tv Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace FOX News August 2, 2015 11:00am-12:01pm PDT
bikini. >> seeing how my dad was always cleaning his guns, he probably would have too. >> did he make them sign a shotgun shell? >> had to leave their driver's license. >> her dad's a tough one. fox news sunday's next. i'm chris wallace, countdown to the first republican presidential debate. with just four days to go the contenders jockeying for position. >> hopefully will be on the stage, but there's or death in politics you do the best you can. >> let's get a pullup bar out there. >> largest field in recent political history, what are the stakes? and what about donald trump? >> i've never debated before i'm not a bedater, i get things done. >> we'll talk with two gop candidates vying for a prime time spot. ohio governor john kasich and former texas governor rick perry. then our sunday group weighs in on what to look for in the
debate and whether hillary clinton's troubles could entice a new rival into the democratic race. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. now just four days before the first republican debate. this thursday, the huge field of gop can'ts will gather in cleveland for fox news facebook debate night. the first event at 5:00 p.m. eastern, then the main prime time debate with the top ten can'ts in the polls. at 9:00 p.m. eastern on fox news channel. today we're talking with two candidates vying to be on that stage. first, the governor of ohio john kasich who's riding a post announcement bump in the polls, governor welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you chris, good to be with you. >> in the real clear politics average of recent poms you're in ninth place now at 3.5% and in the most recent, the latest
of the polls, you're doing better than that. as the governor of the state where the debate is going to be held how important for you to be on the stage in prime time thursday night, and frankly how embarrassing if you don't make it? >> well first of all, there's nothing wrong with a person being embarrassed whose been in the spotlight for a long time. i'd rather not be embarrassed, chris, life is short, and the more we keep our feet on the ground the better it is. in terms of being on the stage in that big debate i'd like to be there, but you know this debate comes six months before the selection of a single delegate. and you know what i've been focussing on is out there in the grass roots, and as i think you know i'm now running third in new hampshire, which is a very important part of my portfolio future. and we'll see what happens. i'd like to be there, and we just have to wait and see how all these polls work out. and look as it relates to the polls, i was, i'm governor of ohio i wasn't traveling around the country trying to make a
name for myself i was just trying to take care of ohio. and not many national reporters wanted to come out here and cover something that was going well. i mean if we'de blowing things up it'd have been here but you know look everything is fine. and you know i'm very pleased with where we are and enjoyed being out with the folks. >> you seem determined not to comment on donald trump, but your top political strategist john weaver sent out a tweet this week. he wrote, imagine a nascar driver mentally preparing for a race knowing one of the drivers will be drunk, that's what prepping for this debate is like. is that how you think of donald trump? >> he won't be sending anymore tweets like that chris. okay. i mean that's not the way we operate. and we're basically sort of like the engine that just keeps going along. and you know we don't appreciate stuff like that. i don't think you'll see anymore than that. and in term of commenting on
other people i have enough to do to get my message out to people. if i'm spending my time talking about somebody else for something else like i am right now, then i'm not telling you how i was the chairman of the house budget committee that balanced the federal budget, you know as the chief architect since we walked on the moon or my defense experience or the fact that we turned ohio around from 8 billion in the hole to 2 billion in the black, growth of 250,000 jobs, that's what i need to tell people. i find when i'm in the town halls and aye done a bunch in new hampshire, people ask questions, and they want answers, and they want to see experience and they want to the see a record and they want to see who you are. and why would i talk about somebody else? i might want to talk about you, and the toughness of your questioning, that would probably get applause if i could decide sir. >> you know you want to the go after me in the debate go ahead. i'm going to ask you about your record right now. because i think you'd agree that's the main thing that you're running on is your record of achievements -- >> i think that's the main
thing. what the heck else would you run on? you run on like -- we had a president running on what? >> tough debate if i can't get the question out. let's talk about your record. turning an $8 billion short fall into a $2 billion surplus, unemployment down from 9.1% to 5.2% and the top income tax rate has been lowered from 6.2% to 4.9. but the institute, a libertarian think tank gave you a d on its government's report card this last year noting the budget grew 13.6% in 2014 and that over your time as governor government jobs have increased 3%. a d, sir? >> well i don't know who these folks are, chris, another washington group, but look we have the lowest number of state employees in 30 years, and in addition to that our budget overall is growing by by about 2 or 3% and our medicaid growth
has gone from 9% when i came in to less than 4% and no one's been left behind. we haven't had to cut benefits or throw anybody off the roll. we pay attention to the mentally ill and the drug addicted and the working poor. you know it's washington. chris, they said he won't get in the race then i did. then they said okay if he gets in he won't raise the money. then i did. then they said he's getting in too late now they say, what a brilliant move. pay no attention to folks in washington. i want to move a lot of the power and money and the influence out of that town back to where we live like normal americans. you know. >> let me pick up on another issue that conservatives don't like and that is you pushed obamacare's expansion of medicaid through in your state of ohio over the very strong objections of the republican-controlled legislature, state legislature in ohio. here are the critic's complaints. ohio will be on the hook
