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redhead scent control wicking tee shirts. and save up to an additional $100 on a new bow or crossbow when you trade one in. bass pro shops. it is 9:00 p.m. on the east coast, and the moment of truth has arrived. welcome to the first debate night of the 2016 presidential campaign live from quicken loans arena in cleveland, ohio. i'm megyn kelly. along with my comoderators bret baier and chris wallace. tonight -- tonight, tonight thousands of people here in the q, along with millions of voters at home will get their very first chance to see the candidates face off in a debate answering the questions you want answered. >> less than a year from now in
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this very arena, one of these ten candidates or one of the seven on the previous debate tonight will accept the republican party's nomination. tonight's candidates were selected based on an average of five national polls. just a few hours ago, you heard from the candidates ranked 11 through 17 and now the primetime event, the top ten. >> also of note fox news is partners for tonight's debate with facebook. for the past several week, we've been asking you for questions for the candidates on facebook. nearly 6 million of you, 6 million viewed the debate videos on our site and more than 40,000 asked questions for us to ask the candidates tonight. >> here they are. positioned on the stage by how they stand in the polls, in the center of the stage tonight, businessman donald trump.
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[ cheering and applause ] former florida governor jeb bush. wisconsin governor scott walker. former arkansas governor mike huckabee. >> neurosurgeon dr. ben carson. texas senator ted cruz. florida senator marco rubio. kentucky senator rand paul. new jersey governor chris christie. and your very own governor of ohio john kasich! [ cheering and applause ]
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>> bret. >> bret i think you would call that a home field advantage. >> it might be. we'll see. >> the rules for tonight are simple. one minute for answers, 30 seconds for follow-ups. and if a candidate runs over you'll hear this. [ bell ] pleasant no? we also have a big crowd here with us tonight in the home of the cavaliers, as i mentioned. and while we expect them -- we expect them to be enthusiastic as you heard, we don't want to take anything away from the valuable time for the candidates. we're looking for a reaction between a lebron james dunk and the cleveland public library across the street. somewhere there we'll find a balance tonight. without further ado, let's begin. gentlemen, we know how much you love hand raising questions. so we promise this is the only
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one tonight, the only one. is there anyone on stage, and can i see hands who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person? again, we're looking for you to raise your hand now, raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. mr. trump. mr. trump, to be clear, you're standing on a republican primary stage. >> i fully understand. >> the place where the rnc will give the nominee the nod. >> i fully understand. >> and that experts say an independent run would almost certainly hand the race over the democrats and likely another clinton. you can't say tonight that you can make that pledge? >> i cannot say. i have to respect the person. that if it's not me, the person that wins. if i do win and i'm leading by
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quite a bit, that's what i want to do. i can totally make that pledge if i'm the nominee. i pledge i will not run as an independent. and i am discussing it with everybody. but i'm talking about a lot of leverage. we want to win, and we will win. but i want to win as the republican. i want to run as the republican nominee. >> so tonight you can't say if another one of these -- >> what's wrong? this is what is wrong. he buys and sells politicians of all stripes. look look. he is already hedging his bet on the clintons okay. so if he doesn't run as a republican maybe he supports clinton or maybe he runs as an independent. >> okay. >> but i would say that he is already hedging his bets because he used to buying politicians. >> well i've given you plenty of money. just to be clear. we're going to move on. you're not going to make the pledge? >>ly not make the pledge at this time.
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>> all right. >> gentlemen, our first round of questions is on the subject of electability in the general election. and we start tonight with you, dr. carson. you are a successful neurosurgeon but you admit that you have had to study up when it comes to foreign policy saying there is a lot to learn. your critics say that your inexperience shows. you suggested that the baltic states are not a part of nato and just a few months ago you were unfamiliar with the major political parties and government in israel. and domestically you thought alan greenspan had been federal treasury secretary instead of federal chair. aren't these basic mistakes and don't they raise legitimate questions about whether you are ready to be president? >> well i could take issue with all of those things, but we don't have time. i will say we have a debate here tonight, and we will have an opportunity to explore those areas, and i'm looking very much
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forward to demonstrate the thing that is probably the most important is having a brain, and to be able to figure things out and learn things very rapidly. so you know experience comes from a large number of different arenas. and america became a great nation early on not because it was flooded with politicians, but because it was flooded with people who understood the value of personal responsibility hard work creativity innovation and that's what will get us on the right track now as well. >> senator rubio when jeb bush announced his candidacy for presidency he said this. there is no passing off responsibility when you're a governor no blending into the legislative crowd. could you please address governor bush across the stage here and explain to him why you, someone who has never held executive office are better
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prepared to be president than he is a man who you say did a great job running your state of florida for eight years? >> well, thank you for the question chris. it's great to be here tonight. let me begin by saying this. i'm not new to the political process. i was making a contribution as the speaker of the third largest and most diverse state in the country before i got to the senate. this cannot be a resume competition. it's important to be qualified. but if 24 is a resume competition, then hillary is going to be the next president because she has been in office longer than anybody here tonight. this election better be about the future not the past. it better be about the issues our nation and the world is facing today not simply the issues we once faced. this country is facing an economy that has been radically transformed. you know, the largest retailer in the country today amazon doesn't even own a single store, and these changes have been disruptive. they have changed people's lives. the jobs that once sustained our middle class, they either don't pay enough or they are gone.
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and we need someone to understand that who is our nominee. if i'm the nominee, how is hillary clinton going to lecture me about living paycheck to paycheck? i was raised living pay he can to paycheck. how is she going to lecture me about student loans? i owed over $100,000 just four years ago. if i'm our nominee, we will be the party of the future. >> governor bush you have insisted that you're your own man. you say you have a life experience uniquely your own. not your father's not your brother's. but there are several opponents on this stage who get big applause lines in early voting states with this line. quote, the last thing the country needs is another bush in the oval office. so do you understand the real concern in this country about dynastic politics? >> absolutely i do. and i'm going to run hard run with heart and run to win. i'm going have to earn this. maybe the bar is even higher for me. that's fine.
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i've got a record in florida. i'm proud of my dad, and i'm certainly proud of my brother. in florida, they call me jeb because i earned it. i cut taxes every year totalling $19 billion. we were -- we balanced every budget. we went from $1 billion of reserves to $9 billion of reserves. we're one of two states that went to aaa bond rating. they call me veto corleone. i'm my old man. i govern as a conservative and i govern effectively. and the net effect was during my eight years, 1.3 million jobs were created. we left the state better off because i applied conservative principles in a purple state the right way, and people rose up. >> mr. trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don't use a politician's filter. however, that is not without its downsides, in particular when it
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comes to women. you've called women you don't like fat pigs dogs slobs, and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> no, it wasn't. your twitter account -- >> thank you. >> for the record it was well beyond rosie o'donnell. >> yes i'm sure it was. >> your twitter account has several disparaging comments about women's looks. you once told a contestant on "celebrity apprentice" it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. does that sound you like the temperament of man we should elect as president, and how will you answer the charge when hillary clinton, who is likely to be the democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women? >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. [ cheering ]
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i've been challenged by so many people and i don't frankly have time for total political correctness. and to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either. this country is in big trouble. we don't win anymore. we lose to china. we lose to mexico, both in trade and at the border. we lose to everybody. and frankly, what i say and oftentimes it's fun, it's kidding, we have a good time. what i say is what i say. and honestly megyn, if you don't like it i'm sorry. i've been very nice to you, although i probably could not be based on the way you treated me but i wouldn't do that. but you know what? we -- we need strength. we need energy. we need quickness, and we need brain in this country to turn it around. that i can tell you right now.
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>> senator cruz your colleague senator paul right there next to you said a months ago he agrees with you on a number of issues but he says you do nothing to grow the party. he says you feed red meat to the base be you don't reach out the minorities. you have a toxic relationship with gop leaders in congress. you even call the republican senate leader mitch mcconnell a liar recently. how can you win in 2016 when you're such a distant figure? >> chris, i believe the american people are looking for someone to speak the truth. if you're looking for someone to go to washington to go along to get along, to agree with the career politicians in both parties, who get in bed with the lobbyists and special interests then i ain't your guy.
