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and the wild card seems to be, will he get on the richest nation in the world, will he most likely tell us all, look we've got 4 million plus refugees coming out of a war-torn and terrorist ravaged area. and you the richest nation in the world you've got to do better. a you.
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>> imagine 4,000 media trying to get in without the transportation security doing the screening, but the secret service. that's not a perfect mix. they want to tell everybody what to do. it's a crazy thing people trying to get in here. once everybody is in place and they say that will happen by 4:15 when the masses begin. we are expecting a fantastic display as the pope celebrates mass for the first time at this place. stand by, martha, he's in no hurry. he's just loitering among the people and moving at his pace. martha: we saw him doing what
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many popes have done. but this hope in particular since he came on the scene. it was a big surprise when he was named pope. when he was named, everybody said, who is that? he's the first pope from the new world from the americas, from latin america. obviously the largest group of growing catholics in this nation are hispanics. it's a very good moment. we are used to popes from rome and europe and pope john paul was from poland. pope benedict from germany. this is a new feeling and brings with it that latin american culture that is so different from popes we have seen in the
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past. bill: we'll take a moment and allow the music and natural sound so you at home or in the office or mobile device can take it in with us. but part of what today is all about stems from the meeting the president had at the vatican when he met pope francis for the first time. if you follow that meeting and trail towards relations in cuba before coming here to washington, d.c. to meet with the president, and the president for the first time went to andrews, was at the airport on the air base to greet the first foreign visitor of his 6 1/2 year time at the white house for pope francis, he reserved that meeting exclusively.
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martha: let's bring shepard smith back in to talk about what we can expect from here. the president and the hope will make comment this morning from the white house. nobody knows exactly what they will say. what are some of the things people will be listening for and looking for. shep: i think it will be a combination of that conversation we had. he wanted to come through mexico which would have been even more symbolic. the pope's thoughts on a wall will most likely come at some point. his front men who are telling us what's about to happen have been giving us a heads up. but i love hearing this stuff.
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listen. [marine corps band playing] shep: i believe "hail to the chief" is next. bill: oftentimes the pope is
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called comfort to the afflicted and afflict comfortable. you wonder how that may all change tomorrow as he makes his speech to a joint session of congress. he's an equal opportunity offender. his words in cuba did not go to the political. perhaps his actions did. but not his words, shepard. shep: i think we are in a weird place in the world when the following things are considered political. these are the five things on his and our president's agenda. caring for the marginalized and poor. advancing economic opportunity for all. political? serving as good stewards of the environment. protecting religious minorities and protecting religious freedom globally. welcoming and integrating
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immigrants and refugees globally. and that's political. i don't know what we expect to hear from an organization's leader like the pope of the catholic church to protect those who need help and bring in refugees. these seem like universal truths that we should be good to others that have less than we do. these were the teachings in the bible of jesus. they are the words of the pope, the feeling of the president. people who find themselves on the other side of that message should consult the mirror. i think that's what we are supposed to do as a people, whatever your religion. it seems to me and i think the most clear thinking americans, that's how we are supposed to roll. bill: he had a press conference and he asked, is he catholic enough to lead the church saying
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everything he says comes from the social doctrine of the church. but his words come from the church. i think many people are changed by the pope. you wonder at age 78 with this being his first trip to this great country what impact our great country and our people could have on him during the next several days. martha: i imagine the pope is open to that experience. he's about to be confronted with a sensorial onslaught with one of the most beautiful days we have ever seen in washington, d.c. he's never seen any of this before in his life. he will hear the music and see the majestic white news front of him, and all of these extraordinary scenes lined up
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across the south lawn. there are people anxious and open and waiting to see this pope and smile at him and have him smile back at them. i think so much of this will be what the pope thinks about america and what his own reflections lp as a result of this trip. i think it have much works both ways in terms of what he will say and what he will learn. he's famous for moments after the world was introduced to him saying "pray for me. i have need your prayers." and he has a huge responsibility as a spiritual leader, two billion people in this world and the influence he has on so many others in terms of his message. some people say it's divisive. i think what he has said is we need to focus primarily on love.