long-term after federal aid begins to run out. they also say you were one of the few republican governors to give president obama bipartisan cover on obamacare. your answer. >> yeah well first of all, i'm opposed to obamacare and i've been clear on that. medicaid has been expanded expanded by ronald reagan i think three or four times. in addition to that instead of locking people in prison who have mental health we give them treatment and keep them out and that saves us money. instead of putting the drug addicted in prison then released and back in prison we treat them and we have a 10% recidivism rate. for those working poor instead of paying the uncompensated care when they go in there and don't have insurance, they have health care, so they're not sicker and more expensive. now we not only save money by doing this chris, but at the same time frankly morally, we're letting people get up on their feet and have a great life or better life. let me say to you that
conservative principles mean that in the united states of america, every once in a while, we give a helping hand to somebody to get out of the ditch so they can then live their god-given purpose. and that doesn't mean we give them a handout, we also expect personal responsibility once we help them. so i don't know what all these folks are saying and again, our medicaid growth rate some of the lowest in regard to medicaid however, two points one we bring our money back to treat people here in ohio because the federal government has no money, and secondly i would take a medicaid program and i would block granted basically empowering states to deal with those who are sick and poor in the way that they can so it's not a one size fits all mentality. it all fits together. and remember i was one of the architects of the last time we balanced the budget in washington. and we had surpluses for four years and we cut taxes and the economy was growing. what is there not to like about that? i don't know. >> i want to pick up, you talked about the moral component of the argument and you have made it
an argument with me and you also made it last year at a big conservative donor's conference. and i want to put up on the screen what you said. woman was questioning you about expansion of medicaid you said i don't know about you, lady but when i get to the pearly gate i'm going to have an answer for what i've done for the poor. now reportedly some people walked out after you said that and the criticism was that john kasich thinks you're not a good christian unless you support a massive increase in government. >> yeah well first of all, it's not about being a christian. the jewish and christian principles of this country say, basically the same thing, chris. and look i'm a public official but i'm also, you know i think a leader in terms of how this country ought to move. and my sense is that it is important that we do not ignore the poor the widowed, the disabled. i just think that's the way america is.
and i think there's a moral aspect to it. in my state, there's not only a moral aspect where some people's lives have been saved because of what we've done, but it also saves us money in the long run. and i never said that to that woman, i said to ohio speaker of the house. and by the way, the legislature just reaffirmed the expansion of medicaid in the last budget in overwhelming numbers. we could never have gotten this done if the leaders hadn't supported it. look it's bringing our money back to solve our problems. that's actually conservative bring our money back to solve our problems the same thing we should do in education, we should do in job training in highway, in highway funding. i mean this is the way we need to be moving. >> let me pick up on another issue that some conservatives are having with you. back in 1994 you voted for the assault weapons ban that bill clinton was proposing which earns you an f from the nra, and they were upset when you first ran, they endorsed your
democratic opponent against you. now, your nra rating now is straight a, but what would you say -- >> that's called improvement. >> yeah. come back but what would you say, particularly in a place like new hampshire where hunting is a big deal to gun rights advocates who are going to say look i'm not sure i like a guy who had an f from the nra. >> well i was assault weapon ban, what i learned is you write a law and there's no meaning. i'm a second amendment advocate i don't believe the government should take guns from people people have a right to be armed, and look that's what we've done in ohio. and i think they've been very pleased with what i've been able to do. it's not about pleasing them it's keeping the second amendment, it's allowing legitimate gun owners to be able to do what they want which is exercise their constitutional right. people need to worry about that. >> do you regret your vote for the assault weapons back in '94. >> going back and regretting i
look at it now, it was the perthat. >> finalfully your announcement a couple weeks ago at your alma mater, you said that you are running big picture, to restore the american dream. realistically realistically, how much can a president do? >> well i think a president can do a couple things just like i have as governor. and that is to create economic growth first and foremost by getting government to work in terms of respecting job creators and job creation. but secondly i think it's also a communication, both in policy and the by that which you conduct yourself that everyone no matter who you are, if you're poor you're in the minority community, if you've been disabled if you've had real problems that you also have a right to share in the american dream. if you're working, and you're poor you lost your job, i saw a guy in new hampshire, 55 years old, engineer lost his job, he's working in a sandwich shop.
