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thank you for watching this special edition of the factor. i am bill o'reilly please always remember the spin starts right here. because we are definitely looking out for you. it is a proes test movement born of controversy that now finds itself mired in the same as black lives matter becomes a phrase heard in households across this country, there are growing questions about the group's goal, its message an what the americans thigs about it activists. i'm megyn kelly. it began in 2012 when an unarmed black teenager named trayvon martin was killed by george zimmerman. the incident inspired the
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country's first black president to suggest that african americans look at these kinds of issues through a quote different set of experiences. ooh little over a year later a young black man named michael brown was shot in ferguson, missouri, killed by a white police officer who was never charged by the grand jury and ultimately exonerated by the department of justice. by the time that officer's name was cleared, the movement had already accepted the narrative that cops killing young black americans had become an epidemic. and indeed cases continued to make the headlines. eric garner, freddie gray, sandra bland to name just a few. police were found not responsible if most of these cases but those results were questioned and soon the protests took on a confrontation tall tone. the chants of black lives matter began to be mixed with messages aimed straight at the police. such as what do we want, dead cops.
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when do we want them? now. pigs in a blanket, fly them like bacon. two cops were executed in new york city by someone seeking revenge for the police shootings highlighted by the media. more recently they've been seen storming the stages of presidential campaign stops and were even offered an endorsement from the democratic national committee which they rejected. then in texas a cop is gunned down for no apparent reason while filling his cruiser with gasoline. the man accused of the murder is black and the months of quiet frustration on the part of some police departments has since gone very public. >> our system of justice absolutely requires law enforcement be present to protect our community. so at any point when the rhetoric ramps up to the point where calculated, cold blooded assassination of police officers happen, this rhetoric has gotten out of control. we've heard black lives matter. all live matters.
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well cops' lives matter. drop the qualifier and say lives matter. take that to the bank. >> we say so often there's a theme, do black lives matter. and at the end of the day, we have to ask yourselves, do all lives matter, regards of race, creed, color, economic status, what profession that person holds, all lives matter. >> you've got all of these different groups saying black lives matter, police lives matter, all lives matter. >> here we have a movement with hundreds of people standing behind a black lives matter banner discrediting themselves. they've done it before. when it is time for senior administration official to discredit them as well. these are people who are tugging as hard as they can and tearing at the fabric of trust between our community and law enforcement. it's time to push them to the margi margins. >> the disgusting nature that the movement has maken, the slime that i talk about.
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but they have the same attitude about black on black crime, no big deal, nothing to see here. i think the president of the united states, because he weighted into this after the days in ferguson where he breathed life into this anti-cop sentiment that now exists in the united the statement that our law enforcement officers have a fear of people that don't look like them. >> tonight, we will speak with a panel of americans on all sides of the debate. we'll take a look at what the protesters want, what the protesters are doing, how we got to this place and the bushback that the protests are getting in the black community. we've got cops here, we've got activists here, lawyers here. so we wanted to hear directly from you. let's start with the point that the police officers were making on the kelly file and other shows this week, which is that they believe the black lives matter protest group as delegitimized itself thanks to actions like pigs in a blanket,
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fry them like bacon. bill stanton, tell me what you think. >> i see self seg grags and soft racism. all lives matter. they're segregating themselves. what do i mean by soft racism, the racism is against the color blue and it's a soft endorsement to any fringe group or nut to take the life of a cop. that's not good for anyone. >> does anyone disagree with that? >> i think i take issue first and foremost with the constant refrain that all lives matter. but the only reason we have to say that black lives matter is traditionally in the country, they're the lives that have been demattered. what's the matter with you. my knee matters. and the doctor says you know what, i need to look at every single body of your matter because your body matters. that's not helpful. to say that all lives matter, all right, cool, we understand
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that all live matter. but end of the day, when we're looking at what is going on in america, it doesn't seem to be the place. >> steve go ahead. >> certainly if all lives truly did matter, we wouldn't be talking about black lives matter tonight. it's kind of like the equivalent of saying you're pro-life but only being pro. birth. in other words once you come out of the womb, your life is irrelevant. according to some politicians who believe that childcare and education, higher ed, that's a secondary thought. >> do you think it diminishes the black lives movement to say all lives matter? >> i think so. it's disingenuous. >> you too? >> all lives are supposed to matter but all lives are not being killed by police disproportionately. all lives are not being stopped and frisked by police. all lives are not being
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brutalized by police. i think people are focusing on the name of the movement, black lives matter as opposed to focus on the message of the movement to end police brutality. >> darren, go ahead. >> as a prior police lieutenant, i understand the movement. however, when officers are being killed and this rhetoric is being spread, something needs to be done. and this campaign is going on and on but something has to come to amends. we need to mend these fences between police and community. this black lives matter movement hasn't been doing that. >> the cops coming on the show this week expressed genuine, if not fear, concern, real concern for member of the police community given the rhetoric that we're hearing. that pigs in the blanket, fry them like bacon, that's exactly what the guy who executed the two cops posted on social media before he killed them.