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love is the mission. the slogan of this trip, and on mercy. while we have disagreements about these other things, we need to put pour main focus on energy on these issues, love, mercy, forgiveness. when those are the priority, the other things in some ways take care of themselves. that's the overwhelming message we have seen from this pope. i want to bring in and introduce to everyone at home' if good morning to you, give us your initial thoughts on this this morning. >> we have been ghied this country the past year or so over
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people who chants black lives matter and blue lives matter. the think the pope's message is all lives matter. i think what he's going to do is make both houses of congress a little uncomfortable. will he be political? we are the richest, the most powerful nation in the world. to whom much has been given, much is expected. it's about love, loving everybody without distinction. if that's political, then it's political but i don't think so. he's just proclaiming the gospel. people ask me, is he d is he a
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marxist? no, he's not. he's a true christian. martha: what was your interpretation of the way he handled his cuba trip? >> we have been cast out for half a century as a church and not treated with respect. he knows this is a chance to increase the chance that they will be able to have religious liberty. this pope seems to be willing to say i will talk to anyone to build bridges. so it's important. you can help the dissidents, but if you can't get along with raoul and fidel castro, if you don't have a working relationship with them you can't
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save the lives of those incarcerated. he talks with everyone. i know that makes people uncomfortable. my friends say he seems comfortable with president obama. well he needs to be. the hope says what would jesus do. jesus in the gospel talks to the tax collector and the sinner. this pope wants to have dialogue with everyone. isn't that a better idea than not talk or freezing people out? bill: we are moments away from when that fiat enters the grounds of the white house. bill: people who were ticketed were in line before the sun came up to see the pontiff when he arrives. there are still on the
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materials, we are told, thousands if not tens of thousands around the national mall. what we'll see is the arriving ceremony. the marine bands will play. we'll hear words from the president and from pope francis. the two of them will go into the oval office for a 40-45 minute chat. then they will emerge out the south portico. there were descriptions saying people have been in line since 4:00 a.m. trying to get through security and get to the curbside to get a glimpse of pope francis this morning. martha: i think of the images
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where the pope has embraced a quadraplegic, people with ailments where he has spoken to them and held their hands. and people in some cases with tears streaming down their faces at the joy of being able to have a moment with the pope. so now he will have an american version of that, whatever that turns out to be. >> it's interesting. i talked to jess with it friends of his who say this was a serious, somber man, always the burden of office on his shoulders. something has happened since he was elected to the papacy. there is a natural joy. you may note story he's grght vatican to an italian parish. he's in a slum largely populated
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by l -- by latinos largely doing the work others don't want to do. this is a sign of what's in his man's heart. i said sometimes in my own parish. take a look at the people doing your lawns and recognize they are people equal in the sight of god to you and me. this pope recognizes that and i think he will be reaching out to everyone he can. martha: a lot has been said on his views on capitalism. growing up during the dirty war period and the corporations that were basically in bed with the government. a different form of capitalism than what we have here, and one has to wonder what his impression will be of that
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system when he actually spends time here. >> you have probably gone to fast food restaurants and seen the amount of food we throw out. this man has seen the starvation. i think he looks at us and does not hate capitalism. this pope is saying it's not wrong to have riches, but american beyond what you need what can you share? while we are a generous nation, there is so much more to be done. this is not an anti-republican or democrat thing. part of the human waste we involve ourselves in is in the taking of innocent life through abortion. so for the democrats that's got to make them uncomfortable in the same way the immigration issue has got to make republicans uncomfortable.
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isn't that the job of a great moral leader? he does it in the context of love which makes everything that much better. remember the ayatollah or shiites from iran said we'll eradicate israel. what has come out of the pope's mouth that isn't about love, tolerance, understanding and acceptance. it's so great to be celebrating hotly father, a man of peace -- the holy father, a man of peace. bill: he said it will be hard to understand the pope's positions but we trust that if you watch and listen carefully to what the pope says and what he does. everybody will be reassured everybody is leading in the the church the right way and applying the gospel to today's
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world. we'll know that a little bit more today, tomorrow, and friday and before he departs sunday night. this here is moment number one. backo shepard smith in washington on this gorgeous day brought by the heavens above. shep: i was watching -- i won't so you what's in the future, but i can show you what's supposed to have happened by now. at 9:00 the president and first lady are to twiewct diplomatic room to meet the pope's motorcade. but the pope decided that the pope was going to go out and shake hands with little boys and girls and smile with people and go up and touch them and spread this message of love. which is what this trip is about, about love and spreading
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it. we want to make things political but that's not what he's doing. he's out there kissing babies, and it's fun to watch. bill: thank you, shepard. this will be a moment. a grand day it is to be on the south lawn of the white house. if you are lucky enough to be there. make a decision whether you want the iphone or the picture in person. >> ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states and mrs. michelle obama. ♪ "hail to the chief"
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[applause] >> ladies and gentlemen "the national anthem" of the holy see followed by "the national
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anth states. [♪] ♪ "the national anthem" of the holy see ♪
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plow [applause]
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>> good morning. [cheers and applause] what a beautiful day the lord has made.
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holy father, and behalf of michelle and myself, welcome to the white house. [applause] i should explain that our backyard is not typically this crowded. but the size and the spirit of today's gathering is just a small reflection of the deep devotion of some 70 million american catholics. [applause] it reflects as well your message of love and hope inspired so many people across our nation and around the world. so on behalf of the american people it is my great honor and
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privilege to welcome you to the united states of america. [applause] today we mark many firsts. you have been celebrated as the first pope from the americas. [applause] this is your first visit to the united states. [applause] and you are also the first pontiff to share an encyclical through a twitter account. holy father, your visit allows us to in some small way reciprocate the extraordinary hospitality you extended to me at the vatican last year, but it
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reveals how much americans of every faith val the role of the catholic church in strengthening america. [applause] from my time working in impoverished neighborhood in chicago and my travels as president, i have seen firsthand how every single day catholic community, priests, nuns, laity, are feeding the hungry sheltering the homeless, educating our children and fortifying the faith that sustained so many. what is true in america is true around the world. from the busy sweets of
