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hannity on twitter. we hope you set your dvr so you never miss an episode. we take attendance. our feels are hurt if you're not here. thanks for being with us. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. we have new information about the vicious murder on air of a tv reporter and cameraman. that's just moments away. but, right now, why is cnn keeping carly fiorina out of the next g.o.p. debate? tonight, right here "on the record" former hewlett packard ceo and g.o.p. presidential candidate carly fiorina. she surged in the polls that happened after the first g.o.p. debate in august. despite carly fiorina's talk there is talk that cnn won't let carlie compete in their debate. complaining she is not in the top ten of the g.o.p. contenders. how can that be with their surge. cnn is using old polls. polls before the fox debate
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surge. carly fiorina is here to go "on the record." nice to see you, carlie. >> great to be with you, greta. >> do you have a short message right off the top to cnn? >> well, you know, i'm in the top five in every statewide poll. actually, we do have state primaries not national primaries. and each also comfortably in the top ten in every national poll. so maybe then using all these polls from before august 6th is a little bit like keeping a football game -- a football game out of the playoffs because of a preseason game. >> well, what cnn says, their response to this is they don't deny the fact that you are doing so well in the polls since the august debate here on fox news channel. but they say that cnn published that criteria for their debates on may 20th this year. and they thursday claim that the federal election commission guideline make it clear that these criteria cannot be changed after they have been published. i don't know why the fec can tell them how to program but maybe. how do you respond to that? >> well, i just -- i guess i
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don't understand why media companies are deciding who republican primary voters hear from honestly. this is a republican primary debate the are nc should be in charge of it not cnn. the voters should get to decide. i'm here in iowa. new hampshire voters, south carolina voters, georgia voters and others are going it decide. not to cnn. i think it's a silly set of rules. i'm going to keep doing what i have been doing which is to get out there and talk to every single voter i can and take advantage of every opportunity i can to introduce myself and to talk to the american people about why i bring a special kind of leadership to the white house. that's why i'm surging in the polls. >> but i'm sure that you would love to do that in the cnn debate. i mean, in the top ten, and because you are in the top five, i assume that you feel that you should be there. you have you spoken to the rnc and have you, you know, expressed that, look, you know, since the debate on august 6th, i'm number 5 in these polls? >> well, yes.
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we have spoken to the rnc and we don't have to -- we don't need to prove anything to them. all you have got to do is look at the polls. it's clear. i'm in the top five in every statewide poll. more than one. i think it's pretty obvious where i am polling now. i think it's pretty obvious that the more voters get to look at me, the more they tend to support me. and that's really encouraging. of course i would like to be on the debate stage but i don't think cnn is going to determine this election. i think voters are going to determine this election. >> you don't sound angry. i mean, if i would be furious if i had had had like a good showing, you know, on august 6th, like you did. and there has been a dramatic change in your numbers since august 6th. i would be furious. you sort of seem sort of, you know, more accepting of it is that a fair decision. >> not accepting. we're making a lot of noise about it i just find that anger doesn't do much good. i also, as you know, greta, i started out as a
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secretary. i have been used to sort of pushing uphill all my life. i have been used to being under estimated all my life. used to having the rules and deck stacked against me. it's not new. i know how voters react. i know we are packing the vfw halls in new hampshire. and packing the fire stations here in iowa. i know what that means. at this same time in previous presidential elections the polls said jimmy carter, ronald reagan, bill clinton and barack obama couldn't win the people of early primary states decided otherwise. >> do you think cnn could change this rule? do you think they could change it if they wanted to? >> oh, yeah. i do. i think the rnc could ask them to change it. >> there is really good news for you tonight. i was reading the newspaper today, the truth about carlie, "new york times" editorial by a man named tom perkins. he was on the hewlett packard board with you.