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are the cops right to be afraid and concerned many. >> i think the proof is in the pudding. look what's going on here. how would dr. king respond to what's going on? 1955, montgomery, what did he write about? i will outthink you, i will outprou outpersuade you, i will not be violent, i will not threaten because that's not the way to solve the problem. i will turn you around because i will let you punch yourself out and then i will hug you. >> does anybody worry about -- sorry. go ahead. >> i'm from the great state of ohio and i believe that all lives will matter when black lives matter. what we're seeing is i think it's going to get worse. and the police ought to be afraid. when we're hearing reports that every 28 houshs a black person is murdered by police, it feels like we're in a war. and we know that the police here are sending over their people to
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places like palestine to get trained by the israeli government. >> what do you mean police ought to be concerned? what kr you saying about that? >> it feels like we're in a war. people keep bringing up martin luther king. >> you totally just threatened the police. i understand some of the stuff you're saying. there's a time in this country where the police were sort of the agent to thwart any social change. that is not the world that we live in today. and probably the best evidence of that is the fact that we have now gay marriage is the law of the land of this country. we're not living in the same world as before. the police are here to protect us. making idle threats to people -- they're not idle anymore. making terrorist tick threats to anybody, especially police officers i think is just wrong . >> i'm the daughter of a police officer who served on the lapd
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for 20 years. i think police need to be respected and held to the highest standard, the black lives matter protesters have a point. getting caught up in the names and the threats is not going to get us to a solution. >> do you think it was a mistake, pigs in a blanket and fly them like bacon. >> yes it was a mistake. >> i'm sure there are wonderful people involved in the black lives matter movement. but the fact is all of those voice of reason are being drowned out by the heinous statements. >> i'm a radio host and i'm also the daughter of a police officer. i can toll you one thing. when i look at the black lives matter movement, i want to identify with it, i want to join into the cause, i can't join in with a movement that talks about killing within when i know what my father went through for 25 years. they are killing the idea that they can coopt and gather in support by using tactics that
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offend and repel the people they want to -- >> these people in support of the black lives matter movement, are you worried about the skyrocketing murder rates we're seeing in major cities which they're saying is in part they believe due to the threats that are being made to the police officers and the prosecutions we're seeing of police officers, the threats of prosecution that don't wind up being valid because cops are worried about doing their job? go ahead, mike. >> one of the panel said blacks are being murdered, 700 a year by cops. there are deaths a the the hands of police. these deaths happen for a reason. cops aren't going out purposefully murdering people. >> most cops are not. >> they're defending themselves, they're defending other people. they have means available to them and they have to use them.
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>> go ahead. >> there's always going to be a situation where an officer shoots someone by accident. these guys are coming -- my father was in law enforcement for 25 years. these guys are coming out there, they don't know if they're going to go home at night. this whole black lives matter movement, white lives matter movement, when you start segregating all of the different movements, we're asking for trouble. it really boils down to a couple of people didn't agree with all lives matter. but it does come down to all lives matter. you can't segregate all of these different races because we are one people first of all. >> and yet that is what the politicians in particular are being asked to weigh in on. we're going to pick this up. this has been a hot button issue on the 2016 campaign trail as protesters disrupt events and the candidates are asked to weigh in on the movement and the language. how should the politicians handle what some are now calling -- this is the critic's
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like bacon. pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon. >> that was a chant heard in minneapolis a day after darren goforth had been shot and killed execution style. that question comes after we have seen the protests spring up repeatedly on the campaign trail with activists shouting down candidates, demanding recognition, forcing one event to be canceled. so what does this mean for 2016? how should the candidates handle this group and what about those who have already expressed support for the cause. let's bring back our panel now. let's start with the democratic narnl committee. it may have been a case of bad timing, no soon are than we hear this chant and we have a cop get shot, then the democratic national committee comes out and say, we endorse the black lives matter. the timing is dicey.
