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island basement. it is very fun and if we play it i will beat you. that is all. the stock market, not so bad today. neil cavuto is coming right up and you'll have nikki haley the governor of south carolina, live seconds from now. >> all right. after half a century some history in the making, south carolina governor nikki healey about to bring down the confederate flag with the stroke of a pen. the governor set to sign the bill any moment. jonathan surrey is outside of the state house. >> reporter: the governor has declared quote it is a new day in south carolina. the governor expected to sign a bill momentarily authorizing the removal of the confederate battle flag from the state house ground here in columny, south carolina. in a ceremony tomorrow the flag
will be lowered and placed on permanent display testify state's confederate relic room and military museum. for decades it was considered political suicide to even attempt to re've the confederate flag. at that changed last month when nine people died in a shooting at a historic black church in charleston. an avowed white -- when the debate on the bill dragged into the night jenny horne made this tearful plea. listen. >> i am a descendent of jefferson davis okay? but that does not matter. it is not about jenny horne. it's about the people of south carolina who have demanded that this symbol of hate come off the state house grounds. >> shortly after 1:00 this
morning, the south carolina state house passed the bill with no amendments, no amendments to the senate version and that was crucial because it meant the bill would go directly to the desk of for nikki haley. had any changes been made it would demand a conference committee, and lawmakerred say that process could have dragged on for weeks. >> i want to bring bishop jackson into this. bishop, how do you feel? >> it's a good thing neil. i think on balance it shouldn't fly on state property. but what concerns me is that symbolism gets mistaken for substance. not going to help one black child are get a better education, not going to help one black child stay alive amidst the violence and gang warfare and drug dealing in the inner city. it's not going to help one black person get a job because, as you know up employment is twice for
black people in our country twice what it is on average for whites. so let's just not mistake symbolism for substance. good symbol. great thing on balance, but not going to change the lives of black people in america. >> bishop, when i look at the vote it was 94-20 in the house to remove to the flag. it was 36-3 in the senate. three senators not showing up. and some of them -- everyone deems critics named racist, they argued about this is about the south and the heritage and the -- i guess the period of the south. and it's not about racism. what did you make of that? >> i think for many people that's true. i think i've said the last time i was on your program that i know people who like the confederate flag, symbol of their history some of the most decent honorable people i've ever met and they don't have a
racist bone in their body but it clearly is for some a symbol of hate and clearly sends a chill down the spines of most black folks in america. it's not a symbol of unity in our country that's for sure. but i don't think for everybody who flies it, it means hatred of black people. >> i misstated. i was searching for the word. they said it was their heritage and has no to do with slavery or racism. you say it has become a stigma expects they stigma best left in the past. >> and it's one thing to say look in my own heart i don't see it that way. i don't see the flag as a symbol of hatred. done represent that for me. but it's not intellectually honest to suggest you can completely separate it from the history of slavery and the civil war and jim crow and all of that. so, i think we need symbols of unity. i love our american flag. let's fly that and let's come together as one nation under
god. >> what did you think of the push on the part of any retailer on the planet, started with even -- ebay and then walmart and amazon. anyone selling confederate flag paraphernalia -- looking at a live shot -- this is tape, i -- but that will good down today once she signs this. that anything having to do with this was just taken off even the dukes of hazzard taken off of tv. overkill or justified. >> it's overkill. it's mob mentality. i watched the duke of hazard sadr, thought it was a great show. we didn't look at the confederate flag and think i can't watch that. it was a fun show. you get mob mentality and reaction sometimes in these things and we shouldn't mistake this as hero jim on the property of those who are suddenly very sensitive to selling the confederate flag. we should see it as a herd
mindset in which everybody else is doing it. i'm not patting people on the back. >> what triggeredded this is the awful shooting in charleston, without that we might not have seen this. right. >> we wouldn't have. it's interesting how something that was a very evil, horrible act, -- and this is grace to me -- it's now being turn to something that maybe will bring healing and unity and i think that's something we can all applaud. >> do you also get a feeling right now bishop, that this maybe even changes the tone in the state? there are lot of businesses and all that -- and conventions that were not eager to do business with anyone flying that flag, and that this was as much an economic decision as it was an emotional human one. >> i think for businesses it was primarily economic. i get the feeling dish. >> very sin:for a by- -- sin:for a bishop. go ahead.
