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everybody. i think ted cruz is going to be here. it's going to be a brawl tomorrow at 11:00. again, thanks for watching us tonight. miss megyn is next. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here. definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, less than 24 hours to go before the next presidential debate and we have a huge show for you. big news from the latest poll just out. four of the top presidential contenders join us with a preview of their debate strategy and new comments just coming in from donald trump. welcome to the kelly file, everyone. i'm megyn kelly. we start with a live look at the uss iowa in california where mr. trump is due to speak momentarily about international challenges and veterans issues. giving him the chance to strengthen his standing with the military community. we will be streaming this live at fox at foxnews.com and we will bring you the news as it happens. but one of the big political stories today is the new polling, showing a statistical dead heat now
for the top spot for the republican race for the white house. donald trump and dr. ben carson is now effectively tied for first in the latest cbs news "new york times" national poll. ben carson 23% which is well within the margin of error. if you take a closer look where the candidates stood just about a month ago, the numbers are even more stunning. donald trump has gained support up 3 points since early august. prior to the fox news debate. but look at dr. ben carson his numbers have nearly quumed from 6% in early august to 23% now tonight we have four presidential'
candidates. they have unleashed a pair of attack ads on him and he has fired back. we begin with a man who has shaken up the polls surging to the top. retired pediatric neurosurgeon dr. ben carson. nice to he sue tonight. >> thank you. >> how do you see your strategy for tomorrow night's debate given the help you gave yourself in the last presidential debate >> i don't think my strategy is going to change at all. it's going to be to tell the truth and to talk about, you know, my vision for america which i think is something that a lot of people resonate with. the polls are not particularly surprising given the fact that i'm out there amongst the people a lot. and i have been seeing the level of enthusiasm and the size of the crowds for quite some time. it hasn't been reported on. we have seen it it's not very surprising. >> you talk about your vision. and this is something that you have written an op. ed
on in the journal, and you come out and say in this piece "america needs a new paradigm. a paradigm that emphasizes that strength comes from within each of us. that to change our country we must embrace old fashioned values. such as respect, compassion, and responsibility." what do you mean by that? >> well, i mean, you know, america is an incredible country. by far the greatest country the world has ever known. before we came along, people did things the same way for thousands of years within 200 years of the advent of america, men were walking on the moan. and we reached a pinnacle much faster than anybody else and much higher pinnacle. it was because of the values that we manifested. there are a lot of people who like to look at us and they say yeah, but you guys had slavery and you hurt the native americans. and you had japanese internment camps. i don't deny that those
things occurred. but we learned from them. we have people inhabiting this country and any time you have people inhabit it, you are going to have imperfections but you are able to get beyond those things to learn from those things and move on. and that's what we did. and as a result, we have a country that had the highest standards of living and was the one who really created a higher standard for the rest of the world. >> your emphasis on compassion is something your colleagues, your former colleagues at johns hopkins university tells us has been part of your character for a while this comes from the blurb book steven mueller at the time. what makes dr. carson extraordinary is his compassion, modesty and sensitivity. he serves as a splendid example for young people. compassion in some conservative circles raises alarm bells of he is going to it be a big spender. is that -- how do you mean it? >> i mean it in terms of us
being willing to invest in our fellow man. you know, america has always been an extraordinarily compassionate nation. you know, we were the impetus for socialism because the europeans looked over here and they saw carney guys and the melons and the kellogg's and the vanderbilts and they said those people have too much money. we need to have overarching government. what they didn't realize about those names and many others is that instead of just hoarding money, they built the infrastructure of this nation, the transcontinental railroads, the sea ports. the textile mills, the factories, providing the mechanism for the most powerful and dynamic middle class the world has ever seen which rapidly propelled us to the pinnacle can. they also built libraries and museums and. >> you know how people -- some feel resentment of the rich. they feel there are the haves and the have notes. and you know you have been focused in particular on