we want to give people like that hope chris. i think our country has become divided, some have become depressed. we've been through tougher times before and we will fix this. a president can lead but fundamentally, america works from the bottom up. the folks to the top, not from the top down. my dad was a mailman, and i've always believed that. >> governor kasich, thank you. thanks for talking with us and we'll see you somewhere on some stage thursday. thank you. >> thank you. up next another candidate hoping to be part of the prime time debate. former texas governor rick perry. will he get a chance this week to make up for some staky moments in the last campaign? i sure had a lot on my mind when i got out of the hospital after a dvt blood clot. what about my family? my li'l buddy? and what if this happened again? i was given warfarin in the hospital but i wondered if this was the right treatment for me. then my doctor told me about eliquis.
eliquis treats dvt and pe blood clots and reduces the risk of them happening again. not only does eliquis treat dvt and pe blood clots but eliquis also had significantly less major bleeding than the standard treatment. knowing eliquis had both... turned around my thinking. don't stop eliquis unless your doctor tells you to. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. if you had a spinal injection while on eliquis call your doctor right away if you have tingling numbness, or muscle weakness. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily... and it may take longer than usual for bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. eliquis treats dvt & pe blood clots. plus had less major bleeding. both made switching to eliquis right for me. ask your doctor if it's right for you.
so what i'm saying is, people like options. when you take geico, you can call them anytime you feel like saving money. it don't matter, day or night. use your computer, your smartphone, your tablet, whatever. the point is you have options. oh, how convenient. hey. crab cakes, what are you looking at? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. hi my name is tom. i'm raph. my name is anne. i'm one of the real live attorneys you can talk to through legalzoom. don't let unanswered legal questions hold you up, because we're here we're here and we've got your back. legalzoom. legal help is here. benny's the oldest dog in the shelter. he needed help all day so i adopted him. when my back pain flared up, we both felt it. i tried tylenol but it was 6 pills a day. with aleve it's just two pills, all day. now i'm back! aleve. all day strong. ♪
whoa what are you doing? putting on a movie. i'm trying to watch the game here. look i need this right now ok? come on i don't want to watch that. too bad this is happening. fine, what if i just put up the x1 sports app right here. ah jeez it's so close. he just loves her so much. do it. come on. do it. come on! yes! awww, yes! that is what i'm talking about. baby. call and upgrade to get x1 today. ♪
a look outside the bellway at cleveland's quicken loans arena, site of this week's first republican presidential debate. one of the candidates hopeing for a prime time spot is former texas governor rick perry, governor welcome back to fox news sunday. >> good to be with you, chris. >> in and we were just talking about this with john kasich in the real clear politics average of the most recent polls, he's in ninth place, you're in 11th place with 2.2% support. which means that you are right on the bubble for making the top ten of the prime time spots debate thursday night. honestly how damaging to your candidacy if you're not on that stage, 9:00 p.m. that night? >> well full well expect to be on the stage, but as a lot of people recognize, this is not a
one-shot pony here. we have a full campaign in front of us lots of things going on. iowa new hampshire, south carolina we spent a lot of time in those states and how you do in iowa new hampshire, and south carolina is going to have a lot more to do with who's going to be the nominee then whether somebody makes a debate presentation on the 6th of august 2015. >> let's talk about debates because i think you will agree that you did not do well in debates last time which raises the question whether it's this debate or some of the others aren't they more important to you than they are perhaps to any other candi you can show that you are not the rick perry of 2012 but you're a new and improved rick perry? >> well you're kind in that observation, but yeah i think a lot of people are waiting for that 6th of august debate and
they know our record they know that this is a governor that's overseeing the 12th largest economy in the world for the last 14 years and from '07 to 2014 created 1.5 million jobs while the rest of the country lost 400,000 jobs they know that we're socially conservative all those things penetrated through, they want to see a debate performance that is, you know more than passable and i will suggest to you, that's exactly what they'll get. >> so what are you doing, i mean how are you preparing? and is it in the back of your mind i can't afford another oops moment? >> well i have not made it any secret that my preparation has been substantially more than what it was four years ago. we got in this process late we had had major back surgery, we were not prepared either physically or mentally and it
reflected that. so the preparation is going to be very reflective of what we've done. i think people will see a very very focussed disciplined candidate, and you add that to the record i feel comfortable about where we are. >> we pointed out in the last segment that governor kasich has just steadfastly refused to engage on the question of donald trump, but quite frankly, you and donald trump have really gone at each other. he has suggested that you should take an iq test he went down to the border and said that you did a, quote, terrible job, managing that border when you were governor of texas, and he said this take a look. >> i see rick perry the other day, and he's so, you know he's doing very poorly in the polls. he put glasses on so people will think he's smart. and it just doesn't work. >> why do you think trump's picking on you, sir?