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there is a reason that we have $18 trillion in debt. because as conservatives, as republicans, we keep winning elections. we got a republican house. we got a republican senate and we don't have leaders who honor their commitments. i will always tell the truth and do what i said i would do. >> governor christie you're not exactly the darling of conservatives. you out the your record as a republican governor in a blue state. on facebook, the most people talking about you, not surprisingly come from your state of new jersey. and one of the top issues they are talking about is the economy. this may be why. under your watch, new jersey has undergone nine credit ratings downgrades the state's 44th in private sector growth you. face an employee pension crisis and the garden state has the
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third highest foreclosure rate in the country. so why should voters believe that your management of the country's finances would be any different? >> if you think it's bad now, you should have seen it when i got there. the fact is the fact is in the eight years before i became governor taxes and fees were raised at the state level 115 times. in the eight years before i became governor spending was increased 56%. and in the eight years before i became governor there was zero net private sector job growth in new jersey. zero. for eight years. so what did we do? we came in. we balanced an $11 billion deficit on a $29 billion budget by cutting over 800 programs in the state budget. we brought the budget into balance with no tax increases. in fact we vetoed 5:00 in tax increases during my time as governor. we cut business taxes $2.3 billion, and we cut regulation by 1/3 of what my predecessor
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put in place. what has happened since? 192,000 new private sector jobs in the five and a half years i've been governor. we have a lot of work to do in new jersey but i'm darn proud of how we brought our state back. >> governor walker you have consistently said you want to make abortion illegal, even in cases of rape incest or to save the life of a mother. you recently signed an abortion law in wisconsin that does have an exception for the mother's life but you are on record as having objected to it. would you really let a mother die rather than have an abortion? and with 83% of the american public in favor of a life exception, are you too out of the mainstream on this issue to win the general election? >> well i'm pro-life. i've always been pro-life. and i've got a position i think is a good system with many americans out there in that i believe that that is an unborn child that is in need of protection out there. i have said many a time that that unborn child can be protected, and there are many
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other alternatives that will also protect the life of the mother. that's been consistently proven. unlike hillary clinton, who has a radical position in terms of support for planned parenthood i defended planned parenthood more than four years ago, long before any of these videos came out. i've got a position that is in line with everyday americans. >> governor huckabee like governor walker you had staked out strong positions on social issues. you favor a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages. you favor a constitutional amendment banning abortions except for the life of the mother. millions of people in this country agree with you, but according to the poles, and again this is an electability question according to the poles, more people don't. how do you persuade enough independents and democrats to get elected in 2016? >> chris, i disagree with the idea that the real issue is a constitutional amendment. that's a long and difficult process. i've actually taken a position that's bolder than that. a lot of people are talking
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about defunding planned parenthood as if that's a huge game changer. i think it's time to do something even more bold. i think the next president ought to invoke the fifth and 14th amendments to the constitution. now that we clearly know that that baby inside the mother's womb is a person at the moment of conception. the reason we know that it is because of the dna schedule that we now have clear scientific evidence on. and this notion that we just continue to ignore the personhood of the individual is a violation of that unborn child's fifth and 14th amendment rights for due process and equal protection under the law. it's time that we recognize the supreme court is not the supreme being, and we change the policy to be pro-life and protect children instead of rip up their body parts and sell them like they're parts to a buick. >> senator paul, you recently blamed the rise of isis on
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republican hawks. you later said that that statement, you could have said it better. but the statement went on and you said, quote, everything they've talked about in foreign policy they've been wrong for the last 20 years. why are you so quick to blame your own party? >> first of all, only isis is responsible for the terrorism. only isis is responsible for the depravity. but we do have to examine how are we going to defeat isis. i've got a proposal. i'm the leading voice in america for not arming the allies of isis. i've been fighting amidst a lot of opposition from both hillary clinton as well as some republicans who wanted to send arms to the allies of isis. isis rides around in a billion dollars worth of u.s. humvees. it's a disgrace. we ought to stop it. we shouldn't fund our enemies,
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for goodness sakes. so we didn't create isis. isis created themselves but we will stop them. and one of the ways we stop them is by not funding them and by not arming them. >> governor kasich you chose to expand medicaid in your state, unlike several other governors on this stage tonight, and it is already over budget by some estimates costing taxpayers an additional $1.4 billion in just the first 18 months. you have defended your medicaid expansion by invoking god, saying to skeptics that when they arrive in heaven st. peter isn't going to ask them how small they kept government, but what they have done for the poor. why should republican voters who generally want to shrink government believe you won't use your st. peter rationale to expand every government program? >> first of all, megyn, you should know that president reagan expanded medicaid three or four times. secondly had an opportunity to bring resources back to ohio to
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do what? to treat the mentally ill. 10,000 of them sit in our prisons. it cost $22,500 a year to keep them in prison. i'd rather get them their medication so they can lead a decent life. secondly we are rehabbing the drug addicted. 80% of the people in our prisons have addiction problems. we now treat them in the prisons, release them in the community, and the recidivism rate is 10%. and everybody across this country knows that the tsunami of drugs is threatening their very families. so we're treating them and getting them on their feet. and finally, the working poor instead of having them come into the emergency rooms where it costs more where they're sicker and we end up paying we brought a program in here to make sure that people can get on their feet. and you know what? everybody has the right to their god-given purpose. and finally, our medicaid is growing at one of the lowest rates in the country. and finally, we went from $8 billion in the hole to $2 billion in the black. we cut $5 billion in taxes and we've grown 350,000 jobs.
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>> gentlemen, we're turning to gnaw subject that all you have been talking about and some of you have been disagreeing about that is the issue of immigration. governor bush you released a new plan this week on illegal immigration focusing on enforcement, which some suggest is your effort to show that you're not soft on that issue. i want to ask you about a statement that you made last year about illegal immigrants. and here is what you said. they broke the law, but it's not a felony. it's an act of love. it's an act of commitment to your family. do you stand by that statement? and do you stand by your support for earned legal status? >> i do. i believe that the great majority of people coming here illegally have no other option. they want to provide for their family. but we need to control our border. it's our responsibility to pick and choose who comes in.
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so i've written a book about this. and this week i did come up with a comprehensive strategy that really mirrored what we said in the book which is that we need to deal with e-verify. we need to deal with people that come with a legal visa and overstay. we need to be much more strategic on how we deal with border enforcement, border security. well need to eliminate the sanctuary cities in this country. it is ridiculous and tragic. that people are dying because of the fact that local governments are not following the federal law. there is much to do. and i think rather than talking about this as a wedge issue, which barack obama has done now for six long years, the next president, and i hope to be that president, will fix this once and for all so that we can turn this into a driver for high sustained economic growth. and there should be a path to earn legal status for those that are here. not amnesty, earned legal status which means you pay a fine and do many things over an extended period of time. >> thank you, sir.
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mr. trump, it has not escaped anybody's notice that you say that the mexican government the mexican government is sending criminals, rapists, drug dealers across the border. governor bush has called those remarks, quote, extraordinarily ugly. i'd like you, you're right next to him tell us talk to him directly and say how you respond to that and, and, you have repeatedly said that you have evidence that the mexican government is doing this but you have evidence you have refused or declined to share. why not use this first republican presidential debate to share your proof with the american people? >> so if it weren't for me you wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration, chris. you wouldn't even be talking about it. this was not a subject that was on anybody's mind until i brought it up at my announcement. and i said mexico is sending.
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except the reporters because they're a very dishonest lot generally speak manage the world of politics they didn't cover my statement the way i said it. the fact is since then, many killings murders, crime, drugs pouring across the border are money going out and the drugs coming in. and i said we need to build a wall and it has to be built quickly. and i don't mind having a big, beautiful door in that wall so that people can come into this country legally. but we need jeb, to build a wall. we need to keep illegals out. >> mr. trump, i'll give you 30 seconds. i'll give you 30 seconds to answer my question which was what evidence do you have specific evidence that the mexican government is sending nationals across the border. 30 seconds.
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>> border patrol. i was at the border last week. border patrol people that i deal with that i talk to they say this is what is happening. because our leaders are stupid. our politicians are stupid. and the mexican government is much smarter, much sharper, much more cunning, and they send the bad ones over because they don't want to pay for them. they don't want to take care of them. why should they when the stupid leaders of the united states will do it for them. and that's what is happening whether you like it or not. >> all right. obviously there is a lot more to talk about this. we're going have more questions for the candidates on illegal immigration, plus other key topics including your questions on facebook. >> what will be your plan on making immigration easier for those that want to do it legally? >> what specific steps would you take to contain the growth of isis? >> i would like to know what the candidates are going to do so
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facebook republican debate night. we're going to continue the question news on illegal immigration. we kind of ended with a cliff-hanger there. so let's continue the conversation. governor kasich, i know you don't like to talk about donald trump, but i do want to ask you about the merit of what he just said. when you say that the american government is stupid that the mexican government is sending criminals, that we're being bamboozled is that an adequate response to the question of illegal immigration? >> chris first of all, i was just saying to chris christie, they say we're outspoken, we need to take lessons from donald trump if we're really going to learn it. hey, here is the thing about donald trump. donald trump is hitting a nerve in this country. he is. he is hitting a nerve. people are frustrated. they're fed up. they don't think the government is working for them. and for people that just want to tune him out, they're making a mistake. now he's got his solutions. some of us have other solutions.