many folks who live in have not communities. one of the things you write in your piece is the family unit. that that's what we need to be focused on right now, the family unit. that most crucial incull carat of values has disintegrated you write i'm afraid we are on the front end of a lost generation. how does the 2015 presidential race factor in to addressing that? >> well, i for one will be talking about it very substantially about the things that impact the family structure in ing inive way. many of those things are considered politically incorrect because every family structure is supposed to be of equal value than the pc world. evidence demonstrates it's not the case. we need to be looking at what is driving some of the things that bernie sanders likes to talk about like the big income gap. it is not because wealthy people are wealthy. it is one of the reasons is because we have so many regulations. and every regulation cost in
terms of goods and services. but who gets disproportionately hit by that? the poor people and the middle class. nobody is really talking about that and that is a very substantial problem. >> somebody is calling so i have got to let them go. it may be barbara walters. she gave you a nice blush for your book. dr. carson, great so see you. we will be watching tomorrow night. >> thank you megyn. >> we are only getting started tonight with carly fiorina and senator marco rubio for their strategies up next tomorrow. senator rand paul talks about his plan for taking on trump. brit hume is here to talk about who faces the highest stakes on the big stage tomorrow night. then we will speak with a conservative group now spending a million bucks to go after donald trump in the state of iowa. that group's message and trump's response just ahead. >> trump wants us to think he is mr. tell it like it is, but he has a record and it's very liberal. he is really just playing us for churches.
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trump took a shot at fiorina's looks in rolling stone magazine. saying, quote: look at that face would anyone vote forxñ that? can you imagine that? the face of our next president? carlie then responded with this ad. >> ladies, look at this face. [cheers] this is the face of the 61-year-old woman i am proud of every year and every wrinkle. [cheers] >> then, last night in dallas, trump seemed to suggest that he is the victim here. >> you know it's incredible, i make like statements because carlie is giving me a hard time even though her poll numbers are horrible. she is the one, she is another one she is surging, everybody is surging but me. >> the former hewlett packard are ceo and presidential candidate carly fiorina joins me now. carlie, great to see you tonight. so, do you believe that he
is playing the victim here acting like you are coming after him, after he insulted your face? >> well, i don't know. you know, honestly donald trump says all kinds of things. i don't really worry much about what donald trump says, honestly. i'm out there talking with voters every day. this isn't entertainment even though it's obviously very entertaining to many people. these are serious times. people don't ask me did about donald trump and his comments. they ask me about healthcare or their kids' education or how we are going to defeat isis. or how we are going to get debt under control. they thank me with questions terms they can understand. we are at a pivotal point and i think most people know it. >> the reason it's relevant not because is carly fiorina a victim. i don't think anybody looks at you and thinks victim. it's relevant because character matters, does it not, if he is a sexist, is it important to know that?
>> of course character matters. you know, when you think about leadership, and certainly the oval office about strength, it is about courage, it is about judgment it is about determinement and most definitely about character. character requires humility and empathy as well as confidence. one of the things that i believe is that character is revealed over time and under pressure. i think all of our characters are being revealed over time and under pressure, including mr. trump's. >> um-huh. how do you -- you made a comment to a reporter the other day talking about how, you know, half the questions you get after about him. we talk a lot about him because is he leading in the polls by a lot. because he is compelling to watch on television. how do you get oxygen in the midst of a race like this, given the presence of a
celebrity billionaire, presidential frontrunner like donald trump? >> well, you know with all due respect to pollsters and media people neither one of them decide elections. voters do. and so when i'm on the ground, it turns out that even though i continue to have the lowest name i.d. in the field and tomorrow night's debate is another great opportunity for me to introduce myself to the american people, i'm still in the top five in every single state poll. in other words, the people who decide elections are voters. and if you go back in every presidential election, the polls the pundits the money, the media, all said that ronald reagan couldn't win and jimmy carter couldn't win and bill clinton couldn't win and barack obama couldn't win and they all won. and they won because voters decided they should win. >> tomorrow night, there is going to be a lot of focus on you. a lot of focus on you, because you weren't on the