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the black lives matter said, you know what? we don't want your endorsement. should anybody be endorsing this group given the controversy? >> i don't think an endorsement is needed. we saw a change in the last ten days when the black lives movement stormed hillary clinton. they have a ten-point policy plan clear and spelled out in terms of what they're looking for in terms of criminal justice reform. we have a systemic poverty crisis, need criminal justice reform. but politicians on both sides of the aisle need to be speaking to this group. neither side can win without this coalition if we're talking purely in terms of votes. >> what do you think -- >> every violent chant is not necessarily representative of
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that movement. talking about martin luther king -- >> no one from black lives matter came out and condemned these comments. >> if they're organized enough to have a ten-point plan, aren't they organized enough to say those folks in minnesota do not speak for us. that is not our message of pigs in a blanket >> we need to separate the intent of the movement from a few fringe extremists -- that's the problem here. look. the ku klux klan is no more representative of christianity for example as certain extremists in the black lives matter movement is representative of the intent. and the intent is there's been systemic racism occur in the shadows, police misconduct that most of the nation is not aware of. black lives matter too. they matter also. not to they matter to the exclusion of any other person or race. >> go ahead in the back, stacy.
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>> how is it an extremist side part of the black lives matter movement when in ferguson i stood there and watched all of the protesters step up to the lines of police protecting the police department in ferguson and tell them, we know where your wives live, we know your addresses, we're going to rape your wives, rape your children. they were in these men's faces spitting in their faces. it was the majority of the protests. >> and they would have a lot more credence, you want me on your side, go to the inner cities. discuss the black on black crime where lives are lost in chicago, in ferguson, in l.a. >> let's focus on the cops. >> you hit it right on the button. like al sharpton, he'll get up there on his billy pulpit and talk all kinds of nonsense. but he's not going into the communities saying why are you killing each other. why are you doing drugs. >> look at the crowd get fired
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up about al sharpton. in the back. >> i think that the dnc has endorsed black lives matter, divisive as it is, shows how far they've drifted from the great democrats of a generation ago. this is a divisive message. and i think the american people in next year's election is going to look for somebody to bring us together. there's so many things pulling us apart, economics, race, a lot of the big issues that are boiling. and the next president is really going to have to pull this county back together. >> what are the republicans supposed to do. you've seen the republicans reaching out to the african american community, rand paul has done that, chris christie is starting that. however they're in a difficult position because with the black lives matter movement it's become this thing whether you're with law enforcement or with the black lives moment. and you heard ted cruz come out and say i stand with law enforcement. so they're basically giving up the black vote if they do that.
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>> i direct a team that investigates police involved death cases. does it trouble anybody here that the people that are the most vocal, the president of the united states, former attorney general eric holder, al sharpton couldn't even pass a basic police officer background exam? doesn't that bot bother anybody? doesn't it bother you that the false narratives that this -- >> that hands up, don't shoot. >> exactly. the ferguson case that started hands up, don't shoot based on lies. and when you look at this politically, what happened to that witness that made that statement, that started this whole thing? he was never even prosecuted. what happened to all of the protesters that went into those stores in the black community and burned those things to the ground. none of those people were prosecuted. >> those are all great questions which we'll hold over to --
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we're going to pick this up after the break. there's plenty more we have to get to. we're going to hear from al sharpton in a moment because clearly this group has thoughts on him. he was one of the democrats who was quick to blame the angry rhetoric of the tea party when a crazed gunman opened fire in tucson back in 2011. where are the voices on the angry rhetoric we're hearing today? we'll look at that when we come back. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.
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i'm patricia stark. a somber day in shoe on the, thousands of law enforcement officers paying their respect to the sheriff' deputy gunned down last week. the officers stood at attention to form a wall at the church. darren goforth was killed by pumping gas. a 30-year-old man faces capital murder charges in the case. hillary clinton admitting her use of a private e-mail system at the state department wasn't the quote best choice. in an interview the presidential candidate said she didn't stop and think about her e-mail setup when he became the secretary of state. but clinton added this shouldn't raise questions about her judgment. i'm patricia stark mop now back to our special "kelly file."
