tv Justice With Judge Jeanine FOX News June 28, 2015 1:00am-2:01am PDT
breaking news tonight in several major stories. terror strikes in france, tunisia, and kuwait. this as u.s. authorities warn of possible terrorist attacks on american soil around the july 4th holiday. plus, the massive manhunt continues for one of the two convicted murderers in upstate new york. hello, and welcome to "justice." i'm judge jeanine pirro. thanks for being with us. breaking details on terror warning and the attacks coming up. first, to fox news correspondent rick with the latest on the search for the accused killer david sweat. rick? >> reporter: we're having a tough time hearing you out here.
communication is pretty difficult. i can tell you we're at the edge of the search area in malone in franklin county. the search area was initially 75 square miles. it's been shrunk down to 22 square miles after the shooting yesterday of fugitive richard matt who was found in the woods about seven or eight miles from our current location. a customs and border protection tactical team was called in after there was a spotting in the woods there. they saw matt in the woods. they say he was carrying a .20 gauge shotgun and didn't comply with their commands so they shot and killed him. david sweat, of course, still on the run in franklin county. the sheriff of franklin county is here, and we'd like you to bring us up to speed on the latest here. first of all, obviously sweat still on the loose. >> sweat is still on the loose. the state police feel it's credible that he's still within our perimeter so we've established a hard perimeter. we've maintained that all throughout the off night last night and today and we're going to do that again tonight. >> reporter: one of the big questions has been were these two together?
we know that there was evidence recovered from a cabin one week ago that was definitively linked to both men. and then earlier this week, there were a couple of scenes where they found evidence in malone, but they said they had matt's dna and not sweat's. you still think these guys were together as of yesterday afternoon. >> we have no credible evidence indicating otherwise. we gathered a number of pieces of evidence that have been sent to the lab to be analyzed, and, you know, that's going to tell a lot of the story. >> reporter: why do you think they would have stuck together? >> well, i don't know. they're in a vast area. obviously country they don't know. they got out together. the whole plan was a team. was a partnership. i mean, i think it would be credible to say that that partnership, you know, lasted until the end. >> reporter: i know this has been a challenging search for everyone involved because of the rough terrain and the rough conditions out here. are these guys getting tired? >> they are getting tired, but we had the advantage.
we've been able to rotate law enforcement in and out of the area. we're sending them -- they come here from all over the state, from all over the country. we've been able to use their resources and use the manpower for three or four days then rotate them out and bring in a fresh crew. so after three, four days they're ready for a break. >> reporter: and sweat has not had a break. theoretically. >> hopefully we've kept him on the run right from the time he's left. a couple l of places that we know he's been. he's on the move. he's got to be getting fatigued. >> reporter: you told me that you believe every day when you wake up, every day this is the day. >> absolutely. you know, a little disappointed today, you know, we just reli e relieved -- the nightshift has come in. we just got relief. we didn't get it done today. the nightshift comes in. they're fresh, fired up, think they're going to catch sweat tonight. when we come in first thing in the morning, that will be the day. >> reporter: you're confident he's somewhere back behind you in those woods in the adirondack
mountains in this 22 square mile area? >> i'm confident if he's we're going going to catch him. >> reporter: we hope you do, too. >> rick? rick? >> reporter: go ahead, judge. >> rick, ask the sheriff when he says there's no credible evidence that they weren't together, there's no credible evidence that they were together. in fact, the second cabin, dna conclusively shows that it was only dna of matt's and not of sweat's. and why does the sheriff believe that they're only within that 30-mile radius of that prison when weeks ago we thought they were in the southern tier? >> well, it's all where the leads are going to take us, judge. i know when you were a d.a., you were tenacious about tracking down leads and we're doing the same thing. you know, our latest -- our latest evidence, things we've gathered, the state police believe that it's credible that sweat is in that perimeter area. doesn't mean we put our eggs all in one basket. we're tracking leads throughout the county. those have come in probably in a higher frequency today than they ever have.