main stage last time around. do you feel that pressure and do you have any sort of debate ritual that you go through prior to going out there? >> i certainly know this is a big opportunity. it's a big opportunity as i say for me to introduce myself to the almost 50% of the nation and republican primary voters who don't know my name and don't know i'm running for president. so it's a big opportunity and it's a big platform. in terms of the debate ritual, i really don't, but here is what i think about a lot. of course i read up on current issues to make sure i understand what's going on. and you think very carefully, i guess, about what i want to convey in 30 second chunks or a minute chunks. because the thing about debate that's a little bit different than campaigning out there every day is you have a very prescribed time frame. >> right. >> one of the things that voters say to me all the time is thank you so much for answering my question. thank you so much for talking in common sense
terms that i can understand. i want to continue to answer people's questions and speak in common sense terms and i need to do it in 30 seconds or a minute chunks. >> i read that you play a little solitaire on your phone too. is that true? >> i do. yes, i do. i play solitaire on my phone and then the last thing i do you know my husband and i have a quiet moment together. and then i spend some time in solitude in prayer before it's time to actually go out on that stage. >> it can't hurt. carly fiorina. great to see you. >> nice to see you, megyn, thanks for having me. >> also breaking tonight with candidates finalizing their plans of attack ahead of the republican debate, the challenge for most will be finding an opportunity to break out. and one of those looking to improve his profile is florida senator and presidential candidate marco rubio. senator, great to see you tonight. >> thank you. >> i don't know if you are looking for a breakout moment or not it's always helpful for somebody running for president to find one. do you have that strategy or
any other conscious strategy going into this second debate tomorrow? >> i always use these debates as an opportunity to tell people who i am and what i will do is they give me the chance to serve as president. that's what i try to do in every debate moving forward. it's a chance to speak to a lot of americans. millions of americans who are trying to make up their minds. i honestly think that despite our exals, we have very significant challenges. we have a chance to usher in the greatest era in america's history. but, to do that, we need a government that's in touch with our people. we don't have that right now. we are on the road to decline right now. we can fix this. that's what i want to talk about tomorrow. >> let's talk about it because last time the last debate you actually were praised in most corners. i didn't see any articles ripping on you for your debate performance. most people thought you did a solid job. ben carson didn't say too much. at the end he had this great answer that had a lot of pickup. man, he surged up. a lot of people say, he said to me i think it was because of my debate performance. do you look for a moment like that? is it worth trying one moment? one funny moment o moment with the audience?
>> you know, i don't know other people may want to do that i'm just going to continue to try to do well in terms of explaining who i am and what i want to do. i do think overtime it has a cumulative effect as voters get ready to make up their minds. in the end it's not a game show. it's not a production. and it is, in fact deciding the most important political office in the world. and a very unique one at that. you are deciding the commander and chief of the most powerful military and the leader of the most powerful country on the planet. that's a serious endeavor. that's how we take it that's how we prepare for it. >> yesterday, donald trump was on tv talking about his surging poll numbers everywhere and he pointed out florida and bragged to the audience that he is ahead of you and jeb bush in your home state of florida and indeed there is a quinnipiac poll putting him at 21% and jeb at 17 and you and carson tied at 111%. why is is he beating you. >> has tapped into a vein in this country. people are frustrated and angry. i'm not sure there has been a time in history where the
political class in washington has been more out of touch than it is with the lives of people than it is now. he has tapped into that. i'm frustrated. the reason why i'm leaving the u.s. senate after just four years and running for president. we have to be frustrated but allow that to lead us to solutions. the good news is that everything that is wrong with this country we can fix. not if we keep electing the same people with the same ideas. elect a new generation of leadership with challenges relevant to us right now. the challenge is to outline to the american people how we are going it turn this frustration into action and that action into the greatest era in american history. >> all right. now, i don't follow football but my football friends tell me that you committed a sin. they say it was a big one. that you made a comment about florida state and you shouldn't have done that you went to the university of florida. there is a rivalry. and here's what you said. >> i don't have anything against florida state. i think there has to be a school where people who can't get into florida can