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for all of your headlines, log on to fox news.com. wel kom back to the kelly file special now on the black lives matter protests. travel back for a moment to 201 is when a crazed gunman opened fire in a few son parking lot and some democrats took to the air waves for week pointing their finger at the angry rhetoric of the tea party. >> as chuck schumer was saying, in politics, in the media, in the public square, fashion our rhetoric so that it does not incite but informs. >> so it may be constitutionally permissible but it shouldn't be accessible rhetoric. we shouldn't invite it on the video shows or tv without comment. it goes too far. >> the discourse in america, the discourse in congress in particular to answer your question very specifically has really changed.
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and i'll tell you, i hesitate to place blame, but i have noticed it take a very precipitous turn towards edgeness and a lack of savilety with the growth of the tea party movement. >> i think all of us need to say our rhetoric we need to check. none of us should become so defensive that we say we're not going to change. we all need to see if there is change required, change needed. and all realize there are some unbalanced people here in the country that anything can trigger. >> anything can trigger. we heard repeatedly that the language on the right was incendiary and dangerous. now consider what we've heard from the same folks as the black lives matter protests groups and their marches have spread across the country, including this now infamous moment in december in
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new york city. [ chanting ]. >> where were those same lawmakers on that kind of language. not only was that largely ignored, but here is what we heard recently from the head of the dnc. >> i'm proud of the young people who have been pushing that black lives matter movement. we brought the confederate flag down. we've made sure that symbols of hate, symbols of hate are unacceptable in america. >> back now to the panel. so it's not that the black lives matter movement has been entirely incendiary, but there have been enough examples that you have to question whether there's been a double standard applied by those who are quick to paint the entire tea party with a brush given the comments of a few. >> i feel like rhetoric is really the mother of this whole time and period that we're in. and we have to move from that to
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a place of reconciliation and really exercising the intelligence of listening. she brought up a major point. these are young people who feel as though they have no voice and no one is hearing them. when we listen, i think any party has the responsibility only to listen and to listen with respect. and i believe when we begin to really exercise that measure of respect -- and as leaders on the local level, when we begin to combat the rhetoric with truth as a pastor, as a bishop, we have the responsibility of speaking truth. >> you listen with respect but the speech needs to be respectful in order to be heard. >> absolutely. >> that is the problem with what we saw in minnesota and what we saw -- why are you saying no? >> i'm saying no, it doesn't need to be respectable. martin luther king wore a three
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piece suit and still shot dead. what we know is that slavery is still legal in this country. in the 14th amendment it says that slavery is legal as a clause for punishment. that's why your prison industrial complex has grown so. i think it's ridiculous to compare black lives mat tore the tea party. you want to think about the origins of the tea party, white folks revolted against written over tea. we're getting killed and they're saying we're being disrespectful about it. i don't want to hear it. >> this is horrific what was said about police, okay? but having said that, you know, there needs to be a dialogue that isn't existing right now because people are polarized on one side or the other. >> a dialogue started a enwhat was interesting was a black lives matter movement stormed
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the campaign of bernie sanders shutting down the moment. it is tough. go ahead, tom. >> retired nypd detective. this young lady and i were talking. what's missing is a lot of education. a lot of misinformation, a lot of people miscon true and a lot of misperceptions from community of color about what the police can and cannot do on behalf of the police about communities of color. a lot of misinformation and a lot of 'of education need to be done on both sides. if the politicians are trying to make us believe they give a rat's ass about any of us, i don't buy it. the conversation on behalf of donald trump, i take offense to what she said about you personally, but he's brought some things to light that people don't want to talk about because they're so plitly correct. the time for political
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correctness is gone. long gone. let's get over it already and get to the brass tax and work on it. >> go ahead, darren. >> one thing that we're missing the mark on is the people in black lives matter, they need to correct their issues on their own. they need to have marshals and they've yet to employ marshal to back people off and keep them in line. it can be a decent movement. however, the movement has missed the mark in trying to police themselves and that's the problem that i have. >> phil? >> this will go on, this will not be fixed because everybody is talking past each other, to the pastor and the bishops in the front, you hear their words of kindness. when you hear other people that want the anarchy to happen. and guess what, there are certain politicians that want this because they feel they're going to benefit from it. >> we're going to pick it up after the debate. in the middle of ul all of this, the debate over this movement,
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one single mother spoke up and became a national starry overnight. peggy hubbard's message right after this. >> are you [ bleep ] me? police brutality? how about black brutality. you black people, my black people, you are the most [ bleep ] mother [ bleep ] i've ever seen in my life. something's possible. they just do it. at sears optical, we're committed to bringing them eyewear that works as hard as they do. right now, buy one pair and get another free. quality eyewear for doers. sears optical i think she tried to kill us. no, it's only 15 calories. with reddi wip, fruit never sounded more delicious, with 15 calories per serving and real cream, the sound of reddi wip is the sound of joy.