those are all being tracked down. we're maintaining this perimeter. if we get a lead that takes us someplace else, this will shift to that area. >> reporter: i just want to add one thing to what the sheriff said, judge. you know, last week when they found the evidence of these two guys in that one cabin, there was a lot of speculation that perhaps they would have moved on even northwest to canada, but as we know, matt was found just a few miles from where that first cabin was located. so clearly at least he stayed in this area. >> right. >> reporter: you have every other indication that perhaps sweat did the same. >> absolutely. yeah. >> reporter: and, again, judge, just to remind our viewers, both these men were convicted of murder. sweat is the one who killed a sheriffs deputy and then ran over his body. and he's serving a life sentence without parole. so you believe and other law enforcement belief that ve that armed and has nothing to lose at this point. >> if he had the opportunity to arm himself, he did. i'm sure he's been in more cabins than the ones we discovered thus far. >> if i can ask the sheriff.
rick, sheriff, you may not be able to hear me. the .20 gauge shotgun that mad matt had when he was shot. do we know from reported burglaries there are other rifles, shotguns missing that sweat might have? >> no, we haven't had reports of any other missi inin ining fire >> interesting. >> to add to that, judge, the people, corrections officers who were renting or owning or leasing the cabin where one weapon could have been taken, there were so many people using the cabin that they didn't have an accurate inventory of the guns in there, so it's possible other weapons were taken. >> let me ask you another question, guys. if corrections officer s hold oe of those cabbeins have we found out every cabin every corrections officer owns in that area so that can be checked? there's too much connection between corrections officers and these escaped prisoners. >> well, the one thing i can say to that is the prison is one of
the largest employers in this region so, you know, you do have 1,400, i believe, at least corrections officers that work at dannemora. >> those are leads that are definitely being tracked down, judge, they may or may not bring us to a separate place in this investigation. >> all right. and sheriff, what -- how do you feel about the fact that if this guy, sweat, is apprehended alive, but if god forbid he ends up shooting a law enforcement officer in the takedown, however it goes, that sweat faces absolutely no additional punishment if he commits further crimes? no further punishment for the escape. no further punishment if he kills someone else. how do you feel about that? >> i think it's awful. i think it's terrible. you know, law enforcement, we're out here risking our lives every day. this is more risky than just a routine day. and this is an individual we know is dangerous. he's broken out of a maximum security prison. there's a good possibility he's armed. >> yep. >> and like you say, if he
hurts -- whether it's law enforcement or a civilian, he's not going to face any further penalty. >> yep. that's a shame. i couldn't agree with you more. rick and sheriff, thanks so much. and we're going to check in -- >> my pleasure. >> with me now, the deputy assistant director of the department of homeland security and the former assistant director of the u.s. marshals service, arthur roderick. good evening, arthur. >> good evening, judge. >> do you believe, as the sheriff seems to suggest, that matt and sweat were together at the time that matt was shot, or do you think they had split up at that point? >> judge, that's a very good question. i think at this point, you have to make the assumption that they were together. now, obviously the last confirmed sighting of sweat was in that cabin a couple weeks ago in dannemora. >> right. >> but having surrounded and taken care of matt, i think the assumption you have to use the assumption that, hey, they were probably still together and that
we have to cordon off this area and do a complete search of the whole area. now, i think the other interesting fact, judge, is that, is that both these sightings have occurred on weekends. so people are starting to come up and open up their cabins. they're coming up for the holiday season. we have a short week this week. and hopefully we can catch this guy by wednesday because i think thursday more people are going to come up -- >> without a doubt. >> -- and find their cabins broken into. >> without a doubt. now that sweat is clearly on his own, what disadvantages are there to his not having a partner? >> i think that's a huge disadvantage. he's on his own. they can't do shifts to stay awake. and basically bolster each other psychologically and physically. he's by himself. obviously under an immense amount of stress. it's been over three weeks now. and he's at a huge disadvantage. usually when these inmates escape together and they split and we catch one, the capture on the other one is not that far
behind. >> well, you know, that's assuming that they were in the same vicinity at the time which we still don't know about. but, you know, given the fact that matt's dna was all over the second cabin in malone, why wasn't sweat's if they were together? >> that's a good question. and, i mean, you could make the assumption that they probably were not together. and, but i think having the shootout there in that area, you have to cover all contingencies -- >> sure. >> -- and the sheriff is correct, you've got to cordon off that area and do a complete search, and it sounds like they've whittled that area down pretty well over the past 24 hours. >> tell us about the perimeter that's been set up. it's my understanding that you got some sharp shooters on the hard perimeter and, you know, the outlying perimeter is a little different. tell me about that. >> yeah. generally what they'll do is set up an outer perimeter usually with regular law enforcement
officers. you know, corrections officers in uniform, and then the inner perimeter, the ones that are doing the hard search, will be your u.s. marshal special operations group, fbi, hrt, new york s.w.a.t., the border patrol units that are all heavily armed, tactical, heavily armored and also probably have night vision, night vision goggles. >> sure. all right. tell me about a .20 gauge shotgun that, you know, that we've heard that matt was holding and the tohe took from first cabin. tell us about that. >> yeah, a .20 gauge shotgun obviously can do some damage. any firearm can. there's more of a skete gun or bird gun. if i had a preference, and i'm in a situation like this, the first thing i would want to is pull a .12 gauge shotgun. that's what law enforcement uses in a lot of close-in type scenarios president they do in home entries when they're executing search warrants. they'll use a .12 gauge shotgun.
