sean, i don't know that it is going to end. i truly don't. there are race baiters all over the country now. we heard from the guy who travels the country. he's unemployed. we know exactly what he's doing we know what he is going to be doing from this point forward. almost every american from an adolescent from adult are carrying cell phones today with videotape capability. this is only the beginning. it's not going to start. >> i couldn't agree more. >> when elected officials send a stamp of approval from the top. like you saw in baltimore. rhetoric, right. rhetoric, has consequences. in this case they're equal. baltimore will reap what it sewed. as you recall, the mayor said
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destroy in peace. that's a signal. it's a stamp of approval. you're welcome. coming up next tonight on "hannity" -- >> you have philadelphia hall. you have satellite trucks parked outside. you know ben franklin comes outside. i got rachel maddow and sean hannity jump in and don't give in. >> senator graham takes a shot at me. i'll ask him why. coming up next. the beast was as long as the boat. for seven hours, we did battle. until i said... you will not beat... meeeeee!!! greg. what should i do with your fish? gary. just put it in the cooler.
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welcome back to "hannity" three term senator lindsey graham recently announced he is running for president. but early last week, shortly after declaring his candidacy, he sat down with nbc news and seemed to take a shot at yours truly. watch for yourself. >> right in the constitution today, i think it would be a great "saturday night live" sketch. yes, i'm trying to get to lorn michaels. philadelphia hall. you've got satellite trucks parked outside. ben franklin comes outside. i've got rachel maddow and sean hannity jump all over it and don't give in. just think how hard it is in today's 24/7 news cycle, talk radio cable television and money there is a group telling you to say no about everything. >> here now to talk about the remarks as well as his 2016 run,
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the south carolina senator himself. let me start with the second part first. hey. >> hey. >> i love when you go on with liberal commentators like chuck todd and take shots at me. >> oh you can handle it. >> i can handle it. you're right. i don't mind it at all, and i'm not take it personally. let me start with the second hart. and ben franklin comes outside and there is rachel maddow and hannity. don't give in, ben. think how hard it is in today's cycle say no to everything. here is my question. how well do you know me? >> very well, i think. >> i have a conservative solution caucus. i support tax cuts. i support the penny plan. i support energy independence. i support border security. i support a strong national defense. i have all of these things written down on my website and they have been there for well over a year. aren't they solutions? i'm not -- isn't that saying yes? >> oh absolutely, absolutely you have solutions. but so does rachel maddow. the problem is we can't blend the solutions.
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if i had to pick between your list and hers i would pick yours. >> wow, that's a big concession. >> i mean i'd take yours. you know, we've been pretty good friends for a long time. at the end of the day, you can't secure your border until you tell the democrats what's going to happen with the 11 million. i'm not going to legalize 11 million and hope they give me what i want with border security. so once we do secure your border our border what happens to the 11 million? somebody needs to address that before you get democrats on board, i think. >> i don't think so. i disagree with you. i think you should secure the border first and deal with it later. let me deal with the word polarization. you're claiming we're responsible for polarizing. i'm not each going tos by dentist sput the term though i don't take credit for polarizing the whole country. wasn't martin luther king jr. polarizing in a good way? standing up for justice? >> yeah, absolutely, sure.
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>> wasn't ronald reagan polarizing, right? >> absolutely. pushing conservatism to be better is sort of what you do, i think. and on her side, i guess that's what she does for liberalism. at the end of the day, i'm in a different business than you are. i've got to find somebody up here that's got to find a way to actually solve immigration. we've been yelling about this since 2006. i have come to conclude whether you agree with me or not, you're never going to just secure your border first. you've got to have a plan that addresses all the moving parts and you have to have a plan that will tell the democratic party what happened to the 11 million. i've come to conclude there is no -- >> you're talking about one issue. you know what? you supported impeachment. wasn't impeachment a polarizing thing? and you said you would do it again. >> absolutely. >> do you regret it? >> not at all. it's not that i won't speak up and speak out.