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he was part of the group of people who fired you. and now he said he voted to fire you and now he announces it was a mistake and, in fact, the editorial in the paper outlines what he says are your accomplish. s as the ceo. so you have turned him around and now has endorsed you. >> >> you know tom perkins said that to me privately over five years ago. i'm very graduate find that he is saying it graduate find that he is saying it publicly now. i will run on my record all day long. i have never hidden the fact that i was fired from hewlett packard in a board room brawl. i have never been ashamed with that i know when you lead, when you challenge the status quo, you sometimes make enemies. >> the interesting thing is that message that tom perkins, not everybody reads the "new york times" editorial page, if you were on at the stage at the cnn debate, we have a whopping 26 million viewers that night for the two debates. i mean that message about
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hewlett packard and you being proud of it, that's not going to get out because you are not going to be on that stage in that debate. >> you know what, greta, i'm not denying that the fox news debate was important and cnn debate was important. but there are also lots of other ways to get our message out. and please be assured whether i'm on that debate stage or not, i'm not going to be quiet and people will hear my message. >> all right. carly fiorina, g.o.p. candidate. probably number a 5 but not likely to make cnn's top ten because of the way they are doing their polling. anyway, carlie, nice to see you. hope you will come back. >> thanks, greta. s carly fiorina battles it out. donald trump continued to dominate a brand new quinnipiac poll out today has a whopping 28% of republican or republican leaning voters saying they would vote for the billionaire businessman. and today trump speaking to supporters in south carolina.
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they say here there is a different page on the front page. ricardo sanchez, known as elmandrel for his spanish drive time show in los angeles has taken to calling donald j. trump elumbre del peliquin. in other words, man of do you pay. this is on the front page. i don't wear a toupee. it's my hair. i swear. come here. come here. come here. come here. we're going to settle. this you know, barbara walters did it. barbara walters named me the most whatever it is of the year. just come on up here. you have to could -- do an inspection. this is getting crazy. just real quick. we don't want to mess it up too much. i do use hair spray.
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come, come. is it mine? look. >> it is. >> it is, say it, please. >> yes, i believe it is. >> thank you. [ laughter ] and have i ever met you before? >> no. >> no, you haven't. >> but you are very nice, thank you. nice to meet you. somebody has got a very nice wife. i don't know who she is but he has got a very nice. so, i'm on the front page of the "new york times." the first sentence says i wear a toupee, and i don't. i swear to you i don't. we don't need low energy. our country is falling apart. we are getting beaten at every single corner. we don't have one good trade deal out of hundreds. we are losing with everybody. china is taking money like candy from a baby's pocket. japan is sending millions of cars to our shores. millions. we send them beef we send them wheat. they are up here. we are down here monetarily. they are here, we are here. they don't want our beef. they send it back.
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that doesn't last very long. that's called perishable. this is not going to be a election on niceness. it's going to be on toughness. we are tired of the nice. we don't need the nice. we need the competent. and we are going to have such a competent, brilliant presidency. if i win, we are going to make this country so is strong and so powerful and so wonderful, and you're going to be so proud of it. and you know like the people that fought me, they seem to be gone. well, when countries fight us, without fighting we are going to beat them. we will beat them at trade. we're going to have the best military. we are going to have the best of everything. we are going to be so proud. if i am president, you are going to be so proud of our country. you will be the happiest people. i want to thank the people of south carolina have been
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incredible to me. from day one from the first time i came here they saw what was happening. and we are going to indeed make america great again. maybe better than ever before i just want to thank you all very much. this is a great honor. thank you all very much. we have a lot of fun doing it, too. thank you very much. [cheers and applause] >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you very much. ♪ >> the "on the record" political panel is here from the daily beast jackie kucinich and "the washington examiner" chief political correspondent byron york. he says he is going to make us the happiest people. i have got to tell all viewers, we all laughed as he did the do you pay story on the front page of the "new york times." he made some laughs. >> he just creates these moments that you remember. sometimes he has help from jorge ramos or somebody. he creates these moments that people remember. but, the other thing is, he is big.