>> they don't want bad p. r., and people saying, they still sell the confederate flag. so they did what good business people do, they made an economic decision because if their hearts were really broken by what they considered the racism and the horrible symbolism of the flag, they would have gotten rid of it's long time ago. >> that's a very good point. bishop, guess the governor -- we're waiting for the for -- the nag would then go down tomorrow, i said today. i believe. but that individuals are still free to fly a confederate flag on their yard and no one will fine them or arrest them. how will that good down and how would you as a prominent african-american, a bishop, feel about that? >> i believe in the first amendment. i love the constitution. i'm a marine corps veteran. i took an oath to the constitution. i celebrate people's right to exercise their first amendment
freedoms. i may not agree with you but that's what makes us america. so as far as i'm concerned you like that flag you want to fly it off your porch fly it on your car as long as you're not hurting people, not engaged in racist violence against people, have at it. be my fest. won't bother me at all. i know it will bother some people but it's the nature of freedom you don't have a right not to be offended. >> do you ever get a feeling when you look at other states and towns that have a confederate flag, they're disappearing -- without any of the legislative stuff we're going through here -- that it will be a relic just something you-cam in museums? >> it probably will in time. history has a way of fading. we have people who don't even know who the founding fathers are in our country right now. >> you're right. >> i don't doubt people will forget what the confederate flag was.
probably remember it is a symbol of a very dark time in our country. my wife and i have visited the museum in richmond, and we found it very informative. we just think that's part of american history and we all ought to know it and appreciate it we're better off for it. >> you're not only a good guest you're a good man. >> thank you. >> i want to go back outside the building where this is happening. jonathan nikki haley makes announcements, going to the desk and signs is but formally goes down tomorrow? help me. >> reporter: yes. it formally goes down tomorrow. the bill stipulated that the flag has to do down within 24 hours of the governor signing it. the reason why it's not going down immediately is that the state wants to go about this very deliberately. they want to have an actual
ceremony to commemorate the flag to lower it in a dignified manner and to treat it with respect as it's removed from the property and taken to a state-run museum to be placed on permanent display there and state officials are obviously hoping this will appease some of the flag supporters who did not want to see this flag go. but they of they all say anywhere doing this because it is the right thing to do. this is south carolina. people are very polite and like to follow traditions and do things the right way. >> it's interesting the governor's already indicated this will then move on to a museum. people can catch it there. but she said she would not punish or fine or nor would there be anything that would be -- detrimental to those who want to fly the flag in their private home or community. how will that go down and what
are you hearing how many residents want to do that? >> reporter: this bill has nothing too do with what people do on their private property. it's narrowly worded and only, it pacts what flags can be flown on the property here in the south carolina state house in columbia i will imagine that this bill will have very little impact on what people do in front of their homes. people who -- south carolinians who are uncomfortable by the confederate flag will continue to fly the american flag and the south carolina state flag, which in my humble opinion is one of the most beautiful state flags. it has the palmetto and the crescent on it. a lot of people proudly fly that in front of their homes and those people who are disappointed see the confederate flag go down from the state capitol will continue to fly that confederate flag, that confederate battle flag in front of their homes in south
carolina. sound like there's some developments going on. >> exactly. nikki haley now speaking to the press. >> again, i'm not going try to see if all the cameras are ready. look at everybody around us. that's the first thing i want you to take in just look at this shot. can you hear me on the mic? press guys? are we good? one, two throw. one, two three. we good? can the tv guys hear? >> yes. >> all right. i well yell as loud as i can. so you know it's hard for us to look at what is happening today and not think back to 22 days ago. it seems like so long ago.