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well as we mentioned earlier, the black lives matter protests have won some praise for targeting a number of incidents when a person of color dies at the hands of police. but they've taken heat for seeming to ignore the issue of black lives lost to street violence in the black communities. when protesters marched through st. louis angry over the shooting death of a young man who allegedly had pointed a gun at a police officer, a woman by the name of peggy hubbard took the facebook to share a message that would get national attention. she challenged the group over
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the murder of a nine-year-old who was killed last month when a stray bullet came through her mother's bedroom when the little girl was doing her home work. she died in her grandmother's arm. listen to peggy's message. >> are you [ bleep ] me? police brutality? what about black brutality. a little girl is dead. you say black lives matter? her life mattered. her dreams mattered. her future mattered. her promises mattered. it matters. but but night after night after night murder murder murder murder murder. black on black murder. but yet you [ bleep ] are out there tearing oup your own [ bleep ]. it's not your [ bleep ] other people's [ bleep ] for a criminal, a thug. you're yelling [ bleep ] at the police [ bleep ]. you're shooting at the police.
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police drops your ass, pour so and so, he got police brutality, 127 homicide later y'all want to holler police brutality? black people, you're a [ bleep ] joke. you're tearing up communities over thugs and criminals. you think the police are out here for fun? think they're out here for games? you shoot at them, they're going to shoot at you. if you try to kill them, their job is to serve and protect, not serve and die. >> does she have a point. >> i believe she has a point. but even more important, this is precisely where the republican party can make inroads. rather than worrying about whether they officially endorse the black lives moment or not, if we can talking about the democratic patrrties with how t
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lack of funding for any rehabilitation or jobs programs within the prisons has led to resit vichl rate that's upwards of 75%, talk about how republicans in congress are introducing sentencing acts for different types of opportunities for folks to make an economic rise once they get out of prison, or folks like a senator who is supporting -- >> rand paul and chris christie, they're pushing along those line. go ahead. >> i think my friend here just nailed it. black lives matter is a bumper sticker. let the pigs fry is divisive. and could incite violence. but the constructive policpolic you agree with them or not twhab is the solution. >> taking a step further back, i'll never forget the video, the mother who was going to beat the crap in -- in baltimore, who was going to beat the crap out of her son for getting involved. it's got to start at home.
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it's got to start with re-educating parents and children and teaching their children exactly as that mother did. >> i haven't heard from warren and i haven't hear from eric. i'm dying to know what you guys think. go ahead, eric. >> in certain states these individuals that are arrested for these crimes, mainly weapons charges, they're only being charged with misdemeanors. what are you going to get with a misdemeanor? a couple months, 90 days. you need more time. >> more time on the weapons charges, less time on drug charges. >> here's what happens and here's what's going on. this black lives matters movement, they're blaming everyone, they're blaming the police, blaming the politicians. it has to start at home. let's start talking about what's going on at home. why are there so many single
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pa parents? what are they selling drugs? >> 74% now of black families being raised in fartherless homes. 74% do not have a father in the home. >> i'm not saying that he's been perfect on the issue. i will call him out on that but this is something he's spoken to explicit explicitly. it starts at home. marriage having two parents better outcomes whether they're gay, straight, it doesn't matter. and we should be championing that. >> the experts say you need three things to stay out of poverty, you need an education, need to not get pregnant before marriage and get a job. >> i talked about this at my parish just this last sunday, the parable of the good samaritan. the summary of the law, love god, love your neighbor as
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yourself. no one is teaching children today i need to treat everybody the same way i want to be treated. that's at the root of a lot of what we're seeing now. >> there's also a culture that develops whether it's anti-cop, sort of, you know, people have called the thug mentality and that's a controversial term. but that it's cool to sort of hate the cops and hang out and you know, be somebody who doesn't necessarily prize being there for your family. how do you reverse that? >> the minute there's a problem -- >> yeah, in the back. >> i's so simple. we're talking about an entire generation, more than one generation of children who don't understand they're loved and valued because they don't have fathers in the home. how do you teach kids to respect authority in their father teaches them that. less than 3% chance of being in poverty if you're waiting before you graduate from high school and marry before having a child. who is telling anybody that? we've got to go to the core of
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the problem. i's not police killing black people. it's the people who killed the nine-year-old. they had a march for her but who came to that? no republicans and no media. so i find out they had a march for this girl. i would have gone but the media doesn't cover that. it's up to us to reach out to each other. it's up to the republicans if they want the votes to go out for that particular march. that's where they should be. >> stand by because we have another segment we want to get to. the marches continue and the complaints about the system continue to pile up. it is very clear that the black lives protests have become a political force and up next, some thoughts on solutions. the argument of black lives matter is that police officers should be held to standards of accountability just like everybody else.