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look i balance the federal budget as one of the chief architects when i was in washington. it hasn't been done since. i was a military reformer. i took the state of ohio from an $8 billion hole and a 350,000 job loss to a $2 billion surplus and gain of 350,000 jobs. >> respectful talk about illegal immigration? >> but the point is we all have solutions. mr. trump is touching a nerve because people want the wall to be built. they want to see an end to illegal immigration. they want to see it. we all do. but we all have different ways of getting there. and you're going to hear from all of us tonight about what our ideas are. >> all right. well senator rubio, let me see if i can do better with you. is it as simple as our leaders are stupid their leaders are smart, and all of these illegals coming over are criminals? >> well let me set the record straight on a couple of things. the first is the evidence is now clear that the majority of people coming across the border are not from mexico. they're coming from guatemala, el salvador honduras those
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countries are the source of the people that are coming in majority. i also believe we need a fence. the problem is if el chapo builds a tunnel under the fence, we have to be able to deal with that too. that's why you need an e-verify system and an entry/exit tracking and other things. i agree with the things governor kasich just said. people are frustrated. this is the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigration. there are a million people a year who legally emigrate to the united states and people feel like we're being taken advantage of. we feel like despite our generosity, we are getting taken advantage of. let me talk about the people who never get talked about in these debates. the people who call my office who have been waiting for 15 years to come to the united states and they paid their fees and they hired a lawyer and they can't get in. and they're wondering maybe they should come illegally. these are important issues. we should address it. it's a serious problem that needs to be addressed. otherwise we're going to keep talking about this for the next 30 years like we have for the last 30 years. >> governor walker governor walker, from 2002 to as recently
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as 2013, just two years ago, you supported comprehensive immigration reform, including a path to citizenship. now you say that was a quick reaction to something you hadn't really thought about, and that you changed your mind. other than politics could you explain why in the last two years you have changed your position on a path to citizenship? are there other past positions we shouldn't hold you to? >> chris, i actually said it on your show earlier this year. i acknowledged that. i said i listened to the american people. i think the people across america want a leader who is actually going to listen to them. i talked to state leaders and other officials. i looked how messed up the immigration system in this unto can. most importantly i listen to the people in america. i believe we need to secure the border. have i been to the border with governor abbott in texas and seeing the problems they have there. there is international criminal organizations penetrating our southern borders, and we need to do something about it.
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secure the border, enforce the law, no amnesty and go for a legal immigration system that gives priority to american working families and wages. >> senator cruz some 1400 people submitted questions on this very hot topic of illegal immigration on facebook and a number of them were about the murder of kate steinle in san francisco, allegedly shot down by an illegal. doug bettencourt sent this question. will you support kate steinle's law which would impose a mandatory five-year prison term for an illegal who is deport and returns to this country, and will you defund sanctuary cities for violating federal law? >> chris, absolutely yes, and not only will i support it i have authored kate's law in the united states senate and filed that legislation. i tried to get the senate to vote to pass kate's law on the floor of the senate just one week ago, and the leader of our
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own party blocked a vote on kate's law. you know there was reference made to our leaders being stupid. it's not a question of stupidity. it's that they don't want to enforce the immigration laws. that there are far too many in the washington cartel that support amnesty. president obama has talked about fundamentally transforming this country. there are 7 billion people across the face of the globe, many of whom want to come to this country. if they come legally, great. but if they come illegally and they get amnesty, that is how we fundamentally change this country. and it really is striking. a majority of the candidates on this stage have supported amnesty. i have never supported amnesty, and i led the fight against chuck schumer's gang of eight amnesty legislation in the senate. >> all right, gentlemen. we're going to switch topics now and talk a bit about terror and national security. governor christie you have said
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that senator paul's opposition to the nsa's collection of phone records has made the united states weaker and more vulnerable. even going so far as to say that he should be called before congress to answer for it if we should be hit by another terrorist attack. do you really believe you can assign blame to senator paul just for opposing the bulk collection of people's phone records in the event of a terrorist attack? >> yes, i do. and i'll tell you why. because i'm the only person on this stage whose actually filed applications under the patriot act, who have gone before the foreign intelligence service court, who has prosecuted and investigated and jailed terrorists in this country after september 11th. i was appointed u.s. attorney by president bush on september 10th, 2001. and the world changed enormously the next day. and it happened in my state. this is not theoretical to me. i went to the funerals. we lost friends of ours in the trade center that day. my own wife was two blocks from the trade center that day at her office having gone to it that
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morning. when you actually have to be responsible for doing this you can do it and we did it for seven years in my office, respecting civil liberties and protecting the homeland. and i will make no apologies ever for protecting the lives and the safety of the american people. we have to give more tools to our folks to be able to do that not fewer. and then trust those people and oversee them to do it the right way. as president, that is exactly what i'll do. >> megyn, may i respond? may i respond? >> go ahead, sir. >> i want to collect more records from terrorists, but less records from innocent americans. the foreign amendment is what we fought the revolution over. john adams said it was a spark that led to our war for independence and i'm proud of standing for the bill of rights and i will continue to stand for the bill rights. >> and megyn, megyn, that's -- that's a completely ridiculous answer.
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i want to collect more records from terrorists but less records from other people. how you supposed to know, megyn how are you -- >> you support -- get a warrant. >> let me tell you something. you know -- senator -- >> governor christie make your point. >> when you're sitting in a subcommittee just blowing hot air about this you can say things like that. when you're responsible for protecting the lives of the american people then what you need to do is to make sure is to make sure that that the system works the way it's supposed to work. >> here is the problem, governor. you fundamentally misunderstand the bill of rights. every time you did a case you got a warrant from a judge. i'm talking about searches without warrants indiscriminately of all americans' records. and that's what i fought to end. i don't trust president obama with our records. i know you gave him a big hug. if you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead.
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>> you know -- you know, senator paul senator paul you mow the hugs that i remember are the hugs that i gave to the families who lost their people on september 11th. those are the hugs i remember. and those had nothing to do, and those had nothing to do with politics unlike what you're doing by cutting speeches on the floor of the senate then putting them on the internet within half an hour to raise money for your campaign. >> all right. >> and while still putting our country at risk. >> all right. we have plenty more we want to get to. that was an interesting exchange. thank you for that. i want to move on. we're going to get to you, governor. but i really want to get to our facebook questioner. his name is alex and he has the following question. >> my question is how would the candidates stop isis and its strong influence in the u.s. if they were to become president? >> senator cruz i want to talk to you about this. many of the facebook users and the folks on facebook wanted the candidates to speak to isis tonight.
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you asked the chairman of the joint chiefs a question. what would it take to destroy isis in 90 days. he told you isis would only truly be destroyed once they were rejected by the populations in which they hide. and then you accused him of pushing medicaid for the iraqis. how would you destroy isis in 90 days? >> megyn, we need a commander in chief that speaks the truth. we will not defeat radical islamic terrorism so long as we have a president unwilling to iter the words radical islamic terrorist. when i asked general dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs what would be required militarily to destroy isis he said there is no military solution. we need to change the conditions on the ground so that young men are not in poverty and susceptible to radicalization. that with all due respect, is nonsense. it's the same answer the state department gave that we need to give them jobs.