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buenas aires to kenya, catholic organizations serve the poor, minister to prisoners, build schools, build homes, operate orphanages and hospitals. just as the church has stood with those struggling to break the chains of poverty, the church so often has given voice and hope to those seeking to break the chains of violence and oppression. i believe the excitement around your visit, holy father, must be attributed not only to your role as pope, but your unique qualities as a person. [applause] in your humility, your embrace
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of simplicity. in the gentleness of your words and the generosity of your spirit. we see a living example of jesus of teachings. a leader whose moral authority comes not just through words, but also through deeds. [applause] you call on all of us, catholic and non-catholic alike to put the least of these at the of our concerns. you remind us that in the eyes of god, our measure as individuals and our measure as a society is not determined by wealth or power or station or celebrity. but by how well we lift up the
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poor and marginalized. to stand up for justice and against inequality. and to insure every human being is able to live in dignity because we are all made in the image of god. [applause] you remind us that lord's most powerful message is mercy. that means welcoming the stranger with empathyw and a truly open heart. from the refugee to please war-torn lands -- to the refugee who flees war-torn lands to the i am granted who leaves home in search of a better life. it means showing compassion and love for the marginalized and the outcast, to those who
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suffered and those who seek redemption. you remind us of the cost of war. particularly on the powerless and defenseless, and urge us toward the imperative of peace. [applause] holy father, we are grateful for your invaluable support of our new beginning with the cuban people, which holds out the promise of better relations between our countries, greater cooperation across our hemisphere and a better life for the cuban people. we thank you for your passionate voice against the deadly conflict that ravaged the lives of so many men, women and children, and your call for
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nations to resist the sirens of war and resolve dispute through diplomacy. you remind us people are only truly free when they can practice their faith freely. [applause] here in the united states we cherish religious liberty. it was the basis for so much of what brought us together. here in the united states we cherish our religious liberty, but around the world at this very moment, children of god, including christians, are targeted and even killed because of their faith, believers are prevented from gathering at places of worship, the faithful are imprisoned and churches are
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destroyed. so we stand with you in defense of religious freedom. people everywhere must be able to live out their faith free from fear and free from intimidation. holy father you remind us we have a sacred obligation to protect our planet, god's magnificent gift to us. [applause] we support your call to all world leaders to support the community most vulnerable to change climates and come together to preserve our precious world for future generations. [applause]
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your holiness in your word and deeds you set a profound moral example. and in these gentle but firm reminders of our obligations to god and to one shaking us out of our complacency. all of us may at times experience discomfort when we contemplate the difference between how we lead our daily lives and what we know to be true, what we know to be right. i bleach such discomfort is a -- i believe such discomfort is a blessing which points to something better. you shake our conscience from slumber. you call on us to rejoice in good news and give us confidence we can come together in humility and service and pursue a world that is more loving, more just, and more free. here at home and around the
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world, may our generation heed your call to never remain on the sidelines of this march of living hope. for that great gift of hope we thank you and welcome you with joy and gratitude to the united states of america. [applause]
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>> good morning. i'm deeply grateful for your welcome. as the son of an immigrant family i'm happy to be a guest in this country which was lastly built by such families. i look forward to the dave encounter in which i hope to listen to and share many of the hopes and dreams of the american people.
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during my visit i will have the honor of addressing congress where i hope as a brother of this country to offer words of encouragement to those who are to guide the nations for the future with fidelity to its founding faith. i travel to [inaudible] for the meeting families to celebrate and support the institutions of [inaudible] and their families at this critical moment in the history of our faith. [applause]
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mr. president, there are citizens -- american catholics are committed to building a society which is truly inclusive regarding their rights of individuals and community and and [inaudible] injustice and discrimination with countless other people of goodwill, they are likewise concerned that efforts to build a just society respect their deepest concerns and the right to religious
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liberty. the freedom reminds one to make us most precious possessions. as my brothers the united states we minds us all to be vigilant precisely as good citizens to defend that freedom from everything that what threaten or compromise it. [applause]
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mr. president, i find the encouraging you are proposing an initiative for reducing air pollution. [applause] accepting the urgency, it seems clear to me also that climate change is a problem we can no longer be left to tour future generations. -- to our future generations. when it comes to the care of our common home, we are living at a critical moment of history. we still have time to make the change needed to bring about a
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sustainable and interest gral government for we know -- interest gra -- integralgovernmw things can change. such change demands on our part a serious and responsibility not only of the kind of the world we maybe leaving to our children, but also to the millions of people living under our system which has [inaudible] our common home has been part of this [inaudible] which cries out to heaven and which today
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powerfully strikes our homes, our cities, our societies. to use a phrase of martin luther king, we can say we have default on our promissory note, and now is the time to honor it. news honor. we know by faith that the creator does not abandon us. he never forsake his loving
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[inaudible] humanity has the ability to all together in our building our common home as christians. we wish to commit ourselves to the conscious responsible care of our common home. mr. president, the efforts which were recently made to mend broken relations and to open new doors to cooperation within our human family represent positives that along the path of reconciliation, justice and freedom.
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i would like all men and women of goodwill in this great nation to support the efforts of the international community to protect the vulnerable in our world. and to stimulate in the world [inaudible] of development. [applause] so that our brothers and sisters everywhere may know the blessings of peace and prosperity which god wish for all his children. mr. president, once again, i thank you for your welcome.
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and i look forward to these days in your country. god bless america. [applause] >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, the st. augustine gospel choir from washington, d.c.
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♪ lord i will lift my eyes to the hills ♪ ♪ knowing my help is coming from you ♪
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♪ you are the source of my strength ♪ ♪ you are the strength of my life ♪ ♪ i lift my hands in total praise to you ♪
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♪ amen, amen, amen, amen, amen ... ♪ [applause]
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>> announcer: mr. president, this conclude the ceremony. [man shouts "we love you pope francis"] martha: a stirring moment by the st. augustine choir. then the end of the ceremony. somebody yelling out from the crowd, we love you, pope francis. the pope spent quite a bit of time discussing the climate change and the protection of god's earth.