get into college. that's why we have florida state. >> now, apparently some are saying that's it. he can kiss florida goodbye and you say? >> i say i'm a college football fan. i'm a proud gator. there has got to be room in life despite all the issues we face for college football trash talk, it's great to be a florida gator. we have beat them six out of the last 10 times and we look forward to doing it again on the saturday after thanksgiving this year. >> that's fine, i will just pretend i understood everything you said and we will move on. senator, always great to see you. >> thank you. >> all the best. well, we still have brit hume just ahead. he has been watching all of this. he will give you his guide on what to watch for tomorrow. plus senator rand paul is next on how he hopes to prove he is the real conservative on stage and what he is planning for donald trump. >> news flash, the republican party has been fighting against the single pair system for a decade. so you think you are on the wrong side of this if you are still arguing for a single payer system. >> i don't think you heard me. you are having a hard time
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senator released a new ad in which he touts himself as quote a real conservative a message we're told is not only an effort to separate himself from the pack but from one candidate in particular. joining me now is senator rand paul. great to see you tonight, senator. you said in an intraw quote: i'm not going to sit quietly by and let the disaster that is donald trump become the nominee. do you want someone who appears to still be in grade school to be in charge of the nuclear arsenal? someone has to bring him down. how do you plan to do that? >> well, you know, i think electioneering running for office is election combat and differentiate yourself from others. i think he is running as a conservative. but the tea party movement, we were very weary of fake conservatives republicans
who said they were conservative but were actually forebig government programs. donald trump was for president obama's stimulus plan. government stimulus plan. no conservative in america was for it. he was for president obama's obamacare. no conservative in america was for that either. but the biggest thing that i think really shows who donald trump is that when you look at private property rights. sort of the fundamental building blocks of our country he is for taking property from individual small property owner and giving it to big corporations like his and there are no conservatives in america who are for that. so really i do think he is he a fake conservative. >> he -- you know these issues about, you know his prior liberal positions have been raised repeatedly. they don't touch him in the polls. he continues to surge. why? >> well not yet. they will eventually. ultimately people are going to have to decide who they want to run the country. and i do mean this very seriously. that someone who is calling
another candidate ugly, stupid fat, all the things he has been saying about other people, is that really the kind of person that's going to have diplomacy with the soviet union or with china? is that really the kind of person that you want to have in charge of your nuclear arsenal? you think that sort of unrestrained, uncontrolled narcissism is the best way to put it is the probably not someone you want to have in charge of your nuclear arsenal. so i think that ultimately, right now two thirds of the voters are undecided. ultimately when they become voters who are actually going to have to make a decision, i think they will think more seriously you about whether or not this celebrity that makes them laugh or cringe is really what they want as commander and chief. >> how about you? your poll numbers have not been good lately. abc news poll on september 10th put you at 5%. number 6 in the pack. today at cbs 2%. number 8 in the pack. obviously his numbers are way above yours. carson is urge ising. what has happened? why have your numbers gone down instead of up?
>> i think right now the race is being influenced by celebrity. i think also, you know, two thirds of the people in each of the polls are undecided. and the pollster says oh, no really, give us how are kind of leaning toward. this is a leaner poll of undecided voters who may or may not be voters. so we're not disheartened. in fact, we are working even harder. we have now organized 300 schools across the country, 300 colleges. we is have 15 colleges in iowa that we have organized. we had 600 college students at a rally at iowa state. >> ground game going? >> yeah. we are trying very hard with the ground game. i think things will shift. i think he is has reached his crest. and i really think ironically, governor perry leaving the race was the wakeup call to everybody that my goodness, we are losing candidates that were three and four term governors of large republican states and yet a reality tv star who is most famous for insulting people is somehow leading the pack.