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what we need is a commander in chief who makes clear if you join isis, if you wage jihad on america, then you are signing your death warrant. >> you don't see it as an ideological problem? an ideological problem in addition to a military one? >> megyn, of course it's an ideological problem. that's one of the reasons why i introduced the ex-patriot terrorist act in the senate that said if any american travels to the middle east and joins isis that he or she forfeit theirs citizenship so they don't use a pass for to it come back and wage jihad on americans. yes, it is ideological. and let me contrast president obama who at the prayer breakfast essentially acted as an apologist. he said gosh, the crusades, the inquisitions. we need the courage that al assisi did when he called out
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the radical islamists who were threatening the world. >> governor bush for days on end in this campaign you struggled to answer a question about whether knowing what we know now -- >> i remember. i remember megyn. >> we would invade iraq. >> i remember it too. and isis of course is now thriving there. you finally said no. to the families of those who died in that war, you say they liberated a country and deposed a ruthless dictator how do you look at them now and say your brother's war was a mistake? >> knowing what we know now with faulty intelligence and not having security be the first priority when we invaded, it was a mistake. i wouldn't have gone. in however for the people who did lose their lives and the family that suffer because of this i know this full well, because as governor of the state of florida, i called every one of them. every one of them that i could find to tell them that i was praying for them that i cared about them. and it was very hard to do. and every one of them said that
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their child did not die in vain or their wife or husband did not die in vain. and so while it was difficult for me to do it it was based on that. here is the lesson that we should take from this which relates to this whole subject. barack obama became president, and he abandoned iraq. he left. and when he left al qaeda was done for isis was created because of the void that we left. and that void now exists as a caliphate the size of indiana. to honor the people that died we need to -- we need to stop the iran agreement, for sure because the iranians mullahs have their blood on their hands, and we need to take out isis with every tool at our disposal. >> governor walker, in february you said that we immediated to gain partners in the arab world. which arab country not already in the u.s.-led coalition has the potential to be our greatest partner? >> we need to focus on the ones we have. you look at egypt. probably the best relationship we've had in israel at least in
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my life incredibly important. you look at the saudis. in fact, earlier this year i met with sawedly leaders and leaders from the united arab emirates and asked them what is the greatest challenge in the world today, set aside the iran deal. they said it's the disengagement of america. we are leading from behind under the obama-clinton doctrine. america is a great country. we need to stand up and start leading again. well would have allies not just in israel but throughout the persian gulf. >> dr. carson in one of his first acts as commander in chief, president obama signed an executive order banning enhanced interrogation techniques in fighting terror. as president, would you bring backwater boarding? >> thank you, megyn. i wasn't sure i was going to get the talk again. >> we have a lot for you. don't worry. fear not. you may rue that request. >> all right. you know what we do in order to get the information that we need is our business and i wouldn't necessarily be broadcasting to everybody what we're going to do.
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you know we -- we've gotten into this mind-set of fighting politically correct wars. there is no such thing as a politically correct war. and the left of course will say carson doesn't believe in the geneva convention. carson doesn't believe in fighting stupid wars. what we have to remember is we want to utilize the tremendous intellect that we have in the military to win wars. and i've talked to a lot of the generals a lot of our advanced people and believe me if we gave them the mission which is what commander in chief does they would be able to carry it out. and if we don't tie their hands behind their back they will do it extremely effectively. >> gentlemen, the next series of questions deals with obamacare and the role of the federal government.
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mr. trump, obamacare is one of the things you call a disaster. >> complete disaster yes. >> saying it needs to be repealed and replaced. >> correct. >> 15 years ago you called yourself a liberal on health care. you were for a single payer system, a canadian-style system. why were you for that then and why aren't you for it now? >> first of all i would just like to go back to one in july of 2004 i came out strongly against the war with iraq because it was going to destabilize the middle east. and i'm the only one on this stage that knew that and had the vision to say it. and that's exactly what happened. >> but on obamacare? >> totally destabilized. i just wanted to say. as far as single payer it works in canada. it works incredibly well in scotland. it could have worked in a different age, which is the age you're talking about here. what i'd like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state. i have a big company with thousands and thousands of
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employees, and if i'm negotiating in new york or new jersey or california have i like one bidder. nobody can bid. you know why? because the insurance companies are making a fortune because they have control of the politicians. of course with the exception of the politicians on this stage. but they have total control of the politicians. they're making a fortune. get rid of the artificial lines, and you will have yourself great plans. and then we have to take care of the people that can't take care of themselves. and i will do that through a different system. >> hold on one second. >> news flash. >> hold on senator paul. >> news flash, the republican party has been fighting against the single payer system for a decade. i think you're on the wrong side of this if you're still arguing for a single payer system. >> i don't think you heard me. you're having a hard time tonight. >> mr. trump, it's not just your past support for single payer health care. you also supported a host of other liberal policies. you've also donated to several
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democratic candidates hillary clinton included nancy pelosi. you explained away those doan nations, saying you did that to get business-related favors. and you said recently quote, when you give they do whatever the hell you want them to do. >> you better believe it. >> so what specifically did they do? >> if i ask them, if i need them. you know most of the people on this stage i've given to, just so you understand. a lot of money. >> not me. not me. but you're welcome to give me a check, donald. >> many of them. that's right. >> not mike. >> i hope you will give to me. >> good sounds good. sounds good to me governor. i will tell you that our system is broken. i gave to many people before this, before two months ago, i was a businessman. i give to everybody. when they call i give. and you know what when i need something from them two years later, three years later, i call them they are there for me. and that's a broken system.
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>> so what did you get from hillary clinton and nancy pelosi? >> well i tell you what, with hillary clinton, i said be at my wedding, and she came to my wedding. you know why? she had no choice because i gave. i gave to a foundation that frankly that foundation is supposed to do good. i didn't know her money would be used on private jets going all over the world. it was. >> hold on. we're going to move back. we'll come back to you governor walker. >> just one minute on this. we spend a lot of time talking about hillary cl clear, we should be talking about hillary clinton on that last subject. everywhere in the world hillary clinton touched is more messed up today than it was before. >> we have many questions to come. governor huckabee on facebook john petriecioni asked this. will you abolish or take away the powers and cut the size of the epa, the irs and the department of education? it is a big concern for facebook
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westerns as well as obviously conservatives. year after year decade after decade there are promises to shrink government. year after year decade after decade, it doesn't happen. in fact it gets biggers even under republican politicians. so the question is at this point, the government simply too big for any one person even a republican to shrink? >> it's not too big to shrink. but the problem is we have a wall street to washington axis of power that has controlled the political climate. the donor class feeds the political class and the result is federal government keeps getting bigger. every person on this stage who has been a governor will tell you that the biggest fight they had was not the other party. it wasn't even the legislature. >> we had to suck up and pay for it. and the fact is there are a lot of things happening at the federal level that are
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absolutely beyond the jurisdiction of the constitution. this is power that should be shifted back to the states. whether it's the epa. there is no role at the federal level for the department of education. and i'm still one who says that we can get rid of the internal revenue service if we would pass the fair tax, which is a tax on consumption rather than a tax on people's income and move power back where the founders believed it should have been all along. >> dr. carson do you agree with that? >> what i agree with is that we need a significantly changed taxation system. and the one that i've advocated is based on timing. because i think god is a fair guy. and he said you know if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you made. if you have a bumper crop you don't owe me triple tithes and you don't have no crops, you don't owe me no tithes. that's why i've advocated a proportional tax system.
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you make $10 billion, you pay a billion dollars. you make 10 billion, you pay one. everybody gets treated the same way. you get rid of the deductions. you get rid of all the loopholes. >> governor bush -- >> and i have a lot more to say about it. >> we're going to come back to you, dr. carson. governor bush you were one of the few people on the stage who advocates for common core education standards, reading and math. a lot of people on this stage vigorously oppose federal involvement in education. they say it should all be handled locally. >> president obama's secretary of education arne duncan has said most of the criticism of common core is due to quote, a fringe group of critics. do you think that's accurate? >> no i don't. and i don't believe the federal government should be involved in the creation of standards directly or indirectly, the creation of curriculum or content. that is clearly a state responsibility. i'm for higher standards. measured in an intellectually
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honest way with abundant school choice ending social promotion. and i know how to do this. because as governor of the state of florida, i created the first statewide voucher program in the country. the second statewide voucher program in the country, and the third statewide voucher program in the country. and we had rising student achievement across the board because high standards, robust accountability ending social promotion in third grade, real school choice across the board challenging the teachers union and beating them is the way to go. and florida's low income kids had the greatest gains inside the country our graduation rate improved by 50%. that's what i'm for. >> senator rubio, why is governor bush wrong on common core? >> i too believe in curriculum reform. it's critically important in the 21st century. we do need curriculum reform. and it should happen at the state and local level. that is where educational policy belongs. because if a parent is unhappy with what their child is being taught in school, they can go to the local school board or their state legislature or governor and get a change
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here is a problem with common core. the department of education like every federal agency will never be satisfied. they will not stop with it being a suggestion. they will turn it into a mandate. in fact, what they will begin to say to local communities is you will not get federal money unless you do things the way we want you to do it amount. they will use common core or any other requirement that exists nationally to force it down the street throats of the people in our state. >> do you agree with your old friend? >> he is definitely my friend. and i think the states ought to create these standards. if states want to opt out of common core fine. just make sure your standards are high. because today in america, a third of our kids after we spend more per student than any country in the world other than a couple of rounding errors, to be honest with you 30% are college and/or career ready. if we are going to compete in this world we're in today, there is no possible way we can do it with lowering expectations and dumbing down everything. children are going to suffer and families' hearts are going to be broken that their kids won't be able to get a job in the 21st century. >> we have many more questions
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digging into some subjects in depth, but we're also going to change it up every once in a while throughout the next hour and have many rounds where we're going to ask, you're not going to like it only a couple of candidates questions on those subjects. this is the first of the mini rounds and it's about somebody whose name probably hasn't been mentioned enough so far tonight. governor kasich let me start with you. whoever the republican nominee -- whoever the republican nominee is it looks at least for now like whoever that nominee is he or she will be facing off against hillary clinton. you know how she will come after whoever the republican nominee is. she will say that you, whoever it support the rich while she supports the middle class, that you want to suppress the rights of women and minorities. she wants to move the country forward while you the republicans want to take the country back to the past. how will you, if you're the nominee, how will you answer that and take hillary clinton on?