>> you know it's really interesting, chris, you're wearing glasses now too from time to time and i think you're still pretty smart guy. but i responded, i responded to that with the appropriate, and i said hey, let's just go have a pullup contest and get this over with. that was about the same level of which he is focussed on. here's the more important issue, donald trump wants to be the commander and chief of the united states and he does not know that it is the federal government responsibility to secure the border. it's not the state of texas or any other state's responsibility. what the state of texas did after i looked the president in the eye and told him if you don't secure mr. president, we sent our recon teams, parks and wildlivs ordinance, put them right in the river and the national guard to be force multipliers and we saw a 74% decrease in the number of apprehensionings. now i don't know what donald trump is paying attention to but let me tell you, that is the
success that americans are looking for, and when i'm the president of the united states the will to secure that border will reside in the oval office every day. and the border with mexico and the united states will be secure. >> you have done more than just fire back on trump on the issue of immigration you devoted a major speech to donald trump in which you said you accused him of a, quote, toxic mix of demagoguery, mean-spiritedness, and nonsense. and you didn't stop there. here you are. >> let no one be mistaken donald trump's candidacy is a cancer on conservatism and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised, and discarded. >> how do you explain what now in the polls, 20% of republican voters saying that they would support donald trump for president. how do you explain that and what would you say to those voters?
>> i say those issues that he has talked about, we've been talking about for a long time. this is an individual who has extraordinary celebrity. but i'm not going to be quiet, chris, when donald trump shoots a bullet through john mccain, and hits veterans particularly those that have been captured. i'll challenge donald trump, you go tell marcus louisiana trel who was captured by the taliban, that he doesn't like being around people that have been captured. i think that was one of the low moments of this campaign from my perspective. and i'm not going to be quiet about that. i'm going to clearly push back and i'm going to push back hard because i'll tell you one thing, having worn a uniform of this country, i know what men and women have gone through, i wrote a letter a week from '03 to 2010 to a parent or a loved one of a young texan who lost their life in the war on terror.
i know what the cost of this war it is. and i'm not going to let anybody belittle those individuals, i'm going to stand up and push back and push back hard. >> when you say he is a cancer on conservatism it's more than these remarks that he makes, that seems to be a bigger critique. >> well when you think about he's for single payer. how can anyone who is a conservative stand up and say, i am for a single payer for health care? i mean that is an estimate from my perspective of an individual who wants to have the banner of the republican party, the banner of conservatism when you look back at the positions that he has held it is not in concert with conservatism. and i think, you know, regardless of whether he's a celebrity and there are a lot of people that are following him today, i am going to stand up for conservatism. nobody has a more socially conservative position nobody has a better job creation
record, nobody has a better record of running the 12th largest economy in the world. and i think that's what americans are looking for. they want somebody who has the experience and the result of being a major ceo of something that really matters out there. and i would suggest to you the state of texas, about the size of canada or australia is what they're looking for. somebody who truly knows thousand lead this country. >> governor you made a major speech this past week about reforming wall street. you called for more regulations of big financial institutions you praised the federal reserve for requiring big banks to hold more capital, and some folks said that you sounded in terms of all this for more regulation you sounded like bernie sanders. >> well i talked about smart regulations. there's a difference between more regulation is what dodd frank did, and dodd frank drove community banks out of business. i mean we have lost huge numbers
at community banks. i used to be on a small bank board back in hascal county in texas, and i know what these regulations are doing. ting makes sense for us to have the big banks. do you realize that i think the sixth largest banks in the country have 61% of the markets now. this is a stunning number. we're seeing freddie and fannie may in the business of having very small down payments to get a loan. it is a stunning direction that we're going in this country again, and it's because of washington and washington's policies that are causing this. and let me just address this federal reserve. the federal reserve didn't miss my my spleen either in that remark. i said that they had done some things that were absolutely hurtful when it came to our economy. so the federal reserve, washington, d.c. and wall street for that matter i laid out a clear way for us to get this country back on track.