>> what about the fact he shot this .20 gauge at the camper that was being pulled by a trailer? i mean, what did he expect to accomplish with that? >> i know they've called it an attempted carjacking. could have very well been. i think that comes right just down to the desperation that he was in at that point in time. i think he realized he had to get out of that area. law enforcement was getting close, and basically when he fired that shot, that was the beginning of the end for him. >> all right, arthur. thanks so much for being with us. >> thanks, judge. all right. now, it's easy to blame a couple of prison guards for this escape, but is there a deeper systemic problem at this so-called maximum security prison? my next guest was a deputy inspector general for the new york state department of corrections including this very prison. patrick dunleavy joins us now. good evening, patrick. the arrest of joyce mitchell came at a time when she was openly speaking to police. was she arrested too soon?
>> i don't think so. i think at that particular point, the authorities knew that they had to take her into custody. that if they'd had left her out in that community area, something else might have happened. >> well, what about the fact that, you know, you've got these two prison guards, okay, palmer and joyce mitchell. they're both arrests. but they assisted the escapees. as someone who has investigated prison breaks as you have, is ther bigger problem at this so-called maximum security prison? >> well, yeah. clearly there is more than just the two weak links in the chain that we're looking at. those particular inmates were more than just murderers in prison. they were designated as central monitoring cases requiring special oversight by this -- >> you say special oversight, do you mean in addition to being murderers as a maximum security prison that there are certain
conditions that are even more severe as it relates to them because of who they are? >> yeah. they'red badde esdes esdest of >> all right. now, last week the deparent of corrections told us when we asked them, why are these two dirt bags in the honor program? they said the reason that matt and sweat were in the honor program was i think we have a full screen on this. guys? okay. was that, you know, they hadn't committed any real serious problems. and thenn they follow up with, you know, an inmate has been in custody and has existed satisfactory behaviors eligible for the program. and then when they put it in writing they say, "due to the ongoing investigation we're not going to talk about it. "what do you say about that? >> i say that oftentimes prison administrators can mistake an individual being jail wise with being a good management inmate. and they could have been cons.
>> okay. why would these two inmates satisfy that additional criteria that you referred to as the, what is it, central monitoring case? >> central monitoring cases. well, the central monitoring case inmates have to be designated that because of the type of crime or the sophistication of the crime they committed. for instance, if an inmate or if an individual not only murdered somebody but happened to cut up the body, that would be a heinous crime. if an individual happened to shoot somebody not only 20 times but then run over their body, that would be a central monitoring case. if an individual escaped from prior custody, that individual would be a central monitoring cases. both sweat and matt meet that criteria. >> all right. so they shouldn't have been in the honors program to begin with? >> well, they should have been closely scrutinized by a special unit within central office in albany that runs under the office of special investigations that should have been looking at
everything that went on including the allegation. >> all right. the allegation of the sexual relationship between joyce mitchell and i don't care if it was matt or sweat or both of them. once the complaint was made, even though it wasn't proven, how do you prove it? do you have to have a video? shouldn't one of them have been moved out of this honor program? >> absolutely. that's the entire purpose of the central monitoring cases because the administrator, the chief of investigations, because with the stroke of a pen can say, you know what, as a precaution, we're going to move one or both of these inmates because we have this allegation of impropriety. >> all right. so what we've got are these two guys who not only are allegedly having this affair, but, you know, they're getting all of these corrections officers to do favors for them. they get behind the catwalk behind their cell and under the guise of, you know, we can fix the wiring for you corrections officers. what's that about? >> again, there's a book out
that every corrections personnel goes through the academy reads, it's called "the games that criminals play." it tells them how the cons con you by simple things like that. i have a problem with my electricity. i can call it, don't fix the maintenance department, here just let me into the catwalk. oh, by the way would you like a cup of coffee while you're waiting? that's the game. >> since when do these guys get a hot plate and hamburger meat delivered so they can cook it in their cell? when i was in college in my dorm i couldn't have a hot plate and certainly couldn't cook a hamburger. >> we did an investigation in attica correctional facility. we found an inmate there had a dutch oven in his cell. he was making cakes for the correction officer every day. >> all right, patrick dunleavy, thanks so much for your insight. no question, there's going to be a lot of questions here, a lot of problems that that so-called maximum security prison. thanks. >> all right. thank you, judge. all right. and coming up, more breaking news on the massive manhunt