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he is bigger than other candidates. i was in south carolina at another event this week talking to a lot of voter about trump and the rest of the field. and they simply saw him as a bigger, more powerful, more, possibly more of a leader than the other candidates that's before you get to any other issue. he is he is a bigger guy. >> this election is going to be about competence not niceness. that was the political correctness. he gets criticizes for the language he uses. the audience, these are obviously his followers but they love it. >> yeah. so particularly the base. they want a fighter. they listened to the establishment say year after year after year, this person is electable. we're going to go with this guy because is he is actually win. and they haven't won. so right now you are seeing a little bit of a revolt saying okay, well, this is our horse right now because, look at him, is he not going to be nice. and is going to win. the thing is donald trump hasn't had to answer the
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question how is he going to do all of these things he is promising. >> but is anybody having to answer any of these questions really? everybody is saying he hasn't had to answer. i'm not sure how much anybody else has answered them. i have looked at the quinnipiac poll he is at 28%. his next competition is at 12%. that's dr. ben carson. that's huge. >> well, he has rolled out one position paper, one immigration. he says he is going to roll out others on taxes and the economy. >> he says he is going to raise the taxes on the rich. >> pretty soon. i think actually it's going to be fairly popular when he comes out with this. >> take care of women. he is building the wall. i mean, he is -- and the mexicans are going to pay for it and he is going to get that oil money back from iraq. and the humvees that we left behind. >> and everyone is going to have a pony. >> i didn't hear that one. that one i might go for. >> i may have made that one up. but it's a lot of promises. and a lot of these things, like, for example, the wall is going to be a lot more expensive than he thinks
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it's going to be. >> he says a 0-foot wall. build a 0 story building. >> promises, promises. >> we have to see how solid a lot of the support is is a the love the audience today in south carolina were not his supporter. these are several chambers of commerce from the upstate area. certainly the national chamber of commerce could not be more opposed to trump on immigration. but, these audiences find him, look, what did you just play? they find him very entertaining. so we have to see how that actually translates. >> entertaining translate into votes that's the big question. all right, panel, bad news tonight for former secretary of state hillary clinton. her phone number is in a downward spiral. another quinnipiac poll today asked voters would you say that hillary clinton is honest and trustworthy? a whopping 611% say no. now, that's 4 percentage points worse than just last month. that's not the direction she's that poll to go, jackie. >> she keeps on digger are
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deeper. it's of her own making in so many ways. she makes that snap chat joke about things disappearing and how much she likes it there are are these foibles that keep on coming and they haven't figured out a way to stem the bleeding and for her to turn it around. and, you know, you get these numbers high enough that are not trustworthy, can they be turned around? i don't know. >> there is a problem too with the emails. she created this email system to keep information away from nosiy congressman, from rivals, from inspectors general. and she created it to protect her secrecy. and she can't very welcome out and be really transparent now. >> i wonder if she has been living in a bubble so long. first lady going back to the 1990s. you really are in a bubble. secret service. every time you speak it's in the newspaper. when you think about that snap chat, you think about that, and you think about having a private server in her house. remember her interview with with diane sawyer when she said that they were patrol
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car tuckly bankrupt when she left the white house or whatever the expression was. that was true. the next day like lebron james before he signed multi-million-dollar contract. the day before you are poor. it's almost a tone deafness. >> there are a lot of unforced errors here. you are right, there is a tone deafness. you look at the polls, she also is upside down in the question this person cares about voters like -- issues like me. i can't remember the exact phrasing. but that's another important one. if people don't think she cares about her problems. >> deadly for a democrat. >> totally, absolutely. also, in this quinnipiac poll they did something interesting. they asked what's the word that comes to mind first when you think of this person or that person when they asked about hillary clinton, the top three responses were liar, dust honest, and untrustworthy. >> that is a problem. >> that is bad. >> people who have actually met her one on one have a very different sort of view and like her. it's a sort of clockive voter view which is so dangerous. >> you know who else had