those banks need to have more cushion so that there can never be one of these too big to fail issues again. the american people that lost their savings, they're the ones that somebody needs to be standing up for, and i'm going to do that for them. >> governor we have about a minute left. fox news and facebook are of course partnering in this debate and we're asking folks to send in questions that we'll be asking you and the other candidates. you can go to the fox news sunday page on facebook and click on the link to submit either written or video questions. governor perry, here is a question that derek sent if elected president, what will be the first thing you'll do? >> well tear up that agreement with iran. that's the biggest challenge i think that we have in this country. and obviously, they're securing that border with mexico is incredibly important as well. and those two things can happen on the first day. >> governor perry, thank you,
thanks for sharing your sunday with us and we'll see you later this week in cleveland. >> good to be with you, sir, thank you, see you in cleveland. up next the sunday group offers its advice and analysis for what to look for in the fox news facebook debate. staying in rhythm... it's how i try to live... how i stay active. so i need nutrition... that won't weigh me down. for the nutrition you want without the calories you don't... introducing boost® 100 calories. each delicious snack size drink gives you... 25 vitamins and minerals and 10 grams of protein. so it's big in nutrition and small in calories. i'm not about to swim in the slow lane. get a coupon for a free sample at boost.com
now? can i at least put my shoes on? if your bladder is calling the shots ... you may have a medical condition called overactive bladder ... ...or oab you've got to be kidding me. i've had enough! it's time to talk to the doctor. ask your doctor how myrbetriq may help treat... ...oab symptoms of urgency frequency, and leakage. which may mean fewer trips to the bathroom. myrbetriq (mirabegron) may increase your blood pressure. myrbetriq may increase your chances... ...of not being able to empty your bladder. tell your doctor right away if you have... ...trouble emptying your bladder or have a weak urine stream. myrbetriq may affect... ...or be affected by other medications... ...so tell your doctor about all the medicines you take. before taking myrbetriq, tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems.
common side effects include increased blood pressure, common cold symptoms, urinary tract infection, and headache. take charge by talking to your doctor about your oab symptoms and myrbetriq. find out if you can get your first prescription at no cost by visiting myrbetriq.com i am paying for this microphone. >> christ because he changed my heart. >> i think the destructive, vicious, negative nature of much of the news media makes it harder to govern this country. >> a look back at some memorable republican debate moments over the years. and it's time now for our sunday group. gop strategist carl rove susan page washington bureau chief of u.s. today, action for america, michael need m, and juan
williams. carl here's what everyone including rival companies has been asking me this week what will donald trump do in the debate what should donald trump do in the debate? what's your answer? >> well the answer to the first question is who knows? i thought he's been artful this week but he's been down playing expectations that he's going to do lousy in the debate. does he show up and sort of throw the barbs at everybody or does he try to project the seriousness that people look for in a presidential candidate? it'll be interesting. my sense is he's going to try to come across more serious and more substantive than he has in recent interviews but that's one of the interesting things about this election a lot is unpredictable, and we're all watching in order to find out what happens. >> if you were his brain, the way where with george w. bush what would you advise him, say to do that and don't you run the
risk that suddenly a different donald trump shows up on the stage from the one that people obviously have been attracted to? >> emotion and show the, you know the, all that we seen from the donald that aimed at an issue, aimed at the thing he disagrees with rather than aiming at both that and his fellow competitors on the stage. it's going to be problematic for him if he does things like he's done to rick perry, you know, mocking him for his glasses because the rules have already, fox has already made clear, you use somebody's name you go after somebody they're giving that somebody a chance to respond, and in politics the counterpunch is oftentimes more powerful than the punch, what donald trump doesn't want to do is throwing a punch and having counterpunches throughout the night. >> there is a lot of free advice to donald trump, which is worth what people are paying for it and it gets put in this issue. some are saying be the statesman, 20% in the polls, you're leading, show that you
really are, you know, you're not a reality show clown, show that you are seriously to being president, and others that say, this got you the 20%, keep doing it. >> he's in the cats verse bird. we have the poll coming up that shows him at 19%, first place in the field. one thing we know about the debate it's going to have trump in it. either trump says something or something someone says. what a complication this is for the other candidates to not know which donald trump will show up the serious one or the one that throws barbs, their attitude has to be different. i suspect that the donald trump that shows up will it's not the subject of a lot of speculation on his part. that's what we like about donald trump, he responds to the moment he's spontaneous. as you say, who knows? >> you know, and what could be