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he talked about reducing air pollution. he says it's a problem that can no longer be left to future generations. shepard smith has been listening to the poems and president's comments. shep: it felt like the kind of thing you get on sunday when you are a kid. be good to your neighbors. people who need help, help them. if you see somebody who doesn't have enough, give them something if you have it. take in those who need it. protect the things god gave us. be good stewards. live well and honorably. and do what's right. i am confident because that's how it goes, that people will find fault with this somewhere. i felt like it did me some good. and probably did us all some good on some level. you can disagree with people. we can disagree. but most of that seemed to come
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from a mighty good place, didn't it? martha: it did. what's interesting from president obama is he said i believe discomfort is a blessing. he says he's hang our conscience from it sum were. and that discomfort does shake everybody out of their slumber and thinking about things from this pope's perspective. tell us where you are going to be is afternoon. shep: we'll be right here. we'll be here for a massive mass, the likes of which i'm told this nation and this place have never seen. 25,000 or so people around and about this area to spread the good news. i think to give it more of a point on it. it's probably not my place. i think we'll just have an expression of this pope's
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thoughts and ideas about where this world is, where it's going and where it should be going. he talked about a critical juncture and critical time in the history of our world. and he has a message. he said i want to hear from americans, i look forward to a dialogue. he made it clear from the beginning. we watched tonight cuba and we saw it at the nation's capital. he may chait up with president, by seems more comfortable and seems to be smiling and in a better place when he's speaking with little kids and sharing love along the rope line. we are all the same in the eyes of god. we were all created equal. that's how he wants us to be day in and day out. in words and deeds and everybody -- words and deeds and
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everyday expressions. martha: what an image we are getting of president and mrs. obama waving from the portico. the pope said he will have the honor of addressing congress and he will offer words of encouragement to those who guide our political futures and to adhere to the founding principles of our nation. a fascinating morning and we look forward to seeing you at the cathedral at what is sure to be a stirring mass later this afternoon. bill: he sure loved the choir, pope francis did. jim nicholson the former ambassador to the holy see was knighted for his work. your remarks initially on what you have heard. >> the pope was the pope. he's a very humble, plain,
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simple human being. and he tries to be nothing but that. he came across that way, and i think that's why he's such a beloved person in the world. he truly cares about the people in the world who are suffering and who are poor, and he is urging all of us to do more for those people. and i think that is a wonderful message, and i think it's true, and i think we can all do more. he thankfully did not excoriate our country for its capitalistic system. and he was consistent with his recent encyclical where he emphasized his beliefs about global warming and its effects on what he calls our common home. and he has some prescriptive
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ideas about that which many of us have hesitation over, particularly with respect to the use of fossil fuels to bring the billion plus people who are still in dire poverty out of poverty. but the transseason dent message of this -- but the transcendant message of this man is uplifting and he's a loving simple soul and deserves to be loved. bill: it did not take long for both of them to dive into the issues. the president mentioned the cuban people, immigration and the changing climate. hotlhot of -- the -- the holy fr talked about the poor. and changing climate. but part of main reason he's here is he made a commitment to
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be at the world meeting of families in philadelphia. and he said in his address there, the family is in a critical moment in history. how does he now affect that on this trip? >> he has the potential to help that. this man has a moral megaphone that no other person in the world has. when he speaks, he's heard throughout the world. and he's good at using all the available media outlets there are including social media. so i expect when he goes to philadelphia, he's going to put his arm around the proposition of the importance of the family to civilization and to the future of mankind. that is under assault.
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it is dough deteriorating. that is unasailable fact. the pope is well aware of that. i think he has great potential to try to rebuild the culture of the family both in our country, certainly and in, throughout the world. bill: mr. ambassador, give us a sense too, how the guest list comes about and whether or not, based on your experience at the vatican whether or not something is approved or not approved? you had openly-gay bishop there and transgender activist. there were a couple stories the other day the vatican is not happy about that. does the vatican have the power to say, don't invite them to a ceremony like this? >> the vatican could certainly make that request but the vatican is pretty genteel place. it is overriding factor is love, acceptance, forgiveness and, so
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i would suspect that they were somewhat irritated by that and so were many of us because you wouldn't see the white house, having see come invite the falon gong to the reception with china. it was president insensitive to do that. i think the vatican has been diplomatic and kind about that. noted that there are 15,000 other people there and so forth. i think it was a real incentive on the part of the president and the white house. bill: thank you ambassador. jim nicholson former ambassador to the holy see in washington d.c. thank you for being with us today. >> thank you. martha: let's bring in father jonathan morris, author of the light in the darkness.