back at the timeline of how we got here. bombshell developments in the case that has captivated the nation. escaped murderer richard matt is dead. shot and killed friday by law enforcement authorities, but fugitive david sweat is still on the loose. it has been more than three weeks since the two convicted killers, sweat and matt, escaped from the upstate dannemora, new york, maximum security clinton correctional facility. it all began friday, june 5th, 10:30 p.m. the prisoners last seen at a standing head count. saturday, 5:30 a.m., no sign of them. vanished from their cells. dummies in their beds. topped with their own hair. four hours later, a frantic manhunt under way when new york state police issue an alert. this was no ordinary prison break. sweat and matt had inside help.
prison seamstress joyce mitchell romantically linked to both prisoners is arrested accused of planting tools in frozen hamburger meat for the convicts. corrections officer gene palmer also arrested for giving the hamburger meat for the prisoners. he claims he did not know what was in it. june 22nd, owlshead, new york, approximately 20 miles from the prison, about a mile and a half into the woods, an owner approaching his cabin sees someone move. police find dna from both inmates in that burglarized cabin concluding the two were traveling together. and at least one shotgun is taken. june 24th, a second cabin in malone, eight to nine miles north of the first cabin, is burglarized. dna of escapee, matt, was found, but there was no dna belonging to sweat. june 26th.
police receive a tip that a bullet hit a camper in that same town of malone. cops rush to the area, recognize the smell of gun powder. they hear a call from the woods, see matt armed with a .20 gauge shotgun, and when he refuses to comply with their demands, he is shot dead in a hail of gunfire. police continue the search for 35-year-old sweat, convicted in the 2002 brutal killing of a sheriffs deputy. serving life without parole. >> we have no actual sighting of sweat by law enforcement, but we have no indication that sweat wasn't accompanying matt at the time that he was shot and killed, so woe're going to maintain the perimeter that we have. >> with me now, michael, a former inmate at the clinton correctional facility. you were there how many years? >> i was in clinton for three years. >> all right. before that? >> no, after that. after that i was in other
facilities. >> but you spent about 17 years in? all right. explain to me how common is sexual activity between recollections officers or prison employees and inmates? >> it's mostly the noncorrectional -- the civilians they call them. counselors and people in the food, you know, in the mess hall. you know -- >> kitchen people. yeah. all right. is it common? >> it's so common that i can't believe this hasn't happened before. i mean, they will get fake callouts to go to counselors, whatever meeting that isn't real, then they'll have sex and come to the yard and brag to all the inmates and everybody knows what's going on. it's no secret. >> all right, so if a prison employee is having sex with an inmate, the inmates go back and brag about it and everybody in the prison knows about it? >> right. >> so if joyce mitchell were having sex with sweat and matt, it wouldn't be a secret. >> it would not be a secret. >> all right. were you iever in the honors
block? >> yes. >> in the honors block were you allowed to have a hot plate and bring you hamburger meat? >> they don't get it. you order it. the way they did it seems against the rules. you have to order it from an outside vendor, an approved vendor like omaha beef or something like that. >> then it shows up. okay. let me ask you this. there's a standing count at 10:30 p.m. >> uh-huh. >> after that standing count where everybody's supposed to be in his cell, at this maximum security prison, how often during in the night will they check the inmates? >> sometimes they never check. >> are they supposed to check? >> of course, they are. i can't -- i don't know exactly how often. i think it's once an hour or something like that. >> really? >> it depends on the -- if it's a super max it's supposed to be once every is15 minutes. >> forget super max. it's a maximum security prison. >> that's bad enough. sometimes they don't check at all. >> not checking from 10:30 to 5:00, right off the bat there's a problem there. >> it is. everybody's in their cells. 100 years and this doesn't
happen. they kind of get complacent and figure nothing's going to happen, they're all locked in. >> what is the allure? apparently matt's paintings. he wanted to paint and gave them to palmer and joyce mitchell. why did this value this stuff so much? >> i haven't seen it. is it any good? i don't know. >> is it any good? i don't know. should they be taking gifts from inmates? >> their do. i can't think of any rule that says they're not supposed to. i'm sure there is. >> let's talk about the catwalk behind the cell. >> uh-huh. >> in the honor block, do inmates, were they allowed to go in the catwalk? >> again, they're not supposed to go. there are certain inmates if you're allowed to go, if you're part of the tech crew, you're part to go. >> matt and sweat weren't reported part of the tech crew. >> you're not supposed to but it happens. it's one of those rules that is there but don't really uphold it because sometimes they need them. sometimes they have more knowledge about fixing something than their own tech you so they let the inmates go back and do