i think people are going to walk up and say oh, my goodness, this guy two actually be the commander and chief and i think they are going to think twice about that. >> in a word and i'm out of time. what can we expect from rand paul tomorrow night? >> i'm going to mix it up because i like to rumble and i like to make sure people know the differences between the candidates. >> rumble. all right senator. we will see you. thank you for being here. >> thanks, megyn. >> we have exciting news for you about tomorrow night. tune in to fox news at 11:00 p.m. for complete g.o.p. debate analysis. o'reilly starts it off right after the debate ends. it's over on another channel but you will want to come here for fair and balanced analysis after its over. right? we'll be on be live for a special late edition at midnight. ben carson will be back with us. a frank luntz focus group. mark and chris stair walt and more. stick around and have copy of and join hannity at 1:00 p.m. all prime time host also be
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breaking tonight. donald trump has just wrapped up a speech that had been billed a major national security address on board the uss iowa. it wound up being 10 minutes long. hundreds of supporters were on the battle ship to listen while protesters were picketing outside the vent. mr. trump spent part of time talking about the president's deal with iran and promised the crowd he would do better job on veterans issues especially when it comes to healthcare. >> i will say this, i am with the veterans 100 percent. [cheers] they are our greatest people. they are being treated terribly. the -- not only the number of deaths which are obviously that's tantamount. that's what's going on is incredible. but, as of two weeks ago on wednesday, the vets had the longest wait in the husband industry of the veterans
administration. you go in and see a doctor, you wait for days, for days and it's not going to happen. not going to happen. if i win, believe me it's not going to happen. >> joining me brit hume fox news senior analyst. this is an interesting event. trump had earlier said he didn't lay out his military strategy because you don't want to let people know what you are going to do with respect to certain things that happen. we were wondering whether he would do it tonight. talked mostly about veterans' health. you know, does any of this matter at this point in the race so early in september? >> well that remains to be seen megyn. historically, you know people have been on top of the polls at this time and ended up flaming out. it's in the clear that that's going to happen this time. what is clear is that it kind of doesn't matter to the people who are now backing donald trump what he does. he can announce a speech on a certain subject and get up and say he is going to talk about it at length and get
up and talk briefly about something else. that's not going to matter. he can say he is not going to take the pledge to support whoever gets nominated and then reverse himself a few weeks later. they are going to be with him no matter when which ways he goes. the. >> if you are in his corner you are pretty strongly in his corner and not wavering right now. two thirds of the g.o.p. voters say it's still too early to decide. trump needs to appeal now to more than the core supporters. and what the numbers showed in that same cbs news poll is that he and ben carson are now effectively tied if you count in the margin of error which is 6% here. in the national race. >> well we can talk about the margin of error and that is certainly true that it is plus or minus 6. even with plus or minus 6 i would rather be at 27 then at 23. >> darn tooten. >> if you look at all the other polls trump is leading. there is no getting around
it. trump is winning at the moment. >> poll that ended september 10th he had a significant lead. >> certainly ben carson has made up a lot of ground but it doesn't appear that ben carson is taking supporters from donald trump it appears that ben taking supporters from the other candidates. many of some of whom were sinking to astonishing low levels. and they are all, i think, you know looking wondering, what can be done to change the drift of this election. >> you hear rand paul talking about he is going to come out swinging, he did that the last time. >> he did. and he tried the last time. remember, he interrupted very early on and you guys properly closed him down because he was, you know, it wasn't his turn. and we didn't hear that much more from him as the debate war on. got into it with chris christie again. he may try again and maybe it will work. the truth of the matter is, megyn, the people that are trying to get a handle on in this guy and figure out how to bring him down or take him down a peg at least don't know what to do.