because the grieving has been so hard. but at the same time we have all been struck by what was a tragedy that we didn't think we would ever encounter. nine amazing people that professor changed south carolina's history. having said that i have to acknowledge the series of event that took place through all of this, because it is the true story of south carolina. the actions that took place are what will go down in the history books. nine people took in someone that did not look like them or act like them. and with true love, and true faith, and true acceptance, they sat and prayed with him for an hour. that love and faith was so
strong that it brought grace to their families. it showed them how to forgive. so then we saw the action of forgiveness. we saw the families show the world what true forgiveness and grace looks like. that forgiveness and address set off another act an act of compassion but people all across south carolina and all across this country. they stopped looking at each other's differences and started looking at each other's similarities because we were all experiencing the same pain. so then you take that compassion and that compassion motivated action. that compassion motivated people wanting to do something about it. so the action was taken by the general assembly, and what we
saw in that swift action, by both the house and senate, was we saw members start to see what it was like to be in each other's shoes. start to see what it felt like. we heard about the true honor of heritage and tradition. we heard about the true pain that many have felt. and we took the time to understand it. i saw passions get high. i saw passions get low. but i saw commitment never ending. and so what we saw was another action and that action is that the confederate flag is coming off the grounds of the south carolina state house. [applause]
so tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. we'll see the confederate flag come down. we are a state that believes in tradition. we're a state that believes in history. we're a state that believes in respect. so we will bring it down with dignity, and we will make shirt is put in its rightful place but this is a story about action. this is a story about the history of south carolina. and how the action of nine individuals laid out this long chain of events that forever showed the state of south carolina what love and forgiveness looks like. and i will tell you that now this is about our children, because when they go back and look in the history books while we're still grieving, and the grieving is going to last for a long time, when the emotions start to fade, the history of the action that took place by everyone in south carolina, to
get to us this moment, is one that we can all be proud of. so, 22 days ago i didn't know that i would ever be able to say this again but today i am very proud to say that it is a great day in south carolina. [cheers and applause] >> so, with that, we don't want to wait any longer. we're know going to sign the bill. >> i want to say it is with great pride i am surrounded by members of the family. i want to thank them for taking the time to come. i'm also surrounded by former
with that i am proud to say the bill has been signed. i do want to also acknowledge these nine pens are going to each of the nine families of the emanuel nine. [applause] may we never forget the actions that those people took to get us to this point today. and then i've got a couple of other pens. many people have talked about
the courage that took place by so many across this state. but one person started this almost two decades ago. and that was governor david bessly and the last time saw him, he said, i need you to finish this. [applause] >> and the second one was someone who also understands what this can feel like, what the tensions can feel like, what it means to do something. he worked very hard and is the person that brought the confederate flag off the dome, and i want to thank you for all that you have done in terms of support and all you have den to lead south carolina in the past. >> thank you governor. [applause] >> these two are for me, so with that i will tell you, thank you
very much. thank you for making it another great day in south carolina. we are now looking forward to the future and the future of our children. thank you very much. [cheers and applause] >> governor nikki haley making a bit of history here, something that would have seem unthinkable two weeks ago. she signed something that was called the confederate flag removal bill, it removes from the state capitol. it was place thread 50 years ago. it dates black to the civil war. governor haley saying, along the democrat and republican sentiment, the time has come and gone for that, signing with that nine pens for the nine families of the victims of that church attack two weeks back. the governor indicating that the time for this has come and gone, and that flag will go down at
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the end of the day it was calm. we had been up more, up 33 opinion. the bigger story is we did -- without any disrunnings. this after the new york stock exchange experienced a very unusual four-hour trading delay. you couldn't trade stocks or buy stocks on the normal new york stock exchange itself. the reality was panel could trade on other exchanges that were available and exchanges