it, you know? >> all right. what do you think is going to happen now with -- it seems all these rules are being violated. you got a corrections officer going out and buying paint for an inmate so he can paint something. >> i have to tell you, it happened to me several times. >> what, what have they brought you? >> paint. because i was an artist. i painted in prison. >> what did you give them? >> i painted this. >> very nice. what did you give them? >> what they wanted from me, they wanted me to paint murals near their bubble. sometimes it was logos of their favorite hockey team or, you know -- i know it sounds crazy, but that's what they want, you know? >> all right. >> sometimes it's their pet dog. they want a large -- >> you hear so much about corrections officers, you know, they're tough and you wouldn't dare look cross at them. now we've got corrections officers buying stuff for the inmates. murderers. >> you know, it's -- the correctional officers want to have a safe environment to walk around in. they want to not have to fear somebody's going to stab them in the back or whatever. they want to be able to walk through the yard and not look over their shoulders.
they wont to fraternize, be friendly with the inmates. >> so they violate the department of correction rules and all of the requirements. and that's the problem. >> it is a problem, but it's also a problem that they need to do it because they kind of do need to do it in order to have that kind of rapport with the inmates. >> wow. >> they don't want a situation where they're walking around afraid for their life. >> i'm not sure for maximum security prison -- >> maybe they need more officers then. that's the problem. they can't -- >> michael, thanks so much for being with us. again. and coming up, escaped murderer david sweat still on the loose, but for how long? we're going to ask a survivalist, next. h"justice wi
swrrks jeanine." breaking news. a manhunt continues tonight for vicious killer david sweat. joining me now by phone is bill ekhart, crime reporter at the watertown daily times. bill? >> judge, how are you? >> i'm fine. what's the latest up there? >> well, they still have the perimeter with the 22-mile
perimeter. they closed off fayette road, route 30 from fayette road to county route 26. and studley hill road. the same parameter within where they captured and killed matt. lest they said they have no reason to believe that matt -- that sweat is not within that perimeter. but they haven't found any new evidence linking him to that area or outside that area. so they're still keeping a close eye on that area right now. >> yes, it's a 50/50. bill, let manyme ask you this. they're so close to the canadian border. last week the new york state police said they believe they'd be headed to canada. why haven't they crossed into canada? >> well, the intelligence is they -- it was really one of those opportunities where they say they don't know if they're still together. they really had no evidence to link them there. they just said they believed they were possibly heading in
that direction. >> right. >> and now having found matt here, they have, again, no reason to believe that sweat wasn't with him, so they're concentrating in this area right now. they did have people out there right before they shot matt. they did have people just north of malone, just by the canadian border. and they started doing a sweep downward. so they did have a belief that they were up and heading in that direction. >> well, i tell you, bill, that would make the most sense to me given the poorest nature of it and you have tribal areas. i've been up there quite a bill. anyway, bill eckhart, thanks for being with us this evening. with me now, retired marshal, and survivalist, shane hobelt. all right, john, are sweat's odds better or worse now that he's on his own? >> definitely worse, judge. the odds are in law enforcement's favor at this point. you got -- there's two significant game changers this past week. the first cabin that was found
last week, okay, with the dna from both subjects, then fast forward to yesterday. the developments yesterday. these all indications are both of these subjects were much like many of these escapes, they're interdependent upon one another. that fell apart yesterday. even though it hasn't been confirmed the two of them were together yesterday, we have to go with the hand we were dealt. >> and -- go ahead. >> so i think the odds -- i think ever since this getaway car did not show up on that night, these guys improvised plan "b" which was no plan at all. >> interesting, in the beginning we thought they were more sophisticated. isn't it even more -- law enforcement has an even greater appetite to get this guy seeing he's the guy who shot a deputy sheriff 17 times? he wasn't dead. then he ran over him. i think it was many times. then ran over him with his own car? but anyway, a shame. what physical condition is sweat in now? >> well, clearly, you know, he's exhausted. he's dehydrated.