better? who knows. michael, let's take a step back let's not just focus on trump, there'll be nine other people on the stage. how important is this first debate but one of the nine or ten or 11 and what your wing of the party, the tea party wing of the party, what will they be focussing on? how will people either turn them on or off? >> they want somebody that represents them. they want disconnected from washington, d.c. they feel like they're unheard, and they're right to field unheard. i think the candidate that goes up and says the path that the republican establishment has been on count on people to show up and give energy during the election but as soon as it's time to govern we'll ignore them and do what the special interests and chamber of commerce wants, that's disinfranchising people. it's time for a change it's time to channel all this energy into a party that's actually worth fighting for, and a party that has a soul and stands for something, and that can be somebody who unites republicans,
tea partiers and independents. >> when you've been on the show before you haven't like donald trump, they're all losers dopes, i'll make america great again. >> donald trump is a symptom of a party that has decided that it's going to govern based on special interests. not based on what they ran for. nobody ran in 2014 and said if you give us the house and senate we're going to reauthorize no child left behind. nobody ran and said if you give the house and senate we'll increase entitled spending people are sick of it. the problem with the republican party that allows donald trump to be somebody at 19 20% and not an aspect in the poms is that most voters hate their party. and that's what needs to be addressed. >> is there something, michael, that the more moderate candidate, and it's all relative the more moderate candidates on the stage like bush kasich like christie are there things they could do to win over that g of the party? >> i think most will say the right things because christie said great things on entitlement
reform john kasich has, proving this isn't going to be the same drill we've seen all over again. people running based on promises once they get in the there, they're taking the phone calls and saying what do we do? typical washington establishment who have made our party soulless and going down the path. they have to stand up and do what they said. >> basics. >> that's the challenge. part is being willing to take punches at the right people. the reason donald trump is getting enthusiasm he's picking off all the right people. it's former bush advisors were running for the new york times to talk about the problems with donald trump. it's the people who all through, you know the last couple of decades have made our party bankrupt. if you can start, you know, picking some strategic fights where you're taking on something like the export import thing, it's an important victory. we're going to identify something that is the crux of kroen yichl in washington, d.c. and taking it down, you can build up trust. >> facebook has been sharing some fascinating data with us of course we're partnering with
them for the debate. look at this. here are the top five most talked about political issues on facebook over the last two months. you can see too two there, mexico and immigration steam have a link. racial issues number one, and lgbt issues number four. it's kind of surprising juan what do you make of that and what do you see as the opportunities and challenges for all the candidates on the stage thursday night? >> that's interesting because i think it ties into what you've heard from my other fellow panelists here this morning. i think if you look at the issue of race for example, or you look at something like mexico donald trump is all over that. donald trump speaks to those issues on immigration and specifics. and trump has become a media sensation, and internet media, social media sensation, i think because he speaks to the issues that people want to hear about. and i helped michael lay this out, i don't agree with the perspective, but that's right,
defensive alien nation the infighting we've seen just in the last week inside the republican party taking on speaker boehner, taking on mitch mcconnell the senate majority leader i think that's instructive in terms of a fractured party. i think this is all about the trump show at the moment and trump, as evidence of a party that lacks leadership in that sense and is looking for somebody who can galvanize them. >> carl do you agree? is that your perception of where the party is at this moment? >> let's put things in perspective, 20% is the front runner he is the best in term was a front runner if you want to pick someone in the front of the pack. this is not what races normally look like. normally 35% or 40%. this is this is a field that is closely packed. the second thing is donald trump has a high floor, relative to everybody else. he has 20%. he's got a low ceiling. he has the worst favorable and
unfavorables of the top five republicans in the poll. if you look at his positives, his pottives are the lowest in all of the contests and the polls except for one, carly fiorina fiorina, 38% of the sample didn't know who she was, 0% of the sample didn't know who donald trump was. he loses by a huge margin to hillary clinton. joe biden does joe biden performs better than hillary clinton does but nonetheless, she's likely to be the nominee because -- >> 17 candidates which is what we have now, in that kind of a field, 20%, you can do pretty darn well in iowa and new hampshire. >> we'll see, wave long way to go between here and there. frankly, there are good piece this morning in the new york times by ross who said that donald trump is holding in essence back. the republican party haters inside the republican contest. and he's helping the, you know the traditional republicans, are benefitting by trump taking that
anger that mike talked about, and channelling it towards him rather than channelling it towards a ted cruz for example. so i think, i think nobody -- i run into very few people who think donald trump is likely to be the nominee of the republican party. he is likely to be a presence for some period of time longer rather than shorter, but at the end of the day, to me interesting who's he holding back not who's he advancing? 20%, you have to go back to the 1976 democratic presidential contest to find a poll that a front runner at the low levels that are today. >> panel, we have to take a break here. when we come back as hillary clinton struggles, excuse me, troubles continues to pile up. could it be enough to drive joe biden into the democratic race? i'm not sick. i'm not sick. i'm not sick. she's perfectly healthy.