that all rubbed it in the face of the new york stock exchange. it was that truth that maybe the bigboard is the big relic of the pass. it's hard to say but we got through it. that's reminding folks that maybe the way review trading today has completely changed. there will no such glitches or computer and a and a half fews -- snafus. we're told this was a software itch, they just installed new software, and the software had glitches way. they did that in the middle of a busy trading week is anyone's guess. the fact it occurred own the same united airlines flights were grounded because of commuter glitches and computer glitches in china coincidence. now, on to this other development. a new leader of al qaeda in
yemen calling for attacks on the united states to avenge the killing of a lead. he is quoted as saying alloff you must direct and gather your errors and -- arrows and swords against it, meaning us. we have former pentagon spokesman j.d. gordon with us. good to have both of you. what do you make of the latest threat? because it is scaring the devil oust a lot of folks. seems to be quite targeted, quite clear and not just chatter. >> i'm not surprised. al qaeda called for attacks on this country before 9/11 and we didn't connect the dots. this particular branch of al qaeda in yemen out clothe hi has hatt had strong can -- contacts in the ute. the former head of al qaeda in
yemen, anwar al-awlaki was an imam as a mosque outside of washington, dc. and asan and three of the 9/11 highjackers went. when you combine that with the fact the fbi director says he has open files right now in all 50 states of america locking at people with connections potential connection dozen isis. this is serious stuff. >> j.d., how do you think from your old pentagon perch our defense establishment is responding to this? >> well, i think they're doing the best they can grinch the political leadership, but president obama is working on the wrong problem and is not acknowledging the obvious and that is radical islamists. we have been attacked since then 1970s and every president has been put in this situation where they have to react. so i think the military could be doing a lot more but that's going to require changing the white house. we need new leadership. >> comes at the same time we're gifting reports of maybe 22.5 million americans' records
were compromised bigger than we thought before. all these weird events with either electronic disruptions or outages, the new york stock exchange. you can think about all this and get worried. it's easy to get paranoid and just say, all right coincidences are one thing. this many is another thing. and even if nothing nefarious is going on, if you're a bad guy you can say wow, the americans can get disrupted easily. >> i'm not a believer in coincidence. i hope it was glitch but it can take a while to determine if it was glitch or. no we're dealing with a sophisticated and savvy enemy and the know how to make cyberattacks look like glitches. jadey jon has a degree with honors in computer programming. >> very true. >> and"kip opm the chinese attack on opm our government announced that last month and detected it
in april. it occurred last december. >> forgot about that. it goods worse and worse. here j.d., i go back to you ask this way we get information shared with us. it's well after the fact. so that makes me think -- i'm not as smart as you guys -- what going on now i don't know. >> well, neil issue think you're absolutely right. a lot of times we learn things long after they happen. i don't believe in coincidences either but getting back to central problem, president obama has to show strong leadership for america. you can't just lay down our mayors and say if we're nice to our enemies they will be nice to us. the world doesn't work that way. the president says, defeat ideologies with better ideas. look at what happened with natz eu -- nazis.
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so, greece on the brink of going under right? all bus of this debt stuff. something kevin orr knows a little too well. he was in charge of detroit's finances when the city looked like it was a goner. now, it survived the largest municipal bankruptcy in american history but there are a number of municipalities in similar stress. so it's good to have you. thank you for coming. i'm looking at this and thinking what you went through in detroit, what you had to deal with and what is going on now in greece.
there isn't a big difference here. a lot of unfunded obligations obligations and no money to pay them. >> first of all, thank you for having me. macro level you're right. it's similar. a lot of debt. there are issues regarding collections, operations, the ability to report on a budget, the unfunded pension obligations, bus each situation is different. in fact just a few minutes ago we had let-breaking news that they greek foreign minister did present a proposal to the cb and others, but at least they're trying to move forward. >> they're trying to move forward, kevin but they're a distinction. the greeks want lat of the debt forth given. i am not aware of details in detroit, a lot of debts written off? >> we hat 18 billion debts and we were able to reduce that by 7 billion. most of the debts the largest
portion were unfund pension obligations, unfunded health care obligations and the smallest portion was the bondholders, 2 billion of the 7 billion. the reality is you have to adjust your books so you can pay as you go forward, the income revenue you take in, versus the obligations you have. so we had 18 billion all in. we shed 7 billion restructured our pension obligations -- >> how did that go? experts say that's our biggest unfendded labeled, certainly in new jersey and. is that the real bug aa boo. >> of that $18 billion the single largest portion was health care and pension 3.35 billion. that went exceptionally well.