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>> well let's start off with my father being a mailman, so i understand the concerns of all the folks across this country, some of whom have trouble making ends meet. but i think she will come in a narrow way. the nominee of this party, if they're going to win has to come at it in a big way, which is pro-growth, which is balancing budgets. owth. which is balancing budgets. we were talking about it. people were saying could we do it? i was the chairman of the budget committee and the lead architect the last time it happened in washington. when we did it we had great economic growth. we kupt taxes and we had a big surplus. economic growth is the key. economic growth is the key to everything. but once you have economic growth it is important that we reach out to people who live in the shadows, the people who don't seem to ever think they get a fair deal. and that includes people in our minority community, that includes people who feel as though they don't have a chance to move up. america is a miracle country. and we have to restore the expense the miracle will apply
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to you. each and everyone of the people in this country who is watching tonight, lift everybody, unite everybody, and build a stronger united states of america again. it will be and can be done. >> i know that all of you would like to answer this question but we're only going on ask one other candidate before we move to a different subject. dr. carson same question to you. if hillary clinton is the nominee and she comes at you with that kind of line of attack how will you take her on? >> if hillary is the candidate, which i doubt, that would be a dream come true. but you know the fact of the matter is she is the epitome of the progressive, the secular progressive movement. and she counts on the fact that people are uninformed. the model taking advantage of useful idiots. i just happen to believe that people are not stupid. and the way i will come at i is
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to educate people. help people to actually understand that is the progressive movement causing the problems. you look at the national debt and how it is being driven up. if i was trying to destroy this country, what i would do is find a way to drive wedges between the people. drive to debt on an unsustainable level and then step off the stage as a world leader and let our enemies increase while we decreased our capacity as a military person. that's what she is doing. >> gentlemen, we'll turn now to the subject of the economy, jobs and money and the government. and governor bush i'm going to start with you. you've made a bold promise in your announcement. you have promised 4% economic growth and 19 million new jobs if you are fortunate enough to serve two terms as president. that many jobs 19 million, would be triple what your father and your brother accomplished
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together. and 4% growth. the last president to average that was lyndon johnson during the height of the vietnam war. so question. how on earth specifically would you pull that off? >> we've done it 27 times since world war ii. i think we need to lift our spirits and have high lofty expectations for this great country of ours. the new normal of 2%, that the left is saying you can't do anything about, is so dangerous for our country. there are 6 million people living in poverty today. more than when barack obama got elected. 6.5 million people are working part time. most of whom want to work full time. we've created rules and taxes on every aspiration of people. the net result is we're not growing fast. income is not growing. a 4% growth strategy means you fix a convoluted tax code. you get in and change every as that he can of job killers. you get rid of obamacare and replace with it something that doesn't suppress wages and kill
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jobs. you embrace the energy revolution in our country. this president and hillary clinton who can't even say she is for the xl i'm that line even after she's left? of course we're for it. we should be for these things to sustain high economic growth. and fixing our immigration system and turning it into an economic driver is part of this as well. we can do this. >> governor walker -- governor walker when you ran for governor of wisconsin, back in 2010 you promised that you would create 250,000 jobs in your first term. first four years. in fact wisconsin added barely half that and ranked 35th in the country in job growth. now you're running for president and you're promising an economic plan in which everyone will earn a piece of the american dream. given your record in wisconsin, why should voters believe you? >> well, the voters in wisconsin elected me last year for the third time because they wanted someone who aimed high and not
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low. before i came in the unemployment was 8%. it is now 4.6%. we've more than made up for the jobs lost in the recession and the rate of people working is almost 5 points higher than nationally. people like hillary clinton think you grow the which i by growing washington. one of the top six counties were in and around washington, d.c. i think most of us understand that people not the government creates joblgs. one of the best things we can do is repeal obamacare, reign in all the out of control relations, put in an all new energy policy. give female skills they need to succeed and lower the tax rate and reform tax code. that's what i'll do. >> governor christie i want to engage and you governor huckabee that is a big subject in both your campaigns. entitlement campaign. you say to save the system you want to raise the retirement age. have to raise the retirement
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age. and to cut benefits for social security and medicare and you say some of the candidates on the stage are lying. governor huckabee says he can save social security and medicare without doing any of that. is he lying? >> no. he's just wrong. there is a difference. listen i'm the only guy on this stage who has put out a detailed 12-point plan and here's why. 71% of federal spending right now is on entitlement and debt service. 71%. and we have spent the last hour and five minutes talking about the other 29%. and no time on the fun%. and that makes no sense. let me tell you exactly what we would do on social security yes. he with would raise the retirement age over 25 years. one month a year for 25 years. when we're all living longer and living better lives. secondly we would means test social security. for those making over $200,000 a year in retirement income and have $4 to $5 million in liquid
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assets saved, they don't need social security check. that is meant for no one who has worked hard and played by the rules grows old in poverty. if we don't deal with this it will bankrupt our country or lead to massive. at a increases. neither one do we want in this country. >> governor huckabee you say the changing entitlements the kind of thing governor christie is talking about, would be breaking a promise to the american people. you say you can keep those programs save social security save medicare without those kinds of reforms through a fair tax. a broad tax on consumption. please explain to governor christie and how you can save these programs without the kind of painful reform he says we need. >> let's all be reminded. 60 million americans are on social security. 60 million. a third of those people depend on 90% of the income from social
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security. nobody in this country is on social security because they made the decision when they were starting work at 14 that they wanted to trust some of their money with the government. the government took it out of their check whether they want them to or not. if a person goes to 65 they will spend 51 years with a government reaching into their pocket at every paycheck. here's the point. whose fault is that it the system is screwed up? is it the recipients or the government? if congress wants to mess with the retirement program, why don't we let them start by changing their retirement program and not have one instead of talking about getting rid of social security and medicare that was robbed $700 billion to pay for obamacare? it is always the government figures they can do this off the backs of people many of whom are poor and depend on that money. i think it is lying to the people and stealing from them and we should not be doing it. >> chris?