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that problem? mitt romney. mitt romney had that same problem. people who knew mitt romney awesome personality. we didn't get to see that until the documentary came out after the election was over. >> thank you. two tv journalists murdered on air while their colleagues watched in horror are. the colleagues saw the killer. they knew him, they identified him. a news anchor in that newsroom goes "on the record" next. also, the teen accused of rape in elite prep school. you will hear what he said to jurors coming up. after donald trump booted univision anchor jorge ramos during a press conference. ramos said trump was trying to silence him. to silence him. i will tell you what i t
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two journalists murdered live on television. 24 hours later their colleagues trying to keep their composure and do what they do best, deliver the news. >> we want to pause and reflect and we want to share with you once again what made those two so special ♪ just to us but to all of our hometowns at wdbj 7 serve. please join us now in a moment of silence. >> and shortly after that on air tribute, the entire station cast gathering and the news director praising how professional her staff has been during this heart-breaking time. >> i have the greatest news team. you know, i love each and every one of them. they have performed so well. i have watched anchors and others halve appear hour before the newscast crying and then get on the set and deliver the news to southwestern and central virginia. >> wdbj anchor was in the newsroom when they figured out the identity of the
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shooter and called police. jean goes "on the record." welcome back tonight. >> thank you, greta. i haven't walked in your shoes, i don't want to walk in your shoes. how would you describe it today. >> today the exhaustion has begun to set in as well. the station brought in grief counselors, instead of planning the next newscast people were gathering around and listening to grief counsels talk about what's normal to feel and helping us grieve. there were tears shed there have been emotions all over the place. moments of tears one moment. as you heard our news director say and then a few minutes later we're anchor ago newscast. make sure when we are anchoring we have more than one anchor on set. if one of us has a moment where we are broken up and need a break, there is
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somebody else to hold us up and pick us up and keep going. that's been very helpful. >> what happened yesterday -- i mean, after the shooting occurred and your whole -- you are in operation, you are doing news did. people actually look at the replay you to identify the killer? how did that happen? >> i don't know exactly everything that happened with that. i do know that at one point my assistant news director called me over and said, jean, look at this. and i leaned over to his computer screen and that still image that we saw yesterday morning taken from adam ward's camera of the sideways shot of that man holding a gun out his face was in the corner of the screen. and my assistant news director and i both looked at each other and he said to me who does that look like and we both said oh, my gosh. that looks like bryce. and it hit us we think we know who this person is. and i you believe that it was that image and that
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recognition that helped police capture him. >> i think the shooting was 6:45 a.m. how long after that shooting had the newsroom thought this is our former colleague >> i'm not exactly sure what time it was. i would say when i saw that picture, it was maybe -- i got to the station about 8:00. it was maybe about 9:00. however, having said that, it's possible that my manager saw it earlier and communicated with police why recognize this guy. we may have a lead for you adam's life was extinguished, murdered. his fiance, they were supposed to get married. and i read one report that
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yesterday afternoon her wedding dress was delivered. is that report correct? >> i'm not sure about that. i do know they are planning a wedding. i know she is just devastated. she posted something on facebook today saying her future has been robbed of her and she is not going to be okay for a long time. she loved adam with her heart and soul. she is heart broken. i have not talked to her myself. i know that one of our reporters was supposed to be in their wedding. so a lot of close knit people here at the tv station. can i only imagine what melissa is going through right now. we are here for her. and we will help her as we can get through this. jean, thank you for joining us. you never wanted to be the story. not one like this one. thank you very much, jean. >> thank you, greta. >> and an angry and rambling letter sent by that killer of those young tv journalists, that letter sent to a local pawnshop owner and is now in the hands of the police. but "on the record" got to
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wdbj is beginning the long road to healing and moving on. so many questions linger as to how and why. vester lee flanagan also known as bryce williams that very reporter at that news station cold blooded kill are and carry out this vicious crime. give jenkins spoke to the general manager. >> i would like to say everyone is doing great. that's not true.