they are trying various things. the club for growth you are going to speak with later. they have got an ad out. that will make a difference. nobody knows what to do because nobody has seen anything like this before i can tell youner have either. >> they attack him at their own peril. his supporters really love him and for, you know, all sorts of reasons they fervently support him and get very angry when they feel like he is being attacked. >> they sure do. there is no risk baked in attacking him by the other candidates. >> there is. and it's sort of an axiom of politics in a multicandidate race that you have to be careful if you attack another candidate. while you may do that candidate some harm, you may not yourself look very good of doing and it the benefit may go to some other candidate. that's always a risk. >> given that tomorrow who could really stand out? whose big opportunity is this? >> well, i think it's -- another way to look at it if you don't mind megyn, who really needs to stand out. i would say at this point it's pretty clear that scott
walker who has had had a precipitous drop in the polling down to where he has fallen almost out of sight, he needs to find a way to rally himself and win back some the following that he had, not so many weeks ago. certainly, you know i was listening to marco rubio tonight. he sounded like marco rubio sounds. he is articulate and pleasant. he is youthful. he has got an interesting record. he is certain isly conservative. he is all kinds of things you would think would qualify him in a republican field and yet his poll numbers are pretty bleak as well. and he is, you know, it would be great for him to have a great night but i think a lot of us thought he had a great night last time and look at all the good it did him. nobody knows what the formula is here except for the moment at least donald donald trump who goes around and bragging and claiming how great it's all going to be and never really quite explaining how he is going to do all these things. >> for some reason the republican voters who are said to be angry and tired of politicians are buying
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breaking tonight a deep pocket conservative voters unleashing a $1 million ad campaign attacking donald trump. the organization club for growth taking aim at the republican frontrunner in two new ads airing in iowa. attacking trump for his stance on taxes and accusing him of supporting liberal policies in the past. watch. >> in many cases i probably identify more as a democrat. >> trump wants us to think he is mr. tell it like it is but he has a record. and it's very liberal. he is really just playing us for churches. trump, just another politician. >> today trump fired back calling the club's ads an act of revenge after trump declined to donate money to the group. joining us now club for
growth president david mcintosh great -- good to he so you. >> great to see. >> you little respected asked me more $1 million, i said no and now they are spending lobbyists and special interest money on ads. he is saying this is sour grapes on your part because you wouldn't give him money. >> that's classic donald trump he won't own up to the fact that is he the most liberal guy running but says he is a conservative. and that's what our ads say. >> the club for growth people should know is a conservative group that tries to get true conservatives elected to powerful positions and they don't like so-called rinos or moderates. you backed mike lee and senator marco rubio you try to get people who won't raise taxes. in your ad raise taxes single pair, government run healthcare. those are old positions he says. right now he says the only people he wants to tax are hedge fund guys like seriously rich dudes this is what he said on o'reilly earlier tonight.
>> i'm actually lowering taxes and especially for the middle class. the hedge fund guys are going to have to pay because they pay practically nothing peanuts. i'm lowering taxes overall a. lowering for corporations. by the way club for growth is a phony outfit. >> well megyn we have done this for years. we have got a very good b.s. detector and we can tell when a candidate says what he would want it hear. says what voters want to hear but we look at his record. in this case donald trump's record is he is for taxes. he has been for taxes for decades. he still is. he is going to tax everybody's ford had they come over. put a huge tax on goods coming from china if you are buying a new apple phone you are going to pay 35% more. those are tax increases that hit the middle class. and recently, just in the last month he has been for raising taxes. we're going to tell the truth. >> he says he is focused just on the rich. if you make $10 million armor a year you can afford a tax increase and the middle class cannot. let me ask you.
this somebody for club for growth said it's not going to be more. not just 1 million. true? >> we will continue to pursue this so we can tell the voters the truth about donald trump. would will take it all the way through to the primaries. it will come in different places and at different times but the club is committed to getting the word out about donald. the worst part is that he is just a politician. is he portraying himself as an outsider, a crusader who will represent middle america. but, he is playing people for churches, how is he a politician? >> the worst kind of politicians tell you whatever you want to hear and then when they get in office they don't keep their promises. donald has told everybody i'm a conservative just a few years ago he said i'm really more comfortable as a democrat. >> he points out ronald reagan evolved on many of these issues as well and says he has as well ronald reagan didn't say i changed. the democratic party left me. trump changed.
>> people get older they become conservative. great to see you. >> great to see you. >> coming up, the incredible story how one woman's faith changed her life after quad quadruple murderer showed up on her doorstep. how she used her faith to escape after being held hostage in her own home for some stefan seven hours. >> some people think that the story is about the book. that this story is about the book. what do you think this story is about?