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>> 30 seconds. i don't disagree with ending congress's retirement program. i'm a governor and i don't have a retirement program. here's the news for the american people. he is complaining about the lying and stealing. it has already occurred. the trust fund is filled with ious. we can't fix the problem with just congress' retirement. that's worth this much. we need to go to the fundamental problem. this system is broken. it has been stolen from. we need strong leader to fix it. >> 30 seconds finally. >> you ask about how we fund it. one of the reasons social security is in trouble. the only funding stream come from people who get a wage. the people who get wages is declining. most of the income is made by people at the top who get dividends and capital gains. the fair tax transforms the process by which we fund social security and medicare because the money paid at consumption is paid by everybody including illegals pimps, everybody free
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loading off it now. that's why it ought to be a transformed system. >> all right. enough. mr. trump -- >> getting a little r-rated. >> mr. trump, you are the person on the stage to grow the economy. i want to ask you about your business record. trump corporations, trump corporations casinos and hotels have declared bankruptcy four times over the last quarter century. in 2011 you told forbes magazine this. i've used the laws of the country to my advantage. but at the same time financial experts involved in those bankruptcies say lenders to your companies lost billions of companies. question sir work that record why should we trust you to run the nation's business? >> because i have used the laws of this country just like the greatest people that you read about every day in business have
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used the laws of this country, the chapter laws to do a great job for my company, for myself for my employees, for my family et cetera. i have never gone bankrupt by the way. i have never. >> but, sir -- >> excuse me. >> your companies have gone bankrupt. >> what am i saying? out of hundreds of deal, on four occasions, i've taken advantage of the laws of this country like other people. i'm not going to name their names because i won't embarrass them but virtually every personal you read about on the front page of the business sections they've used the law. the difference is when somebody else uses the laws nobody writes about it. when i use it they say trump, trump, trump. i built a net worth of tens of millions. i am very proud of the job i did. hundreds and hundreds of deals. four times i've taken advantage of the laws and frankly, so has
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everybody else in my position. >> well sir let's just talk about the latest example which is trump entertainment resorts which went bankrupt in 2009. in that case alone, lenders to your company lost over a billion dollars and more than 1,100 people were laid off. is that the way that you run the country? >> let me tell but the allegeders. first, they aren't babies. these are total killers. these are not the nice sweet people that you think. you're living in a world of the make believe. you want to know truth. and i had the good sense to leave atlantic city, which by the way caesar's just went bankrupt. every company. chris can tell you. every company virtually in atlantic city went bankrupt. and let me tell you, i had the good sense and i've gotten a lot of credit in the financial pages, seven years ago i left atlantic city before it totally cratered and i made a lot of money in atlantic city and i'm
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very proud of it. i want to tell you. that very, very proud of it. by the way, this country right now owes $19 trill. and they need somebody like me to straighten out that mess. >> senator rubio, senator rubio, more than 3,000 people sent us questions about the economy and jobs on facebook. here is a video question from tanya from philadelphia. here she is. >> please describe one action you would do to make the economic environment more favorable for small businesses and entrepreneurs and anyone dreaming of opening their own business. >> that's a great question. how do you answer tanya? >> first, it begins by having leaders that recognize the economy we live in today was dramatically different than the one we had five years ago. it is an economy that has placed
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us in global competition with dozens of other countries around the world. the big companies that have connections with washington they can effect policies to help them. the smaum companies like the ones she's talking about they're the ones that are struggling. we need to even out the tax code for small businesses so we lower their today. rate to 25% just as for all businesses. we need to have a regular budget in america limits the. of regulations. we need to repeal obamacare and we need to give people access to the jobs they need. and we need to repeal dodd frank. it is eviscerating small businesses and small banks. over 40% of small and mid-size bank that's loan money to small businesses has been wiped out since it was passed. we need to repeal and replace dodd frank. we need to make america fair again for all businesses but especially those being run by small business owners. >> senator rubio, thank you. >> another question for a few of
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you. yesterday, just yerksd president obama criticized republican lawmakers, trying to block the iran deal calling them knee jerk partisans, adding that hard liners in iran who chant death to america were quote making common cause with the republican caucus. here's what two of your opponents on the 5:00 p.m. debate stage said about iran. >> i will tell you one thing. i would rather have carly fiorina over there doing our negotiation than john kerry. maybe we would have gotten a deal where we didn't give everything away. but the issue for us is to have a congress that stands up and says not only no but hell no to this money going to a regime that is going to use it for terror. >> when america does not lead, the world is a dangerous and a tragic place. this is a bad deal. obama broke every rule of negotiation. yes, our allies are not perfect. but iran is at the heart of most
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of the evil that is going on in the middle east through their proxy. >> i want to ask a few of you this. first governor walker. you've said that you would tear up the iran deal on day one. if this deal is undone what then? >> well first off, let's remember. i remember as a kid tying a yellow ribbon on the tree in front of my house during the44 days. iran is not a place doing business. with you reinstate sanctions authorized by congress. you go to congress and put in place even more crippling sanctions in place and then you convince our allies to do the same. this is not just bad with iran. this is bad with isis it is tied together. once for all, we need a leader who will stand up and doing some about it. yet another example of the failed foreign policy of the obama-clinton doctrine. >> senator paul, would you oppose it? >> i opposed it and will vote against it.
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i don't think the president negotiated from a position of strength but i don't immediately discount negotiations. i'm a reagan conservative. reagan did negotiate with the soviets. but you have to negotiate from a position of strength and i think president obama gave away too much too early. if there's going to be a negotiation, you're going to have to believe somehow that the iranians will comply. and i asked this question to john kerry. i said do you believe they're trust worthy? no. how will we get them on comply? i would have never released the sanctions before there was consistent evidence of compliance. >> what do you think of what senator paul just said? >> ronald reagan said trust by verify. president obama is trust butville five. he villifies everyone who disagrees with him. it has nothing to do with party. it has to do with the incredibly dangerous place this world will be as a result of a deal in which we got nothing. we didn't even get four hostages
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out. we got nothing. and iran gets everything they want. we said we would have anywhere any time negotiations and inspections. we gave that up. women that we would make sure that they didn't have any nuclear capacity we gave that up. the president can't tell us what we got. i'll tell what you the world got. the world has a burgeoning nuclear power that didn't as the soviets say we might defend ourselves in a war. but the iranians had said we will wipe israel off the face of the map and we will bring death to america. when someone points a gun at your head and loads it by god you ought to take them seriously. and we need to take that seriously. >> thank you, gentlemen. >> the first debate night of the 2015 presidential debate continues from cleveland after a short time out.
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social issues. governor bush let's start with you. many republicans have been outraged recently by a series of videos on planned parenthood. you now say you would end funding for this organization. however, until lay 2014 right before you started your xanl, you sat on the board of a bloomberg charity that quite publicly gave tens of millions of dollars to planned parenthood while you were a director. how can you not know about these and if you did know how can you help a charity so openly committed to abortion rights. >> i joined because of mike bloomberg's shared commitment for meaningful education reform. that's why i was on it. we never had a debate about the budget. it was presented and we approved it. not item by item. here's my record. as governor of the state of florida, i defunded planned parenthood. i created a culture of life in our state. we were the only state to appropriate money for crisis pregnancy centers.
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we expand dramatically the number adoptions out of our foster care system. we did parental notification laws. we ended. we did all of this and we were the first state to do a choose life license plate. now 29 states have done it and there's a culture where more children are documented. >> did you know? >> no. i didn't know. it doesn't matter. i was working on the board because of education. my record is clear. my record as a pro-life governor is not in dispute. i am completely pro-life and i believe we should have a culture of life that is informed by my faith from beginning to end. did i this not just as it related to unborn babies. at the end of life issues as well. this is something that goes way beyond politics. i hope one day we get to the point where we respect life in its fullest form across the board. >> senator rubio, you favor a rape and incest exception to abortion bans. cardinal dolan yesterday said
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those exceptions are preposterous. he said they discriminate against an entire class of human beings. if you begin that life begins at conception how do you justify ending a life just because it begins violently through no fault of the baby? >> i'm not sure that's a corrected assessment of my record. i would go on to add -- >> you don't favor -- >> i have never said that. and i have never advocated that. i have advocated that we pass a law that says all human life at every stage of develop many is worthy of protection. i think that law exists. it is called the constitution of the united states. and let me go further. i believe that every single human being is in entitled to the protection of our laws whether they can vote or not. whether they can speak or not. whether they can hire a lawyer or not. whether they have a birth certificate or not. i think future generation there's look back at this history of our country and call us barbarians for murdering millions of babies gave a chance to live. >> mr. trump?
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in 1999 you said you were quote, very pro-choice. even supporting partial-birth abortion. you favored an assault weapons ban as well. in 2004 you said in most cases you identified as a democrat. even in this campaign your critics say you often sound more like a democrat than a republican calling several of your opponents on the stage things like clowns and puppets. when did you actually become a republican? >> i don't think they like me very much. i'll tell you what. i've evolved on many issues over the years. do you know who else has? ronald reagan evolved on many issues. and i am pro-life. and if you look at the question i was in business. they asked me a question as to pro-life or choice. and i said if you let it run, that i hate the concept of abortion. i hate the concept of abortion. and then since then i've vechd evolved. and what happened was friends of
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mine years ago were going to have a child and it was going to be aborted. and wasn't aborted. and that child today is a total super star. a great, great child. and i saw that. and i saw other instances. and i am very, very proud to say that i am pro-life. as far as being a republican is concerned, i come from a place, new york city which is virtually, i mean it is almost exclusively democrat. and i have really started to see, some of the negatives as an example, and i have a lot of liking for this man, but the last number of months of his brother's administration were a catastrophe. and unfortunately, those few months gave us president obama. and you can't be happy about that. >> i want to ask you, on the subject of name calling of your fellow candidates, a story appeared today quoting an anonymous donor who said you called mr. trump, a clown, a buffoon, something else that cannot repeated on television.