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everybody has a high level of emotion about the terrific thing is that they are pushing on, meeting deadlines, and doing the job that we're here to do, which is to inform the public. they take that job -- that role very seriously here. it's engrained in them by a serious news management team. and i couldn't be prouder of the way they are doing it. >> what have we learned in the last 24 hours as you and everyone begins to look back on motivations and why this happened, why this live shot? why alison and adam? >> those are questions we may never have the answer fully for. this fellow, when he was a troubled fellow here as an employee ha h. runs in with many people, producers, other reporters. photographers, members from management. everybody trying to coach him and support him into improved performance and less anger, if you will.
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that coach canning didn't take. and he had to leave. it was a level of anger nobody was comfortable with. and but the bottom line is, after that, you know, filed his action. it was dismissed. we investigated the ludicrous claims he made then and some which he repeated in that alleged manifesto. the eeoc investigated. there was no there there. it's not the kind of place we are, the place he may have described. and but that faded out. and now we are more than two years later. and what went on in his head in that amount of time, i can't imagine. but i'm not spending much time imagining it, either. because he is gone. he did what he did, and he is a coward. i'm angry.
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i don't express anger by screaming and yelling. but i need to do what others here need to do, which is turn that anger into positive action. nothing will bring these two wonderful kids back, nothing. and if we can learn something from it, fine. i want to. otherwise, i don't want to dwell on it i want to let the police do their job. and we will move forward with our mission. >> and new tonight, the crime scene about 40 miles from here on smith mountain lake where alison and adam were gunned down. that crime scene now reopened at the bridge water plaza. a new wooden planks where their bodies had fallen. as well as news today, greta, that the search warrant for vester flanagan's car with bizarre contents, including wigs, other license plates, and, of course, the weapon m.o. and magazine. greta? >> griff, thank you. investigators are now poring
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over bryce williams'' past search over clues to figure out why he murdered those two younger colleagues. ted williams spoke to a pawnshop owner who received a scathing letter from bryce williams after purchasing the tv. that letter giving some clues into the murderer's demeanor. >> it was basically an uneventful sale for us. but about a month later we got a scathing 9-page letter about how the clerk didn't say thank you when he purchased the tv. he was angry that no one said thank you. he felt very slighted because no one said thank you. he felt like if we were to say have a nice day, which the clerk did do, that it wasn't sincere and should be reserved for family members. he was very, very bitter individual and nine pages of why he was unhappy about the purchase. >> you must have been shocked. i'm guessing most customers don't come in and then write angry 9-page letters nine or
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so days later. honestly we thought nothing of it. we thought a sane person wouldn't have that response. >> and former homicide detective ted williams joins us. ted, boy, this guy is unforgettable if you met him. it sounds like he left a long trail of things that he was doing causing all sorts of problems for people. >> well, greta, i have got to tell you, this pawnshop and gun shop owned by doug brent has an eerie similarity because this was the pawnshop and gun shop that was involved in the virginia tech massacre 10 years ago. but this guy, vester flanagan goes in to that pawnshop, buys a television, greta, they didn't say thank you. so what he did was wrote a 9 page letter to him and some of what he said very is eerie. he said to them in the
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9-page letter in the rant, is this a rant? you betcha it is. at this point, are you bored? are you defensive? do you think i'm just a crazy lunatic? if not, keep reading. i'm not finished yet. just going on and on. this was, greta, an inner look into the mind of a mad man. >> you know, ted, indeed look into the mind of a mad man. also looking into the mind of a very evil man. you don't take down two people and kill them in cold blood like he did. everyone keeps saying mad and troubled and everything. i will stick with evil on this one. ted, thank you. >> my pleasure. and you are about to meet an extraordinary good man. he could have run the other way. instead, he ran into danger to try to save a cop from being murdered. that good samaritan. an unbelievable guy you are going to meet. that's next. plus, the teens is he didn't
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(vo) at&t and directv are now one- bringing your television and wireless together- and taking entertainment to places you'd never imagine. (rick) louis, i think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. a bloody scene in louisiana as another police officer shot dead in the line of duty just this week. in louisiana, the suspect, harrison wiley stabbed three women in his home in sun set, killing one of them. and when sun set police officer henry nelson responded to the call for help, wiley opened fire, shooting and killing the officer. wiley then took off and crashed through a mini-mart where he barricaded himself inside before a swat team used tear gas to force him out. he is under arrest. earlier this week, the most unbelievable act of courage and decency a good samaritan put his life on the line to capture another dangerous and deadly cop-killing suspect in louisiana.