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>> my name is ashley. >> i don't trust you, ashley. >> oh that was a clip from upcoming movie "captive," a film based on the true story of a woman named ashley smith. in march 2005, a man who had just murdered four people including two in open court showed up at her door. that man, brian nichols, held ashley hostage for some seven hours. she managed to survive bonding with her captor by reading him passages from a popular self-help book by pastor rick warren. despite chances to escape, ashley says her faith told her that a higher power would intervene. there was another opportunity where he convinced you to help him hide the getaway car. he had stolen a car and killed -- i think that was the law enforcement officer's car. >> yes. >> and he got you out of the apartment to help him hide it. why didn't you run in those moments? what was it?
did you -- were you motivated by fear or was it some knowledge that i'm going to get out of this? >> i think looking back on it even times when i read the book or watch the movie even myself, i'm like go, girl you need to get out of there. you got a chance. but i think several things went through my mind at that point in time. number one, my car was not -- it wasn't a very good car. it had been breaking down on a very regular basis. and i think i feared that if i tried to get away that it would immediately break down. >> too risky? >> also i really believed that god once i chose not to do the drugs, god took control and he began to lead that night. and for me, i kept saying eventually he will let me go. if i let him get in the car and go back to my apartment then he's not going to have a getaway car. he's going to be at my house all by himself at one point and he'll be surrounded. and so i think those things were just going through my head. >> the ashley smith who was there before that encounter is
she still with us? >> i'm not -- i'm not in a spiritual warfare any more. i'm not fighting that any more. the person that was there that night was still a human being. i think she is still here because that person was saved by god's grace. today i'm still just a sinner saved by god's grace. that night i laid down my brokeness to god and i gave it to him. that's what changed. >> for ashley, her faith was the key to saving her life. compare that today with the saga of defiant kentucky clerk kim davis whose beliefs actually landed her behind bars. while davis is now back at work and with her family, her attorneys say that this case threatens the core of our country's founding principles. an attorney for kim davis and the founder and chairman of liberty council.
kim davis actions based on her faith that landed her in jail. you handle a lot of these cases. do you see a noticeably erosion of respect for people following their genuinely held religious beliefs in this country? >> i certainly do. especially in this case. i think it was very evident that there was a divide in the country and that divide may even get worse. and sometimes it's gover political ideology rather than principle. and if you're in favor of the issue that's at hand that the religious conviction is colliding with then you're not in favor of the religious a come o addition. if you're in favor, you're in favor of the accomodation. it shouldn't be whether we're opposed but are we tolerant enough big enough and respectful enough to protect and at least try to accomodate a person's deeply held religious convictions. >> there was a news poll out
that shows that americans believe that equality under the law should trump religious beliefs. but that comes down to the way the question is asked. there's a way for providing accomodation for religious objectors that still honors the law. people painted her as a monster. we heard somebody literally call her a monster. why don't you tell the audience what kim davis has been doing since she's been back to work and what she did with the protesters who were protesting her. >> well, when she was there before she went to jail for six days during the hot kentucky sun, she took water out to the protesters that were protesting against her to express her genuine concern for them. and when she came back one of the first things that she did is she went to the deputy clerk that did issue the marriage licenses and that indicated that he would do so when she did return, and she went to him, hugged him and said you don't know how much i love you. and that's kim davis. she is someone who loves people. because 4 1/2 years ago like for
the person you just featured and an amazing story about how her faith got through this 4 1/2 years ago everything changed for kim. but that's when her faith began when she turned her life over to jesus. that justflows through her. to get to know kim davis is to know a wonderful human being that people in this country should get to know. >> there's more to ashley smith's story than we had time to tell you about tonight. tomorrow my exclusive full interview with her, 9:00 p.m. eastern. all of our legendary racing heritage. all of our pioneering four wheel drive experience. come together in one amazing new vehicle. this is the all-new gle coupe. a mercedes-benz suv with the heart and soul of a race car.
tomorrow night after the gop debate tune in to fox news for complete debate analysis. we'll have ben carson, much, much more. welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. 2016 presidential candidate donald trump just wrapped up an event in los angeles. we'll have analysis about his speech, but in case you weren't able to watch, here's what he said. >> i am with the veterans 100%. they're our greatest people. they're being treated terribly. the -- not only the number of deaths which are obviously that's -- that's what's going on is incredible, but as of two weeks ago on wednesday, the vets had the