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>> none of which is true. >> is it true? >> no. but i have pmd mr. trump's language is divisive. i want to win. i want one of these people here or the ones at 5:00 to be the next president of the united states. we're not going on win by doing the barack obama and hillary clinton do each and every day. dividing the country. saying creating a grievance environment. we're going on win when we unite people with a hopeful, optimistic message. that i have message because i was a governor of a state that saw people lifted up. we had high sustained economic growth. our economy grew at double the rate of the nation. we created 1.3 million jobs. we led the nation seven out of the eight years. we were only one of two states that went to aaa bond rating i cut taxes, $19 billion. if you do that the right way, you create an environment where everybody comes up. to give people hope that their life is better because too many people are suffering in america.
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>> 30 seconds. >> first of all, i am very happy that you denied that and i appreciate that vex. he is a true gentleman. he really is. one thing he did say, and i mean that. the one thing he did say about me was my tone. and i also understand that. but when you have people that are cutting christians' heads off, when you have a world that the border and at so many places that it is medieval times, we've never -- it almost has to be asbad as it was. we don't have time for tone. we have to go out and get job done. >> the subject of gay marriage and religious liberty. governor kasich if you had a son or daughter who was gay or lesbian, how would you explain to them your opposition to same-sex marriage? >> i'm an old-fashioned person here and i happen to believe in traditional marriage. i've also. the court has ruled -- >> would you would you -- how would you explain it?
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>> i've said the court has ruled. i just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay. because somebody doesn't think the way i do doesn't mean i can't care about them or love them. if one of my daughters happened to be there, of course i would love them and accept them. you know what? that's what we're taught when we have strong faith. so issues like that issues like that are planted to divide us. i think the simple fact of the matter is this is where i would agree with jeb and i've been saying it all along. we need to give everybody a chance treat everybody with respect, and let them share in this great american dream that we have megyn. i'm going to love my daughters. i'm going to love them no matter what they do. you know what? god gives me unconditional love. i'm going to give to it my family and my friends and the people around me. >> senator paul. in the wake of the supreme court
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ruling on same-sex marriage carol fox on facebook wants to know the following. quote. what will you do to ensure christians are not prosecuted for speaking out against gay marriage? and will christians be forced to conduct business that conflicts with their religious beliefs? >> look i don't want my marriage or my guns registered in washington. if people have an opinion, a religious opinion that is heartily felt they should be allowed to practice that and no government should interfere with them. one of the things that really got to me was the thing in houston where you had the government the mayor, actually trying to get the sermons of ministers. when the government tries to invade the church to enforce its own opinion on marriage that's when it is time to resist. >> governor walker? many in the black lives matter
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movement and beyond believe that overly aggressive police officers targeting young african-americans is the civil rights issue of our time. do you agree? if so how do you plan to address it? if so why not? >> well i think the most important thing we can do when it comes to policing is something you've had a guest on a friend of mine milwaukee county sheriff david clark who has talked to me many times about this in the past. it is about training. making sure that law enforcement professionals, not only on the way in but all the way through their time have the proper training. particularly when it comes to use of force. that we protect and stand up and support those men and women doing their jobs in law enforcement. for the very few that don't, that there are consequences to show that we treat everyone the same in america. >> thank you. >> coming up more of our debate including questions about president obama's foreign policy and these guys and their better ideas. coming up.
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welcome back to cleveland. our next top sic foreign policy. candidates you may not have seen the late developing news today. our fox pentagon team broke earlier this evening about a top iranian general traveling to moscow to meet with russian president vladimir putin. his name is general. he is blamed for hundreds of deaths in iraq and afghanistan. his trip to russia appears to directly violate u.n. skoinls resolutions. to confine him to iran. mr. trump, if you were president, how would you respond to this? >> i would be so different from what you have right now. like the polar opposite.
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we have a president who doesn't have a clue. i would say he is incompetent but i don't want to do that. that's not nice. if you look at the deals we make whether the nuclear deal with 24-hour periods. before you get to the 24 hours, you have to go through a system. you look at sergeant bergdahl. we get a traitor and they get five of the big great killers' leaders that they want. we have people in washington that don't know what they're doing. now -- >> i agree. with iran we're making a deal. you say, we want him. we want our prisoners. we want all these things. we don't get anything. we're giving $150 billion plus. they are going to be -- i'll tell you what. if iran was the stock, you folks should go out and buy it right now. you'll quadruple.
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this is what happened in iran is a disgrace. and it is going to lead to destruction in large portions of the world. >> another new develop many today. senior defense officials tell fox, they strongly suspect russia was behind the cyber attack on the chairman of the joint chiefs e-mail. this comes in the wake of the director of national intelligence blaming the chinese for the largest ever cyber attack stealing personal data of tens of millions of americans. senator cruz in your view have russia and china committed acts of cyber war? if you were president, what would you do about it? >> well of course they have. and over the last six and a half years, we've sustain squenlss of the obama-clinton foreign policy. leading from behind is a candidate. we have abandoned and alienated our friends and allies. and our enemies are stronger. radical islam is on the rise. iran is on the verge of
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acquiring a nuclear weapon. . russia, the general, the iranian general is the head of the quds forces. part of this iranian deal was lifting the international sanctions on general sulemani. the day he flew back from moscow to iran was the day we believe that russia used cyber warfare against the joint chiefs. we need a new commander in chief that will stand up to our enemies and have credibility. it is worth emphasizing that iran released our hostages in 1981, the day ronald reagan was sworn into office. >> president obama declared if syrian president assad used chemical weapons, that's a red line for us. that there would be enormous consequences.
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one year later with overwhelming evidence that assad had in fact used chemical weapons and crossed that red line president obama declined to use military force against the assad regime. as president, would you have used military force there? >> well, what we have to stop sxth about is that we have weakened ourselves militarily to such an extent that it affects all of our military policies. our navy is at its smallest size since 1917. our air force since recent telephone, the commandant of the marine corps said half the units were not ready. and the sequester is cutting the heart out of our personnel. our generals are retiring because they don't want to be part of this. and at the same time our enemies are increasing. our friends can't trust us anymore. ukraine was a nuclear armed state. they gave away their nuclear arms with the understanding we
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would protect them. we won't even give them we turn our back on israel. our ally. and in a situation like that of course obama is not going to be able to do anything. i would shore up our military first. if you don't get military right, nothing else is going to work. >> governor walker as president, what would you do if russian president vladimir putin started a complain to destabilize nato allies estone i can't, lithuania, mirroring the actions in ukraine. >> first, it is sad to think now but probably the russian and chinese government know more about hillary clinton's e-mail server than do the members of the united states congress. and that has put our national security at risk. if i'm president, he won't think about that. putin believes in the old adage, you probe with bayonets. when you find steel you stop. under obama and clinton we found
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a lot of mush. we need to have a national security that puts steel in front of our end ms. i would send weapons to ukraine. work nato to put forces on the eastern border of pole andy and the baltic nations and put back in place the missile defense system that we had in poland. >> governor huckabee, the culter of the american military is definitely changing. women are moving into combat roles, don't ask don't tell has been dropped. now defense secretary ashton carter recently directed the military to prepare for a moment when it is welcoming transgender persons to serve openly. as commander in chief, how would you handle that? >> the military is not a social experiment. the purpose of the military is kill people and break things. it is not to transform the culture by trying out some ideas that some people think would make us a different country and more diverse. the purpose is to protect
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america. i'm not sure how paying for transgender surgery for soldiers sailors, airmen and marines makes our country safer. we've reduced the military by 25% under president obama. the disaster is that we have forgotten why we have a military. the purpose of it is to make sure that we protect every american wherever that american is and if america is calling out for help, in benghazi or at the border then we ought to be able to answer it. we've not done that because we decimated our military. we're flying b-52s, the most recent put in service was november of 1962. a lot of them flying we've only got 44 in service, combat ready. the fact is most are older than me. and that's pretty scary. >> senator, the first budget you proposed at senator cut all
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financial aid to israel. you have since changed your view on that issue. what made you change your mind? >> let's be clear, i'm the only one on the has a five-year budget that balances. i've put pencil to payment. and i said i would cut spending and i've said exactly where. each of my budgets has taken a meat axe to foreign aid. i think we ought to quit sending money to hate us. i think we ought to quit sending it to countries that burn our flag. israel one of those. but even benjamin netanyahu said that ultimately they would be stronger when they're independent. my position is exactly the same. we shouldn't borrow money from china to send to anywhere. why don't we start with eliminating aid to our enemies. >> you still say that israel could be one of the countries that is cut from financial aid. >> i still say exactly what my original opinion is. do you borrow money from china to send to it anyone? out of your surplus, you can
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help your allies. and israel is a great ally and this is no particular animus of israel. what i will say over and over again, we cannot give away money we don't have. we do not project power from bankruptcy court. we're borrowing a million dollars a minute. it has to stop somewhere. >> governor christie, what do you think of that answer? >> listen if we want to deal with these issues we have to deal with them in a way that makes sense. i agree what dr. carson said earlier. the first thing we need to do is strengthen our military. i put out a specific plan. no less than 500,000 active duty soldiers in the army. bring us to a 350 ship navy again and modernize the ohio class of submarines and bring our air force back to 2,600 aircraft ready to go. throws the kinds of things will send a clear message around the world. throws the things we need to work on immediately to make our country stronger and better.