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fox news religion cntributor. your thoughts on what we heard at the white house? >> i thought it was remarkable. you know, people are going to parse pope francis's speech, say, why didn't he also talk about abortion? why didn't he talk about gay marriage? but pope prance sis has decided to look for points of encounter. points of communion. points of agreement. doesn't mean that he doesn't believe in those things, rather what can we do together? and i think we saw from the president's speech, i criticized the president plenty on other things. i thought it was very, a classy speech in which he looked for points of encounter with pope francis. martha: that's a very good point. let's talk about some of the things that president obama said. he talked about the situation in the middle east. he said the faithful are in prison and our churches are destroyed. he said people everywhere must be able to live out their faith. so he really went right to that
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issue early on in his comments, father jonathan. >> he did, martha. it is almost like president obama decided to go and talk about the thing that was closest to pope francis's heart. that is the defense of the christians in the middle east. and then it seems that pope francis also went tort heart of the good things that he shares with president obama. and, that actually means something gets done. i find that to be remarkable, pope francis, president obama, trying to find the things they agree on and work together on those things rather than showing off the things they disagree with the other on. martha: yeah. the president also spoke about, he said to the pope, you're shaking us out of our complacency. he said, as i brought up earlier, i believe discomfort is a blessing. and that you have shaken our conscience from sum per and that -- slumber and that does
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provoke feelings on all sides of the political, conservative or liberal spectrum. everybody has been sort of asked the question whether or not they are right in their thinking on many of these issues. >> yeah. you're right, martha. i think the comments of pope francis make more sense and are more digestible by some of his critics here in the united states. i think thoughtful critics who are saying, you know what? he is lefty, he is a liberal. on the plane from cuba he responded to journalist. if you thought i was a lefty, my mistake. that isn't true. that hasn't been explained well. it calmed everyone down, maybe this isn't just about left and right. maybe it is not just about republicans, democrats. maybe there is something more. martha: it is fascinating, i was reading about his years as jesuit priest in the early days in argentina and he was actually
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criticized by his fellow jesuits for not being left enough in some cases. they felt that he was too conservative. >> absolutely. martha: when liberation theology, siding with some of the socialist and communist elements that were working against the oppressors he did not bo that route which is very interesting to look at roots of his thinking that is not a picture we've been given in a lot of ways. >> no. in fact i think a lot of jesuits, jesuits member of a religious order, a large religious order in the united states and around the world. a lot of jesuits were nervous. we were against him. he was against liberation theology. he pushed us to a lost discomfort when he was provincial in buenos aires, in argentina. in the community there is universal love for this man. if he can do that in thes.
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>> you it community, you might have a chance to do it around the world. martha: the way they live is as much like christ as they possibly can. that is what we're seeing played out by this first jesuit pope. interesting to get background on thinking, order and where it all generates from. thank you, father jonathan. bill? >> thank you, martha. bill: right now, we are told that the president and the pope are meeting. the meeting will last some 40 minutes or some it could go longer. perhaps not. we shall see together. when that concludes, by the way vice president joe biden and secretary of state john kerry are meeting with the leader of the vatican at the same time as well. there will be a moment where the pope comes out. there will be a small parade, basically circles the south lawn of the white house around the ellipse, there are thousands, if not tens of thousands of people in and around our nation's capitol there at 4:00 trying to get through security to rush to the curbside to get a picture or
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a shot or a moment when pope francis comes by. you will see a little bit of that when that happens we will certainly bring that to you. but there are other stories to talk about as we push through on this historic morning. in a moment there are major developments in the hillary clinton email story. brand new evidence that suggesting the that story about the second server does not line up with what the state department is saying. we'll tell you what the update is on that and how she is reacting as well. >> marco rubio trying to stay out of the fray with donald trump but will the frontrunner let him off that easy after saying this. >> i think that the most important thing a president will ever do is provide for the national security of our country and i think up to now he hasn't really answered serious questions about national security.
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i needed work done around my house at a fair price.f sure can. so i could get a faulty light switch fixed? yup! or make a backyard pizza oven? oh yeah. i can almost taste it now. tastes like victory. and pepperoni... bill: so we have just been given an update. apparently the oval office meeting has not happened yet. behind those doors in the white house, we should see the holy father and president obama in matter of moments. then they will proceed into the oval office. we'll track every moment of these two men and then where the pope goes next. so stay tuned, keep it right here on "america's newsroom." martha: we'll leave that to you in a moment. the 2016 election news. we'll go back to all of that but there is this to talk about as well. senator marco rubio trading
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punches now with donald trump attacking the republican frontrunner on his foreign policy experience and questioning trump's fitness to serve as commander-in-chief. trump as his way took notice of this and he blasted back on twitter. calling him, marco amnesty rubio were his words. the latest poll, sudden focus on florida senator. look at this number. rubio moving up a little bit in the ranks there. 7.3%, puts him in fourth place in the most recent "real clear politics" with trump at 28.5. he has been holding pattern over last week or two. chris stirewalt, realpolitiks editor. chris, good morning to you. >> good morning to you. >> basically trump takes his moment with each one of these people. as they climb up the ladder he tries to whack them back down. how he is doing in this case? >> donald trump has a big problem right now. it is not marco rubio of the it is ben carson.
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ben carson is being aggressive about islam and united states and muslim president. donald trump is ducking, he is hiding from questions about president's nativity and whether the president is secret muslim and trump does not want to answer those. carson is surging into the space. he is getting more donations. getting more support. looks to me like this, marco rubio offered respectful criticism of donald trump. hoped trump would continue to learn and do better on foreign policy specifics. trump engages with him as he does with other critic. i would say in an attempt to obfuscate, to cover up the current problem that he has which is about ben carson which is about carly fiorina, which is about islam. not marco rubio. martha: which is fascinating it is not really a prominent issue in terms of the burning things on people's minds when you look what voters cares about. you see donald trump laid-back frowned on this issue that makes very difficult for him to run
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away from it at this point. you know, i mean, you wonder, chris, he has to figure out a way to answer this question, whether or not he thinks the president is american and is christian or is something else. you know the president clearly stated those two facts and donald trump has definitely taken issue with them? >> carson is showing him up. it is unfortunate timing at a time when trump who is known for tough talking straightforward, we don't have time for pc trump used to say. carson is at war with pc and it's trump who goes on talk shows and goes on twitter. and ducks this issue. he doesn't want to have this discussion. we saw a clip from cbs news. they did interview with him that will air on "60 minutes." he seems to be okay with the question from guy in the audience who asks about the president's nativity and conspiracy theory and about the president being secret muslim. seems to be okay with the guy's
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question and defends him to some degree but still doesn't answer the underlying point. martha: thank you, chris. more coming up. bill: here is the image we're waiting on. we go back to the white house to capture that, the moment the president and holy father move into the oval office by way of colonnade in the south end of the white house. we have 11,000 plus on the south lawn and they are most part waiting around the gate on the south lawn for the parade that will commence once this meeting concludes. martha: a little bit how the sausage is made here as photographers make their way into the room to step over the wires. we see some historic scenes of presidents and leaders, world leaders walking down this colonnade into the oval office. that is about what we're to witness here. bill: rose garden off to the right. two men about to emerge from that door. so the president meeting with the pope. the vice president and secretary kerry meading with a -- meeting with a leader from the vatican as well at the same time.