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state trooper stephen vincent shot in the head and then taunted by his killer and left to die. robert ledoux saw the cop down, saw the suspect, and he jumped into action, risking his own life. louisiana state police superintendent mike edmundson went "on the record" and praised ledoux's bravery. >> thankful these good samaritans, you know. for this gentleman to, without any thought or anything, he went right to where that trooper was lying on the ground, knocked guy down, took the trooper's handcuff and handcuffed him and got on the state police radio and started calling for help. those were true heroes. that gentleman and three other individuals that stopped and helped. >> and we are so lucky because we got to talk to that good samaritan, robert ledoux earlier this week. here he is. >> good evening, sir. i know that you are a very humble man, but are are an amazing man. i can tell you that everyone is so proud of what you did. so i just want to thank you, because i know that -- you know, it's extraordinary what you did.
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do you realize that? >> no. it still hasn't gotten to that point yet. >> when you drove up, as i understand it, people were flagging you off. go away. there is danger there tell me what happened. >> just decided to go for a sunday drive and we got to the intersection of the two roads and young guy jumped and said don't go down there. that guy has got a gun. it just clicked in my head that, you know, he said the guy has a gun. he didn't say the state trooper had the gun. he says the guy has a gun. and, you know, i could see the unit down the road with the lights going. i just took off down there. and the closer i got, the more i realized trooper was laying on the ground bleeding and the subject was standing on top of him, leaning over him, you know, going through his pockets is what t. looked like.
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the closerrer i got he was trying to poll the gun out of his holster. i jumped out of the jeep and decided to do what i did. >> what did you do. >> ran toward him and tackled him as hard as i could. kind of what ray lewis did to quarterbacks. didn't think about it. just hit him. weave landed on the ground and i was on top of him. , holding him down with one hand and had my phone in the other hand and was calling 9111. the man hot state trooper who died, did you know him, sir? >> yes, i did. i didn't know it was trooper vincent until until a little bit further than going on down, you know, after everything started of going on. i was able to go check on the trooper, secure his weapon out of his holster. i grabbed a radio and keyed it up and told them, you know, who i was and told them that they had an
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officer down we need medical attention out here. and reached across and unlock dollars the driver's door, because that's where trooper vincent was. i ran around back to the other side and he -- trooper vincent started to vomit. so i rolled him on to his side, still not knowing who he was. i couldn't tell. once i cleared his mouth out, someone's i rolled him over his name stuck out like a knee nationwide neon sign who. getting on the radio and telling them ohio was. where we was at. and that we needed air medicine here because that was the fastest way he was going to get to the hospital. we were in the middle of nowhere. i told them that the subject was in custody.
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and i remember going back down to help steve. >> mr. ledoux, you know, i can't tell you how sorry i am that your friend died, a brother of your friend. i know that for every single police officer in that community across the country and everybody else, you know in spite of all our sorrow there are few people like you that would do something heroic. it could have been a whole lot worse. others could have been hurt. he could have gotten away. great sadness for everybody. i must say that i admire you immensely, sir. >> thank you. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> and you can see my entire interview with this incredible man. it's really worth watching because he is so extraordinary. just go to gretawire.com. and defense attorneys in elite prep school rape case taking a chance by putting taking a chance by putting their client on the witness why am i so awake?