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those are the things we need to be able to do. as we move toward dealing with foreign aid, i don't disagree with senator paul's position that we should not fund our enemies but i believe that israel a priority to fund and keep them strong and safe after eight years of this administration. >> governor thank you. >> bret can i jump in? >> we'll finish up with more questions. >> after the break, we'll let the candidates make their closing statements. their final thoughts and god. stay tuned for that.
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an interesting closing question from facebook. i want to know if any of them have received a word from god on what they should do and take care of first. senator cruz? let's start from you. any word from god? >> well i am blessed to receive a word from god every day and receiving the scriptures and reading the scriptures. and god speaks through the bible. i'm the son of a pastor and an evangelist and i've described many time how my father when i was a child was an alcoholic. he was not a christian. and my father left my mother and left me when i was just 3 years old. and someone invited him to clay road baptist church. and he gave his heart to jesus and it turned him around. he got on a plane and he flew back to my mother and me. i would also note that the scripture tells us you shall know them by their fruits. we see lots of campaign conservatives. but if we're going to win in
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2016 we need a consistent conservative. someone who has been a fiscal conservative, a social conservative a national security conservative. there are real differences among the candidates on issues like amnesty, obamacare, liberty, life marriage and i have been proud to fight and stand for religious liberty, to stand against planned parenthood to defend life for my entire career and i will be proud to continue to do so as president of the united states. >> governor kasich same question. >> well megyn, my father was a mailman. his father was a coal miner. my mother could barely speak english. and their son stands on this podium in the great state of ohio. not only as governor but a candidate for president of the united states. i do believe in miracles. you know i've had a lot of elections. my elections are really not about campaigns.
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i tell my people that these are about a movement. and a movement to do what? to restore common sense. a movement to do things like provide check growth. and a movement not to let anyone be behind. today the country is divided. you ask a question about the police and the difficulty in communities. we've got to unite our country again. we're stronger when we are united and we are weaker when we are divided. and we've got to listen to other people's voices respect 87 but keep in mind and i believe in material of the things that i've read in my lifetime. the lord is not picking us. but because of how we almost human rights because we are a good force in the world, he wants america to be strong. he wants america to succeed. and he wants america to lead. and nothing is more important to me than my family my faith, and my friends. >> governor walker same question.
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>> well thanks megyn. i'm certainly an imperfect man. it is only by the blood of jesus christ that i've been redeemed from my sins. so god hasn't given me a list, a ten commandments of thing for the first day. what god tells us to do is follow his will. ultimately that's what i will try to do. i home people see that in my state. when i have 100,000 protesters at the capitol. it wasn't just how i took on the political battles. it was ultimately how i acted. not responding in kind. not lashing out but just being decent going forward and living my life that would be a testimony to my faith. >> a woman just came to the stage and asked, what about the veterans? i want to hear more about what these candidates will do for the veterans. i put the question to you about god and the veterans, which you may find to be related. >> i think got has blessed us.
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he's blessed the boirt some very good candidates. the democrats can't even find one. and i believe god has blessed our country. this country has been extraordinarily blessed and we have honored that blessing. and that's why god has blessed us. and he's blessed us with young men and women willing to risk their lives and sometimes die in uniform for the safety of our people. unfortunately we have a v.a. that does not do enough for them. i am proud that last year we helped change the law. we change the law to give the power to the v.a. secretary, the ability to fire any executive that isn't doing their job. and it is outrageous they've only fired one person to date. when i'm president of the united states we're going to have a v.a. that cares more about our veterans than veterans who work at the v.a. >> about god and his role but also one of the issues that the public was very interested in
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and we toughed on it earlier is race relations in this country. and how divided we seem right now. what if anything you can do you would do as the next president to help heal that divide. >> i think the bully pulpit is a wonderful place to start healing that divide. we have the purveyors of hatred who take every single incident between people of two races and try to make a race war out of it. and drive wedges into people. and this does not need to be done. what we need to think about instead, i was asked by an npr reporter once why don't i talk about race that often. i said because i'm a neuro surgeon. she thought that was a strange response. i said when i take someone to the operating room i'm operating on the thing that makes they will who they are. the skin doesn't make them who they are. the hair doesn't make they will who they are. and it is time for to us move beyond that. because -- [ applause ]
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our strength as a nation comes in our unity. we are the united states of america. those that want to divide us we shouldn't let them do it. >> now each candidate will make a closing statement. you'll all have 30 seconds to make a closing statement for this debate. we'll start with ohio governor john kasich. >> you know tonight we hear about what people want to do. i want to tell you what i've done. i was a member of the armed services committee for 18 years. i spent a big chunk of my life studying national security issues and our role in the world. number two. i was the cheryl of the house budget committee. and one of the chief architects. the last time we balanced a budget it was the first time we had done it since man walked on the moon. we had a $5 trill surplus and we cut taxes. i spent ten years in the private
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sector learning how business works. and now i'm the governor of ohio and i inherited a state on the brink of dying. and we turned it all around with jobs and balanced budgets and rising credit and tax cuts and the state is unified and people have hope again in ohio. >> governor christie? >> well thank you, megyn. i was born into a middle class family in new jersey. my dad came home from serving in the army after having lost his father worked in the ice cream plant in newark new jersey. was the first person to graduate from college. he put himself through college at night. my mom was a secretary. i was appointed united states attorney on september 10 2001. and i spent the next seven severe of my career fighting terrorism and putting terrorists in jail i'm a conservative pro-life governor in a state where it is tough to be both. a tate like new jersey with lots of democrats.
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still we cut taxes, we balanced budgetsering with fought the teacher's union. this president has had weak leadership which has led to bad choices wefl to stop worrying about being loved and start worrying about being almosted. that's how i'll lead our country. >> senator paul closing statement. >> i'm a different kind of republican. i've introduced a five-year balanced budget. i've introduced the largest tax cut in our history. i stood for ten and a half hours on the senate floor to defend your right to be left alone. but i've also gone to chicago. i've gone to detroit. i've been to ferguson to baltimore because i want our party to be bigger better and bolder and i'm the only one that leads hillary clinton in five states that were won by president obama. i'm a different kind of republican. >> senator marco rubio. >> both my parents were born on to poor families on the island of cuba. they came to america because it
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was the only place for people like them to have a chance. they never made it big. the very purpose of their life was to give us the chance to do what we could. my father was a bar tender. the journey from the back of that bar to this stage, that is the essence of the american dream. it is what makes our nation different i'm running for president because i want that to be possible for the people trying to do that now. i run for president. we can't just save the american dream. we can expand to it reach more people and change more lives than ever before. that's why i'm asking for your vote. so we can make america greater than it has ever been. and make this a new american century. >> thank you. >> senator ted cruz. >> if i'm elected president, let me tell but my first day in office. the first thing i intend to do is to rescind every illegal unconstitutional executive action by barack obama. the next thing i intend to do is instruct the department of
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justice to open an investigation into these videos and prosecute planned parenthood for any criminal violations. the next thing intend to do is instruct the darrel of justice and the irs to start persecuting religious liberty and then intend to kansas tell iran deal and finally move the u.s. embassy in israel to jerusalem. i will keep my word. my father fled cuba and i will fight to defend liberty because my family knows what it is like to lose it. >> dr. carlson, closing statement. >> well i haven't said anything about me being the only one to do anything. so let me try that. i'm the only one that separates siamese twins. [ laughter ] the only one to operate on babies while they were still in their mother's womb. the only one to take out half a brain, although you would think if you go to washington, that someone had beat me to i

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