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this perhaps could go longer than expected because the arrival at the white house was delayed after pope francis met and really looked to be in no hurry about 9:00 this morning, meeting those outside of his residence, walked out to the driveway greeting them. he likes to reach out and touch them and often times that is how a pope makes his strongest connection. squeeze in a quick break here, just for a moment here, we'll bring you back to washington and the white house as our coverage continues.
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martha: we are waiting for the moment when pope francis and president obama walks together out of those doors to the colonnade and rose barden will be on their left as they walk through there to enter the oval
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office for probably half hour discussion. we're at least half hour behind schedule at this point. so they are sort of taking their time through this process. we'll take you back there when that happens. bill: the pontiff is in no hurry. do not rush me. martha: looks like something is happening here. let's stay with this for a moment here. we know part of this morning will be an exchange of some gifts which is part of this. we know that vice president joe biden and secretary of state john kerry are meeting with some of the top officials of the vatican. so that is going on right now as well. lots of preparations on a very busy and very beautiful morning for all of those 11,000 people who have been there watching from the outside. this is absolutely spectacular day. so they had the benefit of being pretty comfortable out there as they wade through all of this. john allen who covers the pope very closely and has written a biography of him said the pope's sciatic can has been acting up.
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he seems to be a little uncomfortable. limping a tiny bit. it has been a long trip already. he has been in cuba for several days already and he is 78 years old. here they are walking out right now. lots of pictures clicking away there, bill. [inaudible]. [inaudible conversations].
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bill: can't have a prettier day in washington, can you? he is 79. travels with two doctors. when the sciatic can is acting up he has attention very near and interpreter as well. martha: president obama giving him the lay of the land. my office is this way. this is the rose pardonnen. -- garden. they to have a lot in common. they talked a lot about climate change a lot about cuba. they have a moment to sort of spend some time alone to sit down in the comfort of the oval office and talk about where things go from here.
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bill: he is most comfortable in spanish. perhaps italian after that. his english is passible, we are told, but he has been taking a lot of lessons pronounciation prior to this visit but the man you see in the middle is an american. he serves as his translator. apparently he is outstanding. you will get to know him a little bit on this trip as well. you will hear his voice often. there will be four moments, we just heard one, the pope will speak in english. the first was at the white house. tomorrow when he addresses joint meeting of congress. that will be in english as well. at the u.n. on friday, it is spanish. we'll see a translator there. martha: you have to trust your translator if you're the pope. bill: you do. martha: it's a very important job. every word matters a lot. that man has very important job, that priest. president obama meeting as we have said privately with the pope. they will be in the oval office for half an hour, 40 minutes, what we expect. then we'll see him again as he exits the white house of the
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white house has been pretty tight-lipped about that conversation. it is a moment between two world leaders but we do hear reports there could be potentially discussion about hostages being held in iran. we know there was a lot of that. when we talked about whether or not that should have been part of the iran deal that was done and those people are still, those americans, four of them, hostages in iran and the president has said he would like them to be freed and of course we believe that is what he wants. he had criticism way it has been handled so far. speculation perhaps the pope could help. bill: other thing is cuba. we were told on the plane yesterday, shepherd one, that the pope will not mention cuban embargo. congress has control of the decision coming off his visit in havana. so that is coming up as well. politics 2016, we will not abandon that. donald trump is your frontrunner, defending a response to anti-muslim remark from a supporter. what he is saying about religion
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and muslims in a hypothetical trump administration. >> the problem in this country, it is called muslims. we know our current president is one. >> right. >> you know he is not even an american. bert certificates, man.
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bill: pack to the pope in washington in a moment. first "60 minutes" putting donald trump on hot seat asking him questions about his reaction to anti-muslim comments in town hall meeting in new hampshire. trump defending himself in clip before the interview airs a few days from now. >> i don't have to defend president obama. he is not going to defend me. so whether you agree with the man or don't agree, there were people in the audience as you probably noticed did agree with him. >> it was testing moment for a man running for president. you never know when they're coming. >> i don't think so. bill: ed rollins, campaign manager for ronald reagan in 1984.
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joe trippi campaign manager for howard dean in 2004. both fox news contributors. how are you doing. you're in the middle of all the pope coverage, okay. you have to be really, really good, ed. you too, joe, okay? >> ironic move from most powerful humble men in the world to the pope, talk about one of the most egotistical men in the world. that is fox full coverage. bill: on that, how do you think trump is handling this? he did not back down. he stuck to the story. >> he never backs down. he is a tough guy. he is basically very glib. his issue long term there is no substance. to a certain extent he gets distracted by sidebar things. throws out taunts to his opponents. that becomes part of the garbage that we ended up discussing here. if you really want to talk about substance, which we wan as a country, to hear from potential future leaders, he is very weak in this point in time. that is why i think he is getting diminished somewhat in the polls. bill: he probably would say, hey, you're asking me about it?