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the rape trial at an elite new hampshire prep trial drawing to a close as lawyers finish their closing argument. owen labrie is accused of raping a 15-year-old school freshman known as a senior salute. labrie took the witness stand to tell jurors his side of the story. >> what did you interpret the word yes referring to? >> um, she was accepting my invite. >> was there anything to indicate whatsoever that this was something [bleep] >> no. no. >> you had mentioned earlier that the two of you were often laughing and giggling. did that continue through this activity? >> yes. >> and who was laughing and
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giggling? >> both of us. >> you had a crush on her? >> yes. >> that means you wanted her sexually, correct? >> um, i wouldn't use those words. >> what words would you use to define the crush? >> i thought she was cute. i thought she was nice. >> you didn't want to kiss her that day? >> um, you hadn't thought about it like that. >> [inaudible] >> it can. >> told sex [bleep] before. correct? >> not in those words, i but, yes, i did. >> the "on the record" legal panel is here. former prosecutor katy -- katie phang former prosecutor. we beeped it because he used inappropriate language but because he its mentioned the accuser's name and we have elected not to show her face
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or to give her name. katie, your thought of this young man on the witness stand? >> oh, as a former prosecutor, i would have loved to have have gotten my hands on labrie on cross-examination. he wants this jury to believe that with the victim lying there naked, with him having a condom because, remember, he just testified that he didn't have sex on the brain when he went to go hook up and slay the victim in this case. that he was -- he stopped himself from having sexual -- further sexual contact with the victim. well, greta and ted, he also had to admit on cross-examination that he deleted 119 facebook messages confirming that he had sex. and then he has to admit on cross-examination that he lied to his friends when he told them that he had sex why? because he wanted to seem luke he was cool. >> katie, you have told your side of the story. now there is another side of this story when you look at labrie. i you think, number one, i
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rarely would want to put my client on the stand in a case of this nature. it's a he say, she say. he was on the stand. i think he connected with this jury. and one of the things was that his partners, his friends got on the stand and said that he informed him -- them, that he had had sexual intercourse with this young girl. well, he explained that. that he really didn't have it. but he was bragging to his friend. and you got men on that jury and men can understand other men bragging about their sexual prowess when it didn't happen. >> you know -- >> -- the one thing you didn't hear. >> go ahead, katie. >> but here's the problem, ted, you did not hear from anyone other than the defendant where were the rest of the defendant's friends take the stand he told me from the truth from the very beginning that he never had sex. his problem is that he denies intercourse at all. his sperm is on her underwear. the d.n.a. has confirmed it
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he has got serious problems. >> katie, well, no, here is the problem the young ladies didn't come forward right away. when she came forward, she told a nurse that it was consensual. she also went back and forth with with emails in a very improper manner like there was no rape. she also told her friends that she was only going to go in to kissing at this senior salute. her friend got on the stand and said that she informed her that she was willing to engage in sexual acts. katie, i don't know where this is going, but i can tell you that there is some doubt here. >> let me get my 30 seconds in. and, look, i don't know what happened, they are both so young. at 18 you become an adult and held an adult. what in the world is going on at this school. i cannot believe this school didn't know about this senior salute. he think that probably they looked the other way. this has probably been going on for decades. these are barely children.
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i mean, it's like. and i don't know what happened. but, you know, their lives are both going to be ruined because of this. and, you know, what kind of so-called elite private school or elite prep school has environment like this? but, anyway, that's -- i'm taking the last word on that. ted and katie, thank you both. and coming up, does univision anchor jorge ramos has the right to ask any questions any time? he thinks so.
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11 million. >> go ahead. >> you cannot deport 11 million people. you can't. >> go ahead. >> you cannot -- >> sit down. please. you weren't called. >> i'm a reporter and i have -- >> go. >> i have the right to ask a question. >> did you hear what ramos said as he was being escorted out he says he has the right to ask questions. not exactly. there is freedom of speech. but he was demanding trump answer his questions. that's different. the constitution does not require anyone to answer questions. even the police can't demand that. and as it turns out, ramos was later readmitted to the news conference. he asked his questions and donald trump answered them. this dust-up, no one died. ramos should not make a big deal out of this. let's face it. he wasn't there to ask probing questions of a presidential candidate. he had an agenda. he wanted to pick a fight. and he got it. that's not journalism. go to my facebook page right now, comment there and tell me what you think and that's
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