he's probably malnourished. the pace and the tempo these guys have been keeping, who knows who kind of sleep they actually have had. who knows the actual time or travel that they've been moving through, the topography, itself, the exposure to the elements. >> what's interesting is in three weeks they're still -- if they were together, within the 30-mile radius. that's not a lot of movement. >> no, that's right. you know, when you look at a through hiker, you know, on the appalachian trail, for example, on the average, and they're carried a lot of gear, you're looking at maybe 8 to 10, maybe 15 miles for the day for the expert and going into 20. so these guys are not experts. they're not survivalists. they're hanging around those cabins because they simply do not know what to do out there. that's their umbilical cord. that's what they need. that's where they're getting their supplies. >> let me ask you this, john. you've been involved in chasing these guys down. what are they eating? how are they living? >> well, it appears, judge, they've been just breaking into cabins and eating off the land, whatever's out there. possibly they prepared a goody
bag, you know, maybe some canned goods out of the pantry of one of these cabins. all that's going away. >> yesterday they found wrappers. >> yeah. candy wrappers. >> that's right. they're not experts. they don't know their edibles and medicinals. it's quiet to open up a can of soup with a can opener. they're not making a fire, boiling their water. >> they could be very ill. dysentery possible in situations like this? >> when is last time they cleaned themselves in terms of hygiene? who knows what's in the water sources they're coming across, just drinking out of a stream. >> john, what is the advantage of bringing sweat in alive? >> the only advantage of bringing him in alive would be to, obviously to -- all the goings on at the prison there. there's a lot of unanswered questions for this escape. for example, getting back to the pipe. even the exit in the pipe. we have questions about this. 5'11" individuals going in a 24-inch pipe. who cut that? i mean, in other words, did they
cut it? it's one thing to cut it from the inside of the prison wall. >> how did they know where? >> where to come out. now, experts on saw blades could tell withdrew you if the pipe w from the outside in or inside out. that's a significant game changer. possibly another staff member might be involved. sweat can certainly cue in law enforcement on the goings on. >> well, my guess is that heads are going to roll as well they should given what i've been hearing and what we now know. but shane, mentally, what is going on with sweat now? assuming that he's not eating, you know, his proteins, carbs and all that other stuff and his partner's dead, if he knows it. what is his mental condition? >> you know what, judge, it's a great question because when you're dealing with a standard survival situation, you want to be found. you want to make your shelter, take the time, get warm and start making all those prudent decisions. in this case, it's a completely different side of survival. it's an absolute desperate
place. he's not thinking about the prudent steps of survival. whatever is driving him at this point and keeping him a little bit ahead of the game, maybe he's aware that his partner has been shot and killed and that at this point there's no gray area. >> and so is the likelihood of his being taken alive? >> i hope it happens that way for the sake of an investigation. >> what's going on in his head? >> i think that at this point he might just go out in a hail of bullets. >> and to ydo you think that's he wants? >> it's in his hands how he wants this to end. also, another thing to think of, judge, when he goes back to the frizz he prison he's not go to be well received. >> the shame is he faces no additional time for any of this. john, shane, thanks so much for being with us. coming up, horrific terror attacks around the world. while a new warning here at home centers around the upcoming july 4th weekend. the breaking details are next.