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you heard tonight critics of the "black lives matter" movement say the movement is promoting violence. supporters say that's not the message at all and that black lives matter is about justice, equality, police accountability and that the struggle is universal. here is some of that argument.
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>> when you economically abandon people, transfer welt fralth fr them to the well-to-do generation after generation, they're going to respond with unbelievable levels of very sad forms of despair. this is true for anybody. i don't care what color you are. >> when you try to tell black people every time one of these incidents happens and another precious life is lost it's just an isolated incident that's offensive. this should be a concern for all americans. we have to respect and revel in the humanity of all citizens. >> the argument of black lives matter is not to say police officers should be killed, that police officers should be demonized or marginalized. the argument of black lives matter is that police officers should be held to standards of accountability like everybody else and the same number of black bodies dying at the hands of state violence needs to end. >> on the last point, how does that point get across and how is it heard?
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let me ask you in the law enforcement community, ron, how does law enforcement receive that message? >> we receive it very poorly because we have a good sense of what's happening in the street. and like i said, i investigate these things. i have to separate all the politics and all the spin and deal with forensic facts. worked on many of the cases that you show on fox, and i have found by and large that the police did the right thing and that the shootings or the in-custody death, the manner or way the police handled themselves was justifiable. however, i have other cases where what the police do is not justifiable. but those are far and away the minority cases. remember that we have 900,000 peace officers in the united states that make tens of millions of contacts a year. and out of all those tens of millions of contacts we get 1% or 2% that resist arrest where some level of force is used. out of that an extremely small
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minority of people are killed by police. >> how do we get to this point where there is clearly a narrative developing that cops know cops are on the hunt for young black men, mike? >> part of the problem is that the black lives matter movement has been hi jacked by a radical movement using it to push aside the ferriers. we can see it in new york. i was a cop in new york city in the mid '80s. 2400 homicides a year happened on the streets of new york. that's almost as many guys killed in afghanistan since we've been there. it was 2400 homicides a year. >> wow! >> it was five years it was 2,000 people. that was over 12,000 people killed on the streets of new york in homicides. >> megyn, people don't want to hear that. what ron gave you was common-sense math. they want to be led by emotion.
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if a cop does a wrong shooting or breaks the law in my opinion he is not a cop, he is a criminal. he gets locked up. period. end of sentence. that's small and in between. cops take the oath to protect and serve. what people are going to figure out, if you keep prosecuting a cop for doing his job, guess what, they make the same check whether they chase the bad guy or take a report in the car. >> what were you saying? >> the original accountability, how do you justify the killing of austin grant? freddie gray? walter scott. there are so many names -- >> you don't even know how freddie gray died. that's something that is universally -- >> i agree. >> go ahead. >> every incident that you see on tv is always the second half of the incident. you never see what happened to the cop prior to that. >> not every police department supports community policing, megyn. it's something that needed. in my old home down of canton,
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new jersey, they have a community policing strategy where they're going door-to-door with business cards with their cellphone on it. >> not every city can do that. >> that is true. >> randy, go ahead. >> if you want to know what the deal is, why don't the cops boycott for 24 hours. no cop on the street. what do we think would happen in this country if there was no police presence even for an hour let alone 24 hours. >> the black lives matter say we have to choose between civil liberty and not being protected from crime? that's not a choice. >> there is so much condemnation of police. everyone is going after thim. i understand your point back there. what's going to happen when the cops take a step back. and say we make the same paychecks. >> some believe that's how happening. i have to leave it at that. great job, everybody. we'll be right back.
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