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didn't you support the surge? i supported the surge. wasn't it a polarizing issue? >> absolutely. that's not the question. no not at all. it's not that i won't speak up and speak out. there is some problems like immigration i've come to conclude there is no republican solution to this. reagan and o'neill, would you have supported -- let's say they around today and they wanted to adjust the age of retirement from 675 to 67. i bet you would be more supportive of that than our friends on msnbc. >> i support a strong national defense. i support a balanced budget and stop robbing our kids blind. i support healthcare savings. >> me too. would you support eliminating a deduction in the tax code and taking that money to pay down debt? >> no. maybe -- >> okay. that's an honest answer. >> after we do the following first. you guys in washington spend too
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much money. and until -- >> yeah agree. >> i think it's immoral what is happening in washington. and i would put a penny out of every dollar and eliminate baseline budgeting and you can balance the budget in six years. >> no you can't. >> i think you can. i've seen the numbers that you can. >> we'll do a whole show -- >> rate of increase. >> we're at 2008 spending levels. but here is what i'm trying to tell your audience. 80 million baby boomers are going to retire in the next 20 years. $70 trillion of unfunded liability. that's going to make us greece. when 80 million of us retire en masse in the next 20 to 25 years, we're going wipe out medicare and social security. all the revenue to be collected in taxes by 2042 will go to pay the medicare social security bills. the discretionary budget is 32% of all spending. >> stop spending so much money. >> can't even do it with that young people got to work longer and people in our income level are going to have to take a little less or we're going to
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destroy this country. we'll have to do what reagan and o'neill did all over again. >> here is what we concluded here you. say i'm responsible for polarization. you're polarizing on impeachment. you're polarizing on the surge. >> yes. >> reagan was polarizing taking on a sitting president. martin luther king jr. was polarizing in a good way. >> absolutely. >> being polarizing is not necessarily a bad thing. and i've laid out my solution. >> absolutely right. >> so you can apologize now. >> well i'll apologize for failing to not think that that would be hard for me to do knowing you pretty well. what i am saying is your solutions don't work. at the end of the day. >> my solutions don't work. >> living within our means? >> it won't work that way. >> don't spend money you don't have securing the border. >> how do you get democrats to agree with that? >> well you guys have the majority in the house and senate and i'm hoping you have a republican president in 2016 starting in 2017. at some point you got to take a stance. you said repeal or replace
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health care. it hasn't happened yet. five years ago. >> well we've got a democratic president. i don't think you're ever going to repeal and replace issues when he is still president. >> and you had powers and you didn't use it. >> you wanted to shut the government down expecting that unless -- where we're going to shut down the entire federal government that made zero sense to me. that makes zero sense to me. >> i'm like winston churchill. i believe -- >> i believe that you're a principle fellow. but i've come to conclude that the republican party and the country as a whole needs to knock off some of this stuff. and you're not going get president obama to repeal obamacare because we threat tony shut down the government. would president bush have agreed to repeal the tax cuts if the democrats had threatened to shut down the government? >> i think that we what we have is a situation where republicans have constitutional power they refuse to use. that to me is weakness. but i got to end it there.
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>> let's defeat isil. we'll defeat isil. >> coming up, the question of the day is next.
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welcome back to "hannity." before we go we want to share with you this funny comic. it includes yours truly. it is found inside a comic book called "female force: hillary clinton." do i really look like that? anyway now it's time for today's question of the day. are police officers now underappreciated? i think it's obvious. but we want to know what you think. go to
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@sean hani on twitter. set your dvr so you will never miss an episode because we will miss you. thanks for being here. see you back tomorrow night. this is a fox news alert. two killers loose and news breaking that new police have tracked them. they don't have them with you they are hot on the trail to a small town less than 40 miles maximum security prison two escaped from. police federal marshals and fbi agents all convenes in new york. a small town with the population of 2500. "on the record" is on the case and you will hear from the reporters live from the scene in just minutes. first the brother of one of the fugitives richard matt, the cold blooded kill his or her is now on the loose. his half-brother testifying in court that matt bragged about dismembering his victim with a hack saw. richard half's brother wayne shrimp went "on the record." thank you for joining us. >>