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and they did. >> critical thing is, a lot of things you get asked about, but most of these things he raised himself. he could have easily cut that off to say that -- president is leader of this country. he said he is christian. it is inappropriate question. let's move on. talk about other things. bill: joe? >> yeah. look, i think the problem here is that, is that, a large number of the people who follow trump believe this about the president. and so it is in his interests to not tell them they're wrong. he is actually playing to that. part of that what has gotten him in the lead. same thing with the position on immigration. deport all 11 million, bill. build a wall. everything he does is actually jelling -- by the way, there are independents and democrats who believe some of these things too. i'm not saying that but a big, pretty sizable, whether it is 25, 30% of the republican
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primary vote sort of has these same views. and what is interesting -- bill: sorry, joe. bring it back to donald trump here. scott pelley called the guy a bigot. trump said, you don't know that. >> bill, what i'm saying is, so, asking trump these questions, he is just, he is going to keep pushing back because that helps him. the real issue is, you know, is, anybody else going to step up in the party and challenge trump on these things. that is what i'm saying. bill: ed, does anyone do that? >> absolutely. this is game. i've been doing the game for 50 years. it is about addition. you add people to your team. add people to your coalitions. when you're out calling people names whether your own side others you're driving people away. so far donald trump has offended hispanic voters. he is now offended muslim voters. no clarity so what he is saying. obviously there is a small base in our party isn't very happy
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about it but i would argue very strenuously, serious people running for president will talk about issues and they will force him to talk about issues or he will get diminished. bill: to both of you, club for growth, they're apparently cracking on trim pretty hard. on screen for out viewers. trump advocated for higher taxes numerous times for many years. do we have it or not i will read it? wall street bailout and expanded government powers that take private property. trump's own statements prove our ads are accurate. end quote. on that point, joe, he is pushing back hard. >> he will keep pushing back hard. that is my point. the more he pushes back the more his voight coalesces around him and hardens. i agree with ed. the problem for him how does he expand beyond any of this the name-calling? it may get him to where he is. it is a small but not majority of the party at all. he is getting now into fights
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with pillars within the party or groups within the party that actually have some standing. it will be interesting -- i don't think he grows either but -- bill: right on. talk about growth, here's your massive potential for growth, gentlemen. what a summer it has been as we move into fall. slight dip toward the end. trump said other day himself it is a long battle and it's a long fight. gentlemen, thanks to both of you. back to your humbleselves you go. thank you, ed. thank you, joe. >> first time either one of us accused of that. bill: you're absolved. martha: go back to the white house where the president is meeting with pope francis. we're about to get a moment between the two men empty oval office. we saw them obviously on the south lawn this morning in a beautiful ceremony to welcome the pope to the white house. his first trip to the united states as we mentioned. we saw cameras going in. we talked about that. they're in the room.
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cameras, pope francis and president. we're about to see a little bit of what happened in those moments in the oval office because it has been fed in. we'll show that so you in just a moment. take a look. here it is as they sit in the familiar spot. let's listen to the pope and the president. >> what is the most important issue you will discuss? >> i was just commenting that i noticed all of you are much better based than usual. [inaudible] >> thank you, everybody. >> thanks, guys. martha: just a moment with the cameras in there. the president saying that the press is much better based than usual. i'm sure everybody is wearing their jacket and tie in there today, looking spiffy as well. so this is a moment for them to sit down. we'll hear a little more later perhaps what they talk about but
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this is their private part of the day when the two men get together to discuss their thoughts on the world and where we go from here. bill: parade comes up in couple minutes here. we'll see this throughout the day. there are events throughout washington, d.c. we'll take you through them, right? martha: congress tomorrow, in the morning which pope mentioned earlier in his comments. bill: in the meantime, hillary clinton finally taking a stance on keystone. apparently changing her tune. our panel will debate that. what she is saying in a moment and how she explains this now. >> i think it is imperative that we we look at the key step pipeline what i believe it is, a distraction from the important work we have to do to combat climate change.
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martha: pause here for a moment as hillary clinton takes the stand on controversial keystone pipeline month after avoiding
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the issue. back in 2010 she said she sported the project. listen to what she said yesterday. >> i think it is imperative that we look at the keystone pipeline as what i believe it is, a distraction from the important work we have to do to combat climate change and unfortunately, from my perspective, one that interferes with our ability to move forward to deal with all of the other issues. therefore i oppose it. martha: there you go. that came late yesterday afternoon. kevin mccullough, talk show host with salem media group, author of, no he can't, columnist for julie roginsky, fox news contributor, former political advisor to senator frank lautenberg. that tripped off her tongue. she wanted to express the deep feelings about the keystone pipeline. your reaction. >> i don't know that she ever said she supported it in the past. i think she said, dirty oil from
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canada, versus being dependent on dirty oil from the middle east. i'm glad she took a position. this is longer than gestation period for an elephant. we've been waiting for this position to come forward. glad it is finally here. the pope bailed her out big time. came out with the speech at the white house. need to address climate change. it is urgent. martha: that is probably what he had in mind, do you think? no question. >> she probably had it in mind knowing he would address this. so she timed this exactly when the pope's plane enroute from cuba or landed because she would bury the lead because of the pope. martha: very interesting timing. look at what she said in 2010. this is most recent comment about this whole thing. >> we have not yet signed off on it, but we are in inclined to do so and we are for several reasons going back to unwith your original questions, we're either going to be dependent on dirty oil from the gulf or
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dependent on dirty oil from canada. martha: kevin. >> i'm not sure that oil is all that dirty. it is in abundance and got a lot to be used and can help middle class people that need energy in our country. i think one thing that is interesting is, this kind of pits her in the democratic race at least, one wing against another. the environmentals who see is siding with, saying climate change is more important who i think are losing influence within the party versus labor section because unions really want the pipeline to happen. so it is an interesting position to take especially as the election draws near. >> can i make a point about that? you notice her taking much stronger stance on climate change of public issues. of all issues climate change is up there. that means to me somebody did polling that climate change is important to the democratic base. that is why she is coming out against keystone pipeline. bernie sanders is pressing her from the left. he is big opponent. martha: i want to get a quick thought on something else.