it is not appropriate, nor fair for me to prejudge in a public arena what secretary kerry and president obama eventually have to decide. i will not express an opinion until they have made a decision. if it's undecided when i become president, i will answer your questions. >> hillary clinton repeatedly refusing to answer questions about where she stands on the proposed keystone xl pipeline and we're back now with the panel. so first you have that keystone which was not exactly a profile in portfolio courage, then you have the continuing saga about classified information on clinton's private e-mail server then you have this story in the wall street journal this week that after clinton intervened to help the swiss bank ubs, that firm donated more than half a million
dollars to the clinton foundation and paid bill clinton $1.5 million for a series of appearances. here's how clinton responded to that. >> i would say that any, any implication that is attempting to be made along those lines is categorically false. >> carl how much is all of this just the drop drop drop hurting clinton? >> hugely. 37% believe that she is honest in the poll honest and trust worthy 57% do not. and we're going to have continuing monthly revelations about her e-mails, and we're going to find out more of these kind of perceptions that she was trading on her position of secretary of defense, sec stair of state to help people contributing to her foundation. i think this brings up a broader question we've seen a lot of evidence that the foundation creates perceptions of insider er
trading and insider dealing in a lot of ways. and you wonder why they didn't think about this in advance or why they didn't care about it. it also shows, we were told that all of his speeches were going to be reviewed by appropriate officials at the state department to avoid problems well he's getting the largest single corporate source of income for him since he left office is coming from an entity that is under review by the secretary's office. so yes, there are problems and we've seen the tip of the iceberg, we're going to see it constantly throughout the campaign. you take this honest and trust worthy problem that she's got and put it with the problem she's got of people does she care about people like me? which is also enormous and you have a toxic combination that we have not seen. mitt romney huge issues about caring about people like me she's got a problem with both. and it's going to be a continuing difficulty for her candidacy. >> but clinton is not backing off. she and jeb bush spoke on friday
before the national urban league and she really went after bush as a hypocrite and mocked his campaign slogan take a look. >> i don't think you can credibly say that everyone has a right to rise and then say you're for phasing out medicare or appealing obamacare. >> michael, the bush camp was surprised, and angry. >> yeah and she should be. i guess the only thing they mis miscalculated is not seeing they'd do something classless. i thought it was classless. if hillary clinton wants to have a debate about whether the right to rise is more advanced that has given us the war on poverty has given us the absolute destination of the american people and that has created the democratic party that's afraid to stand up for school's choice. we would love to have that debate about the right to rise. here's the other thing, hillary clinton as carl was saying incapsulates this notion of public service for the purpose of enriching yourself and your friends. the same week she's saying this
she's meeting with the aflcio this is lobbying for an increase in the minimum wage in san francisco. except for unionized workers. and that's how the clinton economy works. that's how the crony economy works, donald trump and hillary clinton get to chose who's in the club and who's not. if you're not club you are, if you're in the club you get to have lower wages, if you're not in the club then you don't get the right to have a job because of the minimum wage increase and the cost of labor. >> all of clinton's troubles and first of all, i'd be curious to hear about what you think about how much trouble she's in. there is a lot of buzz in the papers and especially today about joe biden actively exploring, that's the operative phrase actively exploring running against clinton for the democratic nomination. how likely do you think it is that he will jump in and if so what would his chances be against clinton? >> i think joe biden's heart is wanting to run.