we had a plan of adjustment for the pensions. 83% of the pensioners voted to adjust their peckses dub their pensions accordingly. on police and fire side it was reducing cost of living, and on the other side, four percent haircut. so when you deal with health care obligations and pensions and you i get buy-in from the affected parties the retiree committees you can make some movement. frankly, their support was greater than i expected. >> i also think -- i'm not blowing you smoke but you were a straight arrow and what you were trying to tell both sides it's a choice between getting maybe less money or no money. less of a pension or no mention. and i thick it was crucial that the mayor had to defer to you on this. you had the power to go ahead and act on your open -- not that you daytona deal with political pressure you did. i'm wondering if we need something like that, someone
like that going forward to deal with this, because left soley in political hands it will never get done. >> you need some stuck tour, -- structure, and thank you for that. we got fortunate in my hum pel opinion, as the former emergency manager, it helped that we had structure. it also helped we had some intersection areas. we had mediators and when you have that structure, there are things you'll tell those people that you won't necessarily tell when you're sitting across the table. so you need architecture to get this done. >> you also need a calm, rational guy. no agenda here. you were that, cool head in a hot-head environment and you got the job done. now i'm looking at greece and puerto rico and even chicago with some dustup there over funding for teachers and the rest this is an epidemic
worldwide. we'll need that. >> i think if people throttle back a little bit on the verbiage and the emotion and practice the zen of negotiations, if you will -- >> i like that. >> say hey look, here their numbers, the math doesn't lie. if you need a -- -- to deal with past wrongs, fine, but in the groce situation, they owed over $325 billion on july 4th. they had a referendum on the 5th, and july 6th they owed over $325 billion. the math doesn't change but the process needs to address the objective truth and move forward, and that's what is really key whether it's greece or anyplace else you have to have honest brokers at the table. >> we have a handful of adults in the country that could handle these problems. i put you in that country. >> you're very kind. there's some folks who say look let's try to get it done. they'll dig in and get it done.
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>> a root more productive, work force participation has to rise from its all-time modern lows. that means that people need to work longer hours and through their productivity gain more income for their families. >> jeb taking a lot of jobs but that's not stopping him from raising a ton of cash. 14 million so far. to katie pavlik, steve murphy, katie, not the money part about you need to work more hours. >> jeb bush says that people need to work longer hours and i have some beside news. it's impossible to work a longer hours. you, work more hours but not longer hours. the point he was making is we need more people in the work force, we have record number of
people in not in the labor force or underemployed. and that's a real problem. we do know that when more people are. tis pating in the work force this government has more money because more people paying taxes, more money available to fund the government. >> well, steve what i heard from him is that -- despite the school mom that was a very school mom description of longer versus more -- despite that you can't get out unless you get out of part-time into more full-time workers, more hours. did you interpret it differently? >> i did interpret it differently. i interpret it as he is blaming the people that have to work for a liveing for the problems we have and they're the last people that should be blamed. he is wrong on the facts here about that issue. we already work longer hours on average than workers in every other -- almost every other --
>> but a lot of people are limited by their hours. they need to work more -- >> as an entire work force we work longer now and our productivity is at the upper enas well. the problem with our economy is the demand isn't there to fill up the capacity for the economy because the pay raises aren't there. >> katie you were referring to the fact people are unable to work full time because of healthcare relatees requirements to deliberately force that down. >> obamacare has been a huge hit to people's hours because they count 30 hours as full-time instead of 40 so people are getting paid less. on the issue after people working longers hours and needing more hours we do have -- the biggest problem here is in 2008, when the economy crashed, a lot of these companies downsized and gave people who remain in the work force more responsibilities and stretched their time and that has not changed.
>> the debates not over, guys -- >> that is not the problem. we work longer hours than other countries -- >> this is turning into learning hour for me already. i want to thank you both. i want to go now to the uproar and the big roaring success of one bernie sanders is having, very popular very passionate. a fellow who galvanized the same kind of crowds, dennis kucinich. you know a thing or two about passionate crowds. the rap when you were running for president yeah, but he can't win the nomination. same thing they say about bernie sanders. >> i think that you have to look at the crowds he is drawing. the money he is raising the polls that show him moving up. bernie sanders is a force to be he can reckoned with and it's his message that is resonating, about wages about the hours people work, about health care, about education -- >> but even "the new york times" says he is going nowhere fast. >> i wouldn't put "the new york times" as being the sole are
bitter -- >> i never do but i thought it interesting. >> we agree on something. i think that bernie sanders is going to be heard from throughout the election -- >> do you think wow were just a little early dennis? he is saying what you said. >> bernie dedefers a lot of credit for stepping up at a moment when people were waiting for someone to resonate with the economic concerns of the american people. >> i think what the times he is saying moderate democrats whatever you want to call them, it's veering the party too far stream left. unelectable. >> that's not true. it's not left, right it's about how much money people make, whether they have retirement security, health care -- >> i think it's about government. who warrants more government, less government. i think you like more government. >> i'm not for government per se >> bernie sanders is. >> what people pay for taxes is something that is always subject
to debate -- >> 90% is big. >> that's big but bernie san sanders is not just viable but wit will carry the message keep into the primary season. having said that, can never underestimate hillary clinton -- >> she will not get the nomination. >> i disagree. >> she is imploding. >> going to be a very spirited primary season and bernie will be in it to stay. >> el, you were ahead of that curve, young man. maybe you should have run. >> nope. >> always good having you. a man of his convictions. a rare quality left and right by the way. murder rates on the rise, but it's not because police are afraid of criminals. try some politicians. stick around. how's it progressing with the prisoner? he'll tell us everything he knows very shortly, sir.