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she talked about the emails just sort of being a very standard request that she got. she said all the former secretaries of state got the same request. we turned everything over. that is kind of way she couched it but now she has john kirby, the spokesperson from the state department saying no, this was prompted by the benghazi investigation. we all realized hey, we don't have much of an email trail on former secretary of state. we ought to call her up to find out where this is coming from. pulling on string of benghazi investigation what led to the revelation. this is becoming more clear. how troublesome is that for her? >> this adds to the idea what she said didn't match with what other people, not even republicans but now people of the administration are saying was different. and you couple that with the fbi releasing what they said late yesterday in terms of now they can probably reconstitute all the emails. her highest negative is her untrustworthiness with the american people. if she wants to win this election, she has got to be a little more transparent on some of these things. i don't know at this stage she
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can afford to do it. martha: they're not rushing to her defense at the state department. it is pretty clear. i wonder what that spells for joe biden. >> white house for sure. >> you raise a good point. she needs to take this off the take. i'm not sure how she will do it but as you said, kevin pointed out, numbers are not going in the right direction for her in trustworthiness. began partially because of this and needs to address it with day one. of concern to me and a lot of other democrats. martha: thank you both. great to have you boeing here today. thank you very much. bill: so in a moment we'll see a brief parade with the pope. stay tuned for that. later you have mass for 30,000. what are you doing on wednesday afternoon. we'll have it for you live here. intel analysts say this man protected usama bin laden. who is he? why was he released from gitmo? so you're a small business expert from at&t? yeah, give me a problem and i've got the solution. well, we have 30 years of customer records. our cloud can keep them safe and accessible anywhere. my drivers don't have time to
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>> eight minutes away on "happening now." continuing coverage of pope francis in america. we'll talk about the cannonnization and getting politics roiling catholics in america. new polling showing joe biden surging to number two among democrats. he is not even in the race. hillary clinton holding on to the her lead. she is getting a run for her money. next on "happening now." bill: jon, thank you. pentagon releasing a gitmo detainee likely a bodyguard for usama bin laden. he returned to saudi arabia after review panel determined he was no longer a threat, no longer necessary to detain him. ric grenell, advisor to four ambassadors to the u.n. fox news contributor. goes back to saudi arabia. announcement came, almost
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simultaneously as the pope's plane landed outside of washington, d.c. did you pick up on that? >> yeah, i did. and you know, most of the washington, d.c. media didn't and they're distracted by the pope. so kudos to you, bill and to your producers catching the story and for highlighting it. it is extremely important story. what happened is that the white house is playing politics. they're releasing this information about the detainee going back to saudi arabia, right when most of the media are looking at the pope, hoping that they're distracted. this is an important story because the normal process for releasing detainees out of gitmo is that six agencies, six national security agencies of the united states government must sign off whether or not this person is reformed, whether or not this person can go back to their home country, and whether or not the home country
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actually has put in place the proper security procedures to watch them so that they don't go back on to the terrorist battlefield. what has happened in this particular instance, is that they, the white house has created this special committee because all six national security agencies said this individual should not go back. he is a threat to our u.s. national security. but the special committee of appointed individuals decided to overrule all six national security agencies. they are placing this guy back, and they are hoping that he is changed. and i think, that means we have completely moved this from a national security issue to a political issue. bill: he has nephew too at gitmo and apparently released also. review board said this, rick to you are you are your point, considered detainee's well-established family, willingness to support him on
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his return, prior success of rehabilitation and former guantanamo detainee. ash carter is under a lot of pressure. the president wants to close gitmo. 16 months left. about the 114 detainees still there. will he? >> yep. look, ash carter has been under pressure from the moment he took the job as secretary of defense. he has tried to say no, i don't want to close it. there was a report this summer that during a national security meeting susan rice really pushed ash carter to do something about closing gitmo and to begin to lean forward on individuals so that we could start to detangle what's happening in gitmo. i think that it is really important to highlight. this is no longer a national security issue. this is hardcore political issue for susan rice and for barack obama and they're pressuring our secretary of defense to act politically. bill: he is back home now.
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ric grenell, thank you for your reaction there. los angeles. thanks for be patient. we'll talk again soon. martha. martha: a day of prayer, pageantry and big parades and politics underlying perhaps as everybody tries to pick apart what is said here and there. that was one of the most beautiful moments from the morning, waving from the white house, the pope with the president and first lady where he conducts his first visit to our country and our nation's capitol. our continuing coverage straight ahead. was almost always on my . thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven't worked well enough. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened;
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>> famous for lines such as you can observe a lot by watching and when you come to a fork in the road, go to it. and it ain't over till it is over. lost at the age of 90. history unfolding in the nation as the leader of the catholic church is in washington, d.c. and he is set to meet with leaders and take part in the service there at the cathedral. >> the president met thousands of fans welcoming the pope. the pope is on american soil for


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