his wife left the door open to my surprise to the idea that he would run in 2016. i think his head told him there isn't an opening for him. he's run for president twice. neither time has he managed to run and be a significant factor in the race. and he's now 72 years old, hillary clinton for all her problems is well liked by most democrat ts and is excited, enthusiasm to be the prospect of being the first woman president. so i think there must be this battle going on for joe biden between his desire to run one more time and from people who may be counselling him saying not now, the opening isn't big enough. you'll hurt some of the, some of the credibility you've gained as vice president and especially since -- >> this speaks to the whole issue, obviously one of his big calculations how wounded do you think hillary clinton is? >> i think she's still by far
the likely nominee, but the thing that strikes you about the controversies, they're all self-inflicted. these are not things that other people are doing to her, these are problems she has brought on to herself from her failure to answer a straightforward question about keystone pipeline to the continuing stories we see about questions about the appearance of a conflict of interest. >> great contract between the the two -- contrast one with 16 candidates different races, different genders, all with a different story to tell about providing opportunity for all americans. on the other hand democratic party, they don't like hillary clinton, they don't like the socialists running against her, and the only place they can find is trying to find a different candidate is the 72-year-old vice president. >> i think you're off on that one, michael. democrats like hillary clinton, hillary clinton polled a substantial lead in the democratic party race and beats every republican out there right now nationally. so just let's slow down a second. i think on the joe biden front, joe biden is so popular, and especially now, there is a great
deal of sense from the death of his son and the reports coming from the times that biden was encouraging his father to run, he has some political life. there's a great deal. joe biden does not want to be ralph, he doesn't want a legacy that says he separated the party and served as this great republican excitement about the idea that hillary clinton actually may not be the titan that we thought. >> third party candidate, he'd run for the nomination. >> he'd run for the nomination and potentially like trump say, maybe there's something for me. i don't see hillary clinton crumbling, there's right, self-inflicted damage but this week rather than classless, michael, i think she did something clear, she said there's a clear distinction between the democratic party and jeb bush or marco rooub glow florida. she said bush wants to lower capital gains taxes, released her taxes this week. i paided a high tax rate he wants to lower it. he's not looking out for the middle class.
that's making a clear distinction everybody can understand. marco rubio wants to lower taxes on people making less than $3 million a year. i want to do more for the middle class. >> the same week that the bushes and clintons are on the front cover of time magazine and you're talking about that, we appreciate you juan for writing an essay for an opportunity -- >> strong supporter of -- >> instead of coming together -- >> you know as a sports fan, i've always noticed that when a team isn't doing well the most popular person in time is the second string quarterback because he hasn't messed up. all your hopes for things are going to get better. how seriously do you take biden? what would be his chances? >> i'm with susan, hillary will be the nominee. he doesn't need to jump in and shouldn't. it would take the focus away from her. if she's going to have continuing problems and mortal if they're life-threatening we're going to see it play out in the next months.
>> katie is discussing her daily schedule. a regiment that made her an arguably the best swimmer in the world. she has no thoughts of slowing down. is it ever too much? >> no. i've gotten used to it. i think the swimming has helped my school work the school work and the school day always helps my swimming. it goes both ways, i guess. >> it certainly seems to be working. >> what world record do you now hold? >> 400 free -- >> that's all? >> i broke them a few times. >> last september, the then 17-year-old started her senior year at stone ridge, a private school outside washington. how tough is it to be a normal teenager? >> it's not tough at all. its been a lot of fun the last couple of years. swimming and going to school. >> is there any time for boys? >> no i don't have a boyfriend, and i never have. >> katie started swimming
competitively at six. her enthusiasm stronger than her form. by the time she was eight, she was starting to win. >> you can improve that time and that's the result of what you do every day in practice. i think you can really see the correlation. >> numbers don't lie. >> exactly. numbers don't lie. and they show what you do in practice. and i like that aspect of it. >> in 2012 at age 15 she made the olympic team but she was no favorite. >> i would have been happy if i got first of last. i was just really grateful to be at the olympics and i didn't have many expectations for myself. >> and what happened? >> i won. it was a drill night, it was the 2012 olympic gold in the 800. >> may i? it is gorgeous. >> thanks. >> yeah. >> i mean that's -- >> it's a nice keepsake.
>> it got some company last summer. five more of gold medals from the pan pacific championships. now katie is back in training focussing on the 2016 olympics. >> i think it's more of time goal rather than i have to make this meet or i have to get these medals. >> so if you met your time goal and finished third, would you be happy or disappointed? >> i would be happy. you can't control what other people are going to do. i try to set my time goals so that it'll put me up there, put me in contention for a medal. >> she gets back in the pool this week as a big favorite competing in five events at the world championship. and get ready for another gold rush. before we go this program note i'll see you thursday night along with bretbair and megyn kelly featuring the top ten candidates in the national poll. it all starts at 9:00 p.m.
eastern on fox news channel. that's if for today, have a great week and we'll see you on the next, "fox news sunday." i'm bob masty, for 32 years i've been practicing law and living in las vegas, i help people with all sorts of real estate problems from trying to save their homes to closing major deals. eight years ago, 6,000 people a month moved here looking for employment and affordable homes. little did anyone know that we would become ground zero for the american real estate crisis. now, it's a different story, the american dream is back. we're going to meet real people who face sustained problems as millions across america and we'll dive deep into the city on the rebound because las vegas was a microcosm