breaking tonight. new fears after a series of brutal terror attacks around the world. a man beheaded in france. dozens gunned down on a beach in tunisia. and a suicide attack on a mosque in kuwait. this as authorities warn of possible terrorist threats here in america. around the fourth of july holiday. joining me now is congressman lee zeldin of foreign affairs committee. what can you tell us about this possible july 4th weekend threat? >> isis is calling for calamity for the infidels. they are urging martyrdom during ramadan with the violence that we've seen around the world in the last few days, it's clear that radical islamic extremism is still on the rise and have to do more about it. the lone wolf attacks that isis is calling for, they're growing for many reasons. one of which is they're simpler to plan and execute. >> the idea of this happening on
three continents, three different continents at about the same time. it's during -- it's during ramadan. i mean, you've got people at a beach and this killer comes in with an umbrella and puts his, you know, ak-47, whatever it was in the umbrella. what do you tell americans who are going to beaches on the 4th of july weekend? >> well, there's a real threat to be vigilant for. i mean, we could tell americans that everything is okay and nothing's going to happen. the fact is there is a very real threat. the good news is that a lot of these threats have been foiled. there was the two queens women who recently had the propane tanks in their apartment, had every intention of detonating pressure cooker bombs. these were united states citizens, self-radicalized. consider themselves to be citizens of the islamic state. what do we tell americans? the truth is that there's more of a threat still out there against the homeland. >> well, and, you know, with jim comey, the head of the fbi, you know, talking about the fact that, you know, it's in every
state, the concern now is that with this movement throughout the west, that as you say, the lone wolves would be the ones that actually commit this stuff, these kinds of crimes. but tie that into the iran nuclear talks. we've got iran saying we're not going to do anything, we're not going to let you inspect. we're not going to stop research and development. we're not going to do anything. you can't have access to our sites. and we keep conceding conditions and they want the sanctions lifted all at one time. so for $50 billion, we prove that we're idiots. what is going on? >> well, for one, for whatever reason the president's terrible negotiating strategy, like to make the texas hold em analogy, being the president of the united states you inherit pocket aces every time you sit at the table. iran, they inherit the worst hand you could have in poker. the president as a negotiating style will switch hands with the iranians. he makes concessions in good faith. he doesn't understand our
enemies do not respect weakness. they only respect strength. so it's a combination of some people believe that he knows exactly what he's doing. maybe it's a little bit of that, but he's also a terrible negotiator and we can't keep looking at all these challenges in the middle east as if they're all over there and none of them will follow us back home. >> you know, it seems that france now is being the tough guy. france is now starting to draw the red line saying, you know, we don't want to give up these concessions all the way. we want to make sure that we have what we initially agreed to which is now totally different from what is now being said. >> the world needs america to lead. when america doesn't lead, a vacuum is created. we're seeing it in iran, we're seeing it in iraq. iraq, we're relying on iraqi military law enforcement to finish the job. we can't rely on them to finish a job. it's not going to happen. the president is urging us, digging somewhere for pa is tals wrong with the president's
foreign policy, you know, iraqi military law enforcement, they draw up the weapons, master the military art of retreat. that's how you earn a combat medal for valor. >> it's so i don't know congressman, what do you think is going to happen? >> i think we need to look at our special operations capabilities. we have army rangers, navy seals. they can put led between the eyes of those sobs better than anyone on the planet. >> all right. thanks so much for being with us. have a happy fourth. coming up, breaking details on the man hunt for murder of david sweat. stay with us.
state police tactical officers in heavy gear, military style gear in what appeared to be night vision goggles looking over some maps prepared to take on another aspect of this search. they need those rifles because they believe this convict, this escaped killer may be armed. we know that richard matt was carrying a shotgun when he was found in the woods a few miles here and shot and killed by a custom border patrol agent when he refused to comply with their or orders. there was more evidence recovered earlier this week but they haven't been able to link that yet to sweat. they are not sure the two are together when matt was killed yesterday but they believed that sweat is still contained in a
2200 area mile area. they shrank that from 25 to 22 miles and hopeful they will find him soon. >> what's the weather like now? >> reporter: well, it's clear. we're told that heavy rain is coming later tonight or very early tomorrow morning. they tell us it is pour over the next three days. >> that's it for us tonight. thanks for joining us. see you in two weeks. have a great 4th. oh no. who are you? daddy, this is blair, he booked this room with priceline express deals and saved a ton. i got everything i wanted..... i always do. he seemed nice.
but some are spraying it with nontoxic paint. >> and fox urgent. we begin with 1200 you law enforcement officials sweeping the wooded area in upper state new york. i am julie banderas. this is the fox report. helicopters and search dogs are part of an intense search just 30 miles away from the maximum security prison. a tip led officials to woods to a cabin where they had a confrontation with richard matt on friday. he failed to comply with orders. but convicted murderer david sweat remains on the loose. they can't confirm whether he