murder rates are spiking and several cities are struggling to find a solution. one of those cities chicago. fox's mike tobin is there with the details. >> reporter: the sad reality is that shootings and homicides are up in so many cities i'm forced to pick just a few examples to talk about them. baltimore has seen a spike following all the tension between police and the minority community there. 155hoods recorded there this year. that's up 50 from this time last year. there was a qaudruple shooting in baltimore just last night. st. louis ferguson missouri homicides up by 35. chicago had 203 homicides in 2003 32 higher than last year at this time. more police are on the streets and city saw a flurry of gun violence 57-year-old among those killed. superintendent tim mccarthy has
long blamed soft laws and flexible senses that keep offenders returning to the streets. prosecutors are going too easy and judges too -- incidentally the 7-year-old who was killed in chicago, his father is a reputed gang member whose father had been arrested 45 he was out on bail when his son was killed. it is not known but assumed the bullet was meant for the father. the shooter hasn't been found. >> for all of this going on a lot of places former nypd says don't look at the police look at the politicians. >> i think politicians care more about the votes than the communities at this point. it's evident. there's a correlation between the fact we've taken power away from the police departments and empowered the communities to think they can do what they want. >> a lot of police are just afraid right, if they intervene in something the next thing they know they'll be indicted or arrested. >> without a doubt the psyche of
the police that are working today has changed. there's not as many stops obviously. they're afraid to get their face and their video to be put on youtube. >> you do acknowledge there are a few bad eggs out there. >> of course. >> how do you deal with that? >> when there is a bad cop, any cop would be the first one to condemn them. don't condemn the whole police department. i think that's what a lot of our politicians have done in the past. look at baltimore and new york. that's what's happened. now it turns the community against the police when the police are the only once out there protecting their communities. >> what should a mayor or governor's responsibility be if there's something untoward happens? do you say, all right, this is the exception or i'm going to get to the bottom of this ignore it? what do police want to hear? >> i think anybody in that position is going have to identify what happened acknowledge it try to get as much information out. but bring out the fact that the cops are out there working in these communities, that if this did happen just say baltimore, for example, if something happened we'll identify it, we'll get rid of these cops
prosecute them that's fine. let them go through the same stages criminals. a lot of criminals are back on the street. right now it just seems that a lot of cops are afraid to do their job because they don't want to be -- >> do you think because they're pulling punches that's why we're seeing the pickup in murder? >> in baltimore she fires the police chief. i think that's a joke. obviously the police chief had his hands tied due to what the mayor decides to do with that community. and he's gone. >> john thank you. it's crazy. but it is. high crime rate speaks what's going on. john halfer we have a dow up 33 1/4 points. they were able to trade today.
and a tragedy that keeps happening again and again and again. forget donald trump's mess eng er -- messenger delivery. we should cut to the core of the illegal immigrants and violence problem tomorrow on "your world." i'm eric bolling along with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams dana perino and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." bill o'reilley says throw them into prison for five years if they come back. donald trump says build a wall and make mexico pay for it to keep them out. senator tom cotton says if you choose to be a sanctuary city and hide illegals from the feds you should be stripped of your federal law enforcement grants. all interesting ideas, i'd say all of the above. but if you disagree with me maybe too insensitive to illegals? let's see if you still think so after listening to these families who